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Poodle_of_Doom
07-30-2011, 10:22 PM
This is actually kind of creepy. I'm a little freaked out, and disturbed by it. You remember when you unlock "The Truth" video? And it comes up all glitchy, and Rebecca tells you she's seeing a lot of data there? In all this static, there's a face that keeps appearing.

Before anyone says it, I know it's not necessarily S16, but I thought I'd throw it out there because it doesn't look like Adam or Eve.

That said, here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlynsNdO3XQ&feature=player_embedded) the whole scene, and video. In the static, watch for the face.

After many attempts, and hitting play and pause really fast to get a frame by frame play of it, I got a good cut of the face (from the high def video for you too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

What are your thoughts and feelings on all this? The face reminds me of the little boy from The Grudge.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Subject16.jpg

kalo.yanis
07-30-2011, 11:13 PM
First time I noticed that face I thought it was creepy as hell.

Still do.

I also thought that this might be 16's face, since the executable contains the data necessary to compile him.

ThaWhistle
07-30-2011, 11:23 PM
damn, that is creepy.

Poodle_of_Doom
07-30-2011, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
damn, that is creepy.

Very,... in fact,... I'd go so far as to say "Very f***ing creepy." Damn thing sends chills down my spine every freaking time I look at it. I can't help but to want to cower in fear and pray really.

Mutley_Rulz
07-31-2011, 04:16 AM
Ohai 16, you're looking...well.

Hayabusa Sushi
07-31-2011, 05:01 AM
Looks like it's wearing a hood or robe of somekind. Instantly reminded me of the image of Giovanni Borgia wrapped in the Shroud (of Turin):

http://images.wikia.com/assass.../8/8f/Revelation.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/8/8f/Revelation.jpg)

LightRey
07-31-2011, 06:35 AM
I can't believe I never noticed. It's actually quite easy to see if you're looking for it. I think it looks like a young boy/girl.

Account_Deleted
07-31-2011, 07:31 AM
this scared the S88T out of me the first time i saw it when unclocking. this could be the "sun/son" reference for desmond.. like a.. ultra sound or image?

Artemis88
07-31-2011, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Account_Deleted:
this scared the S88T out of me the first time i saw it when unclocking. this could be the "sun/son" reference for desmond.. like a.. ultra sound or image?

I was just about to mention the sonogram thing possibly being linked to the image of the girl/boy and the reference of "sun/son" by S16.

Still doesn't make this image any less creepy =s

Blind2Society
07-31-2011, 07:40 AM
This has been posted somewhat recently. In that thread it was suggested that the left half was Desmond and the right was Lucy. When I heard this I thought the right did bear a striking resemblance to Lucy so I did a little work in Gimp and this is what I came up with.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4008/lucytruth.jpg

Artemis88
07-31-2011, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Blind2Society:
This has been posted somewhat recently. In that thread it was suggested that the left half was Desmond and the right was Lucy. When I heard this I thought the right did bear a striking resemblance to Lucy so I did a little work in Gimp and this is what I came up with.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4008/lucytruth.jpg

Good work there Blind2Society!

I think if people are going to go along with the "it isn't Lucy" path, the could it possibly be the Eve that Desmond has to find?

tjbyrum1
07-31-2011, 08:15 AM
Wait, how is this picture creepy?

MonsterJunkese
07-31-2011, 08:51 AM
Wait, who is subject 16?

GlytchMeister
07-31-2011, 10:41 AM
[FACEPALM]

LMGTFY (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Subject+16)

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Artemis88:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Account_Deleted:
this scared the S88T out of me the first time i saw it when unclocking. this could be the "sun/son" reference for desmond.. like a.. ultra sound or image?

I was just about to mention the sonogram thing possibly being linked to the image of the girl/boy and the reference of "sun/son" by S16.

Still doesn't make this image any less creepy =s </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some of the comments on the video suggest it's a girl as well. I can't really tell. The whole thing looks like the person is looking out a window though.

rileypoole1234
07-31-2011, 10:50 AM
I remember reading somewhere that this is "cut up" video from an ultrasound or sonogram or something like that. It still is quite creepy. And on another thread there has been a debate started about how Subject 16 could in fact be a woman. Quite interesting stuff this is. I can't wait for ACR. So many things we need answered.

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
I remember reading somewhere that this is "cut up" video from an ultrasound or sonogram or something like that. It still is quite creepy. And on another thread there has been a debate started about how Subject 16 could in fact be a woman. Quite interesting stuff this is. I can't wait for ACR. So many things we need answered.

Nope, I'm combing over the video again now. I have some more pictures to post. I can definitively say that it's not an ultrasound. I suspect, from the pictures I'll be posting, that I could further suggest with their help that S16 is female.

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 01:24 PM
Well,.... I have more pictures for you. Hope you guys can help me put something together here. Or let me know if I'm wrong, right, or someplace in between.

First and foremost, I believe I should give a slightly better picture of the face. This is it:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Face2.jpg
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Onward to the next set of images. Above, I stated it could not be an ultrasound. Why? Because the ultrasound doesn't have adult hands in it, like:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/HandPerson.jpg

Or this:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Hand2.jpg

Also, I believe whoever this is, they're an Assassin. Look at the way the hand is posed in the picture above. Now, check out the ring on this picture:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Hand3.jpg

It's right where it should be for a hidden blade.

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Now, in the original picture I used, I had cropped it down a little bit. Having looked at it closer, I realized something. There appears to be a couple other images of people there. Two other people in I suspect. I'll address each individually.

In the original photo, it appears as if the face is behind a window. As a refresher, here's the first photo again:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Subject16.jpg

Now, behind that person and to the right side of the picture, there is another figure. Do you see it? Let me help you:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/AnotherPersonb.jpg

Do you see it now? Try it without the outline:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/AnotherPersonc.jpg

There's more....

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These pictures basically come from one general spot in the film. The better picture of the face, and the two of the hands alone are from different spots. The film itself is on a loop, and repeats the same images over and over again.

That said, the basic scene looks like this:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/HandPerson.jpg

Look at the face, and move your eyes up, and to the left just a little. Do you see the shadowy figure there? This one I'm not to sure about myself, but it appears as if there's someone standing there, in the shadows, hidden away. Allow me to show you where I'm looking:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/HandPerson2.jpg

Do you see this in the image as well, or is it just me?

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Also, I can derive a way to figure out the approximate size, and weight, of each of these people if you guys would want me to. I can even post an expanded version of the math for you folks if you'd like to see how I'd do it.

The picture of the face would probably be the hardest on to do, because I'd have the least to go on. The shadowy figure on the right would be simple. And if we all agree that there's a third person in the photo to the left of the face, I can try to figure out that if you folks want as well.

So far, what does everyone think?

breedlove94
07-31-2011, 01:38 PM
I think I won't be able to sleep tonight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Artemis88
07-31-2011, 01:40 PM
Holy moly! Thank you for the image/video breakdown =)

Well thanks for that, I'll be going to sleep with that creepy face in mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


I still have a feeling that the person looking out the window as you stated is possibly the "Eve" that Desmond has to find. Whoever it is is definitely female - evident by a rather feminine hairstyle and fringe.

The first person that you say is hidden looks like it's looking towards the woman.

The second looks like it's either disappearing into or emerging from the shadows.

The hand as you said looks familiar to an Assassin's.

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Artemis88:
Holy moly! Thank you for the image/video breakdown =)

Well thanks for that, I'll be going to sleep with that creepy face in mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


I still have a feeling that the person looking out the window as you stated is possibly the "Eve" that Desmond has to find. Whoever it is is definitely female - evident by a rather feminine hairstyle and fringe.

The first person that you say is hidden looks like it's looking towards the woman.

The second looks like it's either disappearing into or emerging from the shadows.

The hand as you said looks familiar to an Assassin's.

You're welcome for the break down. I'm happy to have done it. Frankly, I'm thinking about taking another run at it do. Aside from the images I've pointed out, and how they loop, I believe there has to be something more in the static. As I've already mentioned several times, the images loop. Watching the static, however, it does not. I believe thereís something to be had there too. I just don't know what it could be.

Pleasant dreams be upon you, and I hope I've not disturbed your sleep to much. The face reminds me of the little boy in The Grudge, if you've ever seen that.

As for the first person, and them facing the woman, I believe they were facing the woman too. In regards to the second person, I'm not fully convinced that it's even a person there. At this point, I may have been looking to hard at the photos, trying to find things. However, the more I look at it, the more I do think that there is something there.

On the subject of the hands, I do believe they are that of an adult, and of an Assassin. The placement of the ring is correct for a hidden blade.

I never knew there was so much to be had in that video. I'm actually kind of excited to have latched onto this.

Artemis88
07-31-2011, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
You're welcome for the break down. I'm happy to have done it. Frankly, I'm thinking about taking another run at it do. Aside from the images I've pointed out, and how they loop, I believe there has to be something more in the static. As I've already mentioned several times, the images loop. Watching the static, however, it does not. I believe thereís something to be had there too. I just don't know what it could be.

Pleasant dreams be upon you, and I hope I've not disturbed your sleep to much. The face reminds me of the little boy in The Grudge, if you've ever seen that.

As for the first person, and them facing the woman, I believe they were facing the woman too. In regards to the second person, I'm not fully convinced that it's even a person there. At this point, I may have been looking to hard at the photos, trying to find things. However, the more I look at it, the more I do think that there is something there.

On the subject of the hands, I do believe they are that of an adult, and of an Assassin. The placement of the ring is correct for a hidden blade.

I never knew there was so much to be had in that video. I'm actually kind of excited to have latched onto this.

I was only joking about the face in my sleep thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I've just watched it again and have noticed something else on the far right but I can't make out what it is =s

Account_Deleted
07-31-2011, 03:27 PM
@poodle_of_doom
thanks for the brake down , when the picture is bigger with the " the" i can't really spot out the figure shadow. but i never notice the hand and thanks for point that out.


also at one point maybe this kid is from a different time period? . i was thinking like one the the poor kids that lived among the city and stuff.

or this could of been S16 when he was younger and how he got recruited?

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Artemis88:
I was only joking about the face in my sleep thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I've just watched it again and have noticed something else on the far right but I can't make out what it is =s

I assume that you are talking about the following image:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Unknown1a.jpg

I couldn't make it out either. I've enlarged the photo. It does appear frequently. As I have no explanation, I didn't present it. I did take the opportunity to magnify it, courtesy of Internet Explorers magnification options. The following is what I see magnified by 400%:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Uknown1b.jpg

If you have any guess you'd wish to lobby, I'd be happy to hear it.

Again, I'm fairly certain I've found something in the static. Getting it to stop on the right spot and identify it is becoming a pain though.

MonsterJunkese
07-31-2011, 03:53 PM
Is subject 16 a whale? But really who is she?

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Account_Deleted:
@poodle_of_doom
thanks for the brake down , when the picture is bigger with the " the" i can't really spot out the figure shadow. but i never notice the hand and thanks for point that out.


also at one point maybe this kid is from a different time period? . i was thinking like one the the poor kids that lived among the city and stuff.

or this could of been S16 when he was younger and how he got recruited?

I'm happy to break it down and point stuff out. I'm amazed by just how much is within that video. I dunno if it's from another time period or not. I hope ubisoft will address it.

Who knows. I guess we have no definitive clues as to who S16 is. For all we know, he could of been a child, though I doubt that.


Originally posted by MonsterJunkese:
Is subject 16 a whale? But really who is she?

As for you, it's been googled for you. Check the wiki out. Or better yet, allow me to refer you to the game. Have you played Assassins Creed?

MonsterJunkese
07-31-2011, 06:10 PM
Yes I have played all of them, Thus why Im on the forum young padwon....

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by MonsterJunkese:
Yes I have played all of them, Thus why Im on the forum young padwon....

Then, I refer you back to the three previously available options. Or, if you prefer, I can explain who Lucy and Desmond here as well...

MonsterJunkese
07-31-2011, 07:39 PM
Well padown, I know who lucy and desmond are but not subject 16

Poodle_of_Doom
07-31-2011, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by MonsterJunkese:
Well padown, I know who lucy and desmond are but not subject 16

He's only the fifth or so character you were introduced to. Do me a favor, let's leave this topic alone, for those willing to speculate on the pictures I've provided. In the mean time, do some fact checking, and get back to me.

Artemis88
08-01-2011, 01:54 AM
@Poodle_of_Doom - Yes that's the one! The image I kept seeing was the side of someone's fist O_O.

Take your right hand, clench into a fist and look at the shape that your index finger and thumb make.

I don't know why, but it just resembled that (I don't have the software to slow down the video hence me having to watch the one youtube constantly)

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 02:16 AM
There's another image, forgive me but you'll have to check the youtube vid for this because I don't know how to post it.

It's easy to spot. Keep your eyes on the left of the screen. You'll notice a white face. Human? I don't know. To me it looked like a demon but I'm positive something was there. It's easier to see because its white on a black background. See for yourself in the video.

Also (I recommend playing your own copy of ACB for this one) play the clips but instead listen to them. There's voices in them, that I'm 100% sure on. Some clips have the same audio, others are different but with multiple voices. All I could make out was the following, "..is not easy." That was said by a woman I'm sure. Anything else I couldn't make out. Maybe one of you can figure out the rest of what they are saying.

Also, this may support what one person was saying about how there's more than one person in the video. Multiple people 'and' multiple voices? I think there's a connection there.

One last thing. The very last picture that was posted, the magnified one. I think some people said it was a hand but here's my guess. (this is hard for me to word) think of it like a video in a video. That image seemed like you were suppose to look 'through' it and see something inside. Almost as if it its a fragment of a larger video.

Account_Deleted
08-01-2011, 06:49 AM
@P_O_D

i was talking about this one http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/HandPerson.jpg

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 08:25 AM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Uknown1b.jpg

This is the image I was referring to earlier. The "video inside a video" part. Look at what appears to be a hand. To me it looks like you're suppose to look through this image. Like its a fragment of a larger image.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-01-2011, 10:35 AM
@ Account Deleted:

Here is the picture you mentioned. Iíve taken the liberty of blowing it up by 300%, and cropping it down to the specific piece of the picture I was talking about.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Facesclose.jpg

Now, I've managed to box in the faces for you, so you could see them both. I did both, so that I could show people who may have missed both.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/FacesHighlighted.jpg

The shadowy figure I think I see is on the left. I'm not sure if that actually is a figure though. I've also drawn three arrows to other suspected portions of whatever, or whomever, this may be.

@Artemis88, and Mikatsuki95:

I'm not certain that is a hand, as I can't really tell what it looks like. I couldn't begin to speculate as to it being a video in a video either. As I had said before, I never included it the first time around, because I couldn't tell you what it is, or was. I have no hypothesis on it.

Also, Mika, I thought I had seen something within the static on that side of the screen, but hadn't yet broken that down. I will try to isolate it, and get back to you on it.

And Artemis, I don't have any special equipment, or programming for this either. I've blown it up to full screen, on high definition, and hit play/pause really quick. From there, I've been searching every frame as best I could. I'd blow things up using IE's magnifier. I generate images via print screen. And edit them in paint. I upload them to photobucket, or other hosting site, and use the Display image BBC code to get them in my posts. I hope this helps you. If you notice anything, try to snag it the same as I've been doing, and put it up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LightRey
08-01-2011, 10:57 AM
I think some of you have become victim of the human mind's tendency to see human faces in random patterns. Yes, there are two halves of faces visible (possibly from the same person, though it doesn't really look that way), but the rest are most likely your minds playing tricks on you.

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 11:36 AM
You bring up a decent point. I hope the one I mentioned about a nonhuman face is something others will see as well. I checked many times to make sure I wasn't just seeing things.

And can somebody else please play clip 3 in ASB again? I mentioned it before about the voices. Its in that one.

Steww-
08-01-2011, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
I think some of you have become victim of the human mind's tendency to see human faces in random patterns. Yes, there are two halves of faces visible (possibly from the same person, though it doesn't really look that way), but the rest are most likely your minds playing tricks on you.

I'd go along with this.

If you look closely, there's some flaws with the outlined bodies (I don't think I need to go into detail about them). Some people will just overlook this though, and try to convince themselves that it is a body. It's not their fault, to be fair.

The finger with a ring is the kind of clarity that's needed.

I also agree the video holds a lot of importance, and there was a thread somewhere with interpretations of the voices during it. It will probably help in working out what is being said.

OGCFB
08-01-2011, 12:28 PM
There is actually 4 people in the picture I see a 4th face that looks like the hand belongs to.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-01-2011, 12:53 PM
I'll go along with Lightrey, Steww-, and Mika on this as well. People do have a tendency to see whatever they think they see. When they seem random shapes, it's been shown that people to will try to compare them to known objects and shapes to help them make sense of them. I would only imagine this is especially true if one has a specific idea suggest to them, as I have suggested to many of you. Alas, I hope I've not swayed people to much, as I always hope you'd be able to make up your own damn mind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

That said, I have something else to point out, and I hope that someone can help me with this. I see what looks like an audio file, with the sound spikes. I don't know if someone has audio equipment, or resources, but if someone could try to translate it into sound, that would be great.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/SoundBite.jpg

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 01:29 PM
I support you there on the audio part. I hope somebody can figure out just what the hell is being said in those clips. It could reveal some real interesting stuff.

rileypoole1234
08-01-2011, 01:40 PM
Yes I might be able to do it with some audio editing things but I won't be able to post it, I'd just have to write what I hear. And also now I believe this is Eve, as 16 say Desmond must find her, this video might be a hint to who or where she is. But i'm not sure. I will get back to you all with what I hear with the audio.

ULT1M4T3
08-01-2011, 01:45 PM
There was a topic about the voices already:

Cluster Audio Clarified! [Possible Spoiler?] (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4071056029)

You might want to see that.

rileypoole1234
08-01-2011, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by ULT1M4T3:
There was a topic about the voices already:

Cluster Audio Clarified! [Possible Spoiler?] (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4071056029)

You might want to see that.

Thanks mate now I don't have to do anything hahah. I might have a look anyway just to see for myself.

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Thanks for that link, I just checked. I'd still like the person who offered to check the audio and see what they came up with. Maybe their interpretation will be similar maybe not, but it would be nice to have another person check.

rileypoole1234
08-01-2011, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Thanks for that link, I just checked. I'd still like the person who offered to check the audio and see what they came up with. Maybe their interpretation will be similar maybe not, but it would be nice to have another person check.
Don't worry i'm downloading the audio into my program now mate

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 02:13 PM
Thanks, much appreciated

UchihaKarasu
08-01-2011, 02:46 PM
Geez, I come back to visit after a who knows how long absence, and I get nightmares XD
(Actually, I hardly recognize any of you)

Great find though, I never noticed.

rileypoole1234
08-01-2011, 02:53 PM
Okay I've made some very creepy discoveries while sifting through the audio of the tape. I'll explain those later. After listening to the conversation between Desmond and 16, I decided to mess around with that. I remembered the theories that 16 could be female, so I decided why not slightly raise the pitch. The results shocked me a bit. You may think differently if you do this, but 16s voice sounded remarkably female when I raised the pitch slightly. Desmond sounded like a high pitch male, but 16 sounded female, like Rebecca's voice. Then I started to sift through the cluster at the beginning. The first thing I noticed was a woman's voice that was seemingly saying "Choose me". Like Eve beckoning for Desmond. I also heard things like "Just pick me(or just pick one?)" "I told you" seems to be repeated over and over again. Before I heard "Choose me" It sounds like a voice is saying(louder than the rest) "Chooooose" or "Yoooouuu". Really it's a very odd thing to listen to. You hear one thing and then you listen again and it's something different. If I find anything worth while I'll post it because I feel i've done a bad job actually. Hopefully I'll be able to find something else. And i'm not sure about the other thread about this, because I heard absolutely none of that.

LightRey
08-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Okay I've made some very creepy discoveries while sifting through the audio of the tape. I'll explain those later. After listening to the conversation between Desmond and 16, I decided to mess around with that. I remembered the theories that 16 could be female, so I decided why not slightly raise the pitch. The results shocked me a bit. You may think differently if you do this, but 16s voice sounded remarkably female when I raised the pitch slightly. Desmond sounded like a high pitch male, but 16 sounded female, like Rebecca's voice. Then I started to sift through the cluster at the beginning. The first thing I noticed was a woman's voice that was seemingly saying "Choose me". Like Eve beckoning for Desmond. I also heard things like "Just pick me(or just pick one?)" "I told you" seems to be repeated over and over again. Before I heard "Choose me" It sounds like a voice is saying(louder than the rest) "Chooooose" or "Yoooouuu". Really it's a very odd thing to listen to. You hear one thing and then you listen again and it's something different. If I find anything worth while I'll post it because I feel i've done a bad job actually. Hopefully I'll be able to find something else. And i'm not sure about the other thread about this, because I heard absolutely none of that.
Subject 16 is voiced by a man, Cam Clarke.
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Cam_Clarke

rileypoole1234
08-01-2011, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Okay I've made some very creepy discoveries while sifting through the audio of the tape. I'll explain those later. After listening to the conversation between Desmond and 16, I decided to mess around with that. I remembered the theories that 16 could be female, so I decided why not slightly raise the pitch. The results shocked me a bit. You may think differently if you do this, but 16s voice sounded remarkably female when I raised the pitch slightly. Desmond sounded like a high pitch male, but 16 sounded female, like Rebecca's voice. Then I started to sift through the cluster at the beginning. The first thing I noticed was a woman's voice that was seemingly saying "Choose me". Like Eve beckoning for Desmond. I also heard things like "Just pick me(or just pick one?)" "I told you" seems to be repeated over and over again. Before I heard "Choose me" It sounds like a voice is saying(louder than the rest) "Chooooose" or "Yoooouuu". Really it's a very odd thing to listen to. You hear one thing and then you listen again and it's something different. If I find anything worth while I'll post it because I feel i've done a bad job actually. Hopefully I'll be able to find something else. And i'm not sure about the other thread about this, because I heard absolutely none of that.
Subject 16 is voiced by a man, Cam Clarke.
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Cam_Clarke </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes I know but still, maybe they chose him for a reason. I doubt it though.

LightRey
08-01-2011, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Okay I've made some very creepy discoveries while sifting through the audio of the tape. I'll explain those later. After listening to the conversation between Desmond and 16, I decided to mess around with that. I remembered the theories that 16 could be female, so I decided why not slightly raise the pitch. The results shocked me a bit. You may think differently if you do this, but 16s voice sounded remarkably female when I raised the pitch slightly. Desmond sounded like a high pitch male, but 16 sounded female, like Rebecca's voice. Then I started to sift through the cluster at the beginning. The first thing I noticed was a woman's voice that was seemingly saying "Choose me". Like Eve beckoning for Desmond. I also heard things like "Just pick me(or just pick one?)" "I told you" seems to be repeated over and over again. Before I heard "Choose me" It sounds like a voice is saying(louder than the rest) "Chooooose" or "Yoooouuu". Really it's a very odd thing to listen to. You hear one thing and then you listen again and it's something different. If I find anything worth while I'll post it because I feel i've done a bad job actually. Hopefully I'll be able to find something else. And i'm not sure about the other thread about this, because I heard absolutely none of that.
Subject 16 is voiced by a man, Cam Clarke.
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Cam_Clarke </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes I know but still, maybe they chose him for a reason. I doubt it though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I think him sounding female when you raise the pitch is more likely because he talks like he's out of breath all the time.

grevemoeskr
08-01-2011, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee204/devilman2045/Uknown1b.jpg

If you have any guess you'd wish to lobby, I'd be happy to hear it.

Again, I'm fairly certain I've found something in the static. Getting it to stop on the right spot and identify it is becoming a pain though.

I know it has nothing to do with all the other stuff in the video, but am I the only one seeing the hammer and sickle?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/5/56/20050420155507!Hammer_sickle_clean.png

I know it's different but I think it kinda looks like it, if you turn the hammer upside down.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-01-2011, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Okay I've made some very creepy discoveries while sifting through the audio of the tape. I'll explain those later. After listening to the conversation between Desmond and 16, I decided to mess around with that. I remembered the theories that 16 could be female, so I decided why not slightly raise the pitch. The results shocked me a bit. You may think differently if you do this, but 16s voice sounded remarkably female when I raised the pitch slightly. Desmond sounded like a high pitch male, but 16 sounded female, like Rebecca's voice. Then I started to sift through the cluster at the beginning. The first thing I noticed was a woman's voice that was seemingly saying "Choose me". Like Eve beckoning for Desmond. I also heard things like "Just pick me(or just pick one?)" "I told you" seems to be repeated over and over again. Before I heard "Choose me" It sounds like a voice is saying(louder than the rest) "Chooooose" or "Yoooouuu". Really it's a very odd thing to listen to. You hear one thing and then you listen again and it's something different. If I find anything worth while I'll post it because I feel i've done a bad job actually. Hopefully I'll be able to find something else. And i'm not sure about the other thread about this, because I heard absolutely none of that.

Can you do us a favor, and maybe upload the sound bites somewhere, perhaps youtube, so that we can listen in as well? Maybe we'll catch something you haven't, or have a different take on it.

At that, they might of chose Cam Clarke to be the voice of S16 for reasons I've previously mentioned. I know that I've said before that maybe S16 was masking their true voice to hide who they really were. If they were making themselves sound like a man, it would make sense to have a male voice actor for the time being.


Originally posted by grevemoeskr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:

(image removed)

If you have any guess you'd wish to lobby, I'd be happy to hear it.

Again, I'm fairly certain I've found something in the static. Getting it to stop on the right spot and identify it is becoming a pain though.

I know it has nothing to do with all the other stuff in the video, but am I the only one seeing the hammer and sickle?

(image removed)

I know it's different but I think it kinda looks like it, if you turn the hammer upside down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, this is something I saw as well. I just thought that it was me, and wasn't really relevant. Nice catch though. I see it too...

Systems65
08-01-2011, 08:07 PM
If u find this face crepy or scary ur a sissy lil girl dog. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Poodle_of_Doom
08-01-2011, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Systems65:
If u find this face crepy or scary ur a sissy lil girl dog. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Well now.... wasn't that anti climatic.

Subject_4
08-01-2011, 10:23 PM
I have made this available, all 50 unique frames assuming that everything after is truly a repeat, it was checked only cursorily for the repeat point.

Frames (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/) http://s1131.photobucket.com/a...e%20visible%20truth/ (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/)

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-01-2011, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
I have made this available, all 50 unique frames assuming that everything after is truly a repeat, it was checked only cursorily for the repeat point.

Frames (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/) http://s1131.photobucket.com/a...e%20visible%20truth/ (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/)

Subject 4

Did you notice it repeating as well, or was that something I may of seen through my minds eye so to speak?

Mikatsuki95
08-01-2011, 11:03 PM
Very helpful and very impressive. Image 14 and the last ten really caught my attention. In image 48 you can clearly some fingertips in the bottom right. If I can word this right then this means that those clips are just a mixture of fragmented and misplaced images all thrown into the same screen. At least i would like to think that but i can't be completely sure on that. Man the closer we get the more I want revelations to hurry and come out.

Edit:maybe your "mind's eye" did notice something. Maybe the entirety of the clip isn't what's repeating so to speak, but a couple of distinct but subtle images in the background. Like its just a few parts repeating in the video, not the whole video itself if you get what I mean.

Subject_4
08-02-2011, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
I have made this available, all 50 unique frames assuming that everything after is truly a repeat, it was checked only cursorily for the repeat point.

Frames (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/) http://s1131.photobucket.com/a...e%20visible%20truth/ (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/)

Subject 4

Did you notice it repeating as well, or was that something I may of seen through my minds eye so to speak? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I Briefly compared selected frames; they are identical save the "Miracle is in the execution" text. I will look through it more thoroughly at a later time.

Subject 4

Artemis88
08-02-2011, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
I have made this available, all 50 unique frames assuming that everything after is truly a repeat, it was checked only cursorily for the repeat point.

Frames (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/) http://s1131.photobucket.com/a...e%20visible%20truth/ (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/The%20visible%20truth/)

Subject 4

Thank you so much for the frame breakdown as well Subject_4!! The "fist" I thought I saw is image 11 of 50 in that album you created for the images.

Account_Deleted
08-02-2011, 03:22 AM
with people saying this messege is scrambled *which is is*

any one thought about how it's like a jigsaw puzzle but playing on a vibrating table? so you got repeice e.g

on at 0.04 it could show the left side of subject a's face
but on 0:08 it could show the right side of subject a's face..

Subject_4
08-02-2011, 04:30 AM
Comositing Error: Alpha
insufficient data found in: 3, 15, 18, 50.
Compositing remaining data at common level 14.
Result found.
http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/thismeansnothing.jpg

P.S This is probably anomolous.
Subject 4

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 06:10 AM
miracle is in the execution

I'm guessing they split that phrase up to isolate the exe ala .exe the program to run to see S16. If that is true then why is this a "miracle"? Could it be pertaining to the miracle of life? Maybe S16 was S15's son? Just thinking out loud.

LightRey
08-02-2011, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
miracle is in the execution

I'm guessing they split that phrase up to isolate the exe ala .exe the program to run to see S16. If that is true then why is this a "miracle"? Could it be pertaining to the miracle of life? Maybe S16 was S15's son? Just thinking out loud.
The miracle is in the execution is a hint that it's not actually a video file.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 08:00 AM
I think he meant he only gets like half the phrase. The "execution" part refers to the executable file but 'inside' the executable file he doesn't know what "miracle" they are referring to and neither do I. I mean inside it we find what apparently is 16 made out of like binary who gives us some degraded message. Not sure what about any of that is a "miracle". But 16's weird messages have never been that straight forward.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 09:10 AM
I was going to try to render a 3d model of the face. However, the programs I found either seemed to sketchy to download, cost money, or weren't legitimate sites (redirects to others). Does anyone have this capability already?

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 09:19 AM
I don't think you'll get much off that face. Look at the nose, its small and flat, like that of a baby. There's also the hand with the ring, maybe they are trying to convey something about a baby and its parents.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
I don't think you'll get much off that face. Look at the nose, its small and flat, like that of a baby. There's also the hand with the ring, maybe they are trying to convey something about a baby and its parents.

Perhaps... I'm not sure as to anything. To be honest, everything we discuss about it is pure speculation. Anything is possible.

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zerocooll21:
I don't think you'll get much off that face. Look at the nose, its small and flat, like that of a baby. There's also the hand with the ring, maybe they are trying to convey something about a baby and its parents.

Perhaps... I'm not sure as to anything. To be honest, everything we discuss about it is pure speculation. Anything is possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 01:04 PM
yeah that is true. The whole time I've played all the AC games hardly any of my questions get answered. Answer one, two more pop up and are even harder to figure out.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 01:12 PM
The whole thing for me is that it would be nice to have a 3d image of the face to look at. Just so we could actually see the person we're looking at.

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 01:15 PM
It could be b/c its not meant to convey a sense of identity but rather a presence.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 01:53 PM
Yeah that's a good point. Maybe its trying to say there's someone inside the animus in a sense. Or maybe some people. I mean we at least know this much about the clip:there is a face in there. There is more than one voice talking in the clip. One of the voices is definitely female.

Now I'm not sure there's more than one person in the clip but I'd like to believe there is. So combine the multiple voices with multiple images of people, then this could mean if there is a presence inside the animus, its not alone.

But I've have one question here. This was made and left behind by 16 no doubt about that. whatever this clip is, my question is where did he get it? It's not like the truth parts where he got that information from hacking into abstergo's files.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
But I've have one question here. This was made and left behind by 16 no doubt about that. whatever this clip is, my question is where did he get it? It's not like the truth parts where he got that information from hacking into abstergo's files.

Acutally, he could of. You don't know whats been seen by the other subjects, and their ancestors. For all we know, this popped up in a memory someplace, and that memory got recorded.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 03:32 PM
If this clip is a memory then its a (pardon my language) really fu**ed up one. I mean I'd like to believe its a memory, that's one less mystery for us. But I don't know. But you reminded me of something I forgot

Anytime when you start playing a puzzle and the animus voice is talking, did anybody notice that long moving white strand in the background? Its the exact same one you see whenever your accessing memories for a replay. minus all the dates and info places above it its exactly the same. That much I know. Is that a reference to some kind of genetic memory in the truth? That I don't know

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If this clip is a memory then its a (pardon my language) really fu**ed up one. I mean I'd like to believe its a memory, that's one less mystery for us. But I don't know. But you reminded me of something I forgot

Anytime when you start playing a puzzle and the animus voice is talking, did anybody notice that long moving white strand in the background? Its the exact same one you see whenever your accessing memories for a replay. minus all the dates and info places above it its exactly the same. That much I know. Is that a reference to some kind of genetic memory in the truth? That I don't know

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your referencing. Do you have a video link? Maybe I could spot it that way...

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 04:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XdAAfNBBAA&feature=player_detailpage)

I just grabbed the first decent quality video I saw. Now after you see Ezio walk through the block and the animus starts talking its right in the background.

Subject_4
08-02-2011, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If this clip is a memory then its a (pardon my language) really fu**ed up one. I mean I'd like to believe its a memory, that's one less mystery for us. But I don't know. But you reminded me of something I forgot

Anytime when you start playing a puzzle and the animus voice is talking, did anybody notice that long moving white strand in the background? Its the exact same one you see whenever your accessing memories for a replay. minus all the dates and info places above it its exactly the same. That much I know. Is that a reference to some kind of genetic memory in the truth? That I don't know

A stylized DNA strand.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 05:05 PM
That's the name yeah. Although I'm curious why they placed there in the first place. Probably just for show but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If this clip is a memory then its a (pardon my language) really fu**ed up one. I mean I'd like to believe its a memory, that's one less mystery for us. But I don't know. But you reminded me of something I forgot

Anytime when you start playing a puzzle and the animus voice is talking, did anybody notice that long moving white strand in the background? Its the exact same one you see whenever your accessing memories for a replay. minus all the dates and info places above it its exactly the same. That much I know. Is that a reference to some kind of genetic memory in the truth? That I don't know

A stylized DNA strand.

Subject 4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. I didn't think it was anything relevant.

rileypoole1234
08-02-2011, 06:53 PM
Mates I'm starting to believe this is an ultrasound of an unborn baby. Could Lucy be pregnant? I doubt it, but it's a possibility. Maybe it's pointing to Desmond needing to have a child with Eve. I'm not a hundred percent sure about all this but I doubt we'll see 16s face in this if it's an ultrasound.

Bipolar Matt
08-02-2011, 07:25 PM
All speculation, but dang, this thread is fun!

I'm curious as to what creepy things we'll find in the Animus now that Desmond is all on his own.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 07:38 PM
Yeah cuz if anyone played the da vinvi dlc after beating the game, apparently he's just left in the animus while they go hunt for the POE. Although I wonder if he'll still have a handler or Shaun with him to keep the database alive. I doubt they'll remove that. But I got off topic.

Some say the Desmond trailer and the face in the clip scare them. i could understand that. They're probably scared due to ignorance. I mean idk what the hell that face is or what we'll find in the Black Room. Out of all the stories I've seen this one is the most mysterious.

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
All speculation, but dang, this thread is fun!

I'm curious as to what creepy things we'll find in the Animus now that Desmond is all on his own.

in the revelations desmond vid there's a list of memories someone decoded. Looks like those are the memories he'll see including one of S16.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 08:11 PM
Whoa where did you see that? Here I linked the trailer for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjL8sDM32n8&feature=player_detailpage)

Like point to the time where you saw it

Poodle_of_Doom
08-02-2011, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Whoa where did you see that? Here I linked the trailer for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjL8sDM32n8&feature=player_detailpage)

Like point to the time where you saw it

I'll find the thread, and relative posts for you soon. It was on another topic.

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 09:17 PM
Thanks, I appreciate it

zerocooll21
08-03-2011, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Whoa where did you see that? Here I linked the trailer for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjL8sDM32n8&feature=player_detailpage)

Like point to the time where you saw it

22 second mark you see a loading screen that flash's really fast.

Thread with codes;

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/7011084929 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/7011084929)

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 03:54 PM
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/wastingmytim3/animus2.jpg
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa354/wastingmytim3/animus3.jpg


Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
Thanks to Killarag's post here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5181026566/m/7481091929?r=8921054929#8921054929), we know there are hexadecimal numbers at the end of these lines as well, and their decryption. Here's the screenshot of that:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4568/screenshot20110606at112.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/screenshot20110606at112.png/)

Just for text reference, the hexadecimal numbers are:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">54 68 72 65 65 20 6c 69 76 65
73 20 74 6f 69 6c 65 64 2e 20
54 68 72 65 65 20 6c 69 76 65
73 20 6c 6f 73 74 2e 20 54 68
72 65 65 20 6d 65 73 73 61 67
65 73 20 64 65 6c 69 76 65 72
65 64 3a 20 74 68 65 20 67 72
65 65 74 69 6e 67 2c 20 74 68
65 20 77 61 72 6e 69 6e 67 2c
20 74 68 65 20 72 65 76 65 6c
61 74 69 6f 6e 2e</pre>
That translates to:

"Three lives toiled. Three lives lost. Three messages delivered: the greeting, the warning, the revelation."

Obviously the greeting was from Minerva ("Greetings, Prophet. It is good that you have come."), the warning is from Juno, and the revelation is from...? Jupiter? Subject 16? Altair?

The characters at the end of the filenames with dates listed are Base64 encodings. You can tell because some of them are padded with one or two "=" characters -- a tell-tale sign of Base64 encoding. I've copied all of those down along with their Base64 decodings. Have fun!

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">source\S17.anima.06102001.SVJlbWVtYmVy => IRemember
source\S17.anima.21032002.QmxhY2tIaWxscw== => BlackHills
source\S17.anima.16030002.V29vZFNtb2tl => WoodSmoke
source\S17.anima.08212002.TW90aGVyU2Fk => MotherSad
source\S17.anima.08212002.RmF0aGVyTWFk => FatherMad
source\S17.anima.22072002.Tm90aGluZ0lzVHJ1ZQ== => NothingIsTrue
source\S17.anima.22072002.RXZlcnl0aGluZ0lzUGVybWl0 dGVk => EverythingIsPermitted
source\S17.anima.04022003.Qm9yZWRPZldhclN0b3JpZXM= => BoredOfWarStories
source\S17.anima.30082003.UGFpbktpbGxlcnM= => PainKillers
source\S17.anima.23082003.RmFjZXNJblN0b25l => FacesInStone
source\S17.anima.16082003.RXNjYXBl => Escape
source\S17.anima.23082003.V2hhdElzVGhpc1BsYWNl => WhatIsThisPlace
source\S17.anima.16052003.Q2hpY2Fnb0dpcmxz => ChicagoGirls
source\S17.anima.27082003.Tm90RmFyRW5vdWdo => NotFarEnough
source\S17.anima.14082004.MTJUbzY= => 12To6
source\S17.anima.11032004.VGhleVdpbGxGaW5kTWU= => TheyWillFindMe
source\S17.anima.03032005.SnVzdEFDdWx0!Q== => JustACult
source\S17.anima.16082005.V0h***VBUkVZT1Uh => WHEREAREYOU!
source\S17.anima.16082008.U29NdWNoTm9pc2U= => SoMuchNoise
source\S17.anima.12062008.Q0FMTEhPTUUh => CALLHOME!
source\S17.anima.16022009.VGhlRXZlcnl0aGluZ0NpdHk= => TheEverythingCity
source\S17.anima.04022011.SnVzdEFkZEdpbg== => JustAddGin
source\S17.anima.17092011.VGhlSk1a => TheJMZ
source\S16.anima.08082012.SSBBbSBOb3QgQWxpdmU= => I Am Not Alive
source\S17.anima.09082012.QmFkV2VhdGhlcg== => BadWeather
source\S17.anima.10082012.TmluZVllYXJzQWxvbmU= => NineYearsAlone
source\S17.anima.17092012.QXJlWW91RGVzbW9uZE1pbGVz Pw== => AreYouDesmondMiles?
source\S17.anima.19092012.QmFzdGFyZHMh => Bastards!
</pre>
Some interesting things to note are Escape on 8/16/2003. Is this Desmond's 16th birthday when he was said to have escaped the Farm? And the decoding on the very last line, for 9/19/2012, is "Bastards!" Isn't that the first thing Desmond says when Vidic and Lucy pull him out of the Animus at the beginning of first game? That's supposed to have happend on 9/1/2012 or 9/2/2012. This is from right at the time that Brotherhood's email dates pick up, too. There's definitely something fishy going on with the dates and memories we're seeing in Brotherhood's present-day timeline.


For those of you who asked for it, there it is.

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 04:06 PM
@Poodle_of_Doom:and zerocooll21: thanks a ton there, I'm really glad I got to see this

zerocooll21
08-03-2011, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
@Poodle_of_Doom:and zerocooll21: thanks a ton there, I'm really glad I got to see this

Fosho, I saw that last week and was blown away. I wonder how many people it takes to write all the content for this series.

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 04:30 PM
Wish I could help you there. Whatever the numbers even in a teaser trailer like they still hide some very interesting info. Like you I was just blown away. Almost fell back in my chair when I saw all this info. I wonder if they'll make it clear to the gamers what this actually says in revelations. But the s16 part really caught me by surprise. Especially the "I am not alive part" which kinda contradicts the morse code achievement message "I am alive."

zerocooll21
08-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Wish I could help you there. Whatever the numbers even in a teaser trailer like they still hide some very interesting info. Like you I was just blown away. Almost fell back in my chair when I saw all this info. I wonder if they'll make it clear to the gamers what this actually says in revelations. But the s16 part really caught me by surprise. Especially the "I am not alive part" which kinda contradicts the morse code achievement message "I am alive."

Someone mentioned that it could be b/c people were getting confused. Who ever he is its gotta be some kind of AI in the animis. I think during the game as we play that list of memories is going to be our cut scenes. Its probably S16's memory from his last moments ala I'm not alive.

With that whole S16 blurred out image they showed in the AC encyclopedia excerpt I really think its desmond. Same clothes and of all the pages they had to show that one. Its either a Twin or its him in AI form. Its gotta be someone we already know or else the wow factor really isn't there. I suppose they could introduce a new background which is intriguing but its not the same.

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 05:49 PM
I thought 16 could be someone from Desmond's past who turned out to be the subject before him. Although if we're just given nothing but his real name and he turns out to be related to him, then that would suck. Cuz if that's all we got I definitely wouldn't be satisfied with an answer like that. So unless they can really knock us out of our seats with an answer to his identity or background, the real surprise will be what happened to him, what he did, and what he learned.

EDIT: hey has anyone figured out any of that red writing we see in that room in the trailer?

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
I thought 16 could be someone from Desmond's past who turned out to be the subject before him. Although if we're just given nothing but his real name and he turns out to be related to him, then that would suck. Cuz if that's all we got I definitely wouldn't be satisfied with an answer like that. So unless they can really knock us out of our seats with an answer to his identity or background, the real surprise will be what happened to him, what he did, and what he learned.

EDIT: hey has anyone figured out any of that red writing we see in that room in the trailer?

Which writing? The red writing that flashes on the screen, or the writing that we on the walls?

Bipolar Matt
08-03-2011, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Wish I could help you there. Whatever the numbers even in a teaser trailer like they still hide some very interesting info. Like you I was just blown away. Almost fell back in my chair when I saw all this info. I wonder if they'll make it clear to the gamers what this actually says in revelations. But the s16 part really caught me by surprise. Especially the "I am not alive part" which kinda contradicts the morse code achievement message "I am alive."

It does contradict, or maybe it doesn't? Maybe 16 is not alive in the sense that we think of life, but his consciousness is alive somehow in the Animus? They could play all kinds of games with us on this.

Also, why would it be phrased "I am not alive." Why not just say "I'm dead"? Why say it in that way, which could be interpreted more vaguely. Or for that matter, how could "I", say anything at all if "I" is not alive?

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by BipolarMatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Wish I could help you there. Whatever the numbers even in a teaser trailer like they still hide some very interesting info. Like you I was just blown away. Almost fell back in my chair when I saw all this info. I wonder if they'll make it clear to the gamers what this actually says in revelations. But the s16 part really caught me by surprise. Especially the "I am not alive part" which kinda contradicts the morse code achievement message "I am alive."

It does contradict, or maybe it doesn't? Maybe 16 is not alive in the sense that we think of life, but his consciousness is alive somehow in the Animus? They could play all kinds of games with us on this.

Also, why would it be phrased "I am not alive." Why not just say "I'm dead"? Why say it in that way, which could be interpreted more vaguely. Or for that matter, how could "I", say anything at all if "I" is not alive? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Split personality? I don't know, though I've pondered this possibility.

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 08:43 PM
@Poodle_of_Doom:the one all over the walls, not the one that flashes

@BipolarMatt:good point there. If 16 is alive in the sense of being conscious in the animus I wonder just how he did that. I mean who titles an achievement in morse code too? I've never seen so much mystery placed around a character in a video game before. And definitely not this long. Its become a question of "who was he?" and "'what' is he now?" That and what's his connection to desmond. The "I am with you until the end" part. If this was any other game I would've taken that as symbolic. But he somehow placed himself inside the animus so who knows what else this guy's capable of. Even if he is "dead" which I'm not sure of anymore.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 10:01 PM
I'm not so sure that he's dead either, but I can't prove anything to the contrary, unfortunately.

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Yeah that's the problem. Before Brotherhood I was sure he just went crazy and in some insane state of mind he wrote messages in his blood before bleeding out. But now I'm nowhere near sure if he's truly dead, or what they consider "alive" in this game. I'm sure they won't disappoint us with their answer. At least I hope not.

If I had to choose, I don't know which question I'd want answered first: Who is he? 'What' is he? What does he know?

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 10:17 PM
We'll see. That said, has anyone else noticed any really good spoilers?

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 10:44 PM
I wouldn't call this a spoiler but it might be new info to some. Got it from the wiki page and apparently its an update to the website. Enjoy

During a recent interview with gameplanet.com (a New Zealand based gaming website), Darby McDevitt stated that the majority of Desmond's gameplay will be within the Animus and indicated that there may be a very small portion in a different context.

The Desmond gameplay will be similar, in a way, to the Secret Locations that were seen in previous games. To quote Alexandre Breault: "The majority of the game-play in these Animus section focuses on movement, timing, and precision, but we also include some illusion based puzzles inspired by the work of Rene Magritte and Roger Penrose. The main goal here is to encourage the player to think and engage with the environment, not simply pass it by."[4]

Poodle_of_Doom
08-03-2011, 11:18 PM
Where on the wiki did you find that?

Mikatsuki95
08-03-2011, 11:40 PM
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin's_Creed:_Revelations

scroll down the page and you'll find it

iMBUE_
08-04-2011, 02:05 AM
That creepy face reminds me of this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB8NZ2LSaxI

Have fun sleeping tonight!

LightRey
08-04-2011, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
I wouldn't call this a spoiler but it might be new info to some. Got it from the wiki page and apparently its an update to the website. Enjoy

During a recent interview with gameplanet.com (a New Zealand based gaming website), Darby McDevitt stated that the majority of Desmond's gameplay will be within the Animus and indicated that there may be a very small portion in a different context.

The Desmond gameplay will be similar, in a way, to the Secret Locations that were seen in previous games. To quote Alexandre Breault: "The majority of the game-play in these Animus section focuses on movement, timing, and precision, but we also include some illusion based puzzles inspired by the work of Rene Magritte and Roger Penrose. The main goal here is to encourage the player to think and engage with the environment, not simply pass it by."[4]
I would just like to say that Sir Roger Penrose is awesome.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
Split personality? I don't know, though I've pondered this possibility.

Same here, maybe something like Shutter island.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
We'll see. That said, has anyone else noticed any really good spoilers?

No spoiler but more news is good news;

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox..._lot_of_answers.html (http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/assassins_creed_revelations/news/assassins_creed_revelations_has_a_lot_of_answers.h tml)

rileypoole1234
08-04-2011, 09:09 AM
I think at this point I'm more excited for ACR than I was for any other AC. I hope we get answers to these burning questions. I'm really, reeaaally ezcited hahah. And I just realized how many bloody games are coming out at the same time. We got Uncharted 3, ACR, Arkham City, I'm gonna go broke. Oh and back on to Subject 16, I bet we'll see him in ACR for about 3 seconds. I think we'll talk to him a lot though seeing as we're in his "domain".

grevemoeskr
08-04-2011, 09:27 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I think he's "alive", in the way that he has uploaded himself to the Animus. Why do I think that? Because when you find the first glitch, Lucy says he must has gotten there through the memory core from Abstergo's Animus(Animi?). Plus in the truth file in ACB he interacts with Desmond. The only way that's possible, if he is a "hologram" (Dead) is if he has gotten a TWCB-ish telepathic skill. And I don't think that Ubi would give him that

Mikatsuki95
08-04-2011, 09:59 AM
Maybe the explanation is simpler than we might think. But I'm assuming they virtually kept almost all info on 16 away from us until Revelations for a reason (a decent one I hope). What I know Ubisoft promised is that revelations will clear up all the major questions to make room for AC3. I guess that means we can't play AC3 while still wondering who 16 is. With all this mystery around him he's gotta be a big element to the story. Or she? Or they? Or nobody cuz he's dead? See? I don't know what to cal him beside s16 anymore, I am 'that' confused about this person's status and identity.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
Split personality? I don't know, though I've pondered this possibility.

Same here, maybe something like Shutter island. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, mainly between S16 and Desmond.


On the subject of S16,.... I feel as you Mika. I'm not sure what to believe, or if believing anything will make any difference.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 10:32 AM
yah exactly.

lol I think we are all in the same WTF boat that wont reach land till Nov 15th http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
yah exactly.

lol I think we are all in the same WTF boat that wont reach land till Nov 15th http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well, sometime there after anyway. You have to factor in the time it takes to play the game.

Mikatsuki95
08-04-2011, 11:01 AM
Well until we hit shore, we'll just enjoy the sea and speculate heh

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Well until we hit shore, we'll just enjoy the sea and speculate heh

As long as no one gets sick on these choppy seas, I'm okay with that.

Mikatsuki95
08-04-2011, 11:31 AM
Fair warning, if anybody spoils the plot before we land, I just might throw them overboard.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 11:32 AM
lol I plan on going overboard nov 15. Two days off work + midnight release should give me enough time to go at my own pace.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Fair warning, if anybody spoils the plot before we land, I just might throw them overboard.

Ahh you beat me to it. Looks I'll be walk'n the plank.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Fair warning, if anybody spoils the plot before we land, I just might throw them overboard.

Ahh you beat me to it. Looks I'll be walk'n the plank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So,.... was there anything else in those trailers guys?

Mikatsuki95
08-04-2011, 12:37 PM
If you mean the Desmond teaser trailer yeah. There's the room that's covered all over with red writing. I know there's at least one message in there someone could make out but that requires a better set of eyes than mine.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
If you mean the Desmond teaser trailer yeah. There's the room that's covered all over with red writing. I know there's at least one message in there someone could make out but that requires a better set of eyes than mine.

Same here...

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 02:01 PM
Analyzing the Desmond and Ezio teasers I found the following. Please note herein is data which may by most be considered spoilers. To minimize chance of unwanted spoilage these are in descending order of least potential spoilage to most, as is apparent within the context of the immediately presented data.

Captures (http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/)

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/thumb1.jpg
Portions of code as follows:
Script 1
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
@ECHO OFF
set "max=11"
call :initProgress %max% "Window Title: [PPP]"
for /l %%N in (1,1,%max%) do (
ping -n 2 -w 1 127.0.0.1>NUL
call:doProgress
)
GOTO:EOF

:initProgress max format -- initialize an internal progress counter and display the progress in percent
:: -- max [in] - progress counter maximum, equal to 100 percent
:: -- format [in,opt] - title string formatter, default is '[P] completed.'
set /a "ProgressCnt=-1"
set /a "ProgressMax=%~1"
set "ProgressFormat=%~2"
if not defined ProgressFormat set "ProgressFormat=[PPPP]"
set "ProgressFormat=%ProgressFormat:[PPPP]=[P] completed.%"
call:doProgress
EXIT /b


:doProgress -- display the next progress tick
set /a "ProgressCnt+=1"
SETLOCAL ENABLEDELAYEDEXPANSION
set /a "per100=100*ProgressCnt/ProgressMax"
set /a "per10=per100/10"
set /a "per10m=10-per100/10-1"
set "P=%per100%%%"
set "PP="
for /l %%N in (0,1,%per10%) do call set "PP=%%PP%%*"
for /l %%N in (%per10%,1,9) do call set "PP=%%PP%% "
set "PPP="
for /l %%N in (0,1,%per10m%) do call set "PPP=%%PPP%%*"
set "ProgressFormat=%ProgressFormat:[P]=!P!%"
set "ProgressFormat=%ProgressFormat:[PP]=!PP!%"
set "ProgressFormat=%ProgressFormat:[PPP]=!PPP!%"
title %ProgressFormat%
EXIT /b
</pre>

Script 2
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
@echo off
REM -- Prepare the Command Processor --
SETLOCAL ENABLEEXTENSIONS
SETLOCAL DISABLEDELAYEDEXPANSION

::BatchSubstitude - parses a File line by line and replaces a substring"
::syntax: BatchSubstitude.bat OldStr NewStr File
:: OldStr [in] - string to be replaced
:: NewStr [in] - string to replace with
:: File [in] - file to be parsed
if "%~1"=="" findstr "^::" "%~f0"&GOTO:EOF
for /f "tokens=1,* delims=]" %%A in ('"type %3|find /n /v """') do (
set "line=%%B"
if defined line (
call set "line=echo.%%line:%~1=%~2%%"
for /f "delims=" %%X in ('"echo."%%line%%""') do %%~X
) ELSE echo.
)

Script Output: Script Ouput
C:>type BatchSubstitute.txt
!!! THIS TEST DOESN`T REPLACE ANYTHING, IT JUST MAKES SURE
!!! THE SCRIPT WORKS FOR SPECIAL CHARACTERS.
!!! THE SCRIPT WOULD NOT WORK IF ANY OF THE CHARACTERs &<>|^ WOULD
!!! APPEAR WITHIN A QUOTED STRING
Next line is empty

this > is a grater-than character
this < is a less-than character
this ( is a opening bracket character
this ) is a closing bracket character
this % is a percent character
this & is an ampersand character
this ! is an exclamation character
this " is a quote character
this | is a vertical character
this ^ is a up character
this is a "quoted string"
this is a %percented string%
this is a !exclamationed string!
a "quoted ( opening bracket"
a "quoted ) closing bracket"
a "quoted % quote character"
a "quoted ! quote character"
a "quoted " quote character"
</pre>
This 2nd batch script has an output which is also seen in this image:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> C:>BatchSubstitute.bat Oldtext Newtext BatchSubstitute.txt
!!! THIS TEST DOESN`T REPLACE ANYTHING, IT JUST MAKES SURE
!!! THE SCRIPT WORKS FOR SPECIAL CHARACTERS.
!!! THE SCRIPT WOULD NOT WORK IF ANY OF THE CHARACTERs &<>|^ WOULD
!!! APPEAR WITHIN A QUOTED STRING
Next line is empty

this > is a grater-than character
this < is a less-than character
this ( is a opening bracket character
this ) is a closing bracket character
this % is a percent character
this & is an ampersand character
this ! is an exclamation character
this " is a quote character
this | is a vertical character
this ^ is a up character
this is a "quoted string"
this is a %percented string%
this is a !exclamationed string!
a "quoted ( opening bracket"
a "quoted ) closing bracket"
a "quoted % quote character"
a "quoted ! quote character"
a "quoted " quote character"
</pre>
http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/thumb2.jpg
Various text seen using eagle vision. Various languages are apparent.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/thumb3.jpg
Lucy you will know the ( possibly end (http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/Image33analysis.jpg)) Click for enhancement

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/Agent_4/Machina%20Obscurus/thumb4.jpg
The End is the beginning

Subject 4

rileypoole1234
08-04-2011, 02:07 PM
Well I just watched the Desmond trailer and there are two hidden messages that can seen by pausing the video when it flashes for about half a second. One says "Lucy, you will know the Truth" and the other says "The end is the beginning" with a triangular shaped symbol on the right side. Maybe 2012 is really the beginning of something else? I also tried to read the "Blood writing" in the first room Desmond see's. There is one large word that looks to be something like Yicole or Picole or possibly Nicole, but it looks like it says Yicole with a backwards Y. I don't know what that means. The other one I can see, but certain words are "blanked" out. It says "_____ betrayed his _____ ____ ____ ____ Spite Kills for my ____". I know it seems like nothing but interesting nonetheless.

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 02:29 PM
Subject 4 you are awesome man, good work.

If the end is the beginning it might be something like terminator where we think the whole time we stopping a major event from happening when really we've been led down a path to preserve the future.

I wonder if at some point ubi will put something up thinking no one will find out.

LightRey
08-04-2011, 02:31 PM
Lucy you will know the (possibly end)

I think it says "truth", not "end".

zerocooll21
08-04-2011, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lucy you will know the (possibly end)

I think it says "truth", not "end". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he was just trying not post any spoiler info, just in case someone didn't want to know what it said.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 03:10 PM
I am not, in any way, computer savvy. Does the script posted by Subject 4 mean anything out there to anyone?

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 03:42 PM
On their own, no; They are meant to be used in conjunction with other scripts or integrated into scripts, but are actually usable pieces of code. The first one is designed to add a progress bar to command line interfaces like command.com or "cmd" as it is usually known these days. The second script appears to me to be more of a diagnostic script for checking statements for certain characters.

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Subject_4:
On their own, no; They are meant to be used in conjunction with other scripts or integrated into scripts, but are actually usable pieces of code. The first one is designed to add a progress bar to command line interfaces like command.com or "cmd" as it is usually known these days. The second script appears to me to be more of a diagnostic script for checking statements for certain characters.

Subject 4

Cool. Again, I'm not to tech savy. Can you speculate as to what these scripts would be used for on the animus? I don't recall seeing a status bar or anything....

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by zerocooll21:
Subject 4 you are awesome man, good work.

If the end is the beginning it might be something like terminator where we think the whole time we stopping a major event from happening when really we've been led down a path to preserve the future.

I wonder if at some point ubi will put something up thinking no one will find out.

I appreciate your recognition of my effort.

Subject 4

Subject_4
08-04-2011, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
On their own, no; They are meant to be used in conjunction with other scripts or integrated into scripts, but are actually usable pieces of code. The first one is designed to add a progress bar to command line interfaces like command.com or "cmd" as it is usually known these days. The second script appears to me to be more of a diagnostic script for checking statements for certain characters.

Subject 4

Cool. Again, I'm not to tech savy. Can you speculate as to what these scripts would be used for on the animus? I don't recall seeing a status bar or anything.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Frankly, what I already said stretches the limits of my knowledge.

Subject 4

Poodle_of_Doom
08-04-2011, 10:22 PM
Perhaps someone else will come along and shine some light on the subject for us...

LightRey
08-06-2011, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Subject_4:
On their own, no; They are meant to be used in conjunction with other scripts or integrated into scripts, but are actually usable pieces of code. The first one is designed to add a progress bar to command line interfaces like command.com or "cmd" as it is usually known these days. The second script appears to me to be more of a diagnostic script for checking statements for certain characters.

Subject 4

Cool. Again, I'm not to tech savy. Can you speculate as to what these scripts would be used for on the animus? I don't recall seeing a status bar or anything.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well the Black Room is supposed to be like the command interface of the Animus. So that might be where the progress bar would appear then.

Mikatsuki95
08-06-2011, 11:46 AM
Just once i wouldn't mind a simple "this is who this guy was and this is what that message said and blah blah blah" without the constant decrypting of messages and guesses of motives of identities. It is interesting, but damn AC came out back in 2007. So we've all been waiting four, I repeat, four years for the answer to 16.

If the answer isn't a satisfying one that'll knock you on your backside, the internet is gonna be infested with rants and complaints within a week of release.

LightRey
08-06-2011, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Just once i wouldn't mind a simple "this is who this guy was and this is what that message said and blah blah blah" without the constant decrypting of messages and guesses of motives of identities. It is interesting, but damn AC came out back in 2007. So we've all been waiting four, I repeat, four years for the answer to 16.

If the answer isn't a satisfying one that'll knock you on your backside, the internet is gonna be infested with rants and complaints within a week of release.
I don't really mind. In fact, I would mind if there won't be any decrypting of messages etc. after we figure out who S16 is and what he knows.

Mikatsuki95
08-06-2011, 06:16 PM
Yeah they're good time to time. There is one message nobody can seem to figure out, I gotta check for a thread on it and see if someone got lucky.

Subject_4
08-06-2011, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
Yeah they're good time to time. There is one message nobody can seem to figure out, I gotta check for a thread on it and see if someone got lucky.

Please do let me know. I have nothing to work on right now.

Subject 4

Mikatsuki95
08-06-2011, 07:54 PM
@Subject4:Couldn't find a thread so I made a new one with the unsolved message. Here's a link

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...411081049#7411081049 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=5251069024&m=7411081049&r=7411081049#7411081049)

Saqaliba
08-23-2011, 01:51 AM
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.

Calvarok
08-23-2011, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.

Altair, Ezio, and Desmond are not time travel machines. That's ONE of the points where that doesn't work.

Also, the fact that that would be a really terrible story for a game that's supposed to be about killing the bad guys before they mind-control the world and saving the world from the sun. You seem to have not included that. The reason TWCB have been communicating with Desmond is so that he can stop that whole plot.

Also, if they're templars, why would Juno say "Guard against the cross"?

Why wouldn't they ask the Templars to do their stuff, since they're the ones who have the most resources?

Theory has tons of holes.

Cercatrova
08-23-2011, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.

Are you even talking about the same game as we are?

ShaneO7K
08-23-2011, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Discussions-Components-Files/31/3010.Facepalm.jpg

LightRey
08-23-2011, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.
No.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-23-2011, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.
No. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take that no, and raise you several "Nein"'s.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4)

LightRey
08-23-2011, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
The end is the beginning.

The Ones Who Came Before are from the future. They are Templars. They use the Abstergo Eye to go back to the beginning of time to control the human race starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve escape and use the technology to impress a message on the artifacts to warn future generations. But they create a nexus between various points in them (i.e. altair, ezio, desmond) this nexus is welcomed by the Ones Who Came because it is the very key they need to travel back to the beginning... LOOP... Alpha and Omega.
No. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take that no, and raise you several "Nein"'s.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
xDDDDDD

Mikatsuki95
08-23-2011, 11:25 AM
This is going off topic

Poodle_of_Doom
08-23-2011, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
This is going off topic

Now all we need is some music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLArBZISjio&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_732400) to go with this of topic discussion....

garethspencer
09-27-2011, 05:39 PM
I don't think that the pictures are going to be subject 16s face.
However i was watching 'Weird or What' on the Discovery Channel today and it mentioned about life after dead and spirits.
http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/weird-or-what/videos/ heres the link, and you want the video 'Life after death' watch it through or skip to 3:20.
There is a face of a woman which when i saw it reminded me of Subject 16s video.
So could those pictures in subject 16s video be from the after life? What do you guys think?
Or am i barking up the wrong tree?

rileypoole1234
09-27-2011, 05:56 PM
We've seen Subject 16's face in a trailer from IGN now. I guess we will be talking seeing very much of him. He also has a different voice actor I think. He sounds quite calm as well. He explains to Desmond that a Nexus is when the ancestor has nothing else to show to the observer, in this case Desmond. I guess Desmond will reach the Nexus when he has relived all of Ezio's memories up to when his child is conceived. You can find the videos on IGN.

BeCk41
09-27-2011, 05:58 PM
huh, that is kinda creepy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

DarthEzio55
09-27-2011, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
We've seen Subject 16's face in a trailer from IGN now. I guess we will be talking seeing very much of him. He also has a different voice actor I think. He sounds quite calm as well. He explains to Desmond that a Nexus is when the ancestor has nothing else to show to the observer, in this case Desmond. I guess Desmond will reach the Nexus when he has relived all of Ezio's memories up to when his child is conceived. You can find the videos on IGN.
and then hopefully desmond's face will return to normal

Poodle_of_Doom
09-27-2011, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
We've seen Subject 16's face in a trailer from IGN now. I guess we will be talking seeing very much of him. He also has a different voice actor I think. He sounds quite calm as well. He explains to Desmond that a Nexus is when the ancestor has nothing else to show to the observer, in this case Desmond. I guess Desmond will reach the Nexus when he has relived all of Ezio's memories up to when his child is conceived. You can find the videos on IGN.

I'm actually curious to see the trailer you speak of. It's one I don't think I've seen.

sticks165
09-27-2011, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
We've seen Subject 16's face in a trailer from IGN now. I guess we will be talking seeing very much of him. He also has a different voice actor I think. He sounds quite calm as well. He explains to Desmond that a Nexus is when the ancestor has nothing else to show to the observer, in this case Desmond. I guess Desmond will reach the Nexus when he has relived all of Ezio's memories up to when his child is conceived. You can find the videos on IGN.

I'm actually curious to see the trailer you speak of. It's one I don't think I've seen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

its not a trailer its just a clip from the singleplayer

naran6142
09-27-2011, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
We've seen Subject 16's face in a trailer from IGN now. I guess we will be talking seeing very much of him. He also has a different voice actor I think. He sounds quite calm as well. He explains to Desmond that a Nexus is when the ancestor has nothing else to show to the observer, in this case Desmond. I guess Desmond will reach the Nexus when he has relived all of Ezio's memories up to when his child is conceived. You can find the videos on IGN.

I'm actually curious to see the trailer you speak of. It's one I don't think I've seen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

heres a link to the thread it was posted in

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/6221034949 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6221034949)

you might not want to watch it if you dont want spoilers, but IMO there wasn't anything too significant except for the 16 parts

Poodle_of_Doom
09-28-2011, 12:35 AM
Well,... if this (http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/09/22/assassins-creed-revelations-desmonds-mission?objectid=93900) is what you are talking about, that's a huge spoiler... thanks. But it's cool.

Poodle_of_Doom
02-26-2013, 02:02 AM
Well... I know I posted a second thread about this sometime ago, but I do believe this is my original thread on the subject. At that, I'm glad I found it (I had done through accedentally through a search engine). Considering we've had ACR, and AC3 since my last post on this thread, what does everyone think about this now?

xboxauditore
02-26-2013, 07:28 AM
By God that is terrifying.

dAnNyKiLlZ
02-26-2013, 07:39 AM
Well... I know I posted a second thread about this sometime ago, but I do believe this is my original thread on the subject. At that, I'm glad I found it (I had done through accedentally through a search engine). Considering we've had ACR, and AC3 since my last post on this thread, what does everyone think about this now?
i think this is a classic example of how good the story used to be, and could have been, until it all fell apart.. :(

AjinkyaParuleka
02-26-2013, 01:44 PM
The hell.....Ubisoft should catagorize their title as Suspense-Horror-Action-Adventure Open World game.I agree,those coded files in AC2 and ACB gave me the chills.

TheHumanTowel
02-26-2013, 01:58 PM
i think this is a classic example of how good the story used to be, and could have been, until it all fell apart.. :(
After ACB it was just like all the mystery and subtlety went out of the story and it was just a straight action game now.

roostersrule2
02-26-2013, 02:00 PM
After ACB it was just like all the mystery and subtlety went out of the story and it was just a straight action game now.Yea that mystery was what made this series amazing.

abcdelm45084
02-26-2013, 02:31 PM
Cant believe ive never seen this one before. Really creepy. But i wonder what its supposed to be or who its supposed to be or if its just there for show ? Cause its surely not subject 16. But unfortunaely if there was something theyve problably dropped it by now.

pacmanate
02-26-2013, 03:10 PM
Thats so messed up!

ace3001
02-26-2013, 03:42 PM
After ACB it was just like all the mystery and subtlety went out of the story and it was just a straight action game now.To this date, I hate how they threw out the whole subplot involving Subject 16's "prophecy".

rupok2
02-26-2013, 04:01 PM
Heres hoping that we get some major revelation about the "prophecy" something like subj 16 knew what would happen but the version saved in the animus didn't. I hope they explain the whole Eve thing and "your son".

But knowing Ubisoft they will mess up the story even more, after ac3 i don't even bother trying to focus on the loopholes, there are way too many to count.

Poodle_of_Doom
02-27-2013, 12:30 AM
i think this is a classic example of how good the story used to be, and could have been, until it all fell apart.. :(

Agreed. The suspense left ages ago. They really need to fill in the gaps now.


Cant believe ive never seen this one before. Really creepy. But i wonder what its supposed to be or who its supposed to be or if its just there for show ? Cause its surely not subject 16. But unfortunaely if there was something theyve problably dropped it by now.

Feel free to speculate on what you think it is. I wouldn't mind coming up with a solid theory. So far, nobody has.


To this date, I hate how they threw out the whole subplot involving Subject 16's "prophecy".

It is a shame. It ended up being about the money I think.


Heres hoping that we get some major revelation about the "prophecy" something like subj 16 knew what would happen but the version saved in the animus didn't. I hope they explain the whole Eve thing and "your son".

But knowing Ubisoft they will mess up the story even more, after ac3 i don't even bother trying to focus on the loopholes, there are way too many to count.

I think the easiest way to solve the loopholes would be to have us play through a game or two from S16's perspective.

Poodle_of_Doom
12-07-2013, 10:13 PM
Where's the mystery? It used to be there, but seems to of left. I hope Ubisoft gets things back on track again.

pacmanate
12-07-2013, 11:35 PM
Thats so messed up!

Hello past me.

Poodle_of_Doom
12-08-2013, 12:27 AM
Hello past me.

Yeah. It's nice to visit some of these old threads, isn't it? Seriously though, it irks me that some of these major plot stories were never resolved.