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XyZspineZyX
11-14-2005, 06:41 PM
It would be interesting for the above to occur, as all of us Luftwaffe fiends have flown Emils.
I know it is completely historically inaccurate but it would be good to have a what if, & after all they did make propaganda photos, what do all of you purists think (be nice now)

danjama
11-14-2005, 06:45 PM
interesting....ill give this some thought...

http://www.krystiimelaine.com/chimpanzee%20thinking.jpg

3.JG51_BigBear
11-14-2005, 06:55 PM
There has been some mention made that there would be some limited open source code work on BOB and the Il2 series after BOB's release. I wouldn't be surprised if some third party company ended up adding an He100. It would make for some interesting what ifs.

danjama
11-14-2005, 07:04 PM
There will not be open source work on BOB, mayb MAYBE on forgotten battles/PF but even that will be restricted.

hobnail
11-14-2005, 07:09 PM
Magic Eight Ball says....

http://www.indra.com/8ball/7.gif

darkhorizon11
11-14-2005, 07:11 PM
I haven't heard anything...

Though as far as I know it was never used on the western front, only for a brief period on the eastern front (correct me if I'm wrong there).

Of course I never turn down aircraft, but I think at least for now the effort should be put into getting everything on the west first.

Badsight.
11-14-2005, 07:29 PM
picture is from 2002
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/Heinkel_He-100.jpg

VW-IceFire
11-14-2005, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
There will not be open source work on BOB, mayb MAYBE on forgotten battles/PF but even that will be restricted.
Nope...actually Oleg mentioned that BoB will include some limited ability for 3rd parties to be involved in creating objects and maps for the engine.

The idea would be to have two different "zones" where one would be the actual BoB zone restricted and controlled content. There would be a second unrestricted zone for development of third party projects and small maps. If those projects became viable then they would potentially be included in the restricted zone with a patch.

So it would be the best of both worlds. Oleg announced this in the last month or so.

LEXX_Luthor
11-14-2005, 08:05 PM
Long read on He-100 ~> http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/heinkel_he_100.html

For BoB, the basic fighters and Flyable BOMBERS all with cockpits must come first. But...

A squad of -100D "The Ultimate Doras" http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif served as Heinkel factory defense piloted by Heinkel pilots (the pic below).



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Goebbels publicised the He 100 to the extent that British intelligence reported the He 100 in large scale service as the He 113.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/he100-2.jpg


~> http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/

Many possibly hundreds of British and Soviet pilots' reported engaging Heinkel fighters (usually Messers), such was the success of the propaganda and its impact on WW2. This includes the MiG-3 pilot who was NOT Porkryshin but I can't find his interview at sovietwarplanes website anymore.

-100 could be great option in Dynamic Campaign additions like BoB+ Eastern Front ("return to Eastern Front in 7 years" ~Oleg, last year)

neural_dream
11-14-2005, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by dasriech:
Will the HE 100 be available as a BOB flyable?
Computer says No

http://www.20six.co.uk/pub/notsopinkanymore/computer_saysjpg.jpg

polak5
11-14-2005, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Long read on He-100 ~> http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/heinkel_he_100.html

For BoB, the basic fighters and Flyable BOMBERS all with cockpits must come first. But...

A squad of -100D "The Ultimate Doras" http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif served as Heinkel factory defense piloted by Heinkel pilots (the pic below).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
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Goebbels publicised the He 100 to the extent that British intelligence reported the He 100 in large scale service as the He 113.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/he100-2.jpg


~> http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/

Many possibly hundreds of British and Soviet pilots' reported engaging Heinkel fighters (usually Messers), such was the success of the propaganda and its impact on WW2. This includes the MiG-3 pilot who was NOT Porkryshin but I can't find his interview at sovietwarplanes website anymore.

-100 could be great option in Dynamic Campaign additions like BoB+ Eastern Front ("return to Eastern Front in 7 years" ~Oleg, last year) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lexx its funny u should post that cuz i was just reading up on it. And i myself was wanting this bird. I Want~!

Gibbage1
11-14-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
picture is from 2002


That was a model that was made for IL2/PF, and not near the quality needed for BoB. I think I still have that model on my hard drive somwere. I helped quite a bit on it. I doubt it will ever see the light of day in IL2 or BoB though as there are not enough cockpit referances to satisfy Oleg.

Kocur_
11-14-2005, 10:19 PM
And so the next question would be: did they or did they not install MG FF instead of third MG17 firing through hub http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

alert_1
11-15-2005, 12:51 AM
Hmmmm..He100, I would stick with it from '40 to 44' power loading on pair with Yak 3 and speed of Fw190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It would be total uber plane in BoB.

darkhorizon11
11-15-2005, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
picture is from 2002


That was a model that was made for IL2/PF, and not near the quality needed for BoB. I think I still have that model on my hard drive somwere. I helped quite a bit on it. I doubt it will ever see the light of day in IL2 or BoB though as there are not enough cockpit referances to satisfy Oleg. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand corrected... and I take it there are no surviving He-100s left then?

XyZspineZyX
11-15-2005, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dasriech:
Will the HE 100 be available as a BOB flyable?
Computer says No

http://www.20six.co.uk/pub/notsopinkanymore/computer_saysjpg.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Little Britain is one of the most insane & hilarious comedies I have ever seen.

nakamura_kenji
11-15-2005, 06:11 AM
can no just reskin ki-61 for il2/AEP/PF?

-HH- Beebop
11-15-2005, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
can no just reskin ki-61 for il2/AEP/PF?

Yes.

WIP
Anti-Glare panel will be removed.
Shown with ingame markings which will be replaced.
Currently in basic black. Color to be replaced with appropriate RLM color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/HH_Beebop/He-100WIP_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/HH_Beebop/He-100WIP_2.jpg

alert_1
11-15-2005, 06:57 AM
Ki61 and He100 are totaly different planes, they just look similar but that's all. FM of He100 should be very far from that of Ki61 (huge diferences in wing profile, powerloading, wingarea and performance: Ki61 max. speed 592km/h, He100 670km /h.)

nakamura_kenji
11-15-2005, 07:24 AM
yep know it only suggestion

he-100 that japan buy go ijn no ija similarity visual fluke more anything else than

-HH- Beebop
11-15-2005, 07:46 AM
Not a fluke. If I remember correctly Germany shared the plans of the He-100 with Japan and they used them as a basis for the Ki-61. That explains the visual similarity. Performance would have differed with a different powerplant.

for FB/AEP/PF the biggest oddity would be a Japanes cockpit it a "German" plane. But then we make allowances all over the place just to play the best WWII flight sim available, don't we?

FlatSpinMan
11-15-2005, 07:47 AM
There is a lovely skin floating around for the Ki 100. I have no idea about the performance, Ijust think it's real purty.Jesters-Ink template with Billfish's co-operation, acc to the skin label. I can email it to anyone if they are interested. Very high quality, looks like those in the above photo.

nakamura_kenji
11-15-2005, 07:49 AM
as say they share with IJN not IJA believe. army and navy were much reluctant share information and ki-61 army plane no navy the IJA got bf-109 make info exchange unlike. possible route communication direct between kawasaki and german. kawasaki previous had german designer(voss think) who return germany prewar

one thing both share think be version of db601 engine though ki-61 use ha-40 which lightened redesign of db601. ki-60 use direct copy db601 believe but they much hate it. ki-61 esential evolution ki-60 but around ha-40 but with more design time they took on it make very much different plane. i have page article explain evolution ki-60 to ki-61 post later want?

csThor
11-15-2005, 08:32 AM
I would rather have the key planes of all three nations (GB, Germany and Italy) than another "what-if" plane. IMHO Il-2 shows what happens when too much priority is given to less-than-representative and even what-if planes - too many planes and too little offline immersion.

Capt.England
11-15-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
picture is from 2002


That was a model that was made for IL2/PF, and not near the quality needed for BoB. I think I still have that model on my hard drive somwere. I helped quite a bit on it. I doubt it will ever see the light of day in IL2 or BoB though as there are not enough cockpit referances to satisfy Oleg. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have a old Flight International article about this plane somewhere which has a load of information and possibly a cockpit photo! I will try and hunt it out later and post some of it (if I can get my old scanner to work)

darkhorizon11
11-15-2005, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by csThor:
I would rather have the key planes of all three nations (GB, Germany and Italy) than another "what-if" plane. IMHO Il-2 shows what happens when too much priority is given to less-than-representative and even what-if planes - too many planes and too little offline immersion.

I agree the Lanc, Mosquito, Ar 234, Meteor, B-26, Typhoon, etc. all should be put ahead of the He100

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-15-2005, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by csThor:
I would rather have the key planes of all three nations (GB, Germany and Italy) than another "what-if" plane. IMHO Il-2 shows what happens when too much priority is given to less-than-representative and even what-if planes - too many planes and too little offline immersion.

I agree - wouldn't mind some air-sea rescue seaplanes though. Dorniers and a Walrus.

Unknown-Pilot
11-15-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I doubt it will ever see the light of day in IL2 or BoB though as there are not enough cockpit referances to satisfy Oleg.

I don't see what difference it would make. It's not like he got the Hellcat's cockpit right. (For that matter, nor it's anding loads absorption, nor the R2800 toughness, nor the take off capabilities, nor even really, the handling and speed. But all that aside, the cockpits aren't even close, to readily available pictures. And he also was informed of guage bugs on the German jets that he has chosen to ignore. I don't see accuracy being all that high a priority when it comes to cockpits. Or maybe it's just for certain planes... )

p1ngu666
11-15-2005, 05:35 PM
did the he100 not have a radiator? but used surface cooling like prewar racing aircraft?

Ob.Emann
11-15-2005, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
did the he100 not have a radiator? but used surface cooling like prewar racing aircraft?

The prototype version (which also set the world speed record in 1939), the He-100B, used an evaporative cooling system. The final production version, the He-100D-1, abandoned this concept, as it would too fragile and complex under combat conditions, in favor of a conventional radiator.

csThor
11-15-2005, 11:18 PM
I agree the Lanc, Mosquito, Ar 234, Meteor, B-26, Typhoon, etc. all should be put ahead of the He100

None - absolutely none of the planes you mentioned are anywhere near being key planes of the "Battle of Britain". In fact they shouldn't be even thought of before the appropriate timeframe for them is being reached by development.

Xiolablu3
11-15-2005, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
as say they share with IJN not IJA believe. army and navy were much reluctant share information and ki-61 army plane no navy the IJA got bf-109 make info exchange unlike. possible route communication direct between kawasaki and german. kawasaki previous had german designer(voss think) who return germany prewar

one thing both share think be version of db601 engine though ki-61 use ha-40 which lightened redesign of db601. ki-60 use direct copy db601 believe but they much hate it. ki-61 esential evolution ki-60 but around ha-40 but with more design time they took on it make very much different plane. i have page article explain evolution ki-60 to ki-61 post later want?

If it is in English then post, yes please naka http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry, I dont read japanese.

Kocur_
11-16-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by HH_Emann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
did the he100 not have a radiator? but used surface cooling like prewar racing aircraft?

The prototype version (which also set the world speed record in 1939), the He-100B, used an evaporative cooling system. The final production version, the He-100D-1, abandoned this concept, as it would too fragile and complex under combat conditions, in favor of a conventional radiator. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, nothing was abondoned in D-1 - vapour/surface cooling system was the core of He-100 design and remained so in all prototypes and versions.
D-0s and D-1s had ADDITIONAL, traditional radiator, which was used in all high power/low speed situations and also as back-up in case of a damage to any part of cooling system. The radiator was small and retractable - wasnt used when surface cooling worked fine in high speed flight. This ultimate drag reduction system enabled He-100 to be such a fast plane: fully equipped D-1 was capable of reaching 670kmh at alt with merely 1175ps. Bf-109F2 with the same DB601N: ~620kmh. But radiator designed in a way to use Meredith effect was a much better idea...

The plane which set the speed record was He-100V8.