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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:02 PM
Some of you will have heard of this one - the 'legend' of Flight 19 (the planes, not the rock band!) December 5th 1945, a couple of months after the end of WW2, an entire training flight of TBM Avengers, plus one Martin PBM Mariner, vanished without trace in the so-called 'Bermuda Triangle', sparking off a plague of conspiracy theories and alien abduction nonsense.

The reason I'm bringing this to your attention is because I like a good mystery and Flight 19, while being pretty mundane in my view (rotten weather, gathering darkness, student pilots), is a good one because nobody has the faintest idea where the Avengers went, and only a rough idea what happened to the PBM that was looking for them (it blew up after a fuel leak). For this reason, I was trawling through the websites looking for verifiable information (I'm a history degree student - it's good practice!) and I found this site: http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/Investigations/Flight_19/flight_19.html which seems to shed some interesting, not to mention sane and balanced, light on the matter. It also offers an intriguing suggestion, backed up with good logic, for where the Avengers went. Take a look and see what you think.

It can't be any worse than Steven Spielberg's 'Close Encounters' hogwash.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:02 PM
Some of you will have heard of this one - the 'legend' of Flight 19 (the planes, not the rock band!) December 5th 1945, a couple of months after the end of WW2, an entire training flight of TBM Avengers, plus one Martin PBM Mariner, vanished without trace in the so-called 'Bermuda Triangle', sparking off a plague of conspiracy theories and alien abduction nonsense.

The reason I'm bringing this to your attention is because I like a good mystery and Flight 19, while being pretty mundane in my view (rotten weather, gathering darkness, student pilots), is a good one because nobody has the faintest idea where the Avengers went, and only a rough idea what happened to the PBM that was looking for them (it blew up after a fuel leak). For this reason, I was trawling through the websites looking for verifiable information (I'm a history degree student - it's good practice!) and I found this site: http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/Investigations/Flight_19/flight_19.html which seems to shed some interesting, not to mention sane and balanced, light on the matter. It also offers an intriguing suggestion, backed up with good logic, for where the Avengers went. Take a look and see what you think.

It can't be any worse than Steven Spielberg's 'Close Encounters' hogwash.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:47 PM
Cool info.
Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:59 PM
I saw a deal on the History Channel a long while back where they apparently did locate what they thought was one of the lost TBM's way out East of Florida a few miles before the continental shelf drops into the really deep water.

I don't recall if they were able to verify the aircraft was from Flight 19 however.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:53 PM
That's one of the stories this website addresses. Apparently the Avengers discovered in 1991 by the exploration vessel 'Deep See' were dumped overboard by their carrier after suffering damage that couldn't be repaired at sea. Since there were five of them and Flight 19 was five planes strong, the assumption was that these were the missing planes. Subsequent examination of the film proved that the Avengers on the seabed a) had their landing gear extended (a strange configuration for a water landing) and b) the visible serial numbers didn't match. It's still a fascinating potential warbird recovery site though, if anyone has a few million bucks and a salvage tender to hand, though. The planes were apparently in good condtion when they were found...