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The12342sainT
12-01-2004, 06:31 PM
I have flown an earlier version of the Hurricane. I cant help but to compare it to other fighter/bombers. After learning a bit about the evolution of the Hurricane, the Mk4 seems like a machine. Metal fabric, hardpoints and a new engine, the Mk4 was flown in Burma, among other places at the end of the war.

Tsunami!

The12342sainT
12-01-2004, 06:31 PM
I have flown an earlier version of the Hurricane. I cant help but to compare it to other fighter/bombers. After learning a bit about the evolution of the Hurricane, the Mk4 seems like a machine. Metal fabric, hardpoints and a new engine, the Mk4 was flown in Burma, among other places at the end of the war.

Tsunami!

p1ngu666
12-01-2004, 06:44 PM
yeah, i got plans for gun pods (40mm) and radiator. aprently there isnt enuff data to make fm or something http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

DangerForward
12-01-2004, 07:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The12342sainT:
I have flown an earlier version of the Hurricane. I cant help but to compare it to other fighter/bombers. After learning a bit about the evolution of the Hurricane, the Mk4 seems like a machine. Metal fabric, hardpoints and a new engine, the Mk4 was flown in Burma, among other places at the end of the war.

Tsunami! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a cool one.

SkyChimp
12-01-2004, 08:29 PM
Is there an interest in adding this model?

The MkIV was supposed to have been very similar to the IIc, with slightly less performance due to increased weight. I've got the time-to-climb, rate-of-climb and speed charts for the Mark I and all Mk IIs.

BerkshireHunt
12-01-2004, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yeah, i got plans for gun pods (40mm) and radiator. aprently there isnt enuff data to make fm or something http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But there was enough FM data to make a 109Z?(LOL)

The Vickers 'S' guns are just like drop tanks or bombs- masses under the wings, which Oleg's algorithms should be able to accommodate. They already do this for the MK103 gunpods on the Fw190.
The Soviet Union got 100 Hurricane MkIVs, about 30 of which had Vickers 'S' cannon- so it would be good for several fronts.

Typhoon_Timmy
12-01-2004, 08:42 PM
Another cool Hurricane would be the SeaHurricane that was used by the RN and Russain Navy, was full arrestor hook and carrierborne, would be a terrific plane to fly.

JR_Greenhorn
12-01-2004, 09:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Is there an interest in adding this model? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes.
Its intended use was much different from the Mk IIs.
While the MkII is simply an obsolete fighter by mid-war, the MkIV was modified explicitly for the ground attack role. As mentioned, the Russians had several, and I think the British used some of them. It can carry different loadouts that the other Hurricanes, the winner being the two big Vickers cannons. But I'm sure you know all that already. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It would be great to have the Sea Hurricane too. That would be really useful.
The Russian rear gunner Hurricane mod would be neat, but mostly a novelty. Still, its always great to get more variants of planes.

WTE_Dukayn
12-01-2004, 09:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
But there was enough FM data to make a 109Z?(LOL) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL good point eh

VW-IceFire
12-01-2004, 10:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Is there an interest in adding this model?

The MkIV was supposed to have been very similar to the IIc, with slightly less performance due to increased weight. I've got the time-to-climb, rate-of-climb and speed charts for the Mark I and all Mk IIs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
For sure. The ability to carry rockets or the vickers anti-tank guns is certainly worth it. The Hurricanes second lease on life was as a ground attack plane. Served in Bruma till 1944 or even into 1945 I think.

Still, given the choice between having a Typhoon and a Hurricane I think the Typhoon would be more fun. The Tempest of course, but thats not truly a ground attack plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElmerFuddGantry
12-02-2004, 01:08 AM
It was a low level attack model. It was fitted with a universal wing, which housed a single 0.303 in each side, but accepted two 2 pounders (40mm) guns, eight 3" rockets, bombs and fuel tanks. It was heavily armoured, powered by a Merlin 27 (1,620hp), two stage supercharger that produced most of it's power at low levels and in hot environments. It had a bigger radiator. Three bladed prop. First prototype flew on 14 March, 1943 and was in production till the later part of 1944. Like the other gents have already said, served in some squadrons in UK, Mediteranean and India / Burma.
794 built, but 270 of these were redesignated IIE's. Max speed 505kph @ 4,115m. Climb 0.75 minute to 610m, 600 rounds for Mgs, 15 rounds for each two pounder,

ImpStarDuece
12-02-2004, 02:35 AM
I have found a surviving Hurricane MK IV! Maybe we CAN get some FM info afterall. Would be VERY nice to see more Hurri types in the sim, especially ones that saw Eastern Front action.

I have run across several references on the net to a Hurricane Mk IV ("G-HURRY") owned and restored to fully flyable condition by The Fighter Collection UK

from airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Untitled%20%28The%20Fig hter%20Collection%29&distinct_entry=true (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Untitled%20[The%20Fighter%20Collection%29&distinct_entry=true)


"G-HURY / KZ321 Built in 1944, this Hurricane served with the Yugoslavian Air Force then the Isreali Defence Force AF. She was recovered from a scrapyard in Jaffa, Israel in 1989 and returned to the UK. Now fully restored in flying condition, painted in 6 sqn markings. Seen here undergoing winter maintenance."

They also have a flyable F8F-2p Bearcat, two flyable F7F Tigercats and are restoring a Seafury FB.11 to flyable condition http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Monty_Thrud
12-02-2004, 06:48 AM
I'm a big fan of the Hurricane and would love to see the Tankbuster Hurricane and a must is the rocket loadout for her to, she should also carry 500lb bombs (http://www3.mistral.co.uk/k5083/T_MK2.HTM) , but if anyone has flight tech data for the Hurri & rockets it would be much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/hurr_tankbuster.jpg
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/hurrcnerockets2.jpg
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/Hurricane_Rockets.jpg
Also the Huzzy IIc should carry bombs
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/hurrcneIICbombs.jpg
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/Hurricane_402sdqn_March_Warmwell.jpg

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-02-2004, 06:58 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif great pictures there mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Monty_Thrud
12-02-2004, 08:06 AM
Thanks BaLrOgRoCk....the young ones, loved that series http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

If any one has the picture of the MkIV Hurricane harrassing a tank in the desert, could they post it, i've got it in the book "Fight For The Sky" by Douglas Badar (good book btw), it would be nice to add to my collection on my PC (hope to set up a website one day) i've been after this pic for ages, TY

p1ngu666
12-02-2004, 08:42 AM
http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/11651

if fm data is lacking, i dont think we would mind to much, as its a ground attack aircraft, and not a fighter. u should be able to get the fms pretty acurate tho, imo

also, i think we would "only" haveto do the gunpods and radiator etc, and not make a entirely new model. they did it for stuka after all

Abbuzze
12-02-2004, 09:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Dukayn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
But there was enough FM data to make a 109Z?(LOL) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL good point eh <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey we have enough data do the FM of a Tie-fighter so where is the problem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Hmm, if I remember correct it was not recommanded to roll in this 40mm cannon Hurris... nice limitation for a fighter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
12-02-2004, 09:09 AM
Jutocsa said its not a big modeling job, but fm/programing probably like a new plane.

Jutocsa is too busy prolly todo the modeling, but i wonder if priller (mossie maker with erbriac) and ed (forgot which planes he has made) would do the models. jutocsa said a day or two to make them bits.

Monty_Thrud
12-02-2004, 09:20 AM
Abbuze...i dont think the Bf109z is a Tie-fighter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

And the Hurricane with the 40mm (tankbuster) is not a fighter its a ground attack plane...you dont want to be rolling at that level http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

SkyChimp
12-02-2004, 06:09 PM
I'll post some Hurricane performance data in a seperate thread.

woofiedog
12-03-2004, 12:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Love that picture of the Hurricane with 40mm's... but what was the ammo load though.
There's nothing like Lot's of Ammo & Firepower and those Rockets look Pretty Meaty on the other picture.
What are size of those rockets?

Arm_slinger
12-03-2004, 06:32 AM
Nudge

Lets keep this going, and we might get it in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A sea hurri would be nice as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Monty_Thrud
12-03-2004, 06:53 AM
Heres a good info link for the Hurricane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/hurrican.htm)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Development of the type began with the introduction of a 1,280 hp (954 kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin XX 12-cylinder Vee Supercharged piston engine in a Hurricane Mk 1 airframe, this being redesignated Hurricane Mk IIA Srs 1. Generally similar, except for a slightly lengthened fuselage, was the Hurricane Mk IIA Srs 2, representing an interim change on the production lines to make possible the installation of newly developed and interchangeable wings. Thus, with a wing housing no fewer than 12 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns and with provision for the carriage of two 113 kg (250 lbs) or two 227 kg (500 lbs) bombs beneath the wings or alternatively 45 or 90 gallon drop tanks, the designation became Hurricane Mk IIB. The Hurricane Mk IIC was generally similar, but with the machine guns replaced by four 20 mm cannon. When the Hurricane's life as a fighter had virtually come to an end, in 1942, the introduction of yet another wing was to rejuvenate this remarkable aircraft as the Hurricane Mk IID. The new wing carried two 40 mm Rolls-Royce B.F. or Vickers Type S anti-tank guns, plus one harmonised 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine gun for each anti-armour weapon to assist in aiming. The Hurricane Mk IID 'tank buster' proved a potent weapon, highly effective against German armour in North Africa and when opposing more lightly armoured Japanese fighting vehicles in Burma.


The success of these wing variations led to the final production version, the Hurricane Mk IV (early examples of this version were designated Hurricane Mk IIE), which introduced the 1,620 hp (1208 kW) Merlin 24 or 27 engine, and a 'universal wing' to make the Mk IV a highly-specialised ground-attack aircraft. This wing carried two 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns to assist in sighting other weapons, which could include two 40 mm (2.3 in) anti-tank guns, two 113 kg (250 lbs) or 227 kg (500 lbs) bombs, or smoke curtain installations, ferry or droptanks, or eight rocket projectiles with 27 kg (60 lbs) warheads. This last weapon, first proposed in late 1941, had been tested on a Hurricane in February 1942. When used operationally on the Hurricane IV, it was the first Allied aircraft to deploy air-to-ground rockets, and these weapons made the little Hurricane a giant in capability, extending its operational life beyond the end of World War II, for it was not until January 1947 that the RAF's last Hurricane squadron, No. 6, received replacement aircraft.


Hurricane production in Canada had grown considerably in proportions from the initial line of Hurricane Mk Is. The introduction of the 1,300 hp (969 kW) Packard-built Merlin 28 engine brought a designation change to Hurricane Mk X. This model was generally similar to the British-built Mk IIB with the 12-gun wing, and while small numbers were supplied to the UK, the majority was retained for use by the Royal Canadian Air Force. The Hurricane MK XI which followed was developed specifically for RCAF requirements, but differed from the Mk X primarily in having RCAF military equipment. Major production version was the Hurricane Mk XII, introducing the 1,300 hp (696 kW) Packard-built Merlin 29. lnitially, this was provided with the 12-gun wing; subsequently, the four-cannon and 'universal' wings became available. The final land-based version to emanate from Canada was the Hurricane Mk XIIA, identical to the Mk XII except for having an eight-gun wing.


In addition to the Hurricanes which went to other countries before the war, wartime production supplied 2,952 of these aircraft to the USSR, although as a result of convoy shipping losses not all reached their destination. Other wartime deliveries, most made at a time when it was difficult to spare a single aircraft, went to Egypt (20), Finland (12), India (300), Irish Air Corps (12), Persia (1) and Turkey (14), and total production in the UK and Canada amounted to 14,231.


Undoubtedly one of the great fighter aircraft of World War II, it is difficult to overstate the capabilities of this remarkable aircraft. In the Battle of Britain Hurricanes destroyed more enemy aircraft than all other defences, air or ground, combined. This statement must be put in perspective, as it resulted from Supermarine Spitfires taking on the Messerschmitt Bf 109s, allowing the slower Hurricanes to battle against the Gerrnan bombers. 'Hurribombers' fought from Malta, carried out anti-shipping operations in the English Channel, and caused havoc to Axis columns in the Western Desert. 'Tank Busting' Hurricanes ranged far and wide in practically every operational theatre. One fighter, flown by Flight Lieutenant J. B. Nicholson of No. 249 (Fighter) Squadron, during that eventful late summer of 1940, helped earn for its gallant pilot the only Victoria Cross to be awarded to a member of Fighter Command. This occurred on 17 August when, his Hurricane badly damaged and wreathed in flames, the wounded and severely burnt Nicholson succeeded in destroying the attacking Messerschmitt Bf 110 before baling out, to be rescued and survive.



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Boh oh boy would i like to see the Hurricane with rockets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

DeerHunterUK
12-03-2004, 07:42 AM
The Hurricane Mk IV would make a great addition to the game but in all honesty I'd prefer to see the Sea Hurricanes (with the exception of the Hurricat) made. The simple reason being that the Sea Hurricanes were based around their RAF counterparts (already ingame) with the addition of catapult spools and arrestor hooks fitted.
We can dream though.

mortoma
12-03-2004, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yeah, i got plans for gun pods (40mm) and radiator. aprently there isnt enuff data to make fm or something http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But there was enough FM data to make a 109Z?(LOL)

The Vickers 'S' guns are just like drop tanks or bombs- masses under the wings, which Oleg's algorithms should be able to accommodate. They already do this for the MK103 gunpods on the Fw190.
The Soviet Union got 100 Hurricane MkIVs, about 30 of which had Vickers 'S' cannon- so it would be good for several fronts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yea!! And what about the Ho-229 flying wing?? Where did Oleg get the data for that? Let alone a picture or info on the cockpit?? Maybe a tiny fairy appeared to Oleg and conjured up the data for him by waving her little magic wand??? Ya think?? Hey, ya never know.........