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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 09:53 PM
I have absolutely no problem with vulching. I believe it is a perfectly legit tactic used by every military in the 2nd World War. Take out the enemy when they can do the least damage. Besides, Every map I have ever played in Mp has had more than one airfield, and NO team I have played against was ever able to successfully vulch all of the airfields at once. The same people that are craving 100% realism are griping about how unfair it is they can't get to a decent altitude to fight. That's the way it happened and personally I find it exciting when I am trying to scramble from a ground attack plane and make him eat some lead. Stuka's and Tb-3's arn't in mp because they make good dogfighters! If there is one thing I have noticed about this game is there are a ton of whiners who I don't think they could enjoy the game even if it was perfect.

eh-hem... Anyways, I would like to introduce myself.(not really smart to start by a rant eh?) Now, back to eating the deck.

XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 09:53 PM
I have absolutely no problem with vulching. I believe it is a perfectly legit tactic used by every military in the 2nd World War. Take out the enemy when they can do the least damage. Besides, Every map I have ever played in Mp has had more than one airfield, and NO team I have played against was ever able to successfully vulch all of the airfields at once. The same people that are craving 100% realism are griping about how unfair it is they can't get to a decent altitude to fight. That's the way it happened and personally I find it exciting when I am trying to scramble from a ground attack plane and make him eat some lead. Stuka's and Tb-3's arn't in mp because they make good dogfighters! If there is one thing I have noticed about this game is there are a ton of whiners who I don't think they could enjoy the game even if it was perfect.

eh-hem... Anyways, I would like to introduce myself.(not really smart to start by a rant eh?) Now, back to eating the deck.

XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 09:59 PM
The problem is alot of people have downloaded this program that records their stats. So they are just crying because their stats are getting ruined.

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06-08-2003, 10:09 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:33 PM
Geshausen wrote:
- I have absolutely no problem with vulching.


I too, agree with straffing fliers on the ground. Tis an interessting experience. It's just one more delemma that bring you into the game....a bit of reality.

When the enemy is near and you are scrambling to get airbourne,
doesn't the "PUCKER FACTOR" enter the picture ?!?! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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I read a lot and reply little.
My Grandad told me, in days of yore, "Chonnie, you will learn much listening and very little running your mouth."

Well, VULCHING...is such a strange word....ugg.
Sounds like or gives me a mental picture of barfing, puking, or even having "the trots...the quick step...diarea...the s..ts...."
Take your pick....there's gotta be a better word than VULCHING, eh ?!!?

[seems like VULCHING is a word that should be filtered just like S..TS is above.]....



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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:35 PM
Geshausen wrote:
-- Now, back to eating the deck.
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ha ha /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:39 PM
"If there is one thing I have noticed about this game is there are a ton of whiners who I don't think they could enjoy the game even if it was perfect."


Possably the most intelligent sentence, i've read on these forums in a very loooong while.

XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:45 PM
pishbeek wrote:
- "If there is one thing I have noticed about this
- game is there are a ton of whiners who I don't think
- they could enjoy the game even if it was perfect."
-
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- Possably the most intelligent sentence, i've read on
- these forums in a very loooong while.
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Lmao, Funny how "possably" and "intelligent" make it into the same sentence!

Just struck me funny, Thats all.





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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:48 PM
If your talking about a realistic mission. Then strafing a base is fine.

If your talking about an unrealistic, Air Quake, furball Df server. It's lame

Don't confuse the two.

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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:52 PM
here is a simple idea, If it is like airquake, don't make people start on the airfields, make them start at a certain altitude! Vulching is gone!

So... this is my signiture. Better not screw it up, people might think I'm stupid. Aww sonofawench!!!! I Screwed it up again!

XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:56 PM
As if they arn't arcade enough. You want to leave off the takeoff/landings?

Here's a better idea. Let the guy take off, and fight him in the air. What's the challenge of shooting him on the ground?

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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 10:59 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- If your talking about a realistic mission. Then
- strafing a base is fine.
-
- If your talking about an unrealistic, Air Quake,
- furball Df server. It's lame
-
-
- Don't confuse the two.
-
-

Funny, I just think the opposite. Anyways, I'll explain. It is really quite lame to get a victory in a difficult flying plane like the P47 and get your A$$ whiped when you have touched the runway and so, reducing the 100 points to 10.

Furthermore, it can be quite frustrating to spawn on the flightline, explode into a million pieces, wait for the debris to clear (in FR servers where I ussually go, there is only one airfield for each side) try to get into the air again, explode again, by the same guy,

Then you wait a little with hitting refly and hoping the vulchers goes away, because of empty ammo boxes, or gets shot down.

Anyways, with the "Air quake" you just pick another airfield or even the other side and go flying around.

I think vulching with bombs and rockets is OK because most planes have a very limited supply of those kind of munitions. and it is quite skillful if you make a kill with a bomb or a rocket.

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XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 11:03 PM
What is the difference, Everyone can get into the air, its not that hard(usually). Starting out everyone at the same altitude is perfectly fair for everyone if your going to play an arcade like game. I don't want to start a flame war, It's just so simple how the vulcing issue could be fixed in an arcade like game.

So... this is my signiture. Better not screw it up, people might think I'm stupid. Aww sonofawench!!!! I Screwed it up again!

XyZspineZyX
06-08-2003, 11:05 PM
Fine. Start in the air, if it will stop the vulchers.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 12:32 AM
Ok, he can outfight any opponent in the virtual skies, yet he is unable to take off or land under fire. I dont get it.

Seriously, so many servers now have a bazillion flak batteries on each airfield and then go on to say that vulching is not allowed. If you can hang out over an airfield long enough to put some bullets in some bad guys, more power to you. The whole point of this game allowing takeoff and landing while online kind of encourages this dont you think.

And as far as the 'airquake' stuff. How about all those coops that are hosted by 10 squad mates flying a 109 or LA7 and make you jump into a mig3 to defend a group of LI2's

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 12:46 AM
thats what ive been saying last vulch debate, if u dont want vulching have airstart, if u dont allow vulching but have take off and landing theres sumthing wrong in your head, there is no point to dissalowwing vulching if u have take offs and landings thats why the options there.

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Hawgdog
06-09-2003, 12:56 AM
Vulching: (adj) from the term Vulture, 1)a large scavening bird with little or no skills hunting or finding prey on its own. i.e. 2)~therefore circles endlessly over an area hoping to find a victim. 3)Hovering over an enemy base to strafe re-spawns, the easiest of all victims. Then claiming "this is the way real wars were" or equal nonsense. Bad sportsmanship at the very best, noob tactic at the worst.

Strafing (v) not to be confused with "vulching". This is a real war tactic. In its purest form, and least likely to get you booted from a game, is to attack an enemy airbase at the highest speed possible, staying as low as possible to avoid AAA, then hammering a sitting, landing or taking off plane and scooting thus, away even faster. Strike with precision and get back to laugh about it. One of surest ways to make friends is to chase a plane that just shot your mate down all the way back to his base and pound him as he lands. This will cause great excitement on your team and cries of "foul, I had my wheels down" from the opposing side. LOL, only a fool thinks that wheels down is home free and safe.

Word of advice, dont land under fire, or with enemy present. Scamper off to a nuetral base or circle and wait for AAA or someone to kill the offending mosquito
Oh, and if you get someone on your six for more than 20 seconds and they dont fire..ignore them, they are probably out of ammo and just freaking you out until their mates arrive.



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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 01:04 AM
Buzz..I agree with you. I left a server last night because of a vulcher jsut waiting for someone to spawn. I barely had my engine started when i was vulched. This happened 3 times in a row. You could see the plane jsut running low over the field each time waiting.


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BuzzU wrote:
- As if they arn't arcade enough. You want to leave
- off the takeoff/landings?
-
- Here's a better idea. Let the guy take off, and
- fight him in the air. What's the challenge of
- shooting him on the ground?
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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 03:15 AM
Hawgdog wrote:
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- Strafing (v) not to be confused with "vulching".

Sadly there seem to be too many online players who are unable to unwilling to make this distinction, and therefore we who make low-level high speed strafing runs on enemy AFs in ground attack AC get lumped in with the n00bs in Hurris circling around looking for spawning AC. Where's the ACLU when I need them??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 03:25 AM
I frequnetly host and I allow vulcing. It is a legit tactic. I personnaly do not do it. My servers only have one blue and one red base, but they are both very heavily defended by flak. Vulchers are doing so at their own risk.


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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 03:34 AM
-


FG-56th_Lamb wrote:
- Buzz..I agree with you. I left a server last night
- because of a vulcher jsut waiting for someone to
- spawn. I barely had my engine started when i was
- vulched. This happened 3 times in a row. You could
- see the plane jsut running low over the field each
- time waiting.
-
- BuzzU wrote:
-- As if they arn't arcade enough. You want to leave
-- off the takeoff/landings?
--
-- Here's a better idea. Let the guy take off, and
-- fight him in the air. What's the challenge of
-- shooting him on the ground?
--
--

I dont have a problem getting in the air quickly u should practise more, and buzz what differnce dose it make taking out takeoffs and landings or having no vulch rules both make the game just as arcade.


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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 03:37 AM
It wasn't my idea. I wouldn't play on the server anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 03:44 AM
I only get ticked off by vulching when I'm in a server posted as forbidding vulching. Sure as ka-ka stinks, some loser who can't kill me in a fight will pounce on me as I'm landing or taxiing to take off.

And there ain't a better way for them to announce that they're a complete loser who can't down a plane any other way.

On vulching allowed servers, I've been hammered by Il-2's, Stukas, and fighter-bombers and never griped a bit. I've done it, too!

Best thing in DF is to allow multiple airbases so the other side doesn't know which one to camp over and reasonable AA.

Of course, I've seen guys in Coops overfly me as I landed my wounded plane at my home base. And there ain't a better way for them to announce that they're a class act by doing so!

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06-09-2003, 04:00 AM
I am a ground attack (vulching) pilot at heart. That's why I bought a sim titled "IL2 Sturmovik". To make ground attacks.

Greed is what gives vulching its bad name. Circling over an airstrip watching for spawners is about as low as it gets.

On the other hand, making a couple of ground kills in a Stuka or IL2 (or a fighter using bombs) takes some skill, especially if you want to make it home to collect your points.

My usually practice is to make two passes over the airstrip I'm targeting, then go home. Pilots in fighters usually RTB after a kill for the points, so should a ground attack player. And I try not to make an 'bad guy' out of myself while doing it.

Yes, I think vulching can be a fun part of the game. And I do it myself often, in a Stuka, IL2, (or fighter with bombs only, no straffing). Last night I scored nearly 1000 points straffing in a Stuka G (even a couple of planes I shot from the skies, what a blast with those cannons /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). One of the most fun online plays I've had in a while.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 04:58 AM
This whole "vulching vs. strafing" thing reminds me of a point that comes up in first-person multiplay a lot: "spawncamping vs. camping".

Many people whine about camping, but I feel it is a perfectly legit tactic and the only people who complain are the sore losers.

Spawncamping is just idiotic and displays a lack of skill or morality.

If I follow this correctly, "vulching" is basically flightsim spawncamping. Strafing should be just fine.

Gee, I love that word "vulching". It has such a "tossing-your-cookies" sound to it. I have to incorporate it into my everyday vocabulary!

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 05:00 AM
BuzzU wrote:
As if they arn't arcade enough. You want to leave
off the takeoff/landings? Here's a better idea. Let the guy take off, and fight him in the air. What's the challenge of shooting him on the ground?


Not challenging. Realistic.


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Hawgdog
06-09-2003, 05:03 AM
MIG7 wrote:
- Sadly there seem to be too many online players who
- are unable to unwilling to make this distinction,
- and therefore we who make low-level high speed
- strafing runs on enemy AFs in ground attack AC get
- lumped in with the n00bs in Hurris circling around
- looking for spawning AC.


Yup, not all enemy base attacks are noob inspired, however I do really dig the hurri with those cannons.
Man, I understand the new patch is going to "fix" it, but for now, its a tough serious little plane to hammer in, sort of slow and cant climb too well, but it will protect your base as well as hammer the other AC

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06-09-2003, 05:08 AM
*yawn*


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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 05:11 AM
Ha ha! True, that!

I still like that word, though.

"Mom, Jimmy just vulched all over the carpet!" or, "Stop the car, I'm gonna vulch!"

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 07:04 AM
EmpireRuler13

I have to repeat myself,because you don't read all the posts.

What;s realistic about an easy setting DF server? Why have one thing realistic, when the rest of it is just Air Quake?

I should know by now to stay out of this kind of thread. Color me gone.

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06-09-2003, 09:09 AM
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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:18 AM
WHY DO PPL VULTCH ?? its because they are after a ego stroke by destroying a plane online ... its mainly done by useless pilots who cant dogfight ... i mean why else vultch ?? they want to get a kill but they are too useless to get one in a fair fight so they have to get you when your defenceless

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:26 AM
i play for the fights ... why shoot ppl on the ground ? it spoils their fun & theres no skill in it ... the most fun online in a DF room is the air combat , this game isnt real war , we are not out to win any war ... if you vultch you are either a useless pilot or a bad sport about online play . nobody like to get blowen up on the ground , theres no fun in it ... the fun comes from aireal combat , i mean its so lame for a person to shoot another guy when he isnt fighting you ... you are proving nothing except you can be a low-life

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:00 AM
Oh I'll call the



Waaaambulance!


For You. BOOHOOHOO!


I vulch to try and recover points that the vulche just took by killing my team mate. I never vulch when they are parked only when moving. So if your off the apron you are a target, expessially if I know you are landing after killing one of mine.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:05 AM
why do ppl vulch let me see to p i s s ppl like you off the ppl who cant fly are the ones who b i t c h about it so go and cry me a river you sniviling cry baby waaaaaaaaa i want my momy you cry baby go and cry in one of the othre half million posts on vulching


HERE THIS IS FOR YOU

BOOOOOOOOO F U C K I N G WHOOOOOOOO

BIZNATCH

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Message Edited on 06/09/0303:18AM by Mad_Cipher

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:08 AM
one of yours ?? 99.9% of the ppl online are strangers , you are never always blue/red.... i dont like to vultch ppl cause it seems to be a real lame thing to do ... the challenge of online gameplay is in testing yourself against others ... id rather loose a hard ,long , tense fight than be getting easy kills ... the ppl who vultch are ego jockys ... they need to destroy others to make themselves feel good ...

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:14 AM
and in all actuality the game is supposed to based partialy on reality and reality you got shot on the ground so if you dont like it then dont play online because if you are on the ground you are fair play because in real life there are no second chances so eat me

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:18 AM
my take on it is as follows:

1. I think that, in terms of 'realism', yes it is a valid tactic.

2. I _never_ do it myself, I think that people who indulge in it do it because a slow, low and just taken off aircraft is an easy challenge and is probably representative of their poor flying and dog-fighting abilities.

3. This was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt online last night. The team I was on, red team, was outnumbered quite considerably by the blue team - I think 9 vs. 4 was the number at one point. My friend and I exclusively fly Hurricanes and we were notching up kills quite nicely once airborne, 12 kills vs. 3 killed. The blue team decided a far more productive tactic was to attack us whilst taking off or on the taxi-way.

You are correct in saying that you can simply move to another airfield, which is fine, but I think vulchers are simply not able to cut it when it comes to a proper challenge so they take the easy option.

ta,
Matt.



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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:19 AM
if your useless in the air then Vultch ... your ego will fell better

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:21 AM
what ever you are just trying to hot box yourself mister im such a great pilot and to reiterate my statement the ones that cant fly are the ones who b i t c h about it so further more if you dont like it then dont fly with vulchers that solves a big problem right there simple right so quite b i t c h i n and play losers are crybabies and im hearing alot of crying going on in this forum

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:24 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- one of yours ?? 99.9% of the ppl online are
- strangers , you are never always blue/red.... i dont
- like to vultch ppl cause it seems to be a real lame
- thing to do ... the challenge of online gameplay is
- in testing yourself against others ... id rather
- loose a hard ,long , tense fight than be getting
- easy kills ... the ppl who vultch are ego jockys ...
- they need to destroy others to make themselves feel
- good ...
-
-

Well you see there, you said it I fly with people I know most of the time. And when not I try and fly as a team with what ever color I am at the time. Most of the time I fly full real, and those that do, usually like vulching.

Vulching is lame your right, with tags on, unless your using it as a strafing tactic one pass and out of there. I don't hover, thats stupid, and lame. No matter what level of realism your on.





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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:27 AM
Mad_Cipher wrote:
- what ever you are just trying to hot box yourself
- mister im such a great pilot and to reiterate my
- statement the ones that cant fly are the ones who b
- i t c h about it so further more if you dont like it
- then dont fly with vulchers that solves a big
- problem right there simple right so quite b i t c h
- i n and play losers are crybabies and im hearing
- alot of crying going on in this forum
-

You write the longest sentences I've ever seen. Good job!

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:30 AM
thank you no time for punctuation i dont get paid to do that so i just threw them out the window you know teachers lie so why listen to them they lied to us for 13 years of our lives lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:36 AM
errr i didnt allude to my own abilitys cipher ... if you complain about vultching doesnt make you a bad pilot either just that you would rather have air combat .... im not talking about bases being bombed i mean getting shot when yur just touching down or just taking off .... 9 /10 times you can kill doing that ... it dont prove anything except your good at spoiling another persons fun online . we aint at war & there isnt any need for it ... i mean they are called Dog fight rooms arnt they ?? in the Dog Fight lobby ??

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:40 AM
well you fit in with the catagory then dont you losers are cry babies and what are you doing crying like a baby i can take and i can dish it out the only diff is i dont cry like a baby when some one gets the best of me



mommy he shot me on the ground instead of in the
air whaaaaa cry about it why dont you

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:48 AM
i get killed online & i dont complain about it , if you dont want to be shot at dont play online & dont own a game like FB .. but this is a forum on Vultching ... if you read some opionion you dont like , then dont come back to the forums at il2sturmovik.com , calling me a crybaby shows your willing to namecall... how much do you do it in game rooms ??

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:57 AM
hey dumb azz read the forum title it is called what i think as far as vulching is concerned so maybe some one needs to learn how to read so blow me biznatch you cry baby



does the poor little baby need his sippie cup and a
boober you cry baby boooowhoooo whaaaaaaaa cry some
more

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 10:59 AM
i dont call names that much but when some crys about something you bet there going to get dogged about it and i mostly play with friends and my m8s and if some one starts crying well he gets dogged out just like in real life so go and bug some one else

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:02 AM
in other words you spew abuse at people who dont play the same way as you , there are a lot of those online

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:04 AM
no just at whining little biznatches like you who just cant stop crying like some one pizzed in your milk

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:12 AM
err saying that vultching is done by ppl of low ability aint whining . a whine or whinge is a complaint , what i typed was a statement

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:14 AM
no i believe you are complaining yes a 10 to 1 vote says your whining because you are a whinner and that is a fact cry baby lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:16 AM
& i want a Spitfire & a Corsair in FB too

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:17 AM
ya while were whining i want naked stewards who serve fresh milk while im up there to lol fresh from the tap lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:19 AM
just another sad example of a serious alcohol problem.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 11:20 AM
no i want milk not alcohol straight fromt he tap the nipple tap lol and then she can recycle it lol a viscious cycle

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 12:48 PM
i find it funny the people that call vulching a no skill tatic for ego ppl etc, what planes are tehy flying, im betting on a la7, a yak3 a BC yak or a hurricane, they think they are great in the air and cant cut it when their uber plane is shot up on the ground because they arnt any good because they cant even take off quickly. Ill shoot up a guy on the ground if theres nothing else for me to do, if its a la7 even better Y not because of ego not for points i wont bother to collect them, because i want to, and when they explode in rage its even better. Like the time in FR i found a 401 climbing away from his base shot off his tail and bam he went nuts its the best part. If u dont want vulching air start nuff said its that simple

AIR START PEOPLE HOW THICK ARE YOU!

There are things like the p47 which are harder shooting down on the ground than the air, if you fly a la7 or other considered uber plane you cant use the no skill argument.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 01:01 PM
It would be the best to change scoring system. When you destroy plane on ground, you dont't get points. In WWII there was no reward for destroying ground aircraft...

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 02:49 PM
People who say I vulch because of points, they are completely wrong. I have not checked my points ever since buying this game(except in sp). I don't even know, nor care how to check them. I play this game for enjoyment, not stats. When I played some of my FPS's like that, and as soon as I did, all the wonder and excitment of playing disapeered. People, its a game, you can fix vulching easily, Just air start, or make your own server and boot whoever the heck you want! This is just getting childish.

So... this is my signiture. Better not screw it up, people might think I'm stupid. Aww sonofawench!!!! I Screwed it up again!

XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 04:03 PM
Some Guy wrote:

- If u dont want vulching air start nuff said its that simple

- AIR START PEOPLE HOW THICK ARE YOU!

Some people don't like vulching due to the fact we see a lot of new pilots being vulched and complaining, and also a lot of new pilots vulching. Due to the fact I don't like seeing anyone have a bad time I don't allow vulching. I just want everyone to have a good time, and I don't use airstart due to the fact that doing this, makes it so that if u have alt advantage, after afew dogfights the enemy respawns above u. which is kinda creepy.

Regardless its not that hard to give a warning, then if they continue vulching to boot them.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 04:28 PM
Wow, impassioned subject! It is simple. Generally it is stated in the game info if vulching is allowed or not. If not, I make sure to inquire once in the game. If so, I vulch. If not, I don't. Personally I see nothing wrong with it as this is a "war" game and strafing was done where and when it could during the war. Pilots who do not agree with vulching should stay out of games that it is allowed so that the useless name calling like in this forum doesn't occur. Frankly, and perhaps I am a masochist, there is nothing as thrilling as trying to take off with the knowledge there is a predator aircraft lurking over the airstrip! I try to wait until the attacking aircraft roars overhead then slam the throttles forward. There is nothing as rewarding as spoiling the vulching pilot's shot still with my gear down and then surviving to turn the tables on him. Oh mama! What a rush!

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 04:37 PM
Oh man, there was something wicked in that pizza I had last night! I feel like I could vulch any second! Oh no, too late!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 05:13 PM
Mad_Cipher

I lost all respect for your squad, if they let you in. You act like a 12 year old. Or are you 12?

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 06:35 PM
Should I get involved in this (thinking)?
Should I enlighten the ignorant?
Is it really worth my time?
We're closing in on maybe 20 threads that involve me enlightening Billy Joe Bob.
Another thread that will seep into the bowels of hell only so ignorance may spawn once again.
If only the Vulch whiners would do us all a favor and read, it's fundamental.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 06:44 PM
A newbies thoughts:

If the man from Del Monte say no vulch. Me no vulch.

If the man from Del Monte say vulch. Me vulch.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 06:55 PM
Holy crap...this lil turd sure says a lot eh?

I'm with Gemini.

1v1's can usually zip up little flapping jaws.

Vultching is indicative of a skilless flyer?

Now that is rich.

How will this theory stand-up to the multitude of real life pilots that frequent this forum and fly this sim?

Somebody needs to go back to the ghost recon forums where everyone is a Marine Sniper / Navy Seal vet.


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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 07:01 PM
Shooting off in any direction across runways to take off, so you don't get vulched. Is realistic?

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 07:22 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Shooting off in any direction across runways to take
- off, so you don't get vulched. Is realistic?


Actually you're better off taxiing. Vulchers swoop down in a usually straight line. If you take-off in a straight line you're toast. Make as many turns as possible during take-off and it'll increase your chances of living. I try to point towards the vulcher, for one, to get a chance at a head-on shot, and for two, he'll need to turn around to make his next pass.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 07:33 PM
That wasn't my point. I always use the runway. I remember being on a vulch server once, and coming in for a landing, and some clown comes flying across the runway to wipe me out.

Vulching may be realistic, but it makes other things happen on the server that arn't realistic.

As i've already pointed out already. DF servers arn't realistic, so why use the "vulching is realistic" argument?

I look at it as a sucker punch. Legal, but kind of lame.

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 08:02 PM
Who do I root for, the anti- vulcher or the one I can't understand....decisions decisions....

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 08:02 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- That wasn't my point. I always use the runway. I
- remember being on a vulch server once, and coming in
- for a landing, and some clown comes flying across
- the runway to wipe me out.
-
- Vulching may be realistic, but it makes other
- things happen on the server that arn't realistic.
-
-
- As i've already pointed out already. DF servers
- arn't realistic, so why use the "vulching is
- realistic" argument?
-
-
- I look at it as a sucker punch. Legal, but kind of lame.



I see your point. I was just pointing out a little future strategy for those who have a similar problem. Also if you tell people to use the middle lane for landing and outside lanes for take-off, it makes things easier (where available).

My pro-vulching arguments have never been generalized and tend to point out the benefits of allowing it, all the while I keep my mind open to both sides. I feel confidant that I can debate this topic with anyone and have a good chance of coming out with progress in hand. The problem is the Billy Bob's (WUAF_Badsight) who come in to spout a few words of blatant ignorance with their eyes and ears closed. I'd be happy to debate the points or simply "step outside" for a 1v1 shootout.





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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 08:18 PM
Mad Cipher please don't argue for Pro-vulchers anymore. You're making us look bad and you lack tact.
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06-09-2003, 09:07 PM
Ok, where to start. First ignore Mad Cipher's comments and let's get down to the real issue. Scanning through your posts of redundancy, I'll answer each post individually with an equally redundant tone.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- WHY DO PPL VULTCH ?? its because they are after a
- ego stroke by destroying a plane online ... its
- mainly done by useless pilots who cant dogfight ...
- i mean why else vultch ?? they want to get a kill
- but they are too useless to get one in a fair fight
- so they have to get you when your defenceless

Most of the people who do vultch will do so for several reasons. Some people don't play for points; rather they play the roll, Germany versus Russia or some similar combination. In that mind set vulching or strafing a grounded target means fighting a virtual war. Does this make sense? With this in mind, the point of vulching should swing to protecting against said vulchers. Some people here, including myself could write a book on how to protect against vulchers, so any questions you have on how to improve your lack of ability would most likely be answered in haste.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- i play for the fights ... why shoot ppl on the
- ground ? it spoils their fun & theres no skill in it
- ... the most fun online in a DF room is the air
- combat , this game isnt real war , we are not out to
- win any war ... if you vultch you are either a
- useless pilot or a bad sport about online play .
- nobody like to get blowen up on the ground , theres
- no fun in it ... the fun comes from aireal combat ,
- i mean its so lame for a person to shoot another guy
- when he isnt fighting you ... you are proving
- nothing except you can be a low-life

There's more skill than you can imagine when vulching is concerned, at least under experienced vulching protected bases, therefore no spoiled fun once people become educated and more important no restrictive rules. You're right, this isn't real war, but it is a simulator. Think about that for a moment. Why not have all the elements? You also said, "We are not out to win any war". Then why play? Points? Is that how you get your kicks? How can that be fun? Why not work as a team with your mates and initiate a common goal. Yes aerial combat is a fun part of this game. How about aerial combat with a goal? That's where the real fun hides.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- one of yours ?? 99.9% of the ppl online are
- strangers , you are never always blue/red.... i dont
- like to vultch ppl cause it seems to be a real lame
- thing to do ... the challenge of online gameplay is
- in testing yourself against others ... id rather
- loose a hard ,long , tense fight than be getting
- easy kills ... the ppl who vultch are ego jockys ...
- they need to destroy others to make themselves feel
- good ...

Again with the name calling, "ego jockeys". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That's cute. It's understandable to be disrupted by the infantile ramblings of a certain man-child earlier but what does stooping to the same level accomplish? Let's stick to the topic.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- if your useless in the air then Vultch ... your ego
- will fell better

Read above statements, if a more extensive answer is required please fill out forms 16-300 of the 'How to quit whining' BlitzPig manual and I will return shortly.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- errr i didnt allude to my own abilitys cipher ...
- if you complain about vultching doesnt make you a
- bad pilot either just that you would rather have air
- combat .... im not talking about bases being bombed
- i mean getting shot when yur just touching down or
- just taking off .... 9 /10 times you can kill doing
- that ... it dont prove anything except your good at
- spoiling another persons fun online . we aint at war
- & there isnt any need for it ... i mean they are
- called Dog fight rooms arnt they ?? in the Dog Fight
- lobby ??

I know this Cipher fellow lacks tact and maturity. I do have a point to make of the above post. Why do you want a free ride in and out of the base? Are you a Point *****? You got a kill now you want to land to get your 100? It's my opinion that the fighting doesn't stop until you hit refly then it starts again when you hit fly. Learn to land under pressure. All the blind one sided opinionated people spout off the same 'no skill' BS every time, without realizing where the real skill rests. Try to land or take off while your taking a lead bath. That skill baby!

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- i get killed online & i dont complain about it , if
- you dont want to be shot at dont play online & dont
- own a game like FB .. but this is a forum on
- Vultching ... if you read some opionion you dont
- like , then dont come back to the forums at
- il2sturmovik.com , calling me a crybaby shows your
- willing to namecall... how much do you do it in game
- rooms ??

Yeah name-calling is childish. Well if they really mean it. A lot of us kid with each other on a regular basis. Locker room buddy buddy humor, like; Helos is a cross-dresser! (< === Example) The thing I hope you realize is you were name calling too. 'No skill' in this game is name calling. Again I'd be happy to give you a 1v1 if that applies to the hosts of vulching/strafing allowed servers. I'll even let you try to vulch me before I take-off.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- err saying that vultching is done by ppl of low
- ability aint whining . a whine or whinge is a
- complaint , what i typed was a statement

I'm now allowing you to back up that statement. 1v1 or civilized debate?


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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:12 PM
Gemini,

Are we bored today?

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:17 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Gemini,
-
- Are we bored today?



How'd you know?

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:30 PM
Gee, here's an idea... AAA

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XyZspineZyX
06-09-2003, 09:53 PM
troz wrote:
- Gee, here's an idea... AAA


Yep, or for low-end systems (that maybe shouldn't host but do) a combination of balloons and CAPs to make up for less or minimal AAA.

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06-10-2003, 12:12 AM
I'm just bump... er reiterating Mad_Toad's link post.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 05:08 AM
quote "There's more skill than you can imagine when
- vulching is concerned,"
doubt it ... i find destroying planes on the ground easy
quote "and more important - no restrictive rules"
they are restrictive if you like shooting defenceless planes ... that is not skillfull , it is a weak gamer who has to resort to doing it , i say that cause if you want to see how good a guy is ( or how good you are ) you would let him get ALT & E then go for him. conversly a pilot of no decency will shoot you on the ground ....

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 05:11 AM
AAA causes lag ... everyone has more fun when there isnt lag

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 05:23 AM
quote "We are not out to win any war". Then why
- play? "

i play cause i love to Dogfight 7 coop . FB is fun as .... we are not in a war , i fly german & Russian ... ppl who vultch arnt out for gameplay, they just want to get a ego satisfying feeling of having destroyed another persons plane ...
an ego stroke , i say this cause its a no skill thing to do ...
also its luck of the draw if AAA get you or not , not skill


quote "Try to land or take off while your taking a lead bath. That skill"
no . it comes down how bad a shot the guy in the air is

vultching online in a DF room is a crapola low life act that is linked to the ego
if you had a bit sensce of fun you would take them on in the air , it comes down to being a good sport

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 05:38 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "There's more skill than you can imagine when
-- vulching is concerned,"
- doubt it ... i find destroying planes on the
- ground easy
-
- quote "and more important - no restrictive rules"
- they are restrictive if you like shooting
- defenceless planes ... that is not skillfull , it
- is a weak gamer who has to resort to doing it , i
- say that cause if you want to see how good a guy is
- ( or how good you are ) you would let him get ALT &
- E then go for him. conversly a pilot of no decency
- will shoot you on the ground ....


I think we have a language barrier here. Either that or I wrote too much and you're lazy. So you find destroying planes on the ground easy? Was that in one of these no AAA servers you mention below? LOL that would explain everything! Yeah, no kidding that would be easy. Now go back and read. I welcome you to try your hand at vulching while I'm flying CAP over my base. Comprehend?

Again a problem with reading or the English language, I said it takes skill to avoid being vulched, so who's the one taking on a bigger challenge, you allowing your enemy to become even or I giving my enemy a chance to pummel me on the ground? The answer is simple to see.

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- AAA causes lag ... everyone has more fun when there isnt lag


Did you read my answer to AAA lag? OMFG, how many people can't read on this forum? Read, read, and read! Why would you open yourself up to look like an @ss by not reading what you're replying to?

If you want to play on your little air start server where everyone starts out absolutely even, by all means have a ball, but don't look ignorant by saying vulchers or vulching servers have "no skill" because you haven't even seen this scenario so don't act like an expert witness.


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 05:57 AM
I got the point across so now I edit. If ya read it before the edit then you know wht I said. Otherwise forget it.

I'm out of this thread. Going now where anyway.


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:09 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "We are not out to win any war". Then why
-- play? "
-
- i play cause i love to Dogfight 7 coop . FB is fun
- as .... we are not in a war , i fly german & Russian
- ... ppl who vultch arnt out for gameplay, they just
- want to get a ego satisfying feeling of having
- destroyed another persons plane ...
- an ego stroke , i say this cause its a no skill
- thing to do ...


How do you know what people think, are you psychic? Some people who vulch are so much into game play that they probably wear aviator goggles when they fly. I think you're the one who would most likely have an ego trip if you vulched. Some people strafe the runway to help their team mates. What if a Me-262 was about to take-off and you knew if he got in the air he would take out your TB-3 that was heading back to base? Would you vulch or wait until he got in the air, destroyed your team mate, and then say ok let's dog fight? Seems silly to me. If I were on the ground in my P-39 and there was a He-111 heading to my base and his German team mate let me get up in the air to destroy the He-111 I would think him to be slow of mind.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- also its luck of the draw if AAA get you or not , not skill


What about the CAPs I mentioned before?
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "Try to land or take off while your taking a
- lead bath. That skill"
- no . it comes down how bad a shot the guy in the air
- is

So then it does take varying levels of skill to vulch, if they were all skill less then they would miss all the time. It definitely has to do with the skill level of the guy on the ground. His ability to be aware of his surroundings and his ability to get in the air and win a fight where his opponent has the advantage, that's what makes vulching allowed great the challenge of the real skillful pilots. Childish pilots who spew the same stereotypes are not the skilled pilots.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- vultching online in a DF room is a crapola low life
- act that is linked to the ego
- if you had a bit sensce of fun you would take them
- on in the air , it comes down to being a good sport

You have no idea what I'm talking about or you'd have a clue by now. Even the die hard No-Vulch people in this community have come to realize there are two kinds of vulchers in this game. Some of them even separate it as strafing and vulching. I think the character difference lies in points. Point *****s are the breed whom sour and they exist in both vulching and non-vulching aspects of this game.

A bit of sense for fun is throwing the Tea and Crumpets out the window. A good sport would be helping your team mate instead of helping yourself.

Do you believe I'm a skill less ego vulcher?


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:18 AM
quote " I think we have a language barrier here"

i was quoting you ...

AAA causes lag so no AAA means a better game for everybody

airstarts arnt the greatest & take away from the game in my point of view

shooting someone on the ground IS easy cause they are moving real slow ... and its luck if you dont get hit by AAA , not skill .... sometimes the AAA gets you , sometimes it doesnt.....

quote "it takes skill to avoid being vultched"

not really , just a vultcher with crap aim

having to worry about vultching really takes away from the enjoyment of the Dog Fighting & it would be cool if ppl would try to get their kills in a fight rather than shooting you when your defenceless ... all it proves is that you can act like a low life

that aint name calling cause in the spirit of a fun game , its a low life act to do

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:19 AM
so first is first buzz you if you would read all of the post you would find out that me and the other guy were joking around we even posted a bit of it on my last post of the night last night and then second of all you can badger me behind a monitor all you want but we all know who the better man is not you so if you got something against me come on over to my house and we will talk about it oh i forgot your a pansy behind a monitor and as far as the squad goes thats not any concern of yours anyway so eat me

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:23 AM
Mad_Cipher

Your post only proves my point kid. You disgrace your squad.


btw.. Glad to meet up with you.You live anywhere near Big Bear?

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:25 AM
i live in the state of missouri no your just ate up with and edowed to ruin ppls fun that is all it is about so buzz off

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:27 AM
You might want to read some of the other post about you. Nobody thinks your funny.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:28 AM
well point me in the right direction then show me

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:29 AM
i will meet you behind the wood shed if you would like and is it so bad to stand behind what you believe in i dont think so but you seem to i think vulchin is alright it happend in real life what are they going to do but up a shield around there base and a sign that says please i dont pizz in your pool so dont vulch on my base

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:32 AM
I don't quote. Read all the posts, and you'll see your name coming up.

I've seen a member of your squad telling you to cool it in other threads. You need to cool off a little. Personal insults are not popular on this forum.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:33 AM
thats because you cant find any thats why so cmon show me im waiting

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:35 AM
joking around ?? your spewing insults aint joking around ... its spewing insults .... btw i didnt realise that MAD is a squad

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:35 AM
maybe i was a bit harsh with the words

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:37 AM
Here's one by Gemini.


Mad Cipher please don't argue for Pro-vulchers anymore. You're making us look bad and you lack tact.
The point of argument is progress not victory - Plato


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:39 AM
Badsite wrote

joking around ?? your spewing insults aint joking around ... its spewing insults .... btw i didnt realise that MAD is a squad



Yes we are a squad link is above my signature.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:39 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote " I think we have a language barrier here"
-
- i was quoting you ...
-
- AAA causes lag so no AAA means a better game for
- everybody


I only ask because you missed my post where I mention balloons and CAPs in place of AAA. Also perhaps the lag issues are on your end, how long has it been since you've cleaned up your computer, is there spyware hiding on your hard drive? Seriously on the language barrier, where are you from? If I knew you were from a foreign country where English isn't your first language I would use different wording.

_________

WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- airstarts arnt the greatest & take away from the
- game in my point of view


I agree.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- shooting someone on the ground IS easy cause they
- are moving real slow ... and its luck if you dont
- get hit by AAA , not skill .... sometimes the AAA
- gets you , sometimes it doesnt.....
-
- quote "it takes skill to avoid being vultched"
-
- not really , just a vultcher with crap aim


So you know this because you have vulched before? Also for the third time, what about the CAPs. You really believe it doesn't take skill to take off in a lead bath? Tell that to the newbie that can't take off period, let alone under pressure.
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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- having to worry about vultching really takes away
- from the enjoyment of the Dog Fighting & it would be
- cool if ppl would try to get their kills in a fight
- rather than shooting you when your defenceless ...
- all it proves is that you can act like a low life
-
- that aint name calling cause in the spirit of a fun
- game , its a low life act to do


It is name calling. You are stereotyping. I'm hoping there is a language barrier otherwise you're just simply ignorant. I mean the kind of ignorant person that makes the world a terrible place. For now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for now. Having vulching allowed does not take away from the game. Actually the opposite, it forces some like you to actually work with others as a team. Is WUAF a squad? Don't you work as a team? Also I hope to shed light on another area of your ignorance. There are servers which are scripted and in a sense turn Dog Fights into continuous Co-ops.


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:42 AM
first that line came from this thread so you found one oh wow i bet i can find lots with some doggin on you so what and then there was life so what that is life

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:44 AM
I'm going to let you go. I think at some point you'll dig your own grave, and then you'll be gone. Cya kid.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:46 AM
cya old fart

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:46 AM
and by the way i already dug yours for ya

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:50 AM
Mad_Cipher wrote:
- first that line came from this thread so you found one oh wow i bet i can find lots with some doggin on you so what and then there was life so what that is life



Here you're missing these;

F of all, . S what if , ! I I of them digging , , .

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:52 AM
thanks i knew i was missing something then again english was never my strong point lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:04 AM
quote "You really believe it doesn't take skill to take off in a lead bath ? "


yes cause Vultching is easy & if you manage to get up it aint cause your skillfull its because the other guy is crap at it.

quote " its a low life act to do "
this is a statement of behaviour , not a rendering of a personal term



quote " Also I hope to shed
- light on another area of your ignorance. There are
- servers which are scripted and in a sense turn Dog
- Fights into continuous Co-ops. "

it dont take long online to find that out


quote "Having
- vulching allowed does not take away from the game.
- Actually the opposite,

err if you want to have fun doing DFs then being vultched does take away from the time spent in them


and you are bringing up points inferring that is why i dont like Vultching , excuse me but im being character attacked when i have stated that i play for the Dog Fighting & that i see vultching as a useless way to get kills ... ie its a no skill way to kill another pilot cause
1) its easy
&
2) hes defenceless

nowhere anywhere have i mentioned points
if you engage in Vultching then you are out for the kill at any costs
this is an expression of the ego & shows a weakness of character when you could be helping the other guy to have more fun with fair fights

AND you wouldnt be wasting valuable time with endless CAP & being so worried about winning ... i mean shouldnt games be based on fun ????

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:08 AM
your last point is what i think games are based on having fun if you were not haveing fun then you would not buy them am i right i enjoy a good beating as so does the next guy but i take them as well as others but if it were not fun i would not come back for more

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:36 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "You really believe it doesn't take skill to
- take off in a lead bath ? "
-
-
- yes cause Vultching is easy & if you manage to get
- up it aint cause your skillfull its because the
- other guy is crap at it.
-
- quote " its a low life act to do "
- this is a statement of behaviour , not a rendering
- of a personal term


It's a statement of ignorance. You don't completely understand something so you lable it. Labeling is a sign of ignorance. If it's so easy to take off under fire then why do people constantly ask for advice on how to take-off under pressure?

_______________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote " Also I hope to shed
-- light on another area of your ignorance. There are
-- servers which are scripted and in a sense turn Dog
-- Fights into continuous Co-ops. "
-
- it dont take long online to find that out
-
-
- quote "Having
-- vulching allowed does not take away from the game.
-- Actually the opposite,
-
- err if you want to have fun doing DFs then being
- vultched does take away from the time spent in them

How are you going to be vulched so often? Do your team mates lack the skill to protect a base or target?

_______________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- and you are bringing up points inferring that is why
- i dont like Vultching , excuse me but im being
- character attacked when i have stated that i play
- for the Dog Fighting & that i see vultching as a
- useless way to get kills ... ie its a no skill way
- to kill another pilot cause
- 1) its easy
- &
- 2) hes defenceless
-
- nowhere anywhere have i mentioned points
- if you engage in Vultching then you are out for the
- kill at any costs
- this is an expression of the ego & shows a weakness
- of character when you could be helping the other guy
- to have more fun with fair fights
-
- AND you wouldnt be wasting valuable time with
- endless CAP & being so worried about winning ... i
- mean shouldnt games be based on fun ????


Yes they should be fun and each persons definition of what is fun (vulching or no-vulching) will vary. I respect your decision to not fly in vulching servers. The only issue I have is with your lack of realization that you're labeling a vast group of people which include very noble and respectful people. The BlitzPigs as a majority allow vulching. We allow it because we want this to be a very immersive game in all aspects. It takes more skill to Take-off under fire, fly CAP, Dog Fight, Strafe and land under fire than it takes to Take-off, fight, Land. It's simple to see that. You can argue that the vulcher can't aim, but the bottom line is badly aimed bullets are potentially deadlier than no bullets.

You only need to CAP the base long enough for the next guy to get up in the air. If you work as a team and make this routine it works very effectively and you as an individual don't CAP for very long. You take off circle the base then we the next guy is up you can leave and so on or you can wait to leave in groups, either way its team work. Everything you've said states that you act as a lone wolf. You don't want to waist time running CAPs and you probably leave your base area the first chance you get. Maybe I'm wrong about your character, but the ignorant stereotypes scream otherwise.


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:45 AM
Gemini is serious about his vulching. Maybe we should call it ground attacks. It doesn't sound so evil.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:46 AM
thats funny ground attacks ya instead of like air to air or ground to air its air to ground good one buzz i like that better to it sounds so much nicer than vulching

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:50 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Gemini is serious about his vulching. Maybe we
- should call it ground attacks. It doesn't sound so evil.



What's funny is I rarely ever "ground attack". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
I argue to protect my exhilarating environment.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:02 AM
quote "You don't completely
- understand something so you lable it

what is there to not understand ?? you get killed before you get a chance to defend your self ?? doing that to another is a crapola way to play ... if you do it then your just boosting your own self image .

i would retort that the ignorant one is the person who doesnt see how a vultch lacks all honeur or respect because the other was defenceless

ie your flying like a low life

loads of vultchers dont care wether you have just dived on them & are on their six . they are after the guy on the ground .... in otherwords CAP is a load of crap in that situation & even if you are in CAP , big deal you wont be able to stop all vultchers all the time when you could avoid all the hassel & have more fun if yall just downed ppl in a DF


quote"why do people constantly ask for advice on
- how to take-off under pressure? "

cause they lack commen sense ?? dont ask me its a question thats has an easy answer so why do ppl ask it ??

quote "The only issue I have is with your lack of
- realization that you're labeling a vast group of
- people which include very noble and respectful
- people. "

how nobel & respectfull are they if they shoot people when they are defenceless ??

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:07 AM
your going on & on about how its ignorant to believe "its not hard to kill people on the ground" ....

are you serious ? do you actually find it differcult to do ?

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:09 AM
Vultching is easy & if you manage to get up it aint cause your skillfull its because the other guy is crap at it.

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:23 AM
WUAF_Badsight, if your not concerned with points then vulching shouldn't be a big deal to you. If you take out one of my m8s and head back to base I will follow you in under the assumtion that you are going to collect his kill points, if thats not the case oh well, you should pull some manuvers to shake me, or get on my six and take me out. Either way makes the game that much more fun, that's supposed to be the challage of the whole game. I will 100% agree that some one camping over the base wating to spawn will get irritating real fast, but if you would join a squad (if your not in one), you could call out to one of your m8s and they could come and clear the skies so you can have your clear takeoff. Last but not least, if you haven't then you should watch "Pearl Harbor". There was straffing and it sucked, but people still made it into the air, outnumbered, and lived to tell about it.

XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 04:15 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "You don't completely
-- understand something so you lable it
-
- what is there to not understand ?? you get killed
- before you get a chance to defend your self ?? doing
- that to another is a crapola way to play ... if you
- do it then your just boosting your own self image .
-
- i would retort that the ignorant one is the person
- who doesnt see how a vultch lacks all honeur or
- respect because the other was defenceless
-
- ie your flying like a low life


Ignorance is clouded in ideals of black and white. You state that ALL (< == key word) people who vulch are "no skill low life" in character. The vast majority of ignorance in this world comes from this black and white point of view. Racism for example, all Americans are ____ or all Chinese are ______. The same ignorance can be previewed in debate. You're a black and white personality type. I'm a gray personality type. I see both sides of the argument and try to understand what the other person is saying. I can see the points others make. I try to understand them. You don't. You will scream 'the world is flat' with your eyes and ears closed until the day you die. I'm sorry to inform you, that's ignorance.

_____________________________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- loads of vultchers dont care wether you have just
- dived on them & are on their six . they are after
- the guy on the ground .... in otherwords CAP is a
- load of crap in that situation & even if you are in
- CAP , big deal you wont be able to stop all
- vultchers all the time when you could avoid all the
- hassel & have more fun if yall just downed ppl in a
- DF


It's obvious you and/or your squad lack the 'skill' to protect your base. Your CAP is ineffective. I could give you a few pointers if you like? In the end the black and white personality type wants to either denounce or ban something they have no answer for and heaven forbid if someone else was witty enough to find a solution to a problem they couldn't cope with.


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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "The only issue I have is with your lack of
-- realization that you're labeling a vast group of
-- people which include very noble and respectful
-- people. "
-
- how nobel & respectfull are they if they shoot
- people when they are defenceless ??


Let's look at these so-called defenseless people. Imagine if all the people you are playing with view this game as a simulator. Now those people want to play Germany versus Russia on a scripted dogfight server. The mission includes base attacks and everyone is ok with this and prepared for it. Does that really make the ground attack initiator any less of a person? They are playing the way they want. They are playing with all the elements. Everyone knows the risks and is on equal ground.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- your going on & on about how its ignorant to believe
- "its not hard to kill people on the ground" ....
-
- are you serious ? do you actually find it differcult to do ?


Actually as I've noted before (read) I don't vulch very often. In the last year and a half I can probably count the number of times I've done so on my digits. Most of which have come about in the new trendy scripted servers. One mission objective was to pin down a base with IL-2s.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
-
- Vultching is easy & if you manage to get up it aint
- cause your skillfull its because the other guy is
- crap at it.


Then I invite you to come and vulch me oh skillful one. I mean if it's so easy.

Do you know what's funny about the whole 'wait until they're equal' thing? You're flying different planes. Each plane has different strengths and weaknesses. The match will never be equal. He will exploit his advantages and you will exploit yours (plane wise, not cheat exploit). What do you fly in this game? It'll be interesting to know the real reason behind why you expect people to wait for you. You obviously don't fly a difficult plane or a plane that bleeds E quickly because someone with your lack of challenge and adventure would make sure you would engage with an E advantage. Instead it's not a concern, which tells me you fly something that maintains E, climbs well and has decent speed.



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06-10-2003, 05:24 PM
Wow, some people on this thread are almost Faulknerian in their writing style! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyways, this whole "wait until they're up in the air" thing reminds me of something that came up back when I was a young pup, playing GoldenEye on the good ol' Nintendo 64 (sorry for bringing consoles up, all you PC zealots /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

Anyways, me and my friends used to always deathmatch. Everything was fine and we had a lot of fun, but there was this one guy who was always complaining about how everything wasn't fair. He was always trying to get us to follow these silly little rules, like "You can't shoot me until we both have the same weapon!"

You don't need to be on arbitrarily equal ground in a match to do well against others. I've played GoldenEye games where a single shot meant death. Everyone else had pistols; I had nothing but my karate chop. Furthermore, they could see me just fine, while I for some reason decided to stare at the virtual floor as I ran randomly about.

I won that match.

If you don't want to deal with vulching, go somewhere where it's not allowed. I wouldn't mind it.

Also, if you don't want to vulch, stay away from food that's past its expiration date...

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 06:06 PM
For you who condemn vulching consider this scenario: if I go up to 4KM in my La, loiter high above the furball (far from home base), watch you toss and tumble and bleed away all your E whilst shooting down your opponent, then when you are out of cannon ammo, struggling to climb and coax your bullet riddled bird back to base, and I swoop down and spray you with 20MM's, how is that not worse than vulching? Isn't that even more unfair, to shoot down a hopelessly disadvantaged enemy, without even AAA to offer resistance? I can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that this scenario is far less dangerous and challenging to me than "vulching". If fairness is the issue, then the only time anyone should be shooting is when AC are approaching head on at the same alt. Stop being a baby!!



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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:16 PM
I don't agree with vulching, but I don't complain about it, if I am in a server that allows vulching I just play and don't vulch anyone.... that is till I get vulched, then I remember the name and pay em back big time.

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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 07:48 PM
Snootles wrote:
- Wow, some people on this thread are almost
- Faulknerian in their writing style! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- Anyways, this whole "wait until they're up in the
- air" thing reminds me of something that came up back
- when I was a young pup, playing GoldenEye on the
- good ol' Nintendo 64 (sorry for bringing consoles
- up, all you PC zealots /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).
-
- Anyways, me and my friends used to always
- deathmatch. Everything was fine and we had a lot of
- fun, but there was this one guy who was always
- complaining about how everything wasn't fair. He
- was always trying to get us to follow these silly
- little rules, like "You can't shoot me until we both
- have the same weapon!"
-
- You don't need to be on arbitrarily equal ground in
- a match to do well against others. I've played
- GoldenEye games where a single shot meant death.
- Everyone else had pistols; I had nothing but my
- karate chop. Furthermore, they could see me just
- fine, while I for some reason decided to stare at
- the virtual floor as I ran randomly about.
-
- I won that match.



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Good post. I had Golden Eye as well. Perfect Dark was even better.

Pertaining to the 'no skill' jousters, it's my opinion that there are two kinds of resiliency characteristics being displayed here. There are the people whom if blinded in life would push through the hardship and continue on with their lives and then there are the ones whom would pizz and moan until everyone else gouged their eyes out.


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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:15 PM
MIG7 wrote:
- For you who condemn vulching consider this scenario:
-....
- Isn't that even more unfair, to shoot
- down a hopelessly disadvantaged enemy, without even
- AAA to offer resistance?

Actually the two situations are very different.

First your victim in your scenario has the opportunity to see you hovering above and take steps to avoid your attack, or call in reinforcements.

Second, there is no way to see somebody vulching over the base *before spawning*. Also, if there is only one base per side, which is fairly common, there is no way to avoid the vulcher(s) even if their presence is known beforehand.





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XyZspineZyX
06-10-2003, 08:48 PM
LW_August wrote:
- Actually the two situations are very different.
-
- First your victim in your scenario has the
- opportunity to see you hovering above and take steps
- to avoid your attack, or call in reinforcements.


In both situations the victim has options. I can tell the difference between the individuals who are native to these situations and the ones whom are out of their element. I wont bore the masses by preaching team tactics again, although I will say this, if you are vulched don't be so quick to hit refly. Even on a Full Real server once you're vulched (aside from PK) you gain the ability to look around. Get a fix on the vulcher(s) and choose an advantageous point to spawn and fight. Then a skill of haste in taking off comes in handy.


LW_August wrote:
- Second, there is no way to see somebody vulching
- over the base *before spawning*. Also, if there is
- only one base per side, which is fairly common,
- there is no way to avoid the vulcher(s) even if
- their presence is known beforehand.


Actually using the hat switch you'll be able to see a large percentage of the sky. Your blind spot, basically your six, is your most vulnerable point. That's why I mention turns during take-off. Some people said vulching tends to make people nervous and they don't taxi. I replied with the following: "Actually you're better off taxiing. Vulchers swoop down in a usually straight line. If you take-off in a straight line you're toast. Make as many turns as possible during take-off and it'll increase your chances of living. I try to point towards the vulcher, for one, to get a chance at a head-on shot, and for two, he'll need to turn around to make his next pass." Between teamwork and common sense there are many ways to avoid being vulched.


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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 04:22 AM
well scripted serveres are a whole kettle of fish ... there is an objective & thats to have more kills than the other colour

quote "You're a black and white personality type"

err , you dont know me

you say its ignorant to state that shooting people taxing or landing or sitting still is easy ... well hello , compared to fighting a opponent who has E & the same ALT as you its no contest ... it IS easy

IE its a no skill kill

quote "It's obvious you and/or your squad lack the 'skill' to protect your base. Your CAP is ineffective"

come on are you kidding ?? do you really expect me to believe you 7 your squadmates pull of every tactic with success everytime ?? if so your a dreamer with deleusions of grandeur gemini


quote "Do you know what's funny about the whole 'wait until they're equal' thing? You're flying different planes. Each plane has different strengths and weaknesses"

yea and ??? are you saying that this is justification for shooting them on the ground ? ""but it doesnt matter . even if they get in the air it wont be fair anyway ... i will get them on the ground instead ""

with similar ALT & E then a real test of your skill can take place ... or do you like to always have the advantage so your over-inflated view of you & your squad can be maintained ??

quote "" because someone with your lack of challenge and adventure""

err im the one saying let your bandits get up in the air so they can have a chance & so you can have a decent fight ...
you seem to be the one going .... kill em on the ground so we get them .... thats a "lack of challenge" point of view

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 04:26 AM
you also havent explained why you think im arguing with honorable & respectfull people ???

wheres the honor in shooting a defenceless plane ??

the term "" shot him in the back"" & "" backstabber "" springs to mind .... both of which dont have any link to respect or honor what so ever

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 04:40 AM
quote ""Ignorance is clouded in ideals of black and white""

you say it ignorant to call a Vultch kill skilless err why ?? he cant defend himself & he cant get away ?? where is the skill in that ??

& why is it ignorant to call that a crapola way to play ??

your coming from the point of view that its a worthy kill !!! oh yea , i can see how having a guy in your sight with no E or ALT makes it worthy ... not

Vultchers show a poor attitude to playing FB cause instead of having a challenge they are boosting their egos destroying planes that are defenceless

in other words they are playing like low lifes

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 04:57 AM
MAD LP typed "" if your not concerned with points
- then vulching shouldn't be a big deal to you"

excuse me if im wrong but this is a Vultching topic where opinions are posted .. do you mean because i think vultching is lame i must have a problem ?

i dont know why ppl stand up for vultching cause it dont prove anything . taking someone out when they cant defend isnt what i call a kill ...

its done by ppl who are after points
its done by ppl who want a kill regardless
its done by ppl who cant DF properly
its done by ppl to vent frustration


these things spring from the ego , its done by ego jockys
.i.e crapola players

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 05:42 AM
I have nothing to add other than WUAF_Badsight might be the least legible and least coherent poster I've seen here thus far. He's really giving Helltoupee a run for his money.




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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 05:51 AM
Some things never change /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Thought this topic had been beaten to death lol


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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 05:53 AM
they were replys to BpGemini

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 05:01 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- well scripted serveres are a whole kettle of fish
- ... there is an objective & thats to have more kills
- than the other colour


So does that mean vulching is ok in that context? Be careful how you answer this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "You're a black and white personality type"
-
- err , you dont know me


With every word you right an analysis and result of your mind and how it works is delivered to me on a golden platter. I abruptly tell the waiter to take it back "its not done cooking".

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- you say its ignorant to state that shooting people
- taxing or landing or sitting still is easy ... well
- hello , compared to fighting a opponent who has E &
- the same ALT as you its no contest ... it IS easy
-
- IE its a no skill kill


LOL, I must laugh. You keep missing the point. My argument is based on fighting someone with an E advantage over you. I allow vulching because I like the challenge of over-coming an E disadvantage. You keep seeing only one side, the vulchers side. Open your eyes and read. You want things to be even. How it that more of a challenge than being at a disadvantage? I thrive in a disadvantage, while you whine until the scenario is even.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "It's obvious you and/or your squad lack the
- 'skill' to protect your base. Your CAP is
- ineffective"
-
- come on are you kidding ?? do you really expect me
- to believe you 7 your squadmates pull of every
- tactic with success everytime ?? if so your a
- dreamer with deleusions of grandeur gemini


Obviously vulchers get through the lines and cause havoc for short periods of time. That's normal. What I'm talking about is your squad must be very bad at CAP for this to be such a negative experience on you.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "Do you know what's funny about the whole
- 'wait until they're equal' thing? You're flying
- different planes. Each plane has different strengths
- and weaknesses"
-
- yea and ??? are you saying that this is
- justification for shooting them on the ground ?
- ""but it doesnt matter . even if they get in the air
- it wont be fair anyway ... i will get them on the
- ground instead ""


In case you haven't figured it out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned, I don't vulch very often; therefore the answer should be obvious. I'll explain in further detail. One very enjoyable aspect of this game is the situations you are thrust into. You may be outnumbered or have considerably less E, over coming that challenge is what makes these situations fun. You want to make them boorish by equalizing them. I allow vulching on my server to overcome challenges. You don't like vulchers because you don't like challenges; you want an even fight in a war simulation. LOL

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- with similar ALT & E then a real test of your skill
- can take place ... or do you like to always have the
- advantage so your over-inflated view of you & your
- squad can be maintained ??


You mean a limited test of your limited skill. You're only testing and improving on one microscopic area of your ability, the area of aerial combat in an ideal even situation. Again you miss the reality, you like it even, while I enjoy a good disadvantage.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "" because someone with your lack of challenge
- and adventure""
-
- err im the one saying let your bandits get up in
- the air so they can have a chance & so you can have
- a decent fight ...
- you seem to be the one going .... kill em on the
- ground so we get them .... thats a "lack of
- challenge" point of view


Ah, no, I'm "going" allow vulchers and situations and then overcome them. You want fair fights in a war simulation. I want war in a war simulation. I like being out numbered and out gunned. Did you miss snootles post on page 4? Obviously I'm not writing with encrypted text because he understood the point; hence his mention of over coming a challenge of being unarmed against several armed foes. How are you missing this!?

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- you also havent explained why you think im arguing
- with honorable & respectfull people ???
-
- wheres the honor in shooting a defenceless plane ??
-
- the term "" shot him in the back"" & "" backstabber
- "" springs to mind .... both of which dont have any
- link to respect or honor what so ever


Q: "Where's the honor in shooting a defenseless plane?"

A: The honor is in over coming the challenge of being the defenseless plane; by not allowing vulching you avoid ever being able to overcome such challenges.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- you say it ignorant to call a Vultch kill skilless
- err why ?? he cant defend himself & he cant get away
- ?? where is the skill in that ??


I'm saying you're ignorant for labeling entire groups of people without understanding even in the nth degree any other aspect of game play other than your own. Truly ignorant and a public look at the ugliness found across the globe.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- & why is it ignorant to call that a crapola way to play ??


It's ignorant not to open your mind or even audience for a second that perhaps a different way to play is out there, one other than the stereotype locked in your closed mind. Heaven forbid if revelation may spawn and release you from the drivel existence you now lament from.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- your coming from the point of view that its a worthy
- kill !!! oh yea , i can see how having a guy in
- your sight with no E or ALT makes it worthy ... not
-
-
-
- Vultchers show a poor attitude to playing FB cause
- instead of having a challenge they are boosting
- their egos destroying planes that are defenceless
-
-
- in other words they are playing like low lifes


You have no idea where my point of view is located. Call out a search team to help you find it. You think vulchers show a poor attitude, I think they add missing elements to this WWII simulation. You call them "low lives" (f changed to v to create a plural) because you can't handle them. I call them targets or allies depending on which team they're on.

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- MAD LP typed "" if your not concerned with points
-- then vulching shouldn't be a big deal to you"
-
- excuse me if im wrong but this is a Vultching topic
- where opinions are posted .. do you mean because i
- think vultching is lame i must have a problem ?


Opinions are helpful, ignorance is a hindrance. You didn't just say, "I think vulching is lame". You said you think everyone who allows/does it are "no skill, crapola player, ego jockeys".

_____________


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- i dont know why ppl stand up for vultching cause it
- dont prove anything . taking someone out when they
- cant defend isnt what i call a kill ...
-
- its done by ppl who are after points
- its done by ppl who want a kill regardless
- its done by ppl who cant DF properly
- its done by ppl to vent frustration
-
-
- these things spring from the ego , its done by ego
- jockys
- .i.e crapola players


"its done by ppl who are after points"
People who say, "No, no let me land" are also after points.
"its done by ppl who want a kill regardless"
People may want to fight a simulated war instead of have a Tea and Crumpet-athalon.
"its done by ppl who cant DF properly"
If you really believe that then let's find out.
"its done by ppl to vent frustration"
It seems to me that you have more pent up anger than most.

Btw, you are an ego jockey; otherwise you'd accept a challenging situation instead of ban the opportunity.


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06-11-2003, 05:11 PM
It saves the trouble of taking off before I die. Get it over and done with quickly, thats what I say!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 10:39 PM
cowace2 wrote:
-
- I have nothing to add other than WUAF_Badsight might
- be the least legible and least coherent poster I've
- seen here thus far. He's really giving Helltoupee a
- run for his money.

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06-11-2003, 11:32 PM
Trying to teach a cow to whistle:


only wastes your time and annoys the cow


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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 11:44 PM
HEY WHOA, I thought someone mentioned Golden Eye, twas my fav game till Perfect Dark.

I loved those games, beat Golden Eye Hardest setting, and got every cheat legitally in corrisponding time.

*Brag* *Brag* /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And Beat every level on the Hardest setting in Perfect Dark, all I need is to earn the cheats by beating all the levels in the alloted time,..... err or buy a gameboy advanced and plug it in the 64 or however that works LoL. But alas,... my Perfect Dark days are over, not quite in time to earn all the cheats, I will never go back now that I have my AVP2, SOF2, RTCW, and in the near future Halo2, Doom3 (Man this one is taking a while to get out)

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06-12-2003, 12:04 AM
u got RTCW:ET eyes?

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 12:29 AM
Hawgdog wrote:
- Trying to teach a cow to whistle:
-
-
- only wastes your time and annoys the cow
-
-
- E. Sillius Unom



Annoying cows is a hobby of mine.

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06-12-2003, 12:33 AM
EyesBlack wrote:
- HEY WHOA, I thought someone mentioned Golden Eye,
- twas my fav game till Perfect Dark.
-
- I loved those games, beat Golden Eye Hardest
- setting, and got every cheat legitally in
- corrisponding time.
-
- *Brag* *Brag* /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- And Beat every level on the Hardest setting in
- Perfect Dark, all I need is to earn the cheats by
- beating all the levels in the alloted time,..... err
- or buy a gameboy advanced and plug it in the 64 or
- however that works LoL. But alas,... my Perfect Dark
- days are over, not quite in time to earn all the
- cheats, I will never go back now that I have my
- AVP2, SOF2, RTCW, and in the near future Halo2,
- Doom3 (Man this one is taking a while to get out)



PD rocked didn't it. I still play it with my daughter from time to time. I beat every level on hardest too. The added missions on the end are pretty cool. I like to play the one where you're Mr. Blonde and have to enter the evil company's (forgot the name) building. Tons of guards constantly coming at you.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 03:24 AM
ya the mauler is ok with the charged up shot, but reloadings a bugger. My Multiplayer character is Mr.Blond, don't know why, I just like being that guy.

War was a bugger on the hardest setting. I think I got mighty luckey beating that, oh and yes I have Return to Castle Wolfenstien.

Hardest level to get a code on in GoldenEye is the second one, man I can't do the 2 minutes and what 15 seconds, without using my mine at the begining by throwing it in front of the stairs, middle hall, by the wooden box, then as u go to get the keycard blow it up so u can freely go hit the switch and pray u don't take too many bullets to the back when running to the newly opened door from the switch.... Really wish u could of went to the back rooms in Multiplayer for that level, just make the tanks of gas invinsable, I wouldn't mind that.

Any who, planes are good and coke is yummie.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 05:29 AM
ok BpGemini , you replied to
"" if you engage in Vultching then you are out for the
- kill at any costs
- this is an expression of the ego & shows a weakness
- of character ""
with :
"" your lack of realization that you're labeling a vast group of people which include very noble and respectful people.""

then i asked why you thought vultchers were honorable , to which you replied :
""The honor is in over coming the challenge of being the defenseless plane""

so you dont even know what your replying too , or the point being made , or who you are referring too .... & you call me ignorant !

BpGemini wrote ""You're only testing and improving on one microscopic area of your ability, the area of aerial combat ""

.... um , this is a air warfare game .... the fighters outnumber the bombers at least 6 -- 1 , we are talking about Dog Fight rooms ... are you seriously expecting me to agree with Dogfighting is the minor part of gameplay in a Dogfight room!!?!!
Dogfighting is more a major part of FB than a minor part .... isnt that what FBs focus is ???!!??
isnt FB about aireal combat ??


BpGemini wrote "" I like the challenge of over-coming an E disadvantage""
and you have a problem with me cause id rather let my bandits get the oppertunity to defend themselves rather than taking them out on the ground ???

quote ""In case you haven't figured it out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned""
false ... your exagerating

quote ""You don't like vulchers because you don't like challenges""
2 answers to this
1) if you think that letting your bandit get in the air so he can DF properly is less of a challenge over taking him out on the ground your wrong
2)getting up in the air while being vultched is a question of how good/bad the vultcher is

taxiing & taking off are basic skills which there is no secret too. If you manage to get up in the air while being vultched it isnt cause you are skillfull .... it cause the vultcher is crap at it

so its luck of the draw & comes down to how good a pilot is up there ... that doesnt result in qualifying as a challenge as its down to the Vultchers skill in shooting

im not saying that defending against vultchers is skilless gemini .... good CAP ability takes pratice ,,,, but simple taking off quick isnt a skill ... its a basic

XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 05:51 AM
quote ""People who say, "No, no let me land" are also after points.""
wrong
its done by ppl who dont want to be destroyed when their defenceless
Vultching is not destroying bandits skillfully ... thats done in the air
Vultching is a skilless kill.

quote ""you
- whine until the scenario is even.""

err im the one saying let your bandits defend themselves
killing them on the ground is a crapola way to play online.
and again you are mistaken with ---> ""
Again you miss the reality,
- you like it even ""
no ... i have said over & over that Vultching is a skilless kill... the real challenge & fun is in the Dogfights ... not the destroying of ppl on the ground
quote ""You want fair fights in a
- war simulation.""
it a game Gemini .. played for fun.. getting blowen up while on the ground takes away from Flying & fighting ... so i want my bandits to be able to come up into the air & take me on cause that is where the fun is at ....


Quote "" It's ignorant not to open your mind or even audience
- for a second that perhaps a different way to play is
- out there,""
you have been going on & on with character attacks instead of debating Vultching ... just cause a person says Vultching is a real Lame thing to do doesnt make them ignorant
just cause a person doesnt think the same way as you doesnt make them wrong ... but you seem to think that way ...
your last post had more about why you think im ignorant rather than Vultching ...

do you realise that character defamation is a sign of a person with a weak mind or a weak argument ?

you have seen me debate on one topic at length ( this one ) & now you say
""With every word you right an analysis and result of
- your mind and how it works is delivered to me""

your the one jumping to conclusions & then going off on a tangent & then say im the ignorant one ... well Gemini you know what i think about vultching only ... its arrogant to claim otherwise



you are wrong ... Vultching isnt a valid tactic & it is done by weak gamers ... ego killers ...this is a game... you aint taken back to the forties when you play .... letting ppl up off the ground comes down to having respect for other peoples desire to have fun & being a good sport .....
thinking this is actually war is rediculous
have you lost what it means to have fun in the game ?
do you aviod "miniscule" Dogfights cause you are only out to puff up your ego with kills ??



Message Edited on 06/12/03 04:54AM by WUAF_Badsight

Message Edited on 06/12/03 04:56AM by WUAF_Badsight

Message Edited on 06/12/0311:15AM by WUAF_Badsight

XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 03:33 PM
My General Rule

I don't kill planes taking off, for it is manditory for a plane to take off.

I kill planes landing, I mean he must of made a mistake like, got greedy with his kills and needs to hurry home to cash in before death, outta ammo because he missed or whatever else. I mean, if someone jammed there flaps do u fly away and say, oh hes at a disadvantage, I will disengage. Twas his own fault.

But I do agree on letting the other team get some alt before engaging. Everyone has to take off, its not like landing.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 10:09 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- ok BpGemini , you replied to
- "" if you engage in Vultching then you are out for the
- kill at any costs this is an expression of the ego & shows a weakness
- of character ""with : "" your lack of realization that you're labeling a
- vast group of people which include very noble and respectful people.""
-
-
- then i asked why you thought vultchers were
- honorable , to which you replied :
- ""The honor is in over coming the challenge of
- being the defenseless plane""
-
-
- so you dont even know what your replying too , or
- the point being made , or who you are referring too
- .... & you call me ignorant !


I know exactly what I'm replying to. Vulching should be allowed for the reasons I mention. My point is obvious to everyone except you. I truly want to believe there is a language barrier here. English can't be your first language, it just can't be. Either that or you're one cookie shy of a cookie jar. You use 'z' instead of 's' and post about 12 hours apart from me, so maybe you're from Australia, but I hope not because that's embarrassing to lack such English skills, while having English as your first language. I've kept my eyes and ears open to your posts and I'll continue to do so. I don't believe you have. You've missed on more topic points than I can believe possible for a mature English speaking/writing adult. Are you using a translation program or a translation website?

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote ""You're only testing and improving
- on one microscopic area of your ability, the area of
- aerial combat ""
-
- .... um , this is a air warfare game .... the
- fighters outnumber the bombers at least 6 -- 1 , we
- are talking about Dog Fight rooms ... are you
- seriously expecting me to agree with Dogfighting is
- the minor part of gameplay in a Dogfight room!!?!!
- Dogfighting is more a major part of FB than a
- minor part .... isnt that what FBs focus is ???!!??
-
- isnt FB about aireal combat ??


Fortunately for us, FB is much much more. You limit yourself way too much. It's fine if you do but you shouldn't ignorantly insult and stereotype others who want more. A lot of the BlitzPigs host Dog Fight servers that try to use this World War II simulation to it's full potential. If you really believe this great game is only about dogfights then I feel sorry for you.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote "" I like the challenge of
- over-coming an E disadvantage""
- and you have a problem with me cause id rather let
- my bandits get the oppertunity to defend themselves
- rather than taking them out on the ground ???


I don't have a problem with you because of how you play. I have a problem with your ignorant labels. You don't understand why people allow vulching and frankly you could care less to find out why they do. You only know that you don't like it. Not understanding the other side is ignorance and ignorance is why there is racial hatred in the world. Every chance I get, I'll pi$$ is Mr. Ignorant's Cheerios, at least until he wises up.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""In case you haven't figured it out by the
- ten plus times it's been mentioned""
- false ... your exagerating


Your statement: <table style="filter:glow[color=blue,strength=2)"> yea and ??? are you saying that this is justification for shooting them on the ground ? ""but it doesnt matter . even if they get in the air it wont be fair anyway ... i will get them on the ground instead "" </table style>
My answer: <table style="filter:glow[color=green,strength=2)"> In case you haven't figured it out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned, I don't vulch very often; therefore the answer should be obvious. </table style>
You respond: <table style="filter:glow[color=blue,strength=2)"> "False... You're exaggerating". </table style>
I am!?
Let's take a look.

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My comments and how they pertain to my above statment:

1. (Post 7 of page 3) Actually you're better off taxiing. Vulchers swoop down in a usually straight line. If you take-off in a straight line you're toast. Make as many turns as possible during take-off and it'll increase your chances of living. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> I try to point towards the vulcher, for one, to get a chance at a head-on shot, and for two, he'll need to turn around to make his next pass. </table style>

2. (Post 10 of page 3) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> My pro-vulching arguments have never been generalized and tend to point out the benefits of allowing it, all the while I keep my mind open to both sides. </table style> I feel confidant that I can debate this topic with anyone and have a good chance of coming out with progress in hand. The problem is the Billy Bob's (WUAF_Badsight) who come in to spout a few words of blatant ignorance with their eyes and ears closed. I'd be happy to debate the points or simply "step outside" for a 1v1 shootout.

3. (Post 12 of page 3) Most of the people who do vultch will do so for several reasons. Some people don't play for points; rather they play the roll, Germany versus Russia or some similar combination. In that mind set vulching or strafing a grounded target means fighting a virtual war. Does this make sense? <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> With this in mind, the point of vulching should swing to protecting against said vulchers. </table style> Some people here, including myself could write a book on how to protect against vulchers, so any questions you have on how to improve your lack of ability would most likely be answered in haste.

4. (Post 12 of page 3) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> There's more skill than you can imagine when vulching is concerned, at least under experienced vulching protected bases, therefore no spoiled fun once people become educated and more important no restrictive rules. </table style> You're right, this isn't real war, but it is a simulator. Think about that for a moment. Why not have all the elements? You also said, "We are not out to win any war". Then why play? Points? Is that how you get your kicks? How can that be fun? Why not work as a team with your mates and initiate a common goal. Yes aerial combat is a fun part of this game. How about aerial combat with a goal? That's where the real fun hides.

5. (Post 12 of page 3) I know this Cipher fellow lacks tact and maturity. I do have a point to make of the above post. Why do you want a free ride in and out of the base? Are you a Point *****? You got a kill now you want to land to get your 100? It's my opinion that the fighting doesn't stop until you hit refly then it starts again when you hit fly.<table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> Learn to land under pressure. All the blind one sided opinionated people spout off the same 'no skill' BS every time, without realizing where the real skill rests. Try to land or take off while your taking a lead bath. That skill baby! </table style>

6. (Post 12 of page 3) Yeah name-calling is childish. Well if they really mean it. A lot of us kid with each other on a regular basis. Locker room buddy buddy humor, like; Helos is a cross-dresser! (< === Example) The thing I hope you realize is you were name calling too. 'No skill' in this game is name calling. Again I'd be happy to give you a 1v1 if that applies to the hosts of vulching/strafing allowed servers. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> I'll even let you try to vulch me before I take-off. </table style>

7. (Post 16 of page 3) Yep, or for low-end systems (that maybe shouldn't host but do) a combination of balloons and CAPs to make up for less or minimal AAA.

8. (Post 20 of page 3) think we have a language barrier here. Either that or I wrote too much and you're lazy. So you find destroying planes on the ground easy? Was that in one of these no AAA servers you mention below? LOL that would explain everything! Yeah, no kidding that would be easy. Now go back and read. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> I welcome you to try your hand at vulching while I'm flying CAP over my base. Comprehend? </table style>

<table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> Again a problem with reading or the English language, I said it takes skill to avoid being vulched, so who's the one taking on a bigger challenge, you allowing your enemy to become even or I giving my enemy a chance to pummel me on the ground? The answer is simple to see. </table style>

9. (Post 20 of page 3) Did you read my answer to AAA lag? OMFG, how many people can't read on this forum? Read, read, and read! Why would you open yourself up to look like an @ss by not reading what you're replying to?

If you want to play on your little air start server where everyone starts out absolutely even, by all means have a ball, <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> but don't look ignorant by saying vulchers or vulching servers have "no skill" because you haven't even seen this scenario so don't act like an expert witness. </table style>

10. (Post 22 of page 3) How do you know what people think, are you psychic? Some people who vulch are so much into game play that they probably wear aviator goggles when they fly. I think you're the one who would most likely have an ego trip if you vulched. Some people strafe the runway to help their team mates. What if a Me-262 was about to take-off and you knew if he got in the air he would take out your TB-3 that was heading back to base? Would you vulch or wait until he got in the air, destroyed your team mate, and then say ok let's dog fight? Seems silly to me. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> If I were on the ground in my P-39 and there was a He-111 heading to my base and his German team mate let me get up in the air to destroy the He-111 I would think him to be slow of mind. </table style>

11. (Post 22 of page 3) What about the CAPs I mentioned before?

12. (Post 22 of page 3) So then it does take varying levels of skill to vulch, if they were all skill less then they would miss all the time. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> It definitely has to do with the skill level of the guy on the ground. His ability to be aware of his surroundings and his ability to get in the air and win a fight where his opponent has the advantage, that's what makes vulching allowed great the challenge of the real skillful pilots. Childish pilots who spew the same stereotypes are not the skilled pilots. </table style>

13. (Post 22 of page 3) You have no idea what I'm talking about or you'd have a clue by now. Even the die hard No-Vulch people in this community have come to realize there are two kinds of vulchers in this game. Some of them even separate it as strafing and vulching. I think the character difference lies in points. Point *****s are the breed whom sour and they exist in both vulching and non-vulching aspects of this game.

A bit of sense for fun is throwing the Tea and Crumpets out the window. A good sport would be helping your team mate instead of helping yourself.

Do you believe I'm a skill less ego vulcher?

14. (Post 7 of page 4) I only ask because you missed my post where I mention balloons and CAPs in place of AAA. Also perhaps the lag issues are on your end, how long has it been since you've cleaned up your computer, is there spyware hiding on your hard drive? Seriously on the language barrier, where are you from? If I knew you were from a foreign country where English isn't your first language I would use different wording.

15. (Post 7 of page 4) So you know this because you have vulched before? Also for the third time, what about the CAPs. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> You really believe it doesn't take skill to take off in a lead bath? </table style> Tell that to the newbie that can't take off period, let alone under pressure.

16. (Post 7 of page 4) It is name calling. You are stereotyping. I'm hoping there is a language barrier otherwise you're just simply ignorant. I mean the kind of ignorant person that makes the world a terrible place. For now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for now. Having vulching allowed does not take away from the game. Actually the opposite, it forces some like you to actually work with others as a team. Is WUAF a squad? Don't you work as a team? Also I hope to shed light on another area of your ignorance. There are servers which are scripted and in a sense turn Dog Fights into continuous Co-ops.

17. (Post 16 of page 4) It's a statement of ignorance. You don't completely understand something so you lable it. Labeling is a sign of ignorance. If it's so easy to take off under fire then why do people constantly ask for advice on how to take-off under pressure?

18. (Post 16 of page 4) Yes they should be fun and each persons definition of what is fun (vulching or no-vulching) will vary. I respect your decision to not fly in vulching servers. The only issue I have is with your lack of realization that you're labeling a vast group of people which include very noble and respectful people. The BlitzPigs as a majority allow vulching. We allow it because we want this to be a very immersive game in all aspects. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> It takes more skill to Take-off under fire, fly CAP, Dog Fight, Strafe and land under fire than it takes to Take-off, fight, Land. It's simple to see that. You can argue that the vulcher can't aim, but the bottom line is badly aimed bullets are potentially deadlier than no bullets. </table style>

You only need to CAP the base long enough for the next guy to get up in the air. If you work as a team and make this routine it works very effectively and you as an individual don't CAP for very long. You take off circle the base then we the next guy is up you can leave and so on or you can wait to leave in groups, either way its team work. Everything you've said states that you act as a lone wolf. You don't want to waist time running CAPs and you probably leave your base area the first chance you get. Maybe I'm wrong about your character, but the ignorant stereotypes scream otherwise.

19. (Post 19 of page 4 - really obvious one) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> What's funny is I rarely ever "ground attack". I argue to protect my exhilarating environment. </table style>


20. (Post 25 of page 4) Ignorance is clouded in ideals of black and white. You state that ALL (< == key word) people who vulch are "no skill low life" in character. The vast majority of ignorance in this world comes from this black and white point of view. Racism for example, all Americans are ____ or all Chinese are ______. The same ignorance can be previewed in debate. You're a black and white personality type. I'm a gray personality type. I see both sides of the argument and try to understand what the other person is saying. I can see the points others make. I try to understand them. You don't. You will scream 'the world is flat' with your eyes and ears closed until the day you die. I'm sorry to inform you, that's ignorance.

21. (Post 25 of page 4) It's obvious you and/or your squad lack the 'skill' to protect your base. Your CAP is ineffective. I could give you a few pointers if you like? In the end the black and white personality type wants to either denounce or ban something they have no answer for and heaven forbid if someone else was witty enough to find a solution to a problem they couldn't cope with.

22. (Post 25 of page 4) Let's look at these so-called defenseless people. Imagine if all the people you are playing with view this game as a simulator. Now those people want to play Germany versus Russia on a scripted dogfight server. The mission includes base attacks and everyone is ok with this and prepared for it. Does that really make the ground attack initiator any less of a person? They are playing the way they want. They are playing with all the elements. Everyone knows the risks and is on equal ground.

23. (Post 25 of page 4 - another obvious one) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> Actually as I've noted before (read) I don't vulch very often. </table style> In the last year and a half I can probably count the number of times I've done so on my digits. Most of which have come about in the new trendy scripted servers. One mission objective was to pin down a base with IL-2s.

24. (Post 25 of page 4) Then I invite you to come and vulch me oh skillful one. I mean if it's so easy.

Do you know what's funny about the whole 'wait until they're equal' thing? You're flying different planes. Each plane has different strengths and weaknesses. The match will never be equal. He will exploit his advantages and you will exploit yours (plane wise, not cheat exploit). What do you fly in this game? It'll be interesting to know the real reason behind why you expect people to wait for you. You obviously don't fly a difficult plane or a plane that bleeds E quickly because someone with your lack of challenge and adventure would make sure you would engage with an E advantage. Instead it's not a concern, which tells me you fly something that maintains E, climbs well and has decent speed.

25. (Post 29 of page 4) Pertaining to the 'no skill' jousters, it's my opinion that there are two kinds of resiliency characteristics being displayed here. There are the people whom if blinded in life would push through the hardship and continue on with their lives and then there are the ones whom would pizz and moan until everyone else gouged their eyes out.

26. (Post 31 of page 4) In both situations the victim has options. I can tell the difference between the individuals who are native to these situations and the ones whom are out of their element. I wont bore the masses by preaching team tactics again, although I will say this, <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> if you are vulched don't be so quick to hit refly. Even on a Full Real server once you're vulched (aside from PK) you gain the ability to look around. Get a fix on the vulcher(s) and choose an advantageous point to spawn and fight. Then a skill of haste in taking off comes in handy. </table style>

27. (Post 31 of page 4) Actually using the hat switch you'll be able to see a large percentage of the sky. Your blind spot, basically your six, is your most vulnerable point. That's why I mention turns during take-off. Some people said vulching tends to make people nervous and they don't taxi. I replied with the following: "Actually you're better off taxiing. Vulchers swoop down in a usually straight line. If you take-off in a straight line you're toast. Make as many turns as possible during take-off and it'll increase your chances of living. <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> I try to point towards the vulcher, for one, to get a chance at a head-on shot, and for two, he'll need to turn around to make his next pass." </table style> Between teamwork and common sense there are many ways to avoid being vulched.

28. (Post 8 of page 5- pretty much all of this one) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> LOL, I must laugh. You keep missing the point. My argument is based on fighting someone with an E advantage over you. I allow vulching because I like the challenge of over-coming an E disadvantage. You keep seeing only one side, the vulchers side. Open your eyes and read. You want things to be even. How is that more of a challenge than being at a disadvantage? I thrive in a disadvantage, while you whine until the scenario is even. </table style>

29. (Post 8 of page 5) Obviously vulchers get through the lines and cause havoc for short periods of time. That's normal. What I'm talking about is your squad must be very bad at CAP for this to be such a negative experience on you.

30. (Post 8 of page 5 - even the dead guy in the corner has grasped the point by now) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> In case you haven't figured it out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned, I don't vulch very often; therefore the answer should be obvious. I'll explain in further detail. One very enjoyable aspect of this game is the situations you are thrust into. You may be outnumbered or have considerably less E, over coming that challenge is what makes these situations fun. You want to make them boorish by equalizing them. I allow vulching on my server to overcome challenges. You don't like vulchers because you don't like challenges; you want an even fight in a war simulation. LOL </table style>

31. (Post 8 of page 5) You mean a limited test of your limited skill. You're only testing and improving on one microscopic area of your ability, the area of aerial combat in an ideal even situation. Again you miss the reality, you like it even, while I enjoy a good disadvantage.

32. (Post 8 of page 5) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> Ah, no, I'm "going" allow vulchers and situations and then overcome them. You want fair fights in a war simulation. I want war in a war simulation. I like being out numbered and out gunned. Did you miss snootles post on page 4? Obviously I'm not writing with encrypted text because he understood the point; hence his mention of over coming a challenge of being unarmed against several armed foes. How are you missing this!? </table style>

33. (Post 8 of page 5) <table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> Q: "Where's the honor in shooting a defenseless plane?"

A: The honor is in over coming the challenge of being the defenseless plane; by not allowing vulching you avoid ever being able to overcome such challenges. </table style>

34. (Post 8 of page 5) You have no idea where my point of view is located. Call out a search team to help you find it. You think vulchers show a poor attitude, I think they add missing elements to this WWII simulation. You call them "low lives" (f changed to v to create a plural) because you can't handle them. I call them targets or allies depending on which team they're on.

35. (Post 8 of page 5) Btw, you are an ego jockey; otherwise you'd accept a challenging situation instead of ban the opportunity.

<table style="filter:glow[color=green,strength=2)"> Jordan fades back.... swish!! ... and that's the game! </table style>

What's funny is I kept my sarcastic word when I said, "Scanning through your posts of redundancy, I'll answer each post individually with an equally redundant tone."

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""You don't like vulchers because you don't like challenges""
- 2 answers to this
- 1) if you think that letting your bandit get in the
- air so he can DF properly is less of a challenge
- over taking him out on the ground your wrong
- 2)getting up in the air while being vultched is a
- question of how good/bad the vultcher is
- taxiing & taking off are basic skills which there is
- no secret too. If you manage to get up in the air
- while being vultched it isnt cause you are
- skillfull .... it cause the vultcher is crap at it
-
- so its luck of the draw & comes down to how good a
- pilot is up there ... that doesnt result in
- qualifying as a challenge as its down to the
- Vultchers skill in shooting
-
- im not saying that defending against vultchers is
- skilless gemini .... good CAP ability takes pratice
- ,,,, but simple taking off quick isnt a skill ...
- its a basic


Taking off under fire takes more ability/skill than taking off free and clear. You only know them as basic skills because you are use to taking off free and clear. It has become second nature to me, so if I had a blind point of view I would say it's easy too, except I know at one time it wasn't.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""People who say, "No, no let me land" are also after points.""
- wrong its done by ppl who dont want to be destroyed when
- their defenceless Vultching is not destroying bandits skillfully ...
- thats done in the air Vultching is a skilless kill.


How are they defenseless? Are you saying it takes too much skill and concentration to land that he's defenseless? He should be a wiser virtual pilot. If the area isn't clear for landing don't land until it is. Or learn to land faster or under pressure as I stated before.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""you whine until the scenario is even.""
- err im the one saying let your bandits defend themselves
- killing them on the ground is a crapola way to play online.
- and again you are mistaken with ---> ""
- Again you miss the reality, you like it even ""
- no ... i have said over & over that Vultching is a
- skilless kill... the real challenge & fun is in the
- Dogfights ... not the destroying of ppl on the
- ground


You actually believe it takes more skill to do this ===> Take off free and clear, Dog Fight, Land free and clear
Than it takes to do this ===> Take off under fire, Fly CAPs, Dog Fight, Strafe, Land under fire

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""You want fair fights in a war simulation.""
- it a game Gemini .. played for fun.. getting blowen
- up while on the ground takes away from Flying &
- fighting ... so i want my bandits to be able to come
- up into the air & take me on cause that is where
- the fun is at ....


See above.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- Quote "" It's ignorant not to open your mind or even audience
-- for a second that perhaps a different way to play is out there,""
- you have been going on & on with character attacks
- instead of debating Vultching ... just cause a
- person says Vultching is a real Lame thing to do
- doesnt make them ignorant


I've been debating vulching since page 3 to a closed mind. Your opinion is good, but your insults are ignorant and baseless. I only mention this as an invitation to leave those insults at the door. Debate with wisdom. Again I'm not saying you're ignorant because you say vulching is lame. I'm saying you're ignorant because of your stereotypes. I'd also like you to understand that I mean ignorant in the true sense of the word. I'm ignorant of the Japanese language, for example. You're being ignorant when it comes to the fact that there are more sides to this debate than you think. Your insults display that ignorance. I wouldn't try to post my opinion on the Japanese language until I learn it. If you see the facts of this topic it would make your opinions more plausible to others. I would welcome them.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- just cause a person doesnt think the same way as you
- doesnt make them wrong ... but you seem to think
- that way ...
- your last post had more about why you think im
- ignorant rather than Vultching ...

Perhaps, but you really need to leave the ignorant insults at the door. They leave your opinions festering in sewage. You should try something other than "No skill" too. It has been debunked more times than I can count. Besides if I leave you with a number you'll say I exaggerated and you know where that'll take us.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- do you realise that character defamation is a sign
- of a person with a weak mind or a weak argument ?

So you're saying you have a weak mind and weak argument every time you say "No skill, ego junkies" then right?

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- you have seen me debate on one topic at length (
- this one ) & now you say
- ""With every word you right an analysis and result
- of
-- your mind and how it works is delivered to me""


It's easy to get to know someone's personality when they write opinions. It's observation, nothing more.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- your the one jumping to conclusions & then going off
- on a tangent & then say im the ignorant one ... well
- Gemini you know what i think about vultching only
- ... its arrogant to claim otherwise


I think your point might have a foundation if you left out the insults and stated an opinion other than "no skill". Why does EVERYONE who plays in a vulching server need to be labeled by you as having "no skill"? That's not an opinion; it's a baseless insult.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- you are wrong ... Vultching isnt a valid tactic & it
- is done by weak gamers ... ego killers ...this is a
- game... you aint taken back to the forties when you
- play .... letting ppl up off the ground comes down
- to having respect for other peoples desire to have
- fun & being a good sport .....
- thinking this is actually war is rediculous
- have you lost what it means to have fun in the game?
- do you aviod "miniscule" Dogfights cause you are
- only out to puff up your ego with kills ??


I think were getting down to the bottom of our misunderstanding. You see there are 'gamers' and then there are 'simmers'. Gamers want to play for points ("fun") while simmers want to play a simulation. This is a WWII simulation. It simulates WWII by putting you in the pilots seat. It's not just "Air Quake", oh boy let's fly around. It can simulate many aspects and historical missions flown in WWII. I feel sorry for 'gamers' because they miss out on so much of what this simulation has to offer. Note: 'Gamers' and 'Simmers' is not my label and it's not an insult. It's like saying 'Vulchers' and 'Non-vulchers.


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06-12-2003, 11:30 PM
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06-12-2003, 11:31 PM
help i need the cliff notes version

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 11:34 PM
cliff notes:

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at least, I THINK that's the short of it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 11:42 PM
PPPffftttt. Why frigging bother Gemini. Some ********s don't realize that Oleg designed this as a historic simulation. Destruction of the enemy wherever possible is the basis of war and that included air base attack. All stages of the air war are equally important and fun to play out. The scripted dogfight servers the BlitzPigs have been running are more fun the plain ole furball servers and doing a coop simply because in the plain ole mindless dog fight servers it's just take off, merge, fight, land, repeat. And the coops you spend the majority of the time waiting to start or waiting to get back into the game. The Scripted servers where you have several ways to win are the coolest, and vulching adds some of the greatest challenge and fun.
If ya don't like vulching stay the hell away from any server put up by a BlitzPig or our allies.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 11:58 PM
Dude, that IS one LONG MOFO of a post. Phew.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 12:39 AM
Hey Gem, hand cramps any better these days?

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 04:23 AM
AK-Rocket wrote: "Some
- ********s don't realize "

well some ********s dont realise that vulching is a crapola way to play

XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 04:31 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- AK-Rocket wrote: "Some
-- ********s don't realize "
-
- well some ********s dont realise that vulching is a
- crapola way to play


Not if it's accepted by the people who are playing on a particular server. They know it's coming so it becomes another part of the war simulation.


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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 05:09 AM
BpGemini wrote : "I know exactly what I'm replying to."

really

i said that Vultchers are crapola players & its a suck thing to do & you replied that im labelling a honorable & respectfull group of people ??!!??
wtf ?
are you serious ? your replying to the labelling of vultchers as a slander of honorable pilots ...

that sort of reply is a joke , Vultchers are not honorable pilots . killing planes that are not in a position to defend themselves aint a respectfull action ... its fair to call them skilless compared to taking on ppl who are in the air with them ... theres no comparison in the skill thats required

quote : "" really believe this great game is only about dogfights""

is that what i said is it ?? if you would read it i said the focus was on aireal combat ... do you take that to mean that i dont try anything else ?? if you do then your a person to make your own conclusions ... which you have been doing a great deal of with posting back attacks about ignorance when its you who are basing arguments on what you percieve as being stated rather than what was

quote ""Fortunately for us, FB is much much more. ""

so you do consider Dogfighting in a dogfight room to be a " miniscule " part of the gameplay ?!?
do you just fly around then ?

quote ""you
- shouldn't ignorantly insult and stereotype others
- who want more.""


did i say that ppl who dont dogfight are ignorant ?
no
did i say that ppl who do other things besides DF are skilless ?
no
so if i didnt do that then thats a baseless personal attack which you do a lot of rather than debating vulching
why dont you try it ... personal insults dont make you right even if they do make you feel better about what you replied with





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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 06:21 AM
BpGemini wrote: I have is with your lack of realization
BpGemini wrote:You use 'z' instead of 's'
BpGemini wrote: hope not because that's embarrassing to lack
- such English skills,
lol Gemini ... do realise that was what you typed out yourself ?


BpGemini wrote: In case you haven't figured it out by the
- ten plus times it's been mentioned , i dont vulch very often "

thats a false statement .. you havent mentioned it ten times
but you defend yourself posting quotes that do not have that statement in them ...
& you say i miss the point !?!
& you say im the one needing better reading skills !?!
you would do better to stay away from personl attacks & stick to the topic that is vultching
quote:""I know exactly what I'm replying to."" ... doesnt seem like it


quote"" so if I had a blind point of view ""
an opinion that is different qualifys as that does it ? why ? because you think you are right ?
does this also mean that everyone who doesnt think the same way as you are wrong ? ... tell me whos acting ignorant here ?



BpGemini wrote: "" Taking off under fire takes more ability/skill than taking off free and clear. You only know them as basic skills because you are use to taking off free and clear. It has become second nature to me""

well duh ... its second nature to anyone who can fly ...
you are only assuming that i only takeoff when its clear.....
if you would read then you would see : ""taxiing & taking off are basic skills which there is no secret too. If you manage to get up in the air while being vultched it isnt cause you are skillfull .... it cause the vultcher is crap at it""
i dont care weather you find it hard to get airborn or not ... taking off is the first requirement to flying ... its so easy its laughable that you call it a skill...

when you are on the ground & going to takeoff ... if the vultcher doesnt destroy you & you manage to get airborn then its because the vultcher wasnt very good at it ... NOT because you are good at taking off ... shooting objects on the ground
is easy ... if the vultcher cant finish properly its because he lacks a decent aim ... this does not mean that getting airborn is suddenly a " skill " ... its a basic that everybody learns



quote "How are they defenseless? Are you saying it takes too much skill and concentration to land that he's defenseless?"

the definition of vultching was shooting defenceless planes ... ones that were landing or taking off
when your landing you are slowing & trying to stay stable ... ie you aint in a position to DF ... you did understand that right ?

or are you going to rehash with a question about "how are they defenceless ?"


quote "He should be a wiser virtual pilot."
are you serious ?? we are discussing vultching landers & grounded & taking off planes ?? .. and how it relates to being a valid tactic ?
do you mean your plane never needs to land?


quote:""You actually believe it takes more skill to do this ===> ""

gemini what was it i typed ? i said it takes more skill to defend against a pilot with ALT & E than it does agaionstt a grounded plane ... are you going to disagree with this also ?



quote ""I'm saying you're ignorant because of your stereotypes""
why ? killing ppl on the ground is skilless ... its crap to do that to a person when you could be increasing his enjoyment by letting him up in the air ...
ppl who kill others on the ground show a real poor attitude to online dogfighting .. they are out for a ego stroking feeling of having killed somebody else ... doing in that way is a crapola way to play ... if you think your so good why not let them have a chance to fight back ?



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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 06:56 AM
Holy crap.
Long Post.
WAY longer than this one.



Way longer.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 06:10 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote : "I know exactly what I'm replying
- to."
-
- really
-
- i said that Vultchers are crapola players & its a
- suck thing to do & you replied that im labelling a
- honorable & respectfull group of people ??!!??
- wtf ?
-
- are you serious ? your replying to the labelling of
- vultchers as a slander of honorable pilots ...
-
- that sort of reply is a joke , Vultchers are not
- honorable pilots . killing planes that are not in a
- position to defend themselves aint a respectfull
- action ... its fair to call them skilless compared
- to taking on ppl who are in the air with them ...
- theres no comparison in the skill thats required


Yes really. Again, (and again and again) there's more to vulching than just the mean ol' bad guy that hovers over your base. If our squad is on a scripted server and we all know vulching/strafing is allowed then there's no harm no foul. You are degrading the character of my mates by putting them in your twisted close-minded stereotype. They are a respectful group of honorable people. I have seen them come together to help a member through his cancer treatment; I have seen them come together to help a member purchase a new computer stable enough for FB. These are honorable people whom over the last year and a half have become real friends outside of this game. We play this game as a simulation and if one of my buddies makes it through the CAP and flak and finds me in my cross hairs, more power to him. If wants to strafe me on the ground with a P-47 , he's more than welcome to try and I wont think any less of him. Although I may call him an asshat just for the fun of it.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote : "" really believe this great game is only
- about dogfights""
-
- is that what i said is it ?? if you would read it i
- said the focus was on aireal combat ... do you take
- that to mean that i dont try anything else ?? if
- you do then your a person to make your own
- conclusions ... which you have been doing a great
- deal of with posting back attacks about ignorance
- when its you who are basing arguments on what you
- percieve as being stated rather than what was
-
- quote ""Fortunately for us, FB is much much more. ""
-
- so you do consider Dogfighting in a dogfight room to
- be a " miniscule " part of the gameplay ?!?
- do you just fly around then ?


Have you never had any experience with a DF map set up with a Co-op atmosphere? An atmosphere with a goal or purpose? These are rhetorical and obvious questions they're intended to be mentally explored. Give it a try.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""you
-- shouldn't ignorantly insult and stereotype others
-- who want more.""
-
-
- did i say that ppl who dont dogfight are ignorant ?
- no
- did i say that ppl who do other things besides DF
- are skilless ?
- no
- so if i didnt do that then thats a baseless personal
- attack which you do a lot of rather than debating
- vulching
- why dont you try it ... personal insults dont make
- you right even if they do make you feel better about
- what you replied with


I am the one debating vulching. I have presented more plausible material here. You have mainly reiterated yourself and played with name-calling. I haven't called you anything other than ignorant and that ignorant statement was directly attached to your verbal labeling on a mass. If you lose the ignorant verbal attacks you would lose the ignorant stamp on your character. It's not my call.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote: I have is with your lack of
- realization
- BpGemini wrote:You use 'z' instead of 's'
- BpGemini wrote: hope not because that's embarrassing
- to lack
-- such English skills,
- lol Gemini ... do realise that was what you typed
- out yourself ?


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I didn't write "I have is with your lack of realization" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You did!! I was quoting you! Oh man that was good for a chuckle!! Did you miss the part where it reads: WUAF_Badsight wrote:?

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This is precisely what I wrote after your quote.
<table style="filter:glow[color=green,strength=2)"> "I know exactly what I'm replying to. Vulching should be allowed for the reasons I mention. My point is obvious to everyone except you. I truly want to believe there is a language barrier here. English can't be your first language, it just can't be. Either that or you're one cookie shy of a cookie jar. You use 'z' instead of 's' and post about 12 hours apart from me, so maybe you're from Australia, but I hope not because that's embarrassing to lack such English skills, while having English as your first language. I've kept my eyes and ears open to your posts and I'll continue to do so. I don't believe you have. You've missed on more topic points than I can believe possible for a mature English speaking/writing adult. Are you using a translation program or a translation website?" </table style>

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Man you know how to make a person laugh. I hope that was intentional.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote: In case you haven't figured it out
- by the
-- ten plus times it's been mentioned , i dont vulch very often "
-
- thats a false statement .. you havent mentioned it
- ten times
-
- but you defend yourself posting quotes that do not
- have that statement in them ...
- & you say i miss the point !?!
-
- & you say im the one needing better reading
- skills !?!
-
- you would do better to stay away from personl
- attacks & stick to the topic that is vultching
- quote:""I know exactly what I'm replying to.""
- ... doesnt seem like it


Read the text in red if they aren't exact quotes then they are very obvious indications that I don't vulch often rather protect against it. For example;<table style="filter:glow[color=red,strength=1)"> I try to point towards the vulcher, for one, to get a chance at a head-on shot, and for two, he'll need to turn around to make his next pass. </table style> You're not that dense, your grasping now. If you're not grasping then I'm afraid your ability to see in gray is lacking and you'll never grasp the reality that there are more avenues than you see.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote"" so if I had a blind point of view ""
- an opinion that is different qualifys as that does
- it ? why ? because you think you are right ?
- does this also mean that everyone who doesnt think
- the same way as you are wrong ? ... tell me whos
- acting ignorant here ?


Opinions aren't about right or wrong and debates involve opinions. The problem is you think all people who vulch are _____. That's not an opinion. There's opinion and then there's fact. To actually carry on a debatable conversation all parties involved need to be able to tell the difference. It is FACT that there are different reasons why people vulch and different characters involved in this act. You think it's your opinion when you lessen or cut short the reality of this. If you realize this fact then your ignorant labels go bye bye and your opinion becomes plausible.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote: "" Taking off under fire takes more
- ability/skill than taking off free and clear. You
- only know them as basic skills because you are use
- to taking off free and clear. It has become second
- nature to me""
-
- well duh ... its second nature to anyone who can fly
- ...
- you are only assuming that i only takeoff when its
- clear.....
- if you would read then you would see : ""taxiing &
- taking off are basic skills which there is no secret
- too. If you manage to get up in the air while being
- vultched it isnt cause you are skillfull .... it
- cause the vultcher is crap at it""
- i dont care weather you find it hard to get airborn
- or not ... taking off is the first requirement to
- flying ... its so easy its laughable that you call
- it a skill...


Do you think it would be easy to do with me vulching you? If someone skilled were vulching me I know I would have a better chance at survival than you. That shows a different level of skill at work therefore there is a basis of skill involved. You say it's laughable, then let me vulch you and let's see how easy it is.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- when you are on the ground & going to takeoff ... if
- the vultcher doesnt destroy you & you manage to get
- airborn then its because the vultcher wasnt very
- good at it ... NOT because you are good at taking
- off ... shooting objects on the ground
- is easy ... if the vultcher cant finish properly
- its because he lacks a decent aim ... this does
- not mean that getting airborn is suddenly a " skill
- " ... its a basic that everybody learns


Read above, let's find out.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "How are they defenseless? Are you saying it
- takes too much skill and concentration to land that
- he's defenseless?"
-
- the definition of vultching was shooting defenceless
- planes ... ones that were landing or taking off
- when your landing you are slowing & trying to
- stay stable ... ie you aint in a position to DF ...
- you did understand that right ?
-
-
- or are you going to rehash with a question about
- "how are they defenceless ?"


The answer is simple; I was interested in your opinion. It's my opinion that you lack the skill to land under pressure or keep a grasp of the dangers in your surroundings. You shouldn't get a free ride in and out of the base. Learn to watch when it's ok to land. It's no one else's fault if you went back to base in a position where you're unable to defend yourself.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote "He should be a wiser virtual pilot."
- are you serious ?? we are discussing vultching
- landers & grounded & taking off planes ?? .. and how
- it relates to being a valid tactic ?
- do you mean your plane never needs to land?


Obviously I need to land sometime. The point is learning when it's safe or making it safe to do so. You want a free and clear ride in and out. I don't think that helps you improve.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote:""You actually believe it takes more skill to
- do this ===> ""
-
- gemini what was it i typed ? i said it takes more
- skill to defend against a pilot with ALT & E than it
- does agaionstt a grounded plane ... are you going to
- disagree with this also ?


No that statement is an obvious one. Of course it takes more ability to kill a pilot with E than one with out. I'm not debating with you about that because I agree. I took this debate a step further by mentioning the reason some hosts allowing vulching is because it takes even more ability to get off the ground under fire and kill a higher E opponent. I'm making a case for why vulching is not all bad. It has its good points. Like defending against it. I should've made that more clear earlier. I do agree with the first mentioned statement. I just thought the answer was obvious or rhetorical. Now move on to my statement.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- quote ""I'm saying you're ignorant because of your
- stereotypes""
-
- why ? killing ppl on the ground is skilless ... its
- crap to do that to a person when you could be
- increasing his enjoyment by letting him up in the
- air ...
- ppl who kill others on the ground show a real poor
- attitude to online dogfighting .. they are out for a
- ego stroking feeling of having killed somebody else
- ... doing in that way is a crapola way to play ...
- if you think your so good why not let them have a
- chance to fight back ?


Ok, first we're going down the same redundant avenue here. Read the first paragraph for the majority of your answer. Your last sentence here bothers me a little. You said, "If you think your so good why not let them have a chance to fight back?" Didn't I make it clear that my point of view is from the defenders position? You keep saying I don't let them up. Vulching should be allowed for the challenge of getting in the air and taking out a higher E opponent. Quit going down the same redundant road and debate this. I've answered what I believe your stance is. If I haven't then fine, let me know. If I did, then take a look into my view. Can you honestly tell me it doesn't take more ability to get off the ground and destroy a higher E opponent?


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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 09:40 PM
Wingnaprayer wrote:
- Holy crap.
- Long Post.
- WAY longer than this one.
-
-
-
-
- Way longer.


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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 11:45 PM
Ctrl+F in IE will seach a page for text.

I use it in threads like this to find words that interest me... like my name, beer, sex, and so on.

I call it 'thread vulching'. I swoop down and pick only the parts I care about.

I only posted this tidbit in hopes that people would whine about something entirely different, for a change.

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XyZspineZyX
06-13-2003, 11:57 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Ctrl+F in IE will seach a page for text.
-
- I use it in threads like this to find words that
- interest me... like my name, beer, sex, and so on.
-
- I call it 'thread vulching'. I swoop down and pick
- only the parts I care about.
-
- I only posted this tidbit in hopes that people would
- whine about something entirely different, for a
- change.



I think this thread should be made a sticky. It'll keep the Billy Bobs of the future at bay.

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XyZspineZyX
06-14-2003, 12:01 AM
Ella Fitzgerald won the war, by the way. I can proove it using standard forum argument techniques.

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06-14-2003, 06:40 PM
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If you want i can create a script that will random generate sentences for you using the only 5 words you can use in your posts. It could help you save some time.




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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:37 AM
on page 4 BpGemini wrote: ""your lack of realization that you're labeling ""
but then on page 5 BpGemini wrote:
""because that's embarrassing to lack such English skills, while having English as your first language ""

LOL dont you realise that is YOUR OWN english skills you are talking about Gemini !!?!!



BpGemini wrote: ""In case you haven't figured it out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned , i dont vulch very often "
a false statement ... you havent ...
it wouldnt matter to me but you ridiculously paste statements that dont contain the phrase :
" i dont vulch very often "
as an argument supporting supporting your statement of saying it 10 plus times.....
i dont care about your indications ( which only in the loosest sense can be linked to be meaning " not very often ") as you were claiming to have said :
" i dont vulch very often "


which brings me to your reply when asked :
""you also havent explained why you think im arguing with honorable & respectfull people ???""
to which you answered:
""A: The honor is in over coming the challenge of being the defenseless plane; by not allowing vulching you avoid ever being able to overcome such challenges.""

Now what was it you were replying to ?? was it that Defending against Vultchers is skilless ?? or disrespectfull ??
excuse me if im wrong but i was attacking Vultchers being low life gamers
no where did i say anything about ppl who defend against vultchers
but off you go on your own tangent as if that was what was stated
your call on Honourable & respectfull was directed against the accusation of :
""vultching online is a crapola low life act""
now killing a guy when hes defenceless is anything BUT honorable ....
it DOESNT warrent respect as its a crap way to get a kill
anyone can do it ... even from a technical standpoint its the eaisest way to destroy a plane .... wheres the respect in doing a kill in the eaisest way possible ???

again ill repeat it ... YOU HAVENT A CLUE AS TO WHAT YOUR REPLYING TO...
i dont care if your squad mates help eatch other out ... if they vultch they are low life a$$holes
they are not playing respectfully
they are not acting honorably



now getting to the point of taking off whilst being vultched
quote: ""Do you think it would be easy to do with me vulching you? ""
my point exactly ..... with a person up in the air who has half decent aim , destroying a plane on the ground is no problem
quote : ""I know I would have a better chance at survival than you ""
quote : ""That shows a different level of skill at work ""
you are so full of yourself
what is it that makes you think that taking off is so hard ??
if you have trouble getting up in the air Gemini , dont assume others also find it difficult
whatever you do on the ground you are doing it super slow ... you are a sitting duck .....
destroying planes in that position IS EASY ... ( that was plain english if you missed it Gemini )
the point being is that if you survive & manage to get airborn then the vultcher is a really bad shot

taking off is the first thing you learn & with taxiing or taking off in a stright line as fast as possible there is very little about it

getting airborn whilst being vultched requires a vultcher that is crap at it ... it doesnt confer skill onto you Gemini


i dont think you dont have a point , just that you havent a clue as to what your replying too
if you feel the need to resort to character attacks to make yourself feel better about what you have replyed with thats ok ..... just make sure what it is your replying too
id like to think the Blitz Pigs dont recruit Dumb A$$es but it doesnt seem like it

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06-16-2003, 06:02 AM
hey that would be cool sharks write me oh by the way you left some words out of my quote lol

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:32 AM
Sorry i wrote to you about what... 2 days ago? This topic is outdated to me and you're like expired milk to me.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:50 AM
sorry i got a life i do spend days away from here you know how hard it is to refrain myself from letting go on you but my CO is sitting next to me and i already got in trouble once last week so back off

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 05:27 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- on page 4 BpGemini wrote: ""your lack of realization
- that you're labeling ""
- but then on page 5 BpGemini wrote:
- ""because that's embarrassing to lack such English
- skills, while having English as your first language
- ""
-
- LOL dont you realise that is YOUR OWN english skills
- you are talking about Gemini !!?!!


I said you spelled things differently so maybe you're from an English speaking country on the other side of the world. 'S' over 'z' is not "bad English". Spelling color like this 'colour' is not wrong. Here in the States we spell realize with a 'z' other countries use a 's'. I was pointing out that noticing your different spelling suggests that you could be from Australia, England, Canada... and so on. Noticing the time of your posts suggests Australia or another English speaking country in that time zone, unless of course you keep odd hours. Or more importantly, English is only your second or third language. These are just observations and are not part of my statement of 'lacking poor English skills'. The reason why I think you may lack poor English skills is because I've repeated several things that you don't seem to clue in on. For example you say 'No skill... yadda yadda' I clue in on that statement and then debate it. When I say something repeatedly that makes sense to everyone else you respond with 'No skill... yadda yadda'. You are not seeing both sides. There are a few things you've clued in on, like you countered with it's the lack of skill from the vulcher, which would help you survive on the ground. I don't agree, but at least you realized what I was saying.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- BpGemini wrote: ""In case you haven't figured it
- out by the ten plus times it's been mentioned , i
- dont vulch very often "
- a false statement ... you havent ...
-
- it wouldnt matter to me but you ridiculously paste
- statements that dont contain the phrase :
- " i dont vulch very often "
-
- as an argument supporting supporting your statement
- of saying it 10 plus times.....
- i dont care about your indications ( which only in
- the loosest sense can be linked to be meaning " not
- very often ") as you were claiming to have said :
- " i dont vulch very often "


This is the black and white closed-minded display I speak of. You are unable to form a conclusion from obvious statements. If I were to say, "I change my own oil and rotate my own tires" would it not be safe to say I own a car? Then if I were to tell you "I've already told you I own a car" would that not be true through said statement? Maybe from here on out, I should speak in complete black and white.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- which brings me to your reply when asked :
- ""you also havent explained why you think im
- arguing with honorable & respectfull people ???""
-
- to which you answered:
- ""A: The honor is in over coming the challenge
- of being the defenseless plane; by not allowing
- vulching you avoid ever being able to overcome such
- challenges.""
-
-
- Now what was it you were replying to ?? was it that
- Defending against Vultchers is skilless ?? or
- disrespectfull ??
- excuse me if im wrong but i was attacking Vultchers
- being low life gamers
- no where did i say anything about ppl who defend
- against vultchers
- but off you go on your own tangent as if that was
- what was stated
- your call on Honourable & respectfull was directed
- against the accusation of :
-
- ""vultching online is a crapola low life act""
-
- now killing a guy when hes defenceless is anything
- BUT honorable ....
- it DOESNT warrent respect as its a crap way to get a
- kill
- anyone can do it ... even from a technical
- standpoint its the eaisest way to destroy a plane
- .... wheres the respect in doing a kill in the
- eaisest way possible ???
-
- again ill repeat it ... YOU HAVENT A CLUE AS TO WHAT
- YOUR REPLYING TO...
- i dont care if your squad mates help eatch other out
- ... if they vultch they are low life a$$holes
- they are not playing respectfully
-
- they are not acting honorably


Actually you left out the other part of my answer. I gave you two answers one from each point of view. It's my opinion that there are Point ***** vulchers who only know how to get a kill by vulching and then you have guys who strafe like during scripted servers. Are both of these types of "vulchers" labeled as dishonorable and crapola in your black and white world? Do I think the Point ***** vulchers are dishonorable? I don't care to judge them. I'll just get up there and kick their arse. My point is NOT ALL vulchers/strafers are without honor even under your context.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- now getting to the point of taking off whilst being
- vultched
- quote: ""Do you think it would be easy to do with me
- vulching you? ""
- my point exactly ..... with a person up in the air
- who has half decent aim , destroying a plane on the
- ground is no problem
-
- quote : ""I know I would have a better chance at
- survival than you ""
- quote : ""That shows a different level of skill at
- work ""
- you are so full of yourself
- what is it that makes you think that taking off is
- so hard ??


I don't think talking off under fire is hard. I'm use to it. My point is taking off under fire is harder than taking off free and clear. It's very simple to understand, is it not? Lead in your direction, no matter how bad the shot is, is more difficult than no lead. I think you're pointing out that in this position, where you're on the ground that it is out of your hands whether you live or die. I see your point of view. I don't agree though. I think there are several things you can do to help your chances of survival. Things that come with experience (experience can equal skill). I wasn't trying to sound full of myself I was trying to be blunt and speak in a way you would understand.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- if you have trouble getting up in the air Gemini ,
- dont assume others also find it difficult
- whatever you do on the ground you are doing it super
- slow ... you are a sitting duck .....
- destroying planes in that position IS EASY ... (
- that was plain english if you missed it Gemini )
- the point being is that if you survive & manage to
- get airborn then the vultcher is a really bad shot
-
-
- taking off is the first thing you learn & with
- taxiing or taking off in a stright line as fast as
- possible there is very little about it
-
- getting airborn whilst being vultched requires a
- vultcher that is crap at it ... it doesnt confer
- skill onto you Gemini


Same explaination as above.

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- i dont think you dont have a point , just that you
- havent a clue as to what your replying too
- if you feel the need to resort to character attacks
- to make yourself feel better about what you have
- replyed with thats ok ..... just make sure what it
- is your replying too
- id like to think the Blitz Pigs dont recruit Dumb
- A$$es but it doesnt seem like it


"Pot this is kettle, come in Pot!" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif (It's a two-way road here)
I'll stop attacking your character. Let's see if you can do the same. Aside from the wasted sentences that involve character attacks I think we're making progress on our varied points of view. I've come across others with your same point of view. Only it didn't take them this long to see mine.


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