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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:39 PM
It's not an advertisement, I am just telling what I feel inside my brains.

I am a growing pilot in VOW and the feeling of being a real pilot is so thrill. I just finished a mission, in which I took out 2 jugs and managed to make it home in one piece.

I was in a BF109G-10 with MG151 gunports on board. our 109Gs' mission was to cover a couple of FW190F8s which were supposed to destory some ground targets. our counterparts were US P47Ds which had a purpose either to intercept the 190s or try to kill us 109 before we get them.

After a boring flight and when I was right over the target zone I saw a jug, of which the pilot didn't notice me and kept his level flight. He didnt have a wingman either, so it's an easy target for me. I managed to chop a wing off him with a mixure of 20MM and 30MM shell burst in one pass. This amased me a lot, really. Ya know, it's the Flying-Tank JUG and only in one pass he fell...kinda unbelievable, hun? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif well I did it.

Then I heard my friend's call that he was in trouble. I asked him for his current position and banked my plane to him. I saw a dot was chasing another dot, only the later dot was smoking quite badly. I immediately knew it was him.
so I followed the chasing dot and waited it to become the silluatte of a jug. the jug pilot saw me closing in at the final moment and broke off. I managed to catch him in my revi and fired all my weapons. I saw the impact and debris were falling too. but the point is, the jug was still in the air. He now began his wild dance and tried to shake me off. but at such a low altitude in a wounded jug, even the legendary Richtholfen can't outturn a Gustav. So the destiny of the jug was settled.

With two jugs downed and no other VVS human planes in the air, I was more than happy. So I decided to go home. Just when I was crusing cosily at around 3,000M I heard a trace of strange engine sound: some bogey is closing in my six. I was scared by the theme when I turned my head: TWO GREEN JUG(P47D-22) are on my six!!! AI P47!!! In a splash the leader started firing! I saw swarms of .50 cal coming my way, flying besides my canopy. out of instiction I banked sharply to the left, so hard that I blacked-out, but I could still hear that the frightening .50 cals were squeezing bullets at me. I was hot-brained enough to push the stick and started my diving "escape", which could turn out to be a suicide against a jug. Only after I heard the impact of bullets biting did I realise my chasers this time were not some slow russian LaGGies or Yakkies but full-metal covered, heavy as a tank, perfect for diving, US made, P-47 Thounder Bolt....... How stupid I was!!! So I eased up a little bit, threw the stick to the sides and turned into a scissor, so as to make me a harder target. I did the scissors very carefully not to let my speed drop, After a terror-stricken ride of 2 minutes or so, my six was finally cleared, the jugs vanished just like their apperance. After that, I kept at around 500Km/h way home.

After I shut down my engine, I felt an enormous relief that no other online experience ever granted me. In VOW you really get to know the ADVANTAGES luftwaffe planes possesed such as SPEED and FIREPOWER. You have to fight for your life. If you wanna live, fly like a real pilot, avoid low speed dogfight for your assake, use your speed, use the right tactics, hit the enemy and meanwhile keep yourself alive.


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:39 PM
It's not an advertisement, I am just telling what I feel inside my brains.

I am a growing pilot in VOW and the feeling of being a real pilot is so thrill. I just finished a mission, in which I took out 2 jugs and managed to make it home in one piece.

I was in a BF109G-10 with MG151 gunports on board. our 109Gs' mission was to cover a couple of FW190F8s which were supposed to destory some ground targets. our counterparts were US P47Ds which had a purpose either to intercept the 190s or try to kill us 109 before we get them.

After a boring flight and when I was right over the target zone I saw a jug, of which the pilot didn't notice me and kept his level flight. He didnt have a wingman either, so it's an easy target for me. I managed to chop a wing off him with a mixure of 20MM and 30MM shell burst in one pass. This amased me a lot, really. Ya know, it's the Flying-Tank JUG and only in one pass he fell...kinda unbelievable, hun? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif well I did it.

Then I heard my friend's call that he was in trouble. I asked him for his current position and banked my plane to him. I saw a dot was chasing another dot, only the later dot was smoking quite badly. I immediately knew it was him.
so I followed the chasing dot and waited it to become the silluatte of a jug. the jug pilot saw me closing in at the final moment and broke off. I managed to catch him in my revi and fired all my weapons. I saw the impact and debris were falling too. but the point is, the jug was still in the air. He now began his wild dance and tried to shake me off. but at such a low altitude in a wounded jug, even the legendary Richtholfen can't outturn a Gustav. So the destiny of the jug was settled.

With two jugs downed and no other VVS human planes in the air, I was more than happy. So I decided to go home. Just when I was crusing cosily at around 3,000M I heard a trace of strange engine sound: some bogey is closing in my six. I was scared by the theme when I turned my head: TWO GREEN JUG(P47D-22) are on my six!!! AI P47!!! In a splash the leader started firing! I saw swarms of .50 cal coming my way, flying besides my canopy. out of instiction I banked sharply to the left, so hard that I blacked-out, but I could still hear that the frightening .50 cals were squeezing bullets at me. I was hot-brained enough to push the stick and started my diving "escape", which could turn out to be a suicide against a jug. Only after I heard the impact of bullets biting did I realise my chasers this time were not some slow russian LaGGies or Yakkies but full-metal covered, heavy as a tank, perfect for diving, US made, P-47 Thounder Bolt....... How stupid I was!!! So I eased up a little bit, threw the stick to the sides and turned into a scissor, so as to make me a harder target. I did the scissors very carefully not to let my speed drop, After a terror-stricken ride of 2 minutes or so, my six was finally cleared, the jugs vanished just like their apperance. After that, I kept at around 500Km/h way home.

After I shut down my engine, I felt an enormous relief that no other online experience ever granted me. In VOW you really get to know the ADVANTAGES luftwaffe planes possesed such as SPEED and FIREPOWER. You have to fight for your life. If you wanna live, fly like a real pilot, avoid low speed dogfight for your assake, use your speed, use the right tactics, hit the enemy and meanwhile keep yourself alive.


Thank you for your time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:42 PM
Interesting read. Good for you mate. I would participate, just simply no time for it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I get interrupted too often hehe.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:43 PM
Let me guess: your squad hosted the mission, right?


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:43 PM
Sounds good for a campaign league.

There will be a dedicated Dog Fight league starting up soon called Ghost Skies, so DF's won't be a waste of time any more. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:47 PM
MIG7 wrote:
- Let me guess: your squad hosted the mission, right?
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Ya guessed it wrong, m8~ /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I had participated in 13 missions and only one was hosted by my squadmate.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:48 PM
were can we find this VOW? and Ghost Skies for that matter..



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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:51 PM
crunchieone wrote:
- were can we find this VOW? and Ghost Skies for that
- matter..
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VOW is here
http://www.vow-hq.com/



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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 10:53 PM
Crash_Man wrote:
- Sounds good for a campaign league.
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- There will be a dedicated Dog Fight league starting
- up soon called Ghost Skies, so DF's won't be a waste
- of time any more.

Really? that sure sounds like fun /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 11:02 PM
I'll pass some info to JG54

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 11:55 PM
RedMelody wrote:

was hosted by my squadmate.
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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:19 AM
D'love to, but you have to join a squad /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:25 AM
nicolas10 wrote:

- D'love to, but you have to join a squad. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



No, Nic.


You can join the free blue or red units.

They aren`t squads.


Just a question of organisation. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:39 AM
Killin p47's in this game is hardly an accomplishment.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:41 AM
WalterMitty wrote:
- Killin p47's in this game is hardly an
- accomplishment.
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I think you will find that it depends on the opponant.

The Jambok squad fly them quite often and they use very slick boom and zoom tactics that have obviously been very well practiced.



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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:52 AM
Dammit I joined and all, then went to HL and asked if I could participate and a guy said that I needed to be in a squad!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:01 PM
Red, you just described everything that's WRONG with VOW.

Sure you had a good time. You flew LW. And I'll bet it was a Ramstein mission.

But why were P-47s being used as fighters (they never were historically by the Soviets)? Try flying the game VVS and you'll see what I mean.

The LW missions (the vast, vast majority) are written by Ramstein, who belongs to the unit that puts on the game. Ramstein porked the missions he wrote for IL-2 and he porks them for FB. The game is a turkey shoot for the LW.

I have nothing against the guy. Don't think I've ever even seen him on line. But he always has written missions in which the LW had the better planes. I wouldn't fly his single missions in IL-2 for the same reason.

Look at the past missions you've flown. Get the detailed profiles out. Look at the plane sets on both sides. Invariably, the VVS gets whatever crap planes are in that historical period. I've never see so many Laggs and Migs and Yak9Ds and P-39s. Look at the kills. I flew a mission today in which there were three VVS kills (one by an IL-2 and two in -- you got it! -- MiGs) while the and 109F and 109G-equipped LW got 11 kills. What's wrong with this picture?

I made that comment in a recent mission in which there were P-39Q10s. And a LW pilot said "The Q10 is a fast plane." And I said, "Yup, 550 kph at sea level. BUT the 109G6A/S you guys have goes 582 kph on the deck." This morning I flew a mission with which 109G6A/Ss were flying against P-47s (536 kph at sea level).

This is the rule, not the exception. Until the German squad that runs VOW gets rid of that Duetscheland Uber Alles mentality and makes the missions balanced, VOW is just a nice concept ruined by nationalism.

I fly it once in awhile, maybe a couple times a day, largely because Coops have died in FB (a pity) and that's all there is outside of the DF arenas (or VEF but I am not a fan of computer generated missions, they really can be out of whack). But when I do fly VOW, I fully expect the entire VVS force to be wiped out and quite often it is. I flew two IL-2 missions this morning in VOW and all were kille in the first and I was the only survivor in the second (limped back witheverything but my aileropns gone) because the LW guy who wrote the mission went berzerk putting ack on the fields.

Sorry if this brands me as a "whiner" or,as carguy would say, "rude," but I call it being the "squeaky wheel." Maybe if they see enough complaints they'll make the planesets more equal. I would like to se VOW realize its potential but right now it's just too out of balance.

But, yes, if you fly LW, you should love it.

ttt



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Message Edited on 06/18/0311:06AM by tttiger

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:06 PM
I'm happy for you. I don't consider DFs a waste of my time though. Scripted servers are fun. Flying with the guys you've known for over a year now is even better. I like flying my non-scripted server too. To each his own.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:24 PM
RedMelody

I have a couple of comments.

How is any different than an offline campaign? After all, you said the Jugs were AI. No lag/warp offline either.


Second comment is, why didn't you climb away from the Jugs?


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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:34 PM
tttiger, I've got to disagree with you on this.

During a Coop mission on HL several months ago, we found ourselves taking Yak-1b's up against FW-190A-5's.

"What kind of moron sends up 1b's against 190's?" complained one of my team-mates.

"The Soviet Air Force," came my historical response.

Ian Boys has posted a historically based table showing the average breakdown for 300 planes according to year and location. The first thing you notice is that the Soviets pretty much threw everything but the kitchen sink at the Luftwaffe. Hey, wanna take a Yak-7B up in early '44? Well, they did it.

I've played 2 VOW missions so far. Granted, that's a small sample but I have no complaints about the mix that I saw.

In the first, we had Yak-1's and I-16's going up against 109F's. In the second, it was Yak-9U's vs. 190A8's.

I think both of those were historic selections.

I'm looking forward to flying VOW again.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:57 PM
VOW is poor cause warping is so f frustrating there...

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:57 PM
VOW is cool but we need a dedicated server (s) for continuous online battles - waited between 20 and 30 mins to get a flight...sigh - lots to learn from AH guys.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:36 AM
Crapgame, if those were the matchups you saw, I would be pleased to fly them.

I agree, historically a LW suqad with brand new planes might meet a VVS squad with two-year-old planes. No question.

But when there is (what appears to me) a constant repetition of the best 1944 LW planes flying against VVS planes that don't include Yak-3s or LA7s but instead have 1943 Lagg-3s and 1944 P-39Qs (The P-39Q series was all 1943, by the way, an error Oleg has acknowledged but never corrected) there is something yeally wrong.

The advantage is subtle, but it's clearly there. It's not 20 109Ks versus 5 Mig-3s. But it is 109F4s and 109G2s fighting MiGs and early Laggs. Without a Yak-1B or even a Rata in sight.

Again, I fly it (they may ban me after these posts) but it's often unfair from the get go. I accept that because it's the only game in town but that doesn't make it right.

When you've flown about 20 LW missions and mot just two, go back and look at the plane sets. And go back and look at the kills. If you don't see a pro-LW trend in the German missions (there are very few VVS misssions), tell me so. I think you will.

There are other problems. Lag often is horrible with planes warping all over the sky. And you can easily wait 20 minutes for a game to get organized and start. Sometimes it's closer to an hour.

Yes, dedicated servers would be great.

Aloha & S!

tttiger

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 08:57 AM
I fly VOW and VEF from beginning. (sadly much VOW)

I think dedicated servers and their wars are very different from VOW or VEF style wars. In these missions u have to fly for complete the mission and go back in one piece. You always get an exact target and you forced to fly as a squad member. Teams have to organize themselves with voice comms for win missions and prevent losses. These cause more professional teamwork, fighting and using more tactcial element.

Waiting for missions at evenings worths the feeling and experience. (at least for me)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Dedicated servers always open for fight. This is good, but this kind of fights will never got same level of professionalism which in VEF or VOW.

There is an other question: wich war is better, VEF2 or VOW?

Now VOW is the most popular.

At evenings hundred and so mission flown and hosted.
Missions are handmade. No historical fidelity, no dinamic campaign, no frontline moving, no balance between sides (or at least historical numbers of forces), no available resourches, no ground battles, and so on.....

But we can choose where we fly missions( Center North South), we can shoot down planes, destroy ground targets, sink ships, attack towns, airfields, attack and escort bombers for collecting points, medals and trying to keep our personas alive as long as possible.

What we are and what our team is doing, are reflect only our side's score board, like sporting...

Frontline wont move just an inch, becouse we win for example two or three mission in same area. Enemys resources wont be less because this and their AF wont knoced out from using, because we bombed these....

VOW is same as VEF1 was. Good team dogfights, score and kill hunting and getting a BLUE or RED WON message...

But nothing much....

After VEF1 the Community wanted more complex battles, they wanted to make effect to the war as much as it possible. Ppl wanted to change history. Members talked about how they can change the war by winning.

Now VEF2 built for these needs. Its working and we can get all those soo good features: dinamic frontline, resourches for sides, air superiority, knocking out supply lines and AF-s, Takes enemy Towns and territories, planning attacks, choosing target areas and mission styles, detailed statistics and ranking system( this is a part of VOW too).

aaand you wont have to wait for the strange, very unrealistic RED-BLUE WON message!!

and so on...

I ask, wich is better??

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 09:55 AM
You guys (tttiger mainly) do know that the VVS build missions for VOW too, don't you?

Last mission I flew was G-6 Early CAP vs LaGG-3 & Yak-9D - what's wrong with that?

Mission before that one was Bf109 F-4 Escorting He-111, MiG-3 & I-16's and I-153 on CAP - yeah the 111's got it in the neck - again no problem there.

tttiger always has issues with missions - several times on HL I have had to put up with his sh*t, being called a Nazi isn't something I appreciate - thanks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:47 AM
Ooh, let me guess, tttiger = Charnota? Figures.. *Ignore mode on*

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:05 PM
Tttiger never said anything when LW was forced to take G6Late against Yak9U in VEF,because Starshoy said there wan`t any G6/AS in Crimea.

What about your wonder PK LaGGs?Or crappy G6Early?

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:15 PM
VOW is great, no question. Never seem to experience all this warping everyone keeps harping on about either.

Definitely a squad activity though, voice comms are practically essential with complex mission objectives.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:15 PM
jug?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:27 PM
The missions I flew:

- I153P + IL2 40Late vs. 109E7/Z + 109F4 + JU 87B2
- Yak9D + LaGG3 43 vs. 190F8 + 109G6late
- La5FN + P47D22 vs. 190F8 + 109G6/AS
- Yak1B + Yak9 + La5F vs. 190A5 + 109G6 + Ju87G1
- P39Q1 + Yak9D + Yak9K vs. 109G6/AS + 109G6late
- Yak1 + P40E vs. 109F2 + 109E7/B
- La5FN + P47D22 vs. 190F8 + 109G6/AS
- P39Q1 + LaGG3 43 vs.190A8 + 109G6late + 109G6/AS
- Yak9U + P39Q10 vs. 109G6/AS + 109G6late + 190A8
- I153P + I153M62 vs. 109E7/B + Ju87B2
- Mig3ud vs. 109E4/B + 109F2
- I16Typ24 vs. 109E7/B + 109F2
- Mig3 + Mig3ud + LaGG3 41 + Yak1 vs. 109F4 + 109F2 + 109 E7/B
- Mig3ud vs. 109E7/B + 190A4 + 109F4
- Yak1 + LaGG3 41 + Mig3 + Mig3ud vs. 109F4 + 109E7/B + 109F2 + Ju87B2
- Yak1 + Mig3 + P40E vs. F2A_B239
- I16Typ24 + Mig3 +Mig3ud vs. 109F4 + 109E7/B + 109F2
- LaGG3 43 + IL2 Typ3 + Yak1B vs. 109G6 + 190A5 + 190A4
- La5FN + Yak9T + P47D22 vs. 109G6late + 109G10
- I16Typ24 + Mig3 + Yak1 vs. 109E7/B + 109F2
- LaGG3 43 + Yak1B + Yak9D + IL2 Typ3 vs. 190A5 + 190A4 + 109G6
- I16Typ24 + Mig3ud I16Typ18 vs. 109E7/B
- P39Q1 + La5FN vs. 190A8 + 190F8 + 109G6late
- I16Typ24 + P40E vs. 109E7/Z + 109F4
- La5FN + Yak9D + IL2 Typ3M vs. 109G6/AS + 109G6late


And please note, that I didn't count the AI aircrafts. And very often there were only 2 G10 or G6/AS available, so that the rest of us had to fly G6late or G6.

But better look at the stats (of other pilots) yourself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .



And the lag isn't our fault ... it's the netcode of FB and I guess the patch will help a lot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

tttiger, if you don't like the missions, because they are too difficult for you, stop flying them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . But please don't post stupid lies about them and the missionbuilders, either. Ramstein never built missions for official IL2 online wars.
And btw. his missions always get good reviews from VVS pilots.

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Message Edited on 06/19/0301:31PM by Atzebrueck

Hawgdog
06-19-2003, 12:30 PM
RedMelody wrote:
-
- MIG7 wrote:
-- Let me guess: your squad hosted the mission, right?
--
-
-
- Ya guessed it wrong, m8~

Enlighten me, why would that make a difference in the read??

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:48 PM
That doesn't defeat tttiger's argument mate. Otherwise, I'm allways happy to fly Yak-1b against FW-190A5--I've got all the manouverability, he has speed and firepower--makes it equal IMO. But as VVS in VOW we allways get crap planes against whatever best Germany had at the period. We gat MiG-3s against Emils. We get BROKEN P-40s against Friedrichs. We get 1942 Yak-9s in 1944, etc. etc. I don't say it didn't happen. I say it didn't happen too often. If you look at the proportion of planes VVS really flew in the theatres we fly in in 1943 and 1944 you'll find that we fly only a handful of modern and good planes, while OKL is always on the cutting edge. Most of the missions are a turkey shoot for OKL, no doubt about that, and getting a good score as a VVS player is really hard.

Cess-Crapgame wrote:
- tttiger, I've got to disagree with you on this.
-
- During a Coop mission on HL several months ago, we
- found ourselves taking Yak-1b's up against
- FW-190A-5's.
-
- "What kind of moron sends up 1b's against 190's?"
- complained one of my team-mates.
-
- "The Soviet Air Force," came my historical response.
-
- Ian Boys has posted a historically based table
- showing the average breakdown for 300 planes
- according to year and location. The first thing you
- notice is that the Soviets pretty much threw
- everything but the kitchen sink at the Luftwaffe.
- Hey, wanna take a Yak-7B up in early '44? Well, they
- did it.
-
- I've played 2 VOW missions so far. Granted, that's a
- small sample but I have no complaints about the mix
- that I saw.
-
- In the first, we had Yak-1's and I-16's going up
- against 109F's. In the second, it was Yak-9U's vs.
- 190A8's.
-
- I think both of those were historic selections.
-
- I'm looking forward to flying VOW again.
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 01:12 PM
I have been curiouse ..... How can I join in vow ???



Just wanted too add that if the Plane sets include P39 the N1 should be the ac of choice for the reds Least it would be mine seems funy in a mission I just read all p39s were in it except for the N1 ???

im sure this is not alwayes the case but seems a lil fishey

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 01:19 PM
now, in FB i dont care if i get a G6 early or late against any red planes in 43' /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

max La5FN is comparable to G6 late.

I think when the soo waited patch fix the alt performances, difference will be better for LW at over 4000. But this is another question....


Back to the planesets for online wars. First aim in a historical virtual war is not the balace of forces. If didnt fly any 109G6AS over Crimea in 43, so we shouldn't want it....

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 01:27 PM
Late war VVS I seem to get mainly LaGGs and Yak-9s.

Not too shabby.

That MiG-3's a pig though.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:17 AM
bump/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Hey Guys lets fly VEF!!!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:34 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- RedMelody
-
- I have a couple of comments.
-
-
- How is any different than an offline campaign?
- After all, you said the Jugs were AI. No lag/warp
- offline either.
-


BuzzU:

Yes, the 2 P47D-27 were piloted by humans. but I won't tell you who they were/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Those two at my butt were AI.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:42 AM
BuzzU wrote:

-
- Second comment is, why didn't you climb away from
- the Jugs?
-
-
-
-
- Da Buzz


Sry have to put it in a new post

Thanks to my lousy SA, the jugs were somewhere around 150m behind me and shooting like mad. I guess if i nose up too early i'd be meatminced. I've got to gain some speed before I climb, right? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:48 AM
Its cool but I rather play in a lagg warp free game "unscripted" maybe after the patch the will run smooth and I will play the vow and vef more

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:59 AM
PE_Tigar wrote:
- If you look at the proportion of planes
- VVS really flew in the theatres we fly in in 1943
- and 1944 you'll find that we fly only a handful of
- modern and good planes, while OKL is always on the
- cutting edge. Most of the missions are a turkey
- shoot for OKL, no doubt about that, and getting a
- good score as a VVS player is really hard.



Wrong.From `43 you always get La5F/5FN or P39Q and LW gets G6Late or A8.Do you think escorting ground attacking A8 is easy?We`ve got no chance!All FW190,esp.A8 are crap in FB - they can`t even think of fighting La5F/FN and P39Q.And what`s more,G6 to cover them in attack must go down to 1500m-1000m - that`s a sueside.80% LW escort missions are a loss.

Furthermore until `43 you should be eating grass,but your I16 and I153 obviously have the armor to take even 15mm shots at will.


If you can`t exploit MIG3 abilities it just shows your real flying skills.Newsflash Sherlock!MIG3 isn`t a T&B plane.


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:03 AM
tttiger wrote:
- Red, you just described everything that's WRONG with
- VOW.
-
- Sure you had a good time. You flew LW. And I'll bet
- it was a Ramstein mission.
-
- But why were P-47s being used as fighters (they
- never were historically by the Soviets)? Try flying
- the game VVS and you'll see what I mean. ......
-
..........
- tttiger
-
- "Never wise up a chump!" -- W.C. Fields
-
- Message Edited on 06/18/03 11:06AM by tttiger


I think it must be very tough for the VVS guys, I know. but I guess it's mostlikely historically right. the German had speed and firepower, and speed is the key.

So far I am keeping a 19 to 1 kill/death ratio, I almost avoided every possible turn fight which could result more kills but are also dangerous to myself. In the cockpit of a fast plane such as BF109G-6/AS or FW190D9, you can simplily choose the fight you want and leave those you don't want to bother.

Use the right tactic and keep a good eye on the six, I guess that's it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good luck~


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:55 AM
@carguy

Well, just FYI

http://www.vow-hq.com/index.php?page=mission&action=open&id=2095 (http://www.vow-hq.com/index.php)

http://www.vow-hq.com/index.php?page=mission&action=open&id=2089

http://www.vow-hq.com/index.php?page=mission&action=open&id=2078

http://www.vow-hq.com/index.php?page=mission&action=open&id=2068

So, better get some facts right before opening your mouth, or some crap might start falling out again. And these are missions I flew for the last two days--I haven't made any selection whatsoever. Also, FYI, I do know MiG is not made for t'n'b, the reason I say it's crappy is because it has puny firepower, is really fragile, accelerates poorly and, basically, can't stand a chance against any German fighter one on one on any altitude. Other than that, put your *** where your mouth is, I'm on HL mostly during workday evenings, from 21:00 CET.



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Message Edited on 06/20/0310:58AM by PE_Tigar

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:01 PM
Just my two cents:
I've flew yesterday for the first time on VOW- missions were well balanced- The second mission was escorting IL2 ground attack- plenty of ground targets and some flak- the il2 guys were clever and took out AA first and then had a great time shooting up the target- intelligent flying brings results- most made it back except for one who collided with me through my own stoopid fault- i blame it on the beer. Yeah sure the LW can very often engage and break off when they want- i seem to remember that it was like that in reality.
I greatly enjoyed it and will be flying VOW a lot. My squad mates have been flying it for a while (VVS side) and find good.
However i'll have a go at VEF2 just to check it out- looks good

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:30 PM
Mig has puny firepower?!It has 3 times better guns than Emil or F2!Those green laser ammo rip everything - from control cables,pilot,jamming the guns all the way to the engine.Did you forgot ShVak cannons?It has very good firepower.Don`t let your skills judge it.

Fragile?Equal with Me109 to say the least.

Acceleration?As long as it performs B&Z acceleration isn`t needed.Unless you want to regain E after trying to turn that thing.


Missions.First of all few picked sorties by you don`t prove sh!t.But just to analize them.

Link#1 - not working

Link#2:
-only 2 air kills made by LW to 5VVS
-mix of planes:two IL2 flown by human pilots-it`s not my fault you guys want to fly IL2s,not counting AI you were outnumbered because you wanted it that way
-LW had to go down to destroy IL2 which made them sitting ducks

Looks like you screwed up that mission.LaGGs outperform A5 and G6(only one G2).Mission was lost as you wished it to be.


Link#3:
-planes:
VVS - mix of biggun Yaks and vastly superior P39Q10 against G6late and G14
-mission won,LW smashed to the ground

LW outperormed by VVS planes.


Link#4:
-planes:again one of VVS chooses IL2;Yaks inferior to Me109,LaGG superior to Me109G6late and FW190A8

-mission very balanced;VVS had inferior planes but LW had to go down(sueside) and destroy IL2 what made them vulnerable:VVS won the mission



So Tigar,by providing those links you have proved what was my point in my previous post.


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:35 PM
PE_tigar, I don't see, where the missions are unbalanced ... your links prove nothing.

It's not our fault, if you aren't able to fight G6 (the 109 with the worst performance) in your Yak9.

P39 is from 1944 and Yak9T from 1943, and you had to fight against planes from 1943 and 44, so what.
There are missions, where you have La5FN and we had only G6late. I have never heard one blue pilot complaining.

And 190 as an enemy isn't dangerous, because you don't see anything out of its cockpit /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . The only thing the 190 can do right now is running away /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:37 PM
VEF is very different....

VEF is a Full Real War simulator /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VOW is a Full Real competition /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:09 PM
carguy_ wrote:
- Mig has puny firepower?!It has 3 times better guns
- than Emil or F2!Those green laser ammo rip
- everything - from control cables,pilot,jamming the
- guns all the way to the engine.Did you forgot ShVak
- cannons?It has very good firepower.Don`t let your
- skills judge it.

You call 2 7.62 MGs and one 12.7 MG three times better than 2 7.9 MG and 2 20mm cannons (on Emil)? It may be comparable to F2, but three times better? You are definitely full of it...

- Fragile?Equal with Me109 to say the least.
-
- Acceleration?As long as it performs B&Z acceleration
- isn`t needed.Unless you want to regain E after
- trying to turn that thing.

Does Bf-109 looses all fuel 5 minutes after it has one tank pierced wiith one bullet? I guess no. And stop talking crap about b'n'z in MiG--try it and than speak about it.

-
- Missions.First of all few picked sorties by you
- don`t prove sh!t.But just to analize them.
-
They are not picked. I said that. They are what I flew for the last day or two--in exact order. And they are there to provide your claim that we fly La-5FNs and Q-10s against G-6 Late and A8 is idiotic. Find me a mission with 8 G6 Late against 8 La-5FN, I'll find ten with VVS flying less able aircraft. You would be better analyzing what you said yesterday, guess that stuff you're smoking doesn't leave memory intact.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:21 PM
Atzebrueck wrote:
- PE_tigar, I don't see, where the missions are
- unbalanced ... your links prove nothing.
-
- It's not our fault, if you aren't able to fight G6
- (the 109 with the worst performance) in your Yak9.
-
If you looked at links carefully, you would see that I didn't get shot down in Yak-9 once, in fact I like the plane and in two of those missions yesterday I scored kills against G6--piece of cake.

The links are there to prove that a certain person is not in contact with reality claiming that we fly La-5FN and Q-10s exclusively against G6 and A8. That claim was the answer to my opinion that VVS gets much more second-line aircraft that OKL in VOW, which can be proven true or untrue by simply analyzing missions that were played. I just took a sample of my missions, and there it shows.

- P39 is from 1944 and Yak9T from 1943, and you had to
- fight against planes from 1943 and 44, so what.

I say so what, too. I like both airplanes, but where are these La-5FNs that carguy claims there are?

- There are missions, where you have La5FN and we had
- only G6late. I have never heard one blue pilot
- complaining.
-
Sure, because such missions only exist in your claims. I have seen Me-262 missions against Pe-8--wanna talk about that too? What I'm saying is that in most missions VVS has to fly secon line airplanes.

- And 190 as an enemy isn't dangerous, because you
- don't see anything out of its cockpit /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . The only thing the 190 can do
- right now is running away /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .

I wasn't discussing that at all. Besides (let me use the "argument" of one of OKL pilots) "your lack of skill to fly it doesn't prove anything about the ability of the plane" (surely you understand the joke).

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:26 PM
LW has to fly "second line" aircrafts as often as VVS (there are many G6 and G6late in 44 missions).

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:43 PM
Yes, because that's the right proportion. Didn't OKL fly mostly G-6s on Eastern Front in 1944 and 1945? Correct me if I'm wrong...
On the other hand, I have seen La-7 only once in a VOW mission and it was Rookie AI. God forbid that live pilot should be given that airplane. Besides, it was Balaton mission full of such exotic jems like Doras and K-4s. So when VVS gest something worth mentioning, OKL gets whatever best there is--that's how it goes in VOW. Again, I don't care, I will fly in any online war or wherever I can find enemies fast, just please don't insist on mission design at the current stage being fair and unbiased. I hope mission design will improve when VOW is out of the beta stage.

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