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Snuffy Smith
09-26-2004, 11:09 AM
>>Original Resurrected<<
Could someone work from the BMP void to do a B-29 skin? If I understood Oleg correctly, that is how it will need to be done. But, I guess templates need to be custom created first? I am sorry, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it.

I'm shamelessly fishing for an expert to do a skin of my dad's (1Lt Roderick Gale Wilcoxon) B-29, "Snuffy," 676th Heavy Bombardment Sqdn, 444th Group, 58th Wing, XXI Bomber Command, flying from Tinian Isl in 45. I'm afraid, I'm artistically challenged. I would be very greatful. The 29 makes a great canvass for nose art, and they had some of the best of the war.

The link to the only art work I have is here. The Snuffy lettering is in yellow with a black outline. The figure of Snuffy is wearing flight coveralls, and that's a moonshine jug over his left shoulder.

http://public.webbox.com/663706/

The new B-29 void is just above the pictures in the Files section. I also included another B-29 that I liked: Spearhead (9th BG)in honor of the 5th Marine Division.

From 9/27: I wish to thank you Oleg for your quick and courteous correction below and comments on the coming add-on. Snuffy.

Snuffy Smith
09-26-2004, 11:09 AM
&gt;&gt;Original Resurrected&lt;&lt;
Could someone work from the BMP void to do a B-29 skin? If I understood Oleg correctly, that is how it will need to be done. But, I guess templates need to be custom created first? I am sorry, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it.

I'm shamelessly fishing for an expert to do a skin of my dad's (1Lt Roderick Gale Wilcoxon) B-29, "Snuffy," 676th Heavy Bombardment Sqdn, 444th Group, 58th Wing, XXI Bomber Command, flying from Tinian Isl in 45. I'm afraid, I'm artistically challenged. I would be very greatful. The 29 makes a great canvass for nose art, and they had some of the best of the war.

The link to the only art work I have is here. The Snuffy lettering is in yellow with a black outline. The figure of Snuffy is wearing flight coveralls, and that's a moonshine jug over his left shoulder.

http://public.webbox.com/663706/

The new B-29 void is just above the pictures in the Files section. I also included another B-29 that I liked: Spearhead (9th BG)in honor of the 5th Marine Division.

From 9/27: I wish to thank you Oleg for your quick and courteous correction below and comments on the coming add-on. Snuffy.

KAMI_1
09-26-2004, 11:57 AM
to create a skin u need a template http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

if u want one then send me a colorscheme of your plane and i will create one and send it luthier to import it into game , so it will be in by release.


webmaster@174th-shap.de


B-29 flyable or not flyable , thats the question http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Snuffy Smith
09-26-2004, 02:00 PM
Thank you Kami_1. I put a link below to a page with the best photos I have of Snuffy. I'm afraid they are not that good, and the colors, as is usual in old black & whites, are uncertain. There are 3 showing all or part of the left nose, 1 of the right nose, the squadron insignia in color, and the group tail marker: Triangle N. I believe the name Snuffy was in bright yellow with black outline.

B-29 Snuffy "Them Shif'less Skonks" of the 676th Very Heavy Bombardment Squadron, 444th Group, 58th Wing, 20th Air Force, flyng from Tinian. Snuffy was shot down and ditched at sea on May 29, 1945.

I added 2 photos of a very interesting paint scheme: B-29 Spearhead, honoring the 5th Marine Division. I thought it very dramatic. Many B-29s were named for or had insignia on their right noses honoring Marine and Seabee units.

http://public.webbox.com/663706/

Copperhead310th
09-26-2004, 03:24 PM
Snuffy here's a good question.

Looking at the Kill markings on those 29's got me to wondering what they ment.

While i know that the Bomb marks are for...
there are Specail ones on some that i don't recognize.
like the bomb with the heart. or the Camel.
lol
what did they do bomb camels?

Eagle_361st
09-26-2004, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Snuffy here's a good question.

Looking at the Kill markings on those 29's got me to wondering what they ment.

While i know that the Bomb marks are for...
there are Specail ones on some that i don't recognize.
like the bomb with the heart. or the Camel.
lol
what did they do bomb camels? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Camels designate flights over the "Hump" in the Himalayas. I am unsure what the heart means though.

Snuffy Smith
09-26-2004, 05:27 PM
The small camera is a photo recon mission. The camel is for flying the "Hump" over the Himalyas to China and back, as Eagle said. The heart is for missions where a crew member was killed or wounded, Purple Heart missions. The Japanese flags just below the pilot's window are for enemy planes shot, but I'm sure you knew that.

No3 Spit
09-26-2004, 06:41 PM
Something interesting about those photos if the hearts explaination is correct. Have a look at the photo of the bomber and its tally of missions below the Logo, you'll see the last mission flown was has a heart. Now look at the photo with the crew and notice that last mission had not been flown when it was taken. I wonder which member of the crew photgraphed got a Purple Heart on the next mission flown?

BurningBeard
09-26-2004, 08:27 PM
My father was a pilot with 20th Air Force. He was with the original flight that took the planes to India, and in fact he flew one of the 5 green ones. The Camels do indeed mean Hump Missions, and he lead me to believe the Hearts were for wounded on the mission. His plane was the Monsoon Goon (one of many though I believe they kept the name) and he eventually ended up in Siapan, and did the fire bombing missions on Tokyo. He was back in the states when the Atomic Bombs were dropped.

I still have a leather patch of the Dragon Chucking Bombs, and I have the Original Leather CBI patch that came off of the back of his flight jacket.

Beard

BurningBeard
09-26-2004, 09:44 PM
Snuffy,

That's the Goon alright, my father was the Co-Pilot, and he lettered the plane. In real life he was a private pilot before the war and a sign painter by profession but I believe that was the only one he painted. I dont remember any of the pictures having the 2 that was painted over, but Mad Mac was the pilot of the plane. If you see the other side, Betty is painted under the co-pilots window (my mother's name). If I remember correctly, he painted somthing under each crew member's window to personalize the plane. I too have some pictures taken from the CBI theater but now I guess I will have to do some digging.

Beard

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 12:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KAMI_1:
to create a skin u need a template http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

if u want one then send me a colorscheme of your plane and i will create one and send it luthier to import it into game , so it will be in by release.


webmaster@174th-shap.de


B-29 flyable or not flyable , thats the question http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, we don't include users skins in a sim.
You has wrong info. Luthier can't control such things. This subject is under control of me.

There will be just several skins from our beta testers. Even these where cutted due to lack of the space on 2CD PF. We even was need to remove several aircraft and couple of cockpits that to place all on these two CDs.

Will be not PSD files published. We havebn't them. You will need to use our BMP void files. These will be present on the CDs for each aircraft.

FltLt_HardBall
09-27-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We even was need to remove several aircraft and couple of cockpits that to place all on these two CDs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, the first patch will be worth waiting for, then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're all looking forward to seeing what's in there, Oleg. Thanks for all your hard work, and thanks for dropping by!

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 03:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FltLt_HardBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We even was need to remove several aircraft and couple of cockpits that to place all on these two CDs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, the first patch will be worth waiting for, then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're all looking forward to seeing what's in there, Oleg. Thanks for all your hard work, and thanks for dropping by! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes in the first add-on will be several flyables and AI that wasn't going in release. Mianly becasue of CD space. Cokpits of some bombers take the space equal to many fighter planes. But we need to go fo compromisses and remove/add such thing that to get the free CD space, that some time may looks starange, but when you will get the add-on you will understand easy why ther is some AI (low space) presnt that didn't flew on the maps that are present in release. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So not only planes, but at least one-two new maps will be in free add-on.

csThor
09-27-2004, 03:33 AM
In that case I have three characters for you Oleg:

DVD

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
In that case I have three characters for you Oleg:

_DVD_

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It will be actual maybe two years from now. But currently we will miss about 60-70% of customers releasing on DVD

csThor
09-27-2004, 04:01 AM
Which is quite sad. I mean DVD-ROMs are not that expensive today, I mean I do have a Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW and it did not push my bank account into the abyss (not even remotely).

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 04:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
Which is quite sad. I mean DVD-ROMs are not that expensive today, I mean I do have a Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW and it did not push my bank account into the abyss (not even remotely). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have DVD-ROM and DVD+/-R/RW at home....
I recored DVDs already for a long time.... Thanks help from Intel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snyde-Dastardly
09-27-2004, 05:46 AM
Hot Dog!! I cant wait for PF,,,and now one heck of a patch to follow!!! I gotta say thanks for all the hard work Oleg. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Oh BTW, are we ever gonna get a flyable 4 engine bomber,,,,like, B-24,FW-200,Lancaster,,etc.
CARPE DIEM
Snyde

NTESLA
09-27-2004, 06:25 AM
Good Afternoon Oleg, welcome back,

It should already be late to use this but Ubisoft should learn from the same strategy that Electronic Arts, makers/publisher of "The Sims 2", recently used and seems to be a success :

- Have two options available : 1 CD set and the Other a single DVD. This way you have two things happening, an up to date research to see how many customers buy CD or DVD version of game AND you will give the customer the option to choose either multiple CDs or single DVD version of the game.

Thank you for your time.

Metalarms
09-27-2004, 08:12 AM
How about 3 CDs ?
Man, I'm so brilliant, sometimes it scares me, but I have no excuses, I work in computers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Alexi_Alx_Anova
09-27-2004, 10:16 AM
With all due respect and homage to Oleg, I'm surprised if this is true.

Doom and many other games were released on three CDs in a fairly normal CD case. It can easily be done. I smell UBI's profit squeezing interests here.

Even a very marginal game like Wings of War was released as a DVD, so Gathering clearly didn't see it as detrimental to their sales.

DVD-ROMs can cost less than a computer game (e.g., http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/cdanddvdreaderswriters/dvd-roms/productView.htm?quicklinx=30M6 that's about US$30), so if you have the technical ability to install one, I don't see too much excuse for not upgrading.

If you've built your own computer in the last couple of years, it would be very surprising if you hadn't put a DVD ROM into it. If not, you must have been working on an amazingly tight budget.

I will be gob-smacked amazed if any company has been selling a PC worthy of gaming in the last four years without a DVD ROM drive in it.

So are the "60 - 70%" of lost sales due to people with 'very' old computers? To my mind, a computer that doesn't have a DVD ROM is very likely to be below or just on the requirement to play PF. That's why I'm surprised that such equipment would constitute 60 - 70% of sales, but then again, some things are stranger than fiction.

I look forward to the day that 1C:Maddox games is freed from the shackles of UBI's (mis)managment.

Alexi

carguy_
09-27-2004, 10:52 AM
I understand the choice of CD release completely.More than few people that bought this game have many hard budget dillemmas.

As an example for 10 of my friends only one has the DVD thing.Now it`s not worth to get a DVD,DVD/RW is only reasonable choice.Here it`s about 80$ of money that needs to be spent on other things - memory,motherboard.

Did you people forget that about 70% FBAEP customers are offliners?Same case;problem -=self centering=-

Chuck_Older
09-27-2004, 02:52 PM
Hi Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
09-27-2004, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metalarms:
How about 3 CDs ?
Man, I'm so brilliant, sometimes it scares me, but I have no excuses, I work in computers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great idea...but I think costs go up with that. Probably something innane and stupid but thats it. Besides, if we know that a patch will follow with more flaybles and AI right after release...doesn't make too much difference. The internet is becoming more of a release tool than ever before.

I feel for the 56k'er group.

Copperhead310th
09-27-2004, 03:29 PM
Oleg,
We have been working on Regimentals for PF.
they are top quality BMP's done by a professional graphic artist we have in our squadron. Can i send those to you to look at for inclution in a latter patch or add on?

So far we have all of the USAAF P-61 Black Widow Squadrons Compleate, Most of the 5th AF Groups & Squadrons, and all of the air groups for the USS Enterprise and a few for the Lexinton. We worked really hard on these. and all we ask is that you just have a look please.
thanks Oleg. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chuck_Older
09-27-2004, 03:32 PM
Trust me, in a Production environment, if you have packaging for a two pack, and then decide at the last second to go with a three pack, it's like doing to things simultaneously:

First, it's like filling an armored car full of cash and then blowing it to smithereens, and secondly, makes you awfully unpopular with the folks that have to make the numbers add up at the end of the day, because you just gave two things instead of three, probably at the same price as for just two, footed the bill for the change up, wasted the inventory you had in stock for the two pack (which means space was lost to that dedicated product, your overhead just went up), and now you have to buy the three pack packaging last second, sweat the delivery date, and then re-warehouse all the new packaging while continuing to warehouse the old packaging.

Not a good way to become rich!

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alexi_Alx_Anova:
With all due respect and homage to Oleg, I'm surprised if this is true.

Doom and many other games were released on three CDs in a fairly normal CD case. It can easily be done. I smell UBI's profit squeezing interests here.

Even a very marginal game like Wings of War was released as a DVD, so Gathering clearly didn't see it as detrimental to their sales.

DVD-ROMs can cost less than a computer game (e.g., http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/components/cdanddvdreaderswriters/dvd-roms/productView.htm?quicklinx=30M6 that's about US$30), so if you have the technical ability to install one, I don't see too much excuse for not upgrading.

If you've built your own computer in the last couple of years, it would be very surprising if you hadn't put a DVD ROM into it. If not, you must have been working on an amazingly tight budget.

I will be gob-smacked amazed if any company has been selling a PC worthy of gaming in the last four years without a DVD ROM drive in it.

So are the "60 - 70%" of lost sales due to people with 'very' old computers? To my mind, a computer that doesn't have a DVD ROM is very likely to be below or just on the requirement to play PF. That's why I'm surprised that such equipment would constitute 60 - 70% of sales, but then again, some things are stranger than fiction.

I look forward to the day that 1C:Maddox games is freed from the shackles of UBI's (mis)managment.

Alexi <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

withthe two types of install (stand alone and merget with FB+AEP) we can have 2 or 4 CDs release.

Chose - 2.

Freycinet
09-27-2004, 04:11 PM
...apart from the space and cost considerations, it makes sense to have an add-on, which can also serve as a patch with the (inevitable) corrections needed after the release.

- that's the 1C-maddox-way and it has hitherto been a great way to improve the game, since an untold number of customers get to test the product and find bugs.

Oleg_Maddox
09-27-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metalarms:
How about 3 CDs ?
Man, I'm so brilliant, sometimes it scares me, but I have no excuses, I work in computers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great idea...but I think costs go up with that. Probably something innane and stupid but thats it. Besides, if we know that a patch will follow with more flaybles and AI right after release...doesn't make too much difference. The internet is becoming more of a release tool than ever before.

I feel for the 56k'er group. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you completely.... and some simply take the full games from internet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Obi_Kwiet
09-27-2004, 04:54 PM
Wow. I never thought that game would be limited by CD space. Interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oleg I haave a question. I know that the next patch will have PF stuff and alot of 3rd party stuff that was for AEP. Will there be two seprate patches, one with PF stuff for PF only, and one with AEP 3rd party stuff for both games. That way AEP only people could install that patch, and the people with both games could install both.

Copperhead310th
09-27-2004, 05:23 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The_Pharoah
09-27-2004, 05:50 PM
Oleg mate, put whatever you want on how many ever CD's and I'll buy it. Heck, if you released a pack of 2 cd's with just pics of you I'd buy it! catch my drift? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif lol

Anyway, understand completely. I personally don't have a DVD rom and don't think I'll be getting one in the near future - I'd rather spend that money on a vid card upgrade or PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I guess, with a patch to be released post PF, you'll keep everyone happy.

I know its a pain, but have you thought of installing CD keys or something to avoid copyright infringement? I have seen full copies of IL2, FB, and AEP on Overnet and Kazaa which pains me as you guys are missing out on the well earned revenue.

Aeronautico
09-27-2004, 06:49 PM
What were you doing on Overnet and Kazaa?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

A!

ScrapMetalFlyer
09-27-2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> withthe two types of install (stand alone and merget with FB+AEP) we can have 2 or 4 CDs release.

Chose - 2. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait wait wait..... so does this mean that the game will be an ADDON to FB? If its a standalone game then why would you merge it with FB+AEP?

Metalarms
09-28-2004, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Trust me, in a Production environment, if you have packaging for a two pack, and then decide at the last second to go with a three pack, it's like doing to things simultaneously:

First, it's like filling an armored car full of cash and then blowing it to smithereens, and secondly, makes you awfully unpopular with the folks that have to make the numbers add up at the end of the day, because you just gave two things instead of three, probably at the same price as for just two, footed the bill for the change up, wasted the inventory you had in stock for the two pack (which means space was lost to that dedicated product, your overhead just went up), and now you have to buy the three pack packaging last second, sweat the delivery date, and then re-warehouse all the new packaging while continuing to warehouse the old packaging.

Not a good way to become rich! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To avoid this, there's a magic word : plan things....

csThor
09-28-2004, 01:28 AM
Copperhead send me a mail to csthor@hotmail.com

I'll try to get Oleg's attention to your efforts.

F19_Orheim
09-28-2004, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScrapMetalFlyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> withthe two types of install (stand alone and merget with FB+AEP) we can have 2 or 4 CDs release.

Chose - 2. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait wait wait..... so does this mean that the game will be an ADDON to FB? If its a standalone game then why would you merge it with FB+AEP? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You will get 2 installation options:

Standalone
Merge with FB


A brilliant choice of solution in my opinion....

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-28-2004, 06:54 AM
Thanks for the info Oleg. I would also like to ask the same question as was posted earlier in this thread.

Concerning the follow-up patch for PF. Will this be the patch that was spoken of to closely follow the release of PF and include the Ju88 et al?

Bearcat99
09-28-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
Which is quite sad. I mean DVD-ROMs are not that expensive today, I mean I do have a Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW and it did not push my bank account into the abyss (not even remotely). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True that.. but some folks may not have them yet and if you want to reach a wider selection of people the smart thing to do is go with the CD for now.... you know everyone has one of those. Im just glad that there will be a lot to look forward to in the patch. Just the fact that he said hthey couldnt get it all on the CDs means there will definitely be some hefty worthwhile patches coming. And since he said that they cant get them on the CD I think I can safely assume that the data is already there so they will most likely wait to see what bugs arise in the PF release and add the fixes to the already or near ready first patch. Sounmds like a winner to me.

Chuck_Older
09-28-2004, 07:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metalarms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Trust me, in a Production environment, if you have packaging for a two pack, and then decide at the last second to go with a three pack, it's like doing to things simultaneously:

First, it's like filling an armored car full of cash and then blowing it to smithereens, and secondly, makes you awfully unpopular with the folks that have to make the numbers add up at the end of the day, because you just gave two things instead of three, probably at the same price as for just two, footed the bill for the change up, wasted the inventory you had in stock for the two pack (which means space was lost to that dedicated product, your overhead just went up), and now you have to buy the three pack packaging last second, sweat the delivery date, and then re-warehouse all the new packaging while continuing to warehouse the old packaging.

Not a good way to become rich! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To avoid this, there's a magic word : plan things.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's two words.

And I guess you missed the part where I said "if you decide to change at the last second". That means :change of plans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Thanks for playin

p1ngu666
09-28-2004, 07:27 AM
hey oleg, could i have your email addy, i have some stuff u will be interested in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

also i guess if they added a 3rd cd, on the complete pack (fb + aces + pf and maybe luthers thingy i forget its name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) then your looking at 5/6 cds. guess the pressing costs (setup, not per cd cost which is tiny) is the reason. bit of a shame for offwhine players who wont/cant get patches..

Metalarms
09-28-2004, 09:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metalarms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Trust me, in a Production environment, if you have packaging for a two pack, and then decide at the last second to go with a three pack, it's like doing to things simultaneously:

First, it's like filling an armored car full of cash and then blowing it to smithereens, and secondly, makes you awfully unpopular with the folks that have to make the numbers add up at the end of the day, because you just gave two things instead of three, probably at the same price as for just two, footed the bill for the change up, wasted the inventory you had in stock for the two pack (which means space was lost to that dedicated product, your overhead just went up), and now you have to buy the three pack packaging last second, sweat the delivery date, and then re-warehouse all the new packaging while continuing to warehouse the old packaging.

Not a good way to become rich! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To avoid this, there's a magic word : plan things.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's two words.

And I guess you missed the part where I said "if you decide to change at the last second". That means :change of plans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Thanks for playin <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you decide to change at the last second that means that you didn't plan anything...
Best regards
PS English is not my first language, but finding the people here more interesting than on the French forum, I make efforts.

Chuck_Older
09-28-2004, 10:40 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What's this all about?

Production doesn't dictate change. They react to it.

Really, what's this 'argument' all about? Tell me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Freycinet
09-28-2004, 10:54 AM
I'm still holding out for the 300 floppy disk release, not everybody have cd-drives you know!

Foo.bar
09-28-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
Sorry, we don't include users skins in a sim.
You has wrong info. Luthier can't control such things. This subject is under control of me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mr. maddox, what about Ju-52? there are several excellent skins made by jutocsa on www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com). some of them were even made by me. is it possible to put in some of that skins into game by default?

owlwatcher
09-28-2004, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
I'm still holding out for the 300 floppy disk release, not everybody have cd-drives you know! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy that brings back some bad memorys of reinstalling every thing.
By the way the 297th floppy
has gone bad.
Start over.

20 dollars gets a nice CD playef

One13
09-28-2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foo.bar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
Sorry, we don't include users skins in a sim.
You has wrong info. Luthier can't control such things. This subject is under control of me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mr. maddox, what about Ju-52? there are several excellent skins made by jutocsa on http://www.il2skins.com. some of them were even made by me. is it possible to put in some of that skins into game by default? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We don't need extra default skins, it is so easy to download what you want from Il2skins.
Why take up space on the CD's with something you can download for free?

I would be interested though in knowing what Oleg thinks of Il2skins & if he uses it.


As to the size of PF on CD's, would it not be possible to do both CD and DVD release at the same time?
I have dial-up at present so I am not looking foward to a very large first patch.

Copperhead310th
09-28-2004, 04:35 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">@CSThor- Check your pt's</span>

Metalarms
09-29-2004, 01:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What's this all about?

Production doesn't dictate change. They react to it.

Really, what's this 'argument' all about? Tell me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but if you're a good producer, you're supposed to control them. Anyway, you're right, this discussion is pointless.
Have a good day

Metalarms
09-29-2004, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by owlwatcher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
I'm still holding out for the 300 floppy disk release, not everybody have cd-drives you know! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy that brings back some bad memorys of reinstalling every thing.
By the way the 297th floppy
has gone bad.
Start over.

20 dollars gets a nice CD playef <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the game must be playable with no hard drive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
09-29-2004, 01:59 AM
Sorry Copperhead ... my PT's are as deserted as Death Valley. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Chuck_Older
09-29-2004, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Metalarms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What's this all about?

Production doesn't dictate change. They react to it.

Really, what's this 'argument' all about? Tell me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but if you're a good producer, you're supposed to control them. Anyway, you're right, this discussion is pointless.
Have a good day <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We must be in different businesses, I think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snootles
09-29-2004, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm still holding out for the 300 floppy disk release <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

System Shock, anyone? My, what a fantastic game...

Copperhead310th
09-30-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
Sorry Copperhead ... my PT's are as deserted as Death Valley. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah i know man...my fault. never got around to it. posted the CHECK your pt's before i wrote a PT. lol

when i went to send yas one....the damn boards went to cr@p and wouldn't let me post one.
i'll send you an email tonight.

csThor
09-30-2004, 11:35 PM
Answering make take a day or two. I'll be off till Sunday, but I'll make sure to forward your offer to Oleg.

WUAF_Co_Mantis
10-01-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I know its a pain, but have you thought of installing CD keys or something to avoid copyright infringement? I have seen full copies of IL2, FB, and AEP on Overnet and Kazaa which pains me as you guys are missing out on the well earned revenue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm down in New Zealand, and its happened after every game update, i have to wait an extra month for the new game (I got so sick of this someone mailed me a copy of AEP in the post).

I know people in NZ and other countries that have to wait longer who download a copy of the new update off the internet, but also purchase a copy when its avaliable (or by pre order)

This way they play with the downloaded copy, but when they get their legit copy they install that instead.

actionhank1786
10-01-2004, 09:46 AM
Oleg you're the best!
I can't wait to get this game into my hands!
Your work is always the best!

csThor
10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
@ Copperhead

In case you sent something I haven't received any mail lately. I hope my mail provider doesn't have a hiccup period http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Copperhead310th
10-04-2004, 12:50 AM
Sorry man been really busy.

in any ase thanks any way. Ivan alrady got in touch with Oleg. And as i thought it's way too late. But we're holding out for the patch.
So we'll try and get it too him for the patch.
thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
10-04-2004, 01:34 AM
I had also thought it would be for a later patch. Problem solved, no work for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LittleMadZ
10-04-2004, 06:45 AM
Hi Oleg, i hope you will read this post, i want just to say this:

THANKS!!! But really THANKS!!!!

Your simulator is a dream! Don't stop doing your job in this way, there are a lot of things that we are still waiting from you ;-) ................ and in the meantime please don't forget our so awaited italian planes ;-))))

Salute to you and family.

Madz

DuxCorvan
10-04-2004, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
I'm still holding out for the 300 floppy disk release, not everybody have cd-drives you know! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(Sigh!) Now I'll have to change my 5.25" 360Kb unit and buy one of those 3.5" 720Kb supermodern monstruosities... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif BTW, what are those round specular things with a hole in the middle? Oleg, don't distribute your games in such eccentrical formats, or you'll sell nothing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Now seriously: if the package is ready for two CDs... what about 2 DVDs? Don't forget one thing: if a guy cannot afford a DVD-reader -not DVD-RW, but only reader, this is about 35$- nowadays, he'll hardly will afford the graphics card and the RAM that PF will need to run properly... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Snuffy Smith
10-08-2004, 02:04 PM
See very first, beginning post at top.