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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:08 PM
Vulch unto others as they vulch unto you. I should be allowed to blow up a bomber on the ground, especially a TB3, if it can bomb ME on the ground. Anyway, admit it, who here has vulched for air superiority?

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:08 PM
Vulch unto others as they vulch unto you. I should be allowed to blow up a bomber on the ground, especially a TB3, if it can bomb ME on the ground. Anyway, admit it, who here has vulched for air superiority?

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:14 PM
Ill admit it if I see a ME262 on the ground Ill vulch it if I have a bomb with me Ill bomb it...

I dont vulch it over & over tho only 1 time then I run away fast LOL

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:14 PM
Vulching is crap! There's no fun in it at all. I thought IL2 was about AIR fighting and sometimes particular ground attack (as long as u sit in a fighter). Also knocking out enemies right after liftoff is no fun - esecially for the enemy ...

Would be better to have more maps with default ground targets at the bases so if u want you can bomb/shoot/crash into those. Others also want to FLY - not always hit 'refly' 40 times in a minute

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:44 PM
You thought IL-2 was about air-to-air? Hmmm. That's a rather strange conclusion considering the game itself was named after a ground-attack plane.

Those that whine about vulching are forgetting we are trying to simulate war here. In war the object is to kill the enemy.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 03:56 PM
Since my server is about hitting the enemy airfield most of the time, vulching is generally allowed. But if somebody is pi55ing the people off he gets the boot.

What sense does it make to vulch bombers? They hit respawn and you vulch again until you run out of ammo? Then they slowly pass over to your airfield and bomb the hell out of it. I do rather let them takeoff and kill em in air.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 04:41 PM
I usually don't vulch while flying a fighter plane, only in a ground attack or a bomber but one time I couldn't stop myself.

I was chasing a Bf109 in my Hurricane IIc near the blue base and he dove down to the deck, I followed but he extended further away, we were flying very low now and he flew over his base in the hope that I would follow him and that I was going to be gunned down by the AAA guns.
I pushed my stick forward and went lower to try and prevent getting hit by the AAA guns and suddenly a Bf109 who was warming up his engine started the taxi away and taxied right through my gunsight.

Well I am sorry but I could not restrain myself and pressed the trigger. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 04:47 PM
Yeah,I vulch! It's quite fun. BUT I only do it on servers that allow it. Otherwise,I don't....

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 05:08 PM
you said that you are trying to simulate war????

well if you are only vulch once
dont vulch then circle round and vulch again

thats like the complete opposite to war!

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Zayets
09-17-2003, 06:08 PM
I vulch everytime I have the occasion. Even on the servers that didn't allowed this. And I was never kicked for doing that because the action was a beauty itself. Nobody saw me coming and when they saw me was too late. Of course , most of the time I end up shoot because everybody jumps on me for revenge but I was never kicked. Maybe I was on the right server or I was playing with real men , not wussies.
I don't understand why is not allowed to straff in a IL2 , Stuka or Jug when they were made for that. For the ones anti-vulch wussies out there beware! I never care that server does not allow vulching. If I feel like I will do it , most of the times I'm shoot before reaching your precious crates on the runway but when I made it ... Beware! That's what I say to you! And you can tell me to your mom you bunch of wussies!Ha! I'll grab the IL now to check your airbase!

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 06:21 PM
Machine gun vulcthing is for wussies. Try running through all the Aircraft up there to take the one guy out on the runway with that 500k bomb your slung all the way over to there base thats real satisfaction. Oh and did i for get Machine Gun vultching is for P ussies



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 06:26 PM
"you said that you are trying to simulate war????

well if you are only vulch once
dont vulch then circle round and vulch again

thats like the complete opposite to war!"


Huh. Maybe I would need to be stoned to understand this.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:51 AM
For those who don't know,vulching happened all the time in WWII. Is it fair? No,but it happened,and be glad you can respawn. They couldn't....

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:35 AM
Well I don't mind vulching it's ok. Yet the problem is in WWII if you read any pilot accounts the one thing none of them really wanted to do was attack an airfield.
They did so in large numbers, and still it was a hairy experience. Vulching for them was if they caught them on the ground during an attack run or catching them on landing approach out away from the AAA.

Yet when I see someone making multiple ground attack runs on an airfield it says there's just not enough AAA there. If he can get away with that it's fine, but there should be thick AAA over airfields.

Other times I see all the AAA will get destroyed at an airfield just to give vulchers a easy run of things. Thats when I hop in a TB-3 and just sit on the runway. I don't even crank the engines. They need a bomb then to get rid of you or make enough passes to kill everyone in the TB-3. I got killed sitting in the pilot seat in a TB-3 once, and about laughed myself to death as it started into a shallow turning dive, and the gunners continued to hammer away downing planes. Although I do believe vulching should be left to ground attack planes.

At the speeds most come zooming across an airfield at they couldn't even dream of pulling up from. That would be my biggest complaint on IL2 really. Is that as long as the wings stay on you don't lose control.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:04 AM
Well, I suppose you should respect the rules of the host if he says no vulching.
I sometimes allow it on my servers and sometimes I don't.

However...
If a bomber is parked on the runway and the pilot is controling the gunners and shooting at NME aircraft from the ground, do you leave him alone?
I say no.
I say he's exploiting the no vulching rule.
Shoot the bugger even if it isn't allowed and to hell with the consequences!

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:48 PM
I say war is cruel.........And vulching is part of it....

Thera
09-23-2003, 05:42 PM
The day fighters stop attacking my bomber in the air is the day I stop attacking fighters on the ground.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:54 PM
Bronco_Nagurski wrote:
- Those that whine about vulching are forgetting we
- are trying to simulate war here. In war the object
- is to kill the enemy.

Rgr that!

It's ironic that some complain that vulching is for cowards or is unfair. A lot of WWII aces racked up over 100 kills by exersizing extreme caution and not engaging the enemy unless they were confident of the outcome and their own safety.

IMHO, vulching is an extention of that doctrine. War is harsh and never fair.

If you don't like it, fly no-vulching servers or start your own.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:58 PM
Sana_HvJ wrote:
- Would be better to have more maps with default
- ground targets at the bases so if u want you can
- bomb/shoot/crash into those. Others also want to FLY
- - not always hit 'refly' 40 times in a minute

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 06:01 PM
necrobaron wrote:
- For those who don't know,vulching happened all the
- time in WWII. Is it fair? No,but it happened,and be
- glad you can respawn. They couldn't....


The problem is this we arent 400 miles apart & if straffing ac on the deck is allowed by all ac then the game turns into a huge vulcher fest no one is df there all just straffing trying to get revenge for being straffed

Il2 & ju87 is the only thing allowed to straff on my server
& I actualy put targets on each base so they have something to bomb then they can straff @ will I also alow fighters packing bombs to bomb the enemy bases any target static or human but not straffing in fighters

straff in my server & I will kick you so fast your head will spin & if you come back Ill Ban you.

Theres no Jets or Rockets on my maps either so theres no reason to wory about having to vulch the 262 or RocketB1

I must say tho if I see a 262 on the deck I will straff it 1 time or bomb it if im packin...

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 06:10 PM
I usually try to scare pilots on the ground. I fly as low as possible and fly past them.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 10:34 AM
Vultch if you cant get a certian guy in the air & you only can get him on the ground

Vultch if you cant DF to save yourself & you want to get kills / points anyway

dont vultch if you like air combat

dont vultch if you like a challenge


Boosher i dont have a problem catching bombers in the air .......

if someone is good enuf to get me shot down more power to them ,.....
wanting to stop them getting their ( deserved ) points by shooting them whilst landing is childish

but then again a lot of Ego Jockeys play Flight Sims .......

Zayets
09-24-2003, 10:43 AM
A warrior's motto:

ALL YOUR BASE ARE US!

hehehehehe.See you down there burning in wreckage. Quite nice kills did last time using the bombs and rockets on the enemy base. AA shot me down twice while some angry pilots shoot me down twice as well. But I bailed out all four times. Vulching is a state of mind. Vulching is a way of living.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 11:02 AM
What? ROTFLMAO!!!
You can't vulch a TB-3! It's impossible! It's just as manueverable, and deadly sitting by the hangar as it is flying around. lol

Heck when the vulching gets bad I'll jump in a TB-3 just to add some AA to the base. I mean it's 6 MG's with 360 degree's of rotation from te horizon on and up, and then some.

On another less comical note I only hate vulching when on a map where the bases do not have any air defenses. In war bases always had air defenses.
You can't vulch somebody sitting at a base that is magically AA free, and then say "Well vulching is part of war."

"AA is part of war too so where is it?"

I say let people culch, but for pitty's sake crank the AA up a notch eh? That makes vulching just as hard as dogfighting. Just a different style of fighting.
Then of course you have those maps with AA and then the first thing the other side does is grabs bombs, and rockets and commence to destroy all the AA. So they can then vulch freely.

Ok so in WAR you cannot land and then refuel, re-arm, and repair in a matter of seconds.
Neither base would have unlimited pilots, and unlimited aircraft.

Frankly it's like camping on a shooting game. It's legit no matter what even if it lowly. People will still gripe about it especially when they get vulched 5+ times in a row.

For some people their entire goal it seems on online games is to ruin what should be a good time for everyone. Example I was flying online, and there was no vulching going on. Everyone was "Nice Kill S!" and whatnot having fun, and showing good sportsmanship.
Suddenly someone got on and started vulching. Then someone vulched the other team back. Next thing you know the real challenge was getting your motor started before you died.
All the sportsmanship was gone etc.
Keywords I think are important...
"Dogfight" - Slang for aerial combat as aircraft chase each others tail.
"Server" - A central computer allowing many computers to connect together.

Thus if it's a Dogfight Server...
Logic says it's created for the purpose of DOGFIGHTING other players. Not bombing, vulching, or strafing.

WAR is the VEF or the VOW. Dogfight servers are for dogfighting. Thats just my opinion of it all.

eskimo-FHmod
09-24-2003, 11:06 AM
i vulch grounded, i vulch landing light on or off.
war is hell.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:48 PM
Pappy Boyington of the famed VMF-214 got 8 of his 13 kills by vulching while flying with AVG Flying Tigers in China. Know what I mean. I guess one could say that war is hell, and it probably *issed those guys off to.

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09-24-2003, 03:03 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 04:38 PM
Vulching is fine except on stupid DF servers with 100 meters between bases. On FR servers, if the enemy was stupid enough not to deploy enough AA around its base it deserves to be punished.

P-47 is especially great as a vulching plane, fast, can carry a respectable bombload, can extend (run) well, can withstand AA, and carries lots of guns.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:17 PM
I can see ground attack planes and bombers using bombs. I can't see vulching constantly and ruining other ppl fun of flying an fighting on a df server. I would toss a constant vulcher as being disruptive to the others. When it get to the piont f not being able to get past starting your engine then it is not a DOG FIGHT sever any more an the vulcher(s) have got to go, If I am not the host then I GO as it is a waste of my time.

good revenge is being in a Pe-8 w/ a 5kg and blowing ur self up and taking the vulcher w/ you! do that enogh and He starts complainning

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:44 PM
since the host is providing the bandwidth and server, why not just abide by their rules? respect and all that good stuff =)
Personally I like the games where bases are far enough apart and have AAA, and vulching is not only allowed, but encouraged. its fun having a guy or 2 fly cover for people taking off, encourages team play instead of all of none and one for one flying.
but if I join a vulching prohibited server, then I respect their game rules, since they're nice enough to let me play.