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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:13 PM
I'm using a mig3ud right now, and i'm fairly happy with it's ability to climb high then drop in on people. What is the best plane for this? Is this mig the right one for the job?

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:13 PM
I'm using a mig3ud right now, and i'm fairly happy with it's ability to climb high then drop in on people. What is the best plane for this? Is this mig the right one for the job?

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:23 PM
What are you dropping?Bombs?Take IL2 then/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:26 PM
I think the K4 is the best. Nothing can outclimb it, and it has big cannon for those quick shots. Even if the 108 isn't accurate, it still gets the job done. Patch will make it better hopefully.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:35 PM
Youre going to get many different answers here...

I prefer the 190 A9 with the 108's in the wings. It packs a serious punch. Its fun to watch Hurri's and Yak's disintegrate.

The K4 is a good one too. You lose more E in the 190 going back up, but if you hit the first time you dont much have to worry about that.





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06-20-2003, 07:35 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:37 PM
IMHO the 109-K4 and 190-A9 are the best at the B & Z game.
But if you REALLY want to take it to the edge....try it in a Me-262.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:42 PM
Forget what carguy said. Be like me. Nobody knows what group i'm in. I fly all the planes./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:46 PM
la-7 3 20mm is too good bnz plane,it can easier follow agile plane that make breakturn as a9
and has good zoomclimb

when turn is boring can you with la-7 make good bnz







Message Edited on 06/20/0309:49PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:48 PM
Actually i'm more of a p-51 whiner since it's not flyable in the cockpit. It's my fav plane and i'm going to cry until I can fly it lol. Also, I think that i'm the only person in servers flying a mig. I fly high then drop in firing on them. For the most part it works well, occasionally a yak3 banks hard then I stall trying to follow and by then the yak has shot me down lol.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:52 PM
d9 rox for boom and zoom tactics.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:52 PM
The K4 is my bird of choice.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:14 PM
It should be the p47...

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:19 PM
totally agree on the mig.....

until patch best (in my opinion of course) B&Z is G6AS/R6. It has 3x20mm and 2x13mm. enough to take down a shturmovik or two in one pass. can handle 810 km/h and climbs like a rocket. great spiralclimb ! turnclimb at 300 km/h instead of 260-270 if using the R6 gunpod version.

30mm make me mad and do violent things with keyboard !

However the only plane too really counter this on the red side is a mig. mig3u is a plane that can easily keep up with the 109 - in the long run at least. the lesser or "real" migs are also very good. i go for mig with 2xShvak. they are good against many late-war planes when the fight goes up high.

just dont do any manouvers unless you are either climbing or accelerating. horizontal is a NO-GO

other good B&Zers (again - in my opinion) are P-47D-22 and the Yak-9 series.......if they would not simply disintegrate at high speed like they do now.

can someone tell me please what is good about the Fw now in performing B&Z other then guns and roll rate ? say if you attack fighters in a dive at 750km/h. you fire your lethal burst and plan to pull straight up and get alt and at least 1500m distance between you. ok - you cant pull up quickly because of elevator. you burn speed in a vertical tail stand like a transport-helicopter - the only good thing is that it flips over quiclky in a wingover or a hammerhead-stall. it does not loop well and loses too much speed doing it. and as for its roll rate - the 109 makes a much better evaisive manouver by pushing forward on the stick with full rudder and opposite ailerons then any FW rolling around and eating Shvak ammo with its armour. its climb-rate is like the engine is idle....or somehow not there ! Now i usually do very good in a FW ... better then most planes .. but i always feel like "on the edge" somehow. not in control of the situation like in a 109. people B&Z me instead of me doing the same to them ! i take hits and survive and its heaps of fun... but never could i attack 2 bandits online in a FW and feel secure of the situation ... even with 1000m alt advantage. They are fast... but only "running away" fast.

ZG77_Nagual
06-20-2003, 08:19 PM
For strict bnz I don't think you can beat the 262 - after that probably the g6as - because it seems to turn a little better than the k4 at this point. When the guns get remodeled a bit the Dora will come into it's own more I think.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:30 PM
ZG77_Nagual

The G6a/s turns better than the K4, and that makes it better at B&Z? I have to hear your explanation on that one. The K4 outclimbs the G6a/s, and that makes it a better B&Z plane.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:30 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Forget what carguy said. Be like me. Nobody knows
- what group i'm in. I fly all the planes./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:34 PM
I only whine about running out of peaches../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
06-20-2003, 08:37 PM
Buzzu - I haven't actually tested the in-game climbing g6as v k4 - but you are probably right. What I was referring to is the as seems a little more agile to me - which makes those last second corrections in a dive easier. It also make the as more versatile in a pinch - so it seems to me anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:42 PM
Here's the difference. Climb to 4000m.

109 G6a/s....3.48.....min/sec
K4...........3.12

Real K4......2.52...Sad huh? The best climbing plane in FB, should be even better.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:49 PM
The thread poster may be flying on a "early war" sever or something. Do they let you have 109K or Me262 in 1941?

What year do they let you fly MiG~3U? Six served in Kalinin Front from 1943 without loss. Don't know combat record.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:58 PM
What is a hurricane? I'm new sorry lol

ZG77_Nagual
06-20-2003, 09:00 PM
Yowsa - I'll have to give that one a try. I'm not really a 109 enthusiast - I prefer the 190s and the p39 - but I have to admit they are great dogfighters.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:13 PM
the K-4 climbs a little faster - but is sluggish somehow i think... elevator response is not the same. it´s like a FW109K4 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and that 30mm has mostly blanks in the ammo load it seems.... 20mm works better for me. the turn rate is not only better - it does all manouvers better.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:10 PM
U are right Thor, about the less damaging 30's and the sluggish turning, but.... u shouldn't be TnBin in this plane anyway, and the bullets hurt less than say a G6/AS's 30mm's, but have a higher velocity for some reason and therefore leading is less difficult, and as a plus with the K-4 u get more rounds than with the G6/AS. Although that G6/AS's 30 is still very painful. But I can stomach the K-4's 30mm, if it became more accurate I would love her even more.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:27 PM
109K-4. For people who need more confidence in themselves, K-4/R6 (ouch!). Even though gunpods should hurt climb quite a bit.

190A/R2 is also a great choice, but with current cocpit view, aiming is difficult. No prob though on no-cp servers.

Oh yeah, there are Russian planes in the game, too. I have heard rumors they are actually flyable - is this true? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Seriously, La-7/B-20 is a great one, too. And BandZ is the only way of survival for the P-47, even though climb rate sux, but as long as zoom climb is enough... well if it`s not you are in big trouble, but that`s another question.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:30 PM
The insane amount of ammo the Dora carries makes it a good Z&Ber, 'specially for morons like me who couldn't deflection-shoot a flying barn for a million bucks. Plus the fact that everything on it is automatic helps, and being impossible (well, as far as I'm concerned) to rip your wings fall off on a dive is also a plus.
As long as I have an initial altitude advantage of 1000m or so, and engage targets that are in a swirling dogfight already, it really doesn't make any difference if a 109 can outclimb me or not...I've got too much of an E advantage.
Which really is the whole point of B&Z - as long as you have a major E advantage, it really doesn't matter what plane you're flying, they're all going to outperform someone else in some specific category, but it really doesn't matter. It's the whole "the pilot makes the plane" thing.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:31 PM
I like to B&Z the La5FN/La7. It's very affective. I always thought it's crappy roll rate made it a bad T&B plane.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:32 PM
You have to wait for the patch to get the best BnZer.High speed manuverabilty is the key.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:02 PM
Hehehehe... TB-3!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 01:42 AM
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---You have to wait for the patch to get the best
---BnZer.High speed manuverabilty is the key.

High speed + Manuverability.

um....air to air missiles. Wait for Next Sim. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif