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TheGozr
11-17-2004, 01:10 PM
This is a test of The Korean War.

PROWAR Pacific server.
Places are limited.
Please connect and test it.

64.81.49.185:21000
or @ ASE

I had to get a simple, balanced map to make this test, but the project will come very soon with a look-alike map for Korea with many targets.

This test is to get feedback. I tried my best to get the equivalent planes. Check around the map and read the briefing before choosing camp.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.
check it here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/il2/viewtopic.php?t=71)
TY

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 01:10 PM
This is a test of The Korean War.

PROWAR Pacific server.
Places are limited.
Please connect and test it.

64.81.49.185:21000
or @ ASE

I had to get a simple, balanced map to make this test, but the project will come very soon with a look-alike map for Korea with many targets.

This test is to get feedback. I tried my best to get the equivalent planes. Check around the map and read the briefing before choosing camp.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.
check it here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/il2/viewtopic.php?t=71)
TY

Waldo.Pepper
11-17-2004, 01:36 PM
Beautiful work Gozr, excellent research. Well done.

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 01:44 PM
THX http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Last night some of us were in the server and it was a blast.
We could some how feel some simularities with the WAR in Korea.

xTHRUDx
11-17-2004, 03:30 PM
as per our conversation, i noticed the p-47 wasn't on the list of used planes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>With the outbreak of war in Korea in 1950, the P-51D (now designated the F-51D), was rushed into the fray and did solid work as a fighter-bomber. However, hundreds of P-47s were in service stateside and were never called into service against the North Koreans or later, the communist Chinese. Certainly, there was no doubt that the P-47 was better suited for air to ground close support. It could carry a far greater load of ordnance and was considerably more resistant to ground fire and flak. So, why was the P-47 (F-47) not used? The Thunderbolt‚‚ā¨ôs Navy alter-ego, the F4U Corsair, was used to great effect, and like the P-47, was far more rugged than the Mustang with its fragile Prestone cooling system. To this day, no one has adequately addressed this question. When the chips were down and the U.N. forces were pinned in the Pusan perimeter, where were the Thunderbolts?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i got that quote here;
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 04:14 PM
Thanks Thrud i did remove it .

Bogun
11-17-2004, 06:36 PM
Respect Gozr!

Great project.
One error I found ‚‚ā¨" Yak-9T couldn‚‚ā¨ôt be present in Korea.
Their wooden frames were designed to last about two years if kept hangared.
As far as I know only Yak-9P were present from Yakovlev family of fighters.

TheGozr
11-17-2004, 08:05 PM
Actually not the Yak U's yak 3's and T had their moments in the Korean war as well the la'7s.

In my researches..
But tell me more about it plz

johann63
11-17-2004, 08:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
as per our conversation, i noticed the p-47 wasn't on the list of used planes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>With the outbreak of war in Korea in 1950, the P-51D (now designated the F-51D), was rushed into the fray and did solid work as a fighter-bomber. However, hundreds of P-47s were in service stateside and were never called into service against the North Koreans or later, the communist Chinese. Certainly, there was no doubt that the P-47 was better suited for air to ground close support. It could carry a far greater load of ordnance and was considerably more resistant to ground fire and flak. So, why was the P-47 (F-47) not used? The Thunderbolt‚‚ā¨ôs Navy alter-ego, the F4U Corsair, was used to great effect, and like the P-47, was far more rugged than the Mustang with its fragile Prestone cooling system. To this day, no one has adequately addressed this question. When the chips were down and the U.N. forces were pinned in the Pusan perimeter, where were the Thunderbolts?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i got that quote here;
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sounds like an interesting server. I was playing around with a few myself. As for why the F-51 was used instead of the P-47, dont forget two major factors that probably contributed to the P-47 not being used in korea. The P-47 was much more costly to produce that the F-51 and the cost in fuel for a P-47 was also allot more expensive if you consider it gobbled more fuel than the F-51 and even with external tanks did not have the range and flying time. So I think in general it was all about money, which always seems to be a big facter. I read about many pilots in Korea that flew F-51 and one was quoted as saying if he had the money he would have bought his own P-47 to fly in Korea.

JG53Frankyboy
11-17-2004, 09:02 PM
i also wondered always why the USAF didnt used the P-47N over Korea.
that beast , wouldnt need its full fuel storage, would have been the absolute horror to enemy groundforces. and even gave the enemy piston planes a very bad day .

heywooood
11-17-2004, 09:07 PM
...call me when planeater and jippo have completed the SPAD...I'll be there in a heartbeat.

http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/skyraiderwalkaroundreviewab_1.JPG

VW-IceFire
11-17-2004, 09:55 PM
I've read that F-47N's were reactivated in a couple of reserve squadrons but that they were kept Stateside as a just in-case measure against Soviet agression against the continent.

I guess there were fears that the Korean conflict would spill to a global war...lots of trigger possibilities were present during this time.

SkyChimp
11-17-2004, 09:58 PM
If Oleg were to ever do a Korean War sim, then you'd need all day just to expend all the ordnance a Skyraider could carry. IMO, the finest prop attack plane ever produced.

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 02:19 AM
WAAOOO ! We had a blast last night .
It's open..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gombal40
11-18-2004, 05:52 AM
nicely done. except... a carrier for both teams?

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-18-2004, 06:01 AM
I had fun. The map was stable and the planesets were interesting. I definitely look forward to future refinements.

Hey Gozr, did yo get those pedals all set up?

Also, did you get that track of me taking down that YP-80 with my corsair?

TB

Bogun
11-18-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
Actually not the Yak U's yak 3's and T had their moments in the Korean war as well the la'7s.

In my researches..
But tell me more about it plz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They all were probably cases of mistaken identity, just like Yak-7, La-5, Pe-2, IL-2 and Spitfires in Korea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I only definitely know about Yak-9P, La-9, La-11 and IL-10 out of prop combat planes (and of course Po-2http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

Interesting page here:
http://www.korean-war.com/DPRK.html

JG53Frankyboy
11-18-2004, 11:08 AM
well , my Korea planeset out of the PF planes would be:

US:
F4U-1C
P-51D-20NA
A-20G (as B-26 Invader)
YP-80

Korean:
Yak9U/UT
La7 3xBR-20
IL2M
He162 (as , well, MiG15 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )


and i made a Kuril island map for august 1945 (used Chichi Jima):
P-63 , Yak9U/UT , Yak3/3p , IL2 , La7 , A-20 , B-25 are attacking japanese defence fortifications

Ki84a/b , Ki61Hei , Ki100 (soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) , A6M5c are defending. hopefully it will be fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 12:29 PM
I decided to make the YP 80 available on both side to equalize the sides since the Mig15 was great at start but then the U.S came later with a good answer.
The P63 wasn't flying in Korea but stock somewhere in hangars. I wish to have more infos about this.
A-20G was in the Korea side.
-A-20G (USSR reconnaissance torpedo bomber)
-P-63A (USSR; numbers stored at airfields in the Far Eastern Military District and attacked by accident early in the war)

I made this Special place in the PROWAR site for the historians, researchers and amateurs to discuss or to debat their own researches. Feel free to add yours.
Historia room click here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/il2/viewforum.php?f=7)

Bogun
11-18-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
...The P63 wasn't flying in Korea but stock somewhere in hangars. I wish to have more infos about this.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you want to know?

(All from memory)
On 8 October 1950, two USAF F-80s mistakenly attacked an "deep storage" airfield Sukhaya Rechka in Siberia, near Vladivostok, USSR. Initially there was a flight of four F-80, but two (including the flight leader) were forced to return to base due to malfunctions and only two rookie pilots continue the mission. After the mission they excitedly declared that they struck North Korean airfield stuffed with parked aircraft. Gun camera movie showed that parked aircraft were P-63 Kingcobras. There were no fires or secondary explosions on the film - indicating that fuel, oil and ammo was removed from the aircraft. Russians protested, United States quickly apologized and both pilots were court-martialed. (They, however, were quickly acquitted, as the attack resulted from navigational error rather than criminal culpability.)

A-20 were not in Korea. At list not on North Korean side.
Russians, Chinese and North Koreans were flying Tu-2s.

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 02:57 PM
Running on 3.01m patch now and with new codes for Ships and AAA's

TheGozr
11-18-2004, 07:43 PM
On again tonight

Saburo_0
11-18-2004, 11:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I've read that F-47N's were reactivated in a couple of reserve squadrons but that they were kept Stateside as a just in-case measure against Soviet agression against the continent.

I guess there were fears that the Korean conflict would spill to a global war...lots of trigger possibilities were present during this time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very interesting it's easy to forget those worries looking back.