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Skoshi Tiger
08-12-2005, 08:04 AM
I could not believe my eyes! I was flying in a quick mission flying a P40E against a couple of D3A1's over Okinawa!

I shot down the first EA then attacked the second. As this was only my 4th mission using a TrackIR 3 pro, My flying was a bit off, so after a few shots I managed to skillfully perform a taran attack which left both our aircraft spinning to the ground minus a wing a peice!

I baled out and started floating down in my Parachute. When I got close enought to the ground the Anti-aircraft positions opened fire at me, hitting me on three separate times killing me dead!

I know it was my fault flying a P40 over Okinawa in the first place, but surely it's just not fair shooting at a person in a parachute!

Atomic_Marten
08-12-2005, 08:08 AM
Believe me I would shoot at you just because you have shot down and rammed the D3As. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

It isn't fair but I suppose that fair play wasn't so common sight in ww2.

Tully__
08-12-2005, 08:52 AM
It's perfectly fair, your AA will shoot at their pilots when they bale out over your territory or near your carrier group... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Historically, some (though not all) troops & pilots on both sides shot at parachutes of the opposing pilots. In the game AI gunners will shoot at all objects associated with scoring targets, including pilots in parachutes. They're so trigger happy I wouldn't be surprised to see them shooting at falling bombs if the bomber that dropped them was already destroyed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

stansdds
08-12-2005, 08:49 PM
All is fair in love and war.

Grue_
08-13-2005, 04:11 AM
Quite a few pilots in parachutes were shot at (and sometimes killed) by their OWN side.

Even Nicolson, the only pilot in the Battle of Britain to get the Victoria Cross was shot at by the home guard as he drifted down in his chute.

"On August 24, 1940, flying DT-L P2921, at 18,000 feet around 1100 hrs off Dover over the Channel; sunny and clear; 12 of us from the No. 257 Sqn. tangled with a bunch of 109Es. All split up and everyone for himself; got on tail of a 109E, which dived away with me in hot pursuit. Opened fire and he started to smoke, and almost immediately, Lt. Achleitner of 111/JG3 bailed out and fell into the sea. Unknown to me, he was picked up and became a POW. That made 10."

Twenty-three-year-old Flt. Lt. James B. Nicolson was new to combat, but he was able to judge his position relative to the Messerschmitt 110s of II. Gruppe, Zerstorer Geschwader 2 that were escorting a large Luftwaffe raid over the English coast near Southampton. He signaled his two wingmen in Red Section No. 249 Squadron to prepare to attack. Before the three Hurricanes could tackle the 110s, they were hit by several Bf 109s in a classic, six-- o'clock-high, surprise attack. Nicolson's number two wingman dived away to nurse his damaged fighter back to Boscombe Down. The number three pilot bailed out of his burning aircraft and parachuted free of the combat area.

Nicolson's Hurricane was also severely damaged, and its fuel ignited. Despite sitting in an inferno and wounded in his head and one foot, Nicolson pressed home his attack on the 110s. He fired on one from close range; it dropped away, a probable kill. Then, badly burned, he struggled from his cockpit and fell into space.

Opening his parachute, Nicolson was appalled to find himself under fire from friendly forces on the ground. British Army and Home Guard troops mistook Nicolson and his wingman for German paratroopers, and both were shot as they descended. Pilot Officer M.A. King was killed. Wounded by buckshot, Nicolson was unable to release his chute harness because his hands were badly burned. Once the ground forces' horrible error had been discovered, he was taken to a hospital in Southampton. He recovered from his burns and survived to become the only RAF recipient of the Victoria Cross in the Battle of Britain.

neil_1821
08-13-2005, 07:19 AM
When visintg the Air museum at Duxford there was a polish story, who saw his wingman get shot down and the german then shot his mate while floating down in his parachute killing him. Well the polish man went after the 109 and shot at him, which burst into flames and he saw the german getting out so he carried on shooting at it until it burst up into a great ball of inferno.

You get what you deserve is the moral i think, what goes around comes around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Fox_3
08-13-2005, 11:09 AM
I don't remember anyone, myself included holding fire when Argentinians were ejecting from their Skyhawks and Daggers over San Carlos.

asgeirr73
08-15-2005, 09:16 AM
The japaness was the only airforce to have a habit of shoting parachutes in ww2
as I learnd from a post here about chutshoting a couple of weeks ago

joeap
08-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by asgeirr73:
The japaness was the only airforce to have a habit of shoting parachutes in ww2
as I learnd from a post here about chutshoting a couple of weeks ago

You believe everything you read here? Not saying they did not, after all the Japanese often didn't have chutes so maybe they were just jealous. LOL. No every side did that sort of thing at one time or another.

VF-2_John_Banks
08-15-2005, 01:23 PM
Matter of fact, the Americans shot at chutes by default in the late Pacific War and that is proven by both sides. The Navy flyers also liked to shoot at sailors in the water, who abandoned ship.

ElAurens
08-15-2005, 06:40 PM
If I'm on a server where pilot kills count toward the overall victory I will fire at parachutes.

Be sure.


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VFA-25_Peckens
08-15-2005, 06:51 PM
what do u mean it was a mistake to fly the p40, p40s ROCK!!!

Skoshi Tiger
08-15-2005, 08:27 PM
No http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I like P40's, Just that I didn't think it was historically acurate to fly on over Okinawa! Which is why they may have shot me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif!

Has anyone checked to see what happens if you run your aircraft through a parrachute?

p1ngu666
08-15-2005, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
No http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I like P40's, Just that I didn't think it was historically acurate to fly on over Okinawa! Which is why they may have shot me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif!

Has anyone checked to see what happens if you run your aircraft through a parrachute?

plane falls apart.

personaly, id rather capture the guy if possible, get some intelligance off him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oilburner_TAW
08-16-2005, 05:19 AM
If you read Blackburn's book about the "Jolly Rogers" (VF17), it was common/accepted practice on both sides in the pacific to "chute shoot".

Skoshi Tiger
08-16-2005, 08:10 PM
I heard somewhere that after the battle or the coral sea, an Austrailan Beaufort squadron was ordered to go out and strafe the Japanese
life boats, because there was no chance of any one going out and rescuing/capturing them.

Still doesn't give give them the right to shoot ME in my parachute! Thats just plain bad form!!!!

pettera
08-17-2005, 08:23 AM
In many online IL2 servers it is considered bad manners to shoot at chutes. The AAA doesn't respect that but they are hard to ban. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I dislike shooting at chutes strongly. However, if I were a Soviet soldier during the Great Patriotic War I would probably kill all German pilots I could get hold on including the easy targets in the air. It was a terrible war. Considerably more brutal than the pretty terrible war in the west.

But, in the honorable unfriendly skies of IL2 it is better to down thw plane than killing the pilot. So let'em bail if they can. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Petter

CraigNT
08-17-2005, 10:24 AM
Before my uncle passed away, I had a few conversations with him about his experiences in the Pacific during WWII... he was a pilot of a TBF Avenger and participated in battles in the Mariannas and Okinawa before being wounded and sent back to the States. He only started talking about his war memories just before he died. But one of his regrets was that it was common pratice by his unit that if their escort fighters (Hellcats, for the most part) shot down an attacking Japanese fighter and the pilot bailed out... the TBF's would ask to have the job of shooting at the helpless pilot in his parachute. Their thinking was that they didn't want to meet him again tomorrow. According to my uncle they took their job with great ferocity with all gun positions participating... they even kept an informal tally. War and its extreme pressures does bring out the best and worst of people...
Peace,
- CraigNT

sabotshooter88
08-17-2005, 04:54 PM
If you're in a fair fight you planned wrong.....

ClnlSandersLite
08-17-2005, 09:24 PM
Funny thing is that the AAA will often shoot at parachutes instead of valid threats. I can understand the desire to shoot at guys falling out of airplanes, however, not when there are still other aircraft in the air too. Also, to some degree, it'd probably be better to take a prisoner than kill him. Since we're talking about AAA here, 99% of the time, they'll be downed behind enemy lines.