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poonstain
11-13-2007, 05:56 PM
i dont have my copy of assassins creed yet and ive read quite a few reviews of AC that were sub-par from what it was expected, one of the big complaints being repetitiveness and the AI. i think that many of the reviewers who gave it a low score lacked one thing, which is imagination. Oblivion is a very repetitive (do quests which require you to go to x, do some menial task usually involving collecting or killing, and return to x) game and it got great reviews, and one of the reasons oblivion was fun was because of your imagination. no longer were you constrained by the realm of reality, you could now become the most powerful being in a make believe world, and even though the game is repetitive its still fun because of your imagination.

all games are repetitive, there very few that arent. first person shooters require you to shoot x and navigate to x, but there are still great shooters such as HL2 that are repetitive but their still fun for other reasons such as a gripping storyline (which is something i think AC will have). Most RPG's require you to do quests which are usually repetitive gathering or killing tasks. RTS games require you to build x move x to x and destroy x, while although its quite a bit more complicated its still repetitious.

what im trying to say is that there are plenty of great games that are repetitive and i dont think its fair to give AC such low scores based on that.

as for AI, its nothing new. For example, in oblivion ive seen guards kill a man and then hunker down next to the body to feel his pulse and say "theres a killer on the loose" even though he was the killer. Im sure that the AI problems in AC can be easily fixed. AI in most games today is horrible, Halo 1,2 and 3 all have horrible AI yet the game is still fun.

so dont let the reviews get to you, if your excited to play an assassin game thats original and fun then you have nothing to worry about as long as you have an okay imagination http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

blarson11
11-13-2007, 06:01 PM
nice first post,
and why "poonstain"?

whatever, yeah that bothers a lot of people but i think that with the resources available for the consoles they did what they could. they tried something new and its worth giving the game a shot just for that.

cooldude6681
11-13-2007, 06:08 PM
Wow. There have been very few intelligent posts created today, and that was one of them. Great job, stain http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

poonstain
11-13-2007, 06:09 PM
i dont know why i have that name, i made this ubi account a few years ago when i was like 12, im surprised i remembered the login info.

Pinjani10
11-13-2007, 06:11 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif and the post about and above :P Although every game has a core repetitive task but it is used in different ways, well yeah shooters all you do is shoot move to objectives etc. But there are different things to shoot and different objectives to do :P

blarson11
11-13-2007, 06:11 PM
uh, it says you registered to day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

not that i am offended, i was just curious.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by blarson11:
uh, it says you registered to day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

not that i am offended, i was just curious.

hmm thats weird it says that, i made this account back in the day when i got joint operations.

anyways, thanks for being so posotive, much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

endo23
11-13-2007, 07:14 PM
Yeah I really think it just comes down to what you dig-- I think Halo is IMMENSELY repetitive, watching people play online for hours and hours is sort of like watching someone blow rails all night-- but people can't seem to get enough. Likewise with just about any game ever, from Ms. Pac Man (still a classic) to BioShock (a recent favorite). If you want to reduce a game to its core mechanics, repetition will rear its head. I just think the hype around Assassin's Creed has led to unrealistic expectations.

Nonetheless I hope the dev team hears what its fans and reviewers are saying and tries to balance the sequels accordingly-- diversify the missions, improve the A.I., etc. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to exploring the immense world they've so lovingly crafted.

jp_havok
11-13-2007, 08:23 PM
Man, you are most intelligent 14 year old I have ever seen O_O but age doesn't really matter. But I really and strongly agree with this post. No one even comes close to knowing repetitive until you have played a MMORPG for a few years (like me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif) or Counter-Strike, you your self make things interesting by doing things differently. Probably the best way to look at it.

murdercitydan
11-13-2007, 08:33 PM
Agreed and signed.

I played WoW for a couple years, and was on Counter-Strike for around 5 years.

Games like that are all about what you make it, whether is be the people you play with, the way/style you play it, and just what YOU want with it.

Edit: I don't care what people say, negative or positive, I can NOT wait to play AC tomorrow.

SVTCarnage
11-13-2007, 08:41 PM
I agree poonstain, Oblivions replay value isnt just in the extra quest & other area's you might not have explored but your imagination in making & playing your character.

jp_havok
11-13-2007, 08:50 PM
I actually believe we have some intelligence pumping back into this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

murdercitydan
11-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by jp_havok:
I actually believe we have some intelligence pumping back into this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

We've been around, just couldn't stand replying to all the ignorant posts on the forums. This one seems worthy though.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by jp_havok:
I actually believe we have some intelligence pumping back into this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Ive been watching these forums since and never wanted to post until all the reviews came out.

A game really is what you make it though, and i think a game based on a 12th century assassin is hard to pull off by anybodies standards.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by poonstain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jp_havok:
I actually believe we have some intelligence pumping back into this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Ive been watching these forums since a few days ago and never wanted to post until all the reviews came out.

A game really is what you make it though, and i think a game based on a 12th century assassin is hard to pull off by anybodies standards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

blarson11
11-13-2007, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by murdercitydan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jp_havok:
I actually believe we have some intelligence pumping back into this forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

We've been around, just couldn't stand replying to all the ignorant posts on the forums. This one seems worthy though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif thats why i made an account several months after i fount the site and waited several more before posting. i didn't notice too much that i could add so i just waited until i could.

Tela
11-13-2007, 09:22 PM
Another thing they seemed to be complaining about was gameplay. One of them said something about "Gameplay before story". I, myself, prefer story over gameplay, and AC certainly seems to have an intersting story

poonstain
11-13-2007, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Tela:
Another thing they seemed to be complaining about was gameplay. One of them said something about "Gameplay before story". I, myself, prefer story over gameplay, and AC certainly seems to have an intersting story
story is always first in my mind, if it is a story oriented game. Many good shooters (halo, bioshock, half life) dont have great gameplay but have an awesome story, thats what kept me goin through half life 2. story is the motivation that makes it seem like your killing all those zombies for a reason, and not just killing zombies.

Tela
11-13-2007, 09:36 PM
Same here. If the story is good, I'll play through, even if the controls are horrible. Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness is an example. Loved the story, but nearly broke the system getting frustrated over controls.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Tela:
Same here. If the story is good, I'll play through, even if the controls are horrible. Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness is an example. Loved the story, but nearly broke the system getting frustrated over controls.
i remember a simpler time when most games had little story and mainly gameplay, up until nintendo 64 id say most games were gameplay oriented.

i remember playing elder scrolls morrowind for way longer than i should have, gameplay wasnt that great but the main storyline was AMAZING, probably one of the best RPGS in recent times.

Tela
11-13-2007, 09:54 PM
Certainly simpler. More frustrating to play now, though. For me at least, because I'm used to easier controls. Never did finish Morrowing. Still heading to red mountain. The fighting in that gaem was rather odd.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Tela:
Certainly simpler. More frustrating to play now, though. For me at least, because I'm used to easier controls. Never did finish Morrowing. Still heading to red mountain. The fighting in that gaem was rather odd.
oh goodness, red mountain was like death to me. for some reason that game just kept me hooked all the way through.

Tela
11-13-2007, 10:13 PM
Oh dear...THAT really makes me want to start playing again! Ha, no just kidding. I won't be playing anything but Creed, once I get it.

poonstain
11-13-2007, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Tela:
Oh dear...THAT really makes me want to start playing again! Ha, no just kidding. I won't be playing anything but Creed, once I get it.
hahah well it gets much better once you get out of red mountain. but i wont be playing much once i get AC, i really want to take my time doing all the side quests and stuff but i want to be done by the time mass effect arrives.. oh man that would be a pickle.

Tela
11-13-2007, 10:19 PM
Going to sound kind of stupid, but what is "mass effect"?

blarson11
11-13-2007, 10:23 PM
its an rpg that spans the galaxy.it incorperates 3rd person shooting/combat. from what i hear, the story is gonna be excellent(youshape the galaxy whith your decisions).its made by the same people that made kotor.

Tela
11-13-2007, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by blarson11:
its made by the same people that made kotor.
...They need to spend time on a KOTOR 3, though. So...thst's mass effect?

blarson11
11-13-2007, 10:31 PM
yeah, sorry i dont have more details, but theres always youtube http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif it is up for GOTY and looks to be killer. the conversations are supposed to be spectacular. the story involves a war that could tear appart the galaxy and you are basically the commander of a squad that is supposed to end it before the galaxy literally explodes.

Tela
11-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Sounds kinda like Exiles past from KOTOR 2. I will have to look into that, though.

yehonatan.roth
11-14-2007, 12:58 AM
i belive that when i will be old and Cranky, every game that will launch will have Grade A quality gaming,graphics E.T.C.

and that is by today's standerds...

and people will think its a bad game...

and one game will exceed it all and it will be A hugh game world map with no loading Time WHAT! SO! EVER!

the graphics will be pleasent and not overwhelming...

and you will enjoy quiete beauties of a game world free to what you wish to do...


Ever Scnece to convey the story line will be interactive, not only walking around but doing all the actions that your capable of doing in a normal state,


and the game will adjust accordingley... yet still every time you play the game it will be diffrent...

and it won't ask you to create a charecter unless you REALLY want to...

and the AI will be so good, you will feel a need to read some military tactics only to compelte the game...


paranoid charecters and non shalant charecter...


Stoners and drunks, Cowerds and Stupidley brave...



And all this in a klick of a button...



untill then... i will try to keep my hopes up for AC...


iam sure its a great game and i WILL but it...



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AirRon_2K7
11-14-2007, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Tela:
Sounds kinda like Exiles past from KOTOR 2. I will have to look into that, though.

It isn't KotOR 3, nor is it in any way related to the Star Wars universe.

poonstain
11-14-2007, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Tela:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blarson11:
its made by the same people that made kotor.
...They need to spend time on a KOTOR 3, though. So...thst's mass effect? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah tell me about it, mass effect should be able to quell my longing for KOTOR 3, KOTOR is right up there with some of the top RPG'S

GuStick93
11-14-2007, 06:25 AM
totaly agree with you,tahts what AC is all about,the freedom to kill ur target in the way u want,u can get on the rooftops and kill any archers in sight till u get to ur target,or u could get in thx to social stealth,or of course killing everything standing in the way of ur target.They dont talk about that do they ?

And AI ?
ALL GAMES HAVE HORRIBLE AI
i have halo 3 and twice during the first scarab fight the ******* marine drove us off a cliff.
Oblivion,i started attacking a guy for the dark brotherhood,a guard came in,i started running but when i look back i see the guard is killing the guy i started attacking,i just sat on a chair considering it was in an inn and watched the guy get killed for me xD

And replay value ? im sry but sandbox games are the kind which give the biggest replaybility !
Oblivion i have 200 hours,but my cd broke so i stopped,but im thinking of buying the GOTY version to continue.

The graphics ? one word = amasing

Tela
11-14-2007, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by AirRon_2K7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tela:
Sounds kinda like Exiles past from KOTOR 2. I will have to look into that, though.

It isn't KotOR 3, nor is it in any way related to the Star Wars universe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, I realize that. I was just saying, how the story sounded, sounds kind of like exile. Watched the trailer, and LOOKS different, though.

AirRon_2K7
11-14-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Tela:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AirRon_2K7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tela:
Sounds kinda like Exiles past from KOTOR 2. I will have to look into that, though.

It isn't KotOR 3, nor is it in any way related to the Star Wars universe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, I realize that. I was just saying, how the story sounded, sounds kind of like exile. Watched the trailer, and LOOKS different, though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh cool, alright then. Just didn't want you thinking the wrong thing... I want a new kotor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

spazzoo1025
11-14-2007, 01:22 PM
lol i agree with the AI in Halo, I can't even get them to walk somewhere without having to like throw a grenade and hope they dive in the right way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif