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stalkervision
02-14-2008, 07:31 AM
For people that like realistic tank sims. The graphics are a bit dated but the game is quite excellent still! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2658/stst000xt1.jpg

Panzer IV short 75 mm


This is the game version Panzer Elite SE BTW!!

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/634/5590634.jpg

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:06 AM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5513/stst000zu6.jpg

This is in the North African mission.

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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/willphelps/PhotoF0000190.jpg

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:10 AM
The gunner's position. The inside details are exact replications of the inside actual tank positions. The gunners scopes are exact too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7089/stst003ld3.jpg

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:13 AM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6948/stst004up3.jpg

another view from the gunner position. If your gunner is hit you will have to take over this position as well as command the tank. Gunnery is a real art in a ww2 tank! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:19 AM
Commander's position "button up"

Most german panzer had quite excellent commanders "cupolas" fitted which gave all around excellent view when the tank was totally closed up. When Russian T-34's were captured they were often reequiped with german cupolas!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5060/stst005uh7.jpg

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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/willphelps/PhotoF0000181.jpg


Those little windows are called "vision blocks" which are small reflecting periscopes made from "panzer glass" The driver and commander have them. That way if they are hit the commander or gunner doesn;t lose an eye. Also they are replaceable and tanks carried spare sets. American sherman's had them too I believe as did most WW2 tanks.

Many later tanks used small periscopes for the driver and commander later on. The later Panther's use them.

captured T-34 with german cupola added.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/t3476.jpg

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/ctpic2.htm

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:22 AM
commanders outside view. It was always prefered to go into almost all battle "unbuttoned" That was and is because a comander even in the most modern tanks get much more perspective on the battle looking from outside the tank!

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8487/stst006sz4.jpg

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:26 AM
Drivers position. Panel driver with controls is to the right. Driving a tank is quite a expericance. Especially when you have a MSFF stick! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3289/stst001by1.jpg


Notice the gear selector symbol under the view port. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/willphelps/PhotoF0000184.jpg

Actual gear panel. You can just get a glimpse of it in the screenshot.

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:31 AM
Gunner/radio operator position. The radio is to the left. German tank machine guns and fortification machine guns used a real neat remote optical viewer to avoid enemy gunfire. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4349/stst002gy6.jpg


good link.. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz3.htm#panzer4

BTOG46
02-14-2008, 08:35 AM
I used to play Tank sims years ago on the Amiga, one of my favourites was Campaign, and Campaign 2:
http://amr.abime.net/review_38187

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:56 AM
Sounds pretty good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Panzer Elite missions play just like Il-2 believe it or not,only with tanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif Nice to take a break once and a while from flying I have found out.

Panzer Elite graphics are a bit dated but the funny thing is one really doesn't mind because the game feels so darn real when you use it. Also no where else that I know of do you get the actual interiors of the real tanks to use.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

roybaty
02-14-2008, 09:01 AM
I played WWII online a while back and thought they had very well modeled tanks. Bad part is it's pay for play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by roybaty:
I played WWII online a while back and thought they had very well modeled tanks. Bad part is it's pay for play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

sounds good except for the pay part.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 09:12 AM
I have been enjoying this game so much lately that I checked on gogamer to see if it was still offered. Found out a "Panzer Elite special editions" is being offered for twenty bucks so I ordered it. Many new missions,a mission editor and new tanks to use including the T-34! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

They have a way newer version with way better graphics but it plays like a stinky arcade game. I tried the demo and deleated it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Rattler68
02-14-2008, 08:22 PM
I loved PE Spec Ed. when I had it. I chucked it because I couldn't get it to run properly on my new comp.

Shame: I guess it still works well?

It has the best ballistics modelling I have seen in a WW 2 tank sim; I don't know if Steel Beasts is better or not, but it's modern armour anyway.

Very good terrain modelling too; hull down positions, turret down positions....

It was a great game! Love them Tigers......

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Rattler68:
I loved PE Spec Ed. when I had it. I chucked it because I couldn't get it to run properly on my new comp.

Shame: I guess it still works well?

It has the best ballistics modelling I have seen in a WW 2 tank sim; I don't know if Steel Beasts is better or not, but it's modern armour anyway.

Very good terrain modelling too; hull down positions, turret down positions....

It was a great game! Love them Tigers......


Really nice to hear that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I feel the same way. Do you run windows Xp or Vista? I bet that is your trouble. Many old games hate Vista and won't work.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I had an upgrade to vista from Xp and after many of my old games didn't work and my old pro MSFF stick had trouble I reverted the computer back to XP and that solved the problem. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 08:47 PM
a video of the inside of a tiger tank. The positions are compairable to the the Mark IV in may ways especially the machine gunner/radio man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFzlZbfpQUo&feature=related

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 09:23 PM
Youtube Panzer Elite action! Nice.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5lbhLf1ZCM&feature=related

The newer version is even better then the old.. Real cool! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-14-2008, 09:43 PM
and look at THIS!! MODS to totally improve the graphics and game!! Way.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/

leitmotiv
02-15-2008, 03:01 AM
You might have a great deal of fun with the mods. I was deeply into this item and the mods a few years ago. The snag---PE never ran OK with my computer---my graphics card was toxic to the software. The modders are, unfortunately, like most modders, completely solipsistic---took them about two years and after much teeth gnashing on the forum by the puzzled users for them to announce the existence of this "little" problem. Truth to tell, T-34 VS TIGER and the 1942 T-34 sim due to be released this year blow away PE, and, hopefully, will be far easier to install and use. What did if for me was a scenario in which two Tiger Is hit my flank in Tunisia. I had a line of about six pathetic M4s. The Kitties rumbled right over a low rise and were about 100 yards away right on my perishing flank. IRL this situation would have ended in about two minutes with six crackling M4s. I hurridly tried to shift my M4s to shoot the Pussers---they obliged and, for the most part, sat still! I was "gifted" with the time to completely redeploy my M4s behind cover! From there we blew up both of the Tigs with our pathetic short 75s firing at the front plates of the Cats. I posted a stunned commentary on this on the mods forum. Head modder's reply: user subjectivity! Frisbeed right into the trash bin. Computer cretins!!!!!!

stalkervision
02-15-2008, 06:21 AM
So you were totally involved in PE. Cool! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Ya PE has it's shortcomings for sure but it has a whole lot to offer too. Especially for an old game! Lots of things they did right on it.

I am for sure going to check out these new games you mention. I love tank sims and just hope the developers get all the nice details right especially the interior graphics and proper gunnery systems.


Wish oleg would develop a tank sim some day. Now that would be a hoot! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Pss.. you guys throw away old games much to quick. That situation is almost exactly what I had with BOBWOV. I was going to do the very same thing! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I kept the game and am now very glad I did. It has been improved by leaps and bounds! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Looking foeward to trying those new tank games though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-15-2008, 08:36 AM
When PE modded worked, it was good, but compared to STEEL FURY and T-34 VS TIGER, it was from need. Honestly, the modders were a bunch of self-admiring schnooks, and reading endless self-congratulatory posts from them to each other wore thin quick! Try the demos:

SF:

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10078/Steel+Fury+Demo

T V T:

Hm, can't find it---perhaps because the complete game is about to be released

stalkervision
02-15-2008, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
When PE modded worked, it was good, but compared to STEEL FURY and T-34 VS TIGER, it was from need. Honestly, the modders were a bunch of self-admiring schnooks, and reading endless self-congratulatory posts from them to each other wore thin quick! Try the demos:

SF:

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10078/Steel+Fury+Demo

T V T:

Hm, can't find it---perhaps because the complete game is about to be released

People are like that.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

thanks for the link buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-15-2008, 09:53 AM
Go for it!

huggy87
02-15-2008, 10:04 AM
2001 just called. They said they want their graphics back.

han freak solo
02-15-2008, 10:15 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I'm not answering the phone, let it go to voice mail!

stalkervision
02-15-2008, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by huggy87:
2001 just called. They said they want their graphics back.

apparently you never played the game. I bet you would prefer a nice arcade shooter x-box set-up.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You also apparently didn't see I mention the dated graphics more then a few times. This is for your kind to avoid this post and go directly to the "Barbie Dream Machine" site which has much better graphics.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-16-2008, 06:49 AM
managed to load some wonderful new missions into the game last night that lovers of the game developed. One was a attack on a village in Russia in the snow. Our Platoon was making good progress till we met a Russian road block loaded with Russian soldiers and At guns. What a battle! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Don't have any picture of it because it was so brutal.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4150/stst000oc2.jpg

stalkervision
02-16-2008, 07:03 AM
I will tell you fighting in Russia in the snow is brutal just as it was in real life!

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4047/stst001rp2.jpg

Irish_Rogues
02-16-2008, 07:48 AM
These pictures look pretty good to me stalkervision, not bleeding edge but pretty good. I might check the game out, especially since T vs T isn't going to be released until April at the earliest.

Also, the early reviews at Sim HQ and Lighthouse of the Russian version aren't super positive. It sounds like it's going to need several patches to get the game up to snuff.

Anybody have any news on the Steel Fury release date?

stalkervision
02-16-2008, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Irish_Rogues:
These pictures look pretty good to me stalkervision, not bleeding edge but pretty good. I might check the game out, especially since T vs T isn't going to be released until April at the earliest.

Also, the early reviews at Sim HQ and Lighthouse of the Russian version aren't super positive. It sounds like it's going to need several patches to get the game up to snuff.

Anybody have any news on the Steel Fury release date?

Not to bad huh..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif This is the "ostapack" mod with the Russian winter campaign modeled. It is a totally excellent mod. Lots of new missions! Lots and lots of real nice free improvements to the game have been made besides this too!

There is also a new graphics engine mod that apparenty makes the graphics even better. I have this mod running well so I am not going to tinker with that just yet.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This is the best site to find these really nice mods.

http://p098.ezboard.com/Ostpak-2008--Mod-expansion-file...ge?topicID=291.topic (http://p098.ezboard.com/Ostpak-2008--Mod-expansion-files-for-Panzer-Elite/fpanzerelitefrm5.showMessage?topicID=291.topic)


Just make sure you follow the instructions in doing it. Buy the game. Patch it to version 1.2 (other higher versions don't work with ostapak!) and then download the basic ostpak mod. From there you won't believe what you can put on the game.

stalkervision
02-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Oh and try not to battle Russian Kv-1's in a Panzer IV short barrel right off the bat. The short barrel as in real life is as good as throwing tennis balls at them! They ran me ragged last night! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 05:22 AM
"Battle in the Snow."

A mixed platoon of Panzer 3 panzer 4 early short nose 75 and Mark 2 tanks gets ready to assuat a village in Russia.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9622/stst004ef3.jpg

most of the time Panzer crew had to run their tank engines all night to keep them freezing up solid in the cold winters of Russia.

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 05:31 AM
"stug assault gun"

cheaper to produce and easier to train crew for because it didn't have a turret, Stugs were a very valuable asset in Russia. Built low to the ground because they had no turret they were harder to spot then ordinary tanks. Originally produced as a infrantry assult weapon for street clearing Stugs were soon equiped with a long 75 after running ito the first T-34's. There were mant Sug assult gun aces in Russia.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3600/stst011pq5.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 05:38 AM
View from the commanders position in the stug.

In the forground is a tiger that got ambushed by a hidden t-34. Street fighting in tanks was and still is never advisable!

My Stug got hit in the track and I was waiting for the repair trucks. While I waited I had the pleasure of driving off Russian infantry attacks. Not such an easy thing to do when your tracks are damaged and you don't have a revolving turret! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5926/stst013am9.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 02:54 PM
My new german tank. A T-34! Well when the high command ca[t deliver the goods you go out and steal an enemy tank! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Many captured t-34's were actually used by the germans after the begining of the attack on Russia. This was because the gemans had little to toucg the Kv-1 or T-34's! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif It was a lucky german tanker indeed who could aquire one. They had to be adorned with loads of german emblams so the luftwaffe and other german tank crew didn't attavk them as you see.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1528/stst017bj0.jpg

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/t3476.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 02:58 PM
My german short nosed 75mm Panzer IV platoon. I used them as addational fire power as I went after the Kv-1's and other T-34's.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/111/stst020hj9.jpg

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 03:01 PM
I used to have this game. I recall it was quite good. don`t remember fighting on the Russian front though. I remembered chugging along with shermans and Churchills through bocage and getting wasted by panthers..

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 03:02 PM
sneaking up on a kv-1! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I pumped quite a few shells at this beast befofe he decided to die. He was turning is turret around to see who was anoying him the whole time I did it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8812/stst026ll1.jpg

what a monster! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/russia/images/kv1aij_6.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Kv1e.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 03:12 PM
With the new Mods (enabling the Russian campaigns) I got interested and I`ve found a great deal if anyone else is interested (in the UK). Try ebay, they`ve got the special edition for 2.00 ! with 2.95 postage!

5.95 all in!

Ordered.

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 03:14 PM
One of my kv-1 kills. These things are real beasts! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It took the new tigers to finally stop a kv-2. Before that the german's resorted to all kinds of assorted ways to lill them. The 88 dueal perpose anti/aircraft gun being the best one. This is why the tiger is equped with one.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7931/stst028vt3.jpg

In this battle it was my artillary that disabled the Kv-1's. Many were hit in their running gear which made it a whole lot easier to destroy them I can tell you.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Destroyed_KV1_in_Aunus.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
With the new Mods (enabling the Russian campaigns) I got interested and I`ve found a great deal if anyone else is interested (in the UK). Try ebay, they`ve got the special edition for 2.00 ! with 2.95 postage!

5.95 all in!

Ordered.


LOL.. Ya, the mods are what brought me back to the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif God you won't believe what they done! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Read the PE forum and install them exactly as it says to the mod folder the main ostpack mod always the first! Read the read me files for sure. I have been playing the full campaigns and instant missions. There is a funny bug in the original PE that locks up the single senerios on ostpack. They explain how to get around it in the read me's. I am pretty bad with computer stuff like that so i have just avoided the single senerios is all. The game is so good now it is well worth it inspite of that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

also..

There is also another PE PEX main mod with a new graphic engine seperate from ostapack. Don't load them together! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I prefer the graphics in this one though but I have played the other and it's pretty neat too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

The new range finder and the watching the cannon shells fly is really wonderful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 04:49 PM
This site is where you will find all the new mods..

http://pedg.yuku.com/forums/3/t/Multi-Player.html

Hell there are mods I haven't even tried yet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-20-2008, 05:13 PM
Right but beware---the game will not work with some video cards! Ask on the forum about this before spending money and wasting time (as I did).

SeaFireLIV
02-20-2008, 05:25 PM
Did I say 5.95? 4.95 I mean!

Even better! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Right but beware---the game will not work with some video cards! Ask on the forum about this before spending money and wasting time (as I did).

It use to work om my ati card 9000 and it works on my new nivida 8800 gt. What video card did you have leitmov?

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Did I say 5.95? 4.95 I mean!

Even better! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Boy you got a deal! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I'm jealous! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 06:50 PM
original tiger 1 manual on adobe.

Boy german's tankers are a ***** bunch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Look at all the cartoon pin-up girls in this manual! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/TIGER-1%20FILES/tigerfibel.pdf

I liked it too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif That's because I'm part German I guess.

The ***** part... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BillyTheKid_22
02-20-2008, 07:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 08:53 PM
Secret mod.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Don't tell anyone! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3130/stst034gb8.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 08:56 PM
gunsight! Not ostapack. Watching the shells fly is cool indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4143/stst033wu3.jpg

stalkervision
02-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Ahh the panther... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1764/stst040dr6.jpg

stalkervision
02-21-2008, 07:31 AM
echlon left formation of panthers and a Panzer IV in Britinna.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/745/stst041jm1.jpg


Played the mortain mission today. My platoon got caught up ina crossroads fight with a british machine gun team. we eliminated them but most of our tanks suffered light track damage and we had to wait for the repair trucks to arrive to fix the tracks.

sent the one remaining tank,a Panzer IV to see what it could do further up the road but a Britsh Piat team got it. Not before it took out a couple of american tank destroyers manned by British crews. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/tank-destroyers/m10/m10-09.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/PIAT.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAT

The piat antitank team was hiding in a building in the village. Tanks really have a tough time in city and village fighting. The best thing to do is blast every house you see if you have enough HE ammo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-21-2008, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Right but beware---the game will not work with some video cards! Ask on the forum about this before spending money and wasting time (as I did).

It use to work om my ati card 9000 and it works on my new nivida 8800 gt. What video card did you have leitmov? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He`s just creating worry where there`s none. I have an 8800GTS and in my experience, most Nvidia cards have little trouble working. I still run many old games like Combat Mission 1,2 and 3 and no probs there.

leitmotiv
02-21-2008, 09:59 AM
Stalkermeister: God's truth---I worked with PE from 2004-2006, and it was a buggy mess on my computer. In 2006 some clever souls, who shared my problem, figured out it was our Asus Radeon 9800XT cards. In Dec 2005 I upgraded to the ATI X1800XT and then the play became totally psychotic.

("SeaFire," more like SeaPoodle, is in love with me and I rejected him so don't pay attention to his moronic baiting.)

SeaFireLIV
02-21-2008, 10:05 AM
Leitmotiv`s quote:

"Stalkermeister: God's truth---I worked with PE from 2004-2006, and it was a buggy mess on my computer. In 2006 some clever souls, who shared my problem, figured out it was our Asus Radeon 9800XT cards. In Dec 2005 I upgraded to the ATI X1800XT and then the play became totally psychotic.

("SeaFire," more like SeaPoodle, is in love with me and I rejected him so don't pay attention to his moronic baiting.)"

end quote.



Well, you`ve shown your true colours at last. Shame on you. Hope you sort out that personality problem.

leitmotiv
02-21-2008, 12:10 PM
You are a very silly person with an typical dreary internet obsession. Go outdoors and get a life.

stalkervision
02-21-2008, 12:25 PM
Like seinfield said when george opened up to him with all his personal problems to "scare him straight" about his new found personal feelings..

"Good luck with all that.." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have been having way too much fun with the new PE
mods to care. PEX is a real hoot! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif Are there some bugs in PE? Yes, there always were. The game is just to darn fun to let that ever stop me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I just take the good with the bad. The last few screens are from the PEX mod! Great mod!! I want MORE!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Wish it were for the ostapack mod too. I have seen a mention of this but haven't found a good link yet.

stalkervision
02-21-2008, 12:33 PM
I have to try to start recording some battle footage screens. The only trouble is when your in a intense battle just surviving is all you think about! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Love watching my shells fly toward the enemy in this new mod. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif You can also watch the enemies shells fly back at you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I want a mod to send a repair truck to fix my tank tracks. I keep getting enemy soldiers logged in the running gear while I go about crushing them and then they won't work! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 05:56 AM
a scene of destruction from the Micheel Whitman battle mission at Viller Bocage..

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1945/stst043lv6.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 06:00 AM
Avaranches..

My platoon of most excellent camoflaged panthers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6682/stst047kg3.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 06:03 AM
Light action at avranches. A couple of shermans and a british tracked light armored people movers go up in flames under the panthers fire.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/613/stst049zt9.jpg

Irish_Rogues
02-22-2008, 07:27 AM
Keep'em comin my copy is on the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 09:26 AM
The Pex mod is great.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

winter war in a Stug. I really like the stug now. A long 75mm and a low profile built low to the ground. An excellent concept the assault gun I tell you. There is hardly anything to shot at! I can see why they were so popular with their crews. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3695/stst052ff1.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 09:32 AM
commanders position from a stug looking at a soviet village for hidden at guns. When getting closer to town you have to "button up" ot r you will be shot by the enemy!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1151/stst058yc0.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 09:38 AM
a couple of my stug wingmen. Yes, tankers have wingmen just as fighter pilot do! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif They are much more important IMO. A good wingman will spot enemy you haven't seen yet,kill them and protect your butt!

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5386/stst061oa6.jpg

joeap
02-22-2008, 10:39 AM
Great stuff Stalkervision. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Tell me, how is the AI in this sim? The campaign? Can you play online? I know it's old but there are fewer good tank sims than flight sims around lately.

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
Great stuff Stalkervision. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Tell me, how is the AI in this sim? The campaign? Can you play online? I know it's old but there are fewer good tank sims than flight sims around lately.

The Ai is pretty good. It will help you out more times then not and very often surprise you by coming to your aid when your getting tag teamed by the enemy Ai. The campaigns are pretty good. Very tough to beat! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Playing full realism here will really get your attention!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Some are real real good. Nice lot of features with the game like upgrading your tanks and armor and wingmen skills. You can swap out to a better tank if they become available or a worse one if there aren't any better.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

apparently there is an on-line community of hard core tankers with this game that meet and duke it out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I can tell you one thing this would be the perfect on-line game if I were into things like that. Having actual on-line human wingmen in this game that you can talk to and fight battles with is a real temptation. Wingman in this game really have to stick togather! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No lone wolves here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

actually a on-line il-2 community of Il-2/PE tankers would be a real neat thing IMO.

There is even a nice mission editor to design your own battles btw.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 11:34 AM
A real challaging thing is when a crewman gets killed or wounded in your tank and you have to jump into his place to operate the tank. Sometimes the driver gets killed or wounded and you have to do all the driving plus commanding the tank. Or the gunner gets it and you have to take over his duties. Sometimes you get a real sucky replacement gunner who can't hit a broad side of a barn and you have to jump into his spot and do his job!

This is why first of all you should practice your gunnery skills. They have I believe three different levels of realism in gunnery and the last one takes some skill to learn I can tell you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

got a feeling Il-2 is going to have some on-line tank simmers soon taking out their inner aggresions with cannon instead of their posts,

God, what have I done! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

actually this might be a good thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 11:59 AM
mission screen..

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6560/snapshot0000yr5.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 12:01 PM
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1458/snapshot0001fb6.jpg

oh and your commander insults you if you f-up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

and in german too if your german want to hear german insults. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 12:12 PM
see the little color graphic in the picture. It is a "tank mouse" It gives you all important controls to assign your wingman positions and select your own.

Just clik with the mouse on the symbols you need. It is really wonderful.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/402/stst057eg8.jpg

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 12:16 PM
gunners scope. T-34 bits the dust. Really cool watching the turrets fly off of tanks when you hit them just right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif Not so good when it happens to you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif Modeled on the actual german one. The other PEX mod scope is an exact replica! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8800/stst029rl4.jpg

The coolest thing about the new mods are the EXACT sounds the tanks now make like a real one! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I can't even describe how exact they are.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

woofiedog
02-22-2008, 12:59 PM
Excellent screen shots and really like those winter scenes... for an older game it looks pretty good.

joeap
02-22-2008, 03:04 PM
Darn you're a good salesman buddy! Anywhere you can order it?

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Excellent screen shots and really like those winter scenes... for an older game it looks pretty good.

Not too bad huh? The winter scenes are good huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Lots of fun to play. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Darn you're a good salesman buddy! Anywhere you can order it?

I got the newest version from GOGAMER "Panzer Elite Se" I had the older version put out by Hypgonisis. Wasn't easily patchable to the new mods so I ordered the newer SE version by Jowood. I started playing it again just because I needed a break from flight sims for a while and found it is just the ticket to relieve the "flight simmer doldrums" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.gogamer.com/Panzer-Elite--Special-Edition-Fr...444710VVviewprod.htm (http://www.gogamer.com/Panzer-Elite--Special-Edition-Front-Page_stcVVproductId5590634VVcatId444710VVviewprod. htm)

I always order my games here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Find it cheaper then order it there.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The game isn't a shoot um up. IMO it simulates tank combat pretty darn well. The basics to play it aren't hard except learning actual rank gunnery which you can set for easy at first. Your gunner really should takes care of that anyway. Except when he sucks totally! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif If you get a good crew and gunner, protect them with your life! Their replacements won't be so good. What is sometimes hard is learning how to put these basics togather to win. Your job is to manauver your tank and tank platoon and call out targets to your gunner abd the other tanks gunners. The gunners don't always pick the most important ones. Don't pick the right ones first and you may get toasted or spending time in the hospital for a while. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
02-22-2008, 07:05 PM
Tried the Stalin JS-1's for a change and my platoon got absolutely hammered by some tigers.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Absolutely great interior in these soviet tank though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5408/stst072yk5.jpg

Tab_Flettner
02-22-2008, 10:37 PM
Wow - this is a really unexpected thread! I am a huge PE fan, and as of right now, its still the best WWII tank sim out there - although that may change. Its dated, but it can look great with careful modding:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/mr_coffee/gameProject2005-02-0721-06-34-84.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/mr_coffee/gameProject2005-02-0618-26-27-53.jpg

More info here: http://pedg.yuku.com/

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:56 AM
Really cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Another member of the "Magic conch shell club!" LOOU...LOOOU..LOOOU! Hail the Magic Conch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am a Spongbob Square Pants Fan also.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://groups.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&PhotoID=nIAAAAK0KoZg6JcZp0QfpIdVD2zxeJYXQj26264!0Z Uo13QGqZpcvyVb*B!3xyqiaAAAAABAAAAA

Tab_Flettner
02-23-2008, 07:05 AM
"I am a Spongbob Square Pants Fan also.."

Sure, whatever....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/mr_coffee/test2.jpg

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:08 AM
Some nice screenshots Flettner.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I have been a fan of this game for a long time. I didn't know there were all these great mods developed for it though till now.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

btw what mod does the nice sky you got going on there?

joeap
02-23-2008, 11:32 AM
Thanks guys! Last question about the recommended specs accurate in your opinion?

Edit: Drat only shipping within the US. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
Thanks guys! Last question about the recommended specs accurate in your opinion?

Edit: Drat only shipping within the US. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I think so but I believe with the new mods added it could use a little bit quicker system. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

When it snows or a lot of tanks are on the screen it slows down just a bit..

Hope you find an outside the usa shipper buddy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 12:46 PM
T-34 vs. TIGER

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/wwiibattletankst34vstige...l?tag=result;title;0 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/wwiibattletankst34vstiger/index.html?tag=result;title;0)

11 April 2008 (Europe)

It will blow away PE MOD.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
T-34 vs. TIGER

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/wwiibattletankst34vstige...l?tag=result;title;0 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/wwiibattletankst34vstiger/index.html?tag=result;title;0)

11 April 2008 (Europe)

It will blow away PE MOD.

Ya I saw it. Looks pretty good although the commander position (you) seems to have to operate as the gunner all the time too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I like having my gunner do most of the work as real tank commanders did.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I also don't see any platoon squadron where you control a whole platoon of tanks? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

IMO this makes a world of difference in a tank battle.

Just the same I love tanks sims so I am thinking of giving it a try.

Surprising though how well PE holds up even now with these new mods. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

They only have two tanks to use in this new game? WTF is up with that..? No panzer three and IV even? No Panther or King Tiger! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 01:53 PM
PE has so many missions now it isn't even funny. Basically I have four different versions now with over 60 missions. I have at least fifteen different tanks I can use now also.

This new game is apparently based on one basic one.

Damn and it looked so good too..

looks a bit like "Quake shoot um up Russian style" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Airmail109
02-23-2008, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
PE has so many missions now it isn't even funny. Basically I have four different versions now with over 60 missions. I have at least fifteen different tanks I can use now also.

This new game is apparently based on one basic one.

Damn and it looked so good too..

looks a bit like "Quake shoot um up Russian style" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Wrong Panzer elite is more of a survey sim.

T34 versus Tiger is more akin to Falcon 4, a study sim. Thats why theres less tanks. They are far more detailed not just in terms of graphics.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
PE has so many missions now it isn't even funny. Basically I have four different versions now with over 60 missions. I have at least fifteen different tanks I can use now also.

This new game is apparently based on one basic one.

Damn and it looked so good too..

looks a bit like "Quake shoot um up Russian style" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Wrong Panzer elite is more of a survey sim.

T34 versus Tiger is more akin to Falcon 4, a study sim. Thats why theres less tanks. They are far more detailed not just in terms of graphics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope so. I truly do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I watched a trailor of it and the tank commander has a direct view to the gunner scope from the cupola, something that wasn't in the tiger that I am ever aware of.

M1 a1's have this feature but not ww 2 tanks.

The driver's position looks quite excellent though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 03:27 PM
BTW this is an exact copy of a german gunner's scope from the new PE mods. The new tiger game doesn't have it in the gunner viewfinder..

Falcon 4..? I don't think so...

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5602/stst077uw1.jpg

woofiedog
02-23-2008, 03:29 PM
Here is a link to the T-34 vs Tiger demo...

http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=10794

It's rapidshare and three parts.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
PE has so many missions now it isn't even funny. Basically I have four different versions now with over 60 missions. I have at least fifteen different tanks I can use now also.

This new game is apparently based on one basic one.

Damn and it looked so good too..

looks a bit like "Quake shoot um up Russian style" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Wrong Panzer elite is more of a survey sim.

T34 versus Tiger is more akin to Falcon 4, a study sim. Thats why theres less tanks. They are far more detailed not just in terms of graphics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eggzactly.

Hmmmmm, are you sure you were not using the STEEL FURY demo which accurately has the two-man turret T-34-76 Model 1942 in which the commander was also the gunner (why the overloaded commander had trouble controlling the tank)? T-34 VS TIGER has the three-man turret T-34-85. You can designate targets to the gunner as the commander using the commander's sight, but you can't shoot from his position. T-34 VS TIG intensively covers the June 1944 Operation Bagration which destroyed the German Army Group Center. Thus, no Pz IIIs. STEEL FURY, which will be aeons better than PE MOD (here is the demo):

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10078/Steel+Fury+Demo

will specialize in the May 1942 Battle of Kharkov with the T-34-76 Model 1942 vs the Panzer IVF with the long 75. The modeling of the T-34 is incredible---all the sights (roof periscope, main gun, machine gun are useable).

I believe both of these were done by the Russians who did the T-72 simulator. In that item, you were able to control a platoon, or, possibly, a company---can't recall which.

At any rate, these two promise to be the first WWII tank simulators on the line of STEEL BEASTS for modern tanks.

There was a WWII mod for OPERATION FLASHPOINT done by Russians and titled "Liberation." I tried it. It was a big step up from PE MOD, but nothing like what is coming this year.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 03:55 PM
The indicators on the scope are for various german ap ammo.

Also in the tiger vs t-34 trailor the tigers are firing on the move. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Tiger cannon weren't gyro stabilized as are in the M1 and all modern tanks..

study sim? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
PE has so many missions now it isn't even funny. Basically I have four different versions now with over 60 missions. I have at least fifteen different tanks I can use now also.

This new game is apparently based on one basic one.

Damn and it looked so good too..

looks a bit like "Quake shoot um up Russian style" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Wrong Panzer elite is more of a survey sim.

T34 versus Tiger is more akin to Falcon 4, a study sim. Thats why theres less tanks. They are far more detailed not just in terms of graphics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eggzactly.

Hmmmmm, are you sure you were not using the STEEL FURY demo which accurately has the two-man turret T-34-76 Model 1942 in which the commander was also the gunner (why the overloaded commander had trouble controlling the tank)? T-34 VS TIGER has the three-man turret T-34-85. You can designate targets to the gunner as the commander using the commander's sight, but you can't shoot from his position. T-34 VS TIG intensively covers the June 1944 Operation Bagration which destroyed the German Army Group Center. Thus, no Pz IIIs. STEEL FURY, which will be aeons better than PE MOD (here is the demo):

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10078/Steel+Fury+Demo

will specialize in the May 1942 Battle of Kharkov with the T-34-76 Model 1942 vs the Panzer IVF with the long 75. The modeling of the T-34 is incredible---all the sights (roof periscope, main gun, machine gun are useable).

I believe both of these were done by the Russians who did the T-72 simulator. In that item, you were able to control a platoon, or, possibly, a company---can't recall which.

At any rate, these two promise to be the first WWII tank simulators on the line of STEEL BEASTS for modern tanks.

There was a WWII mod for OPERATION FLASHPOINT done by Russians and titled "Liberation." I tried it. It was a big step up from PE MOD, but nothing like what is coming this year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will have to check this all out. I will tell you one thing. The most accurate sim will get my attention! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Airmail109
02-23-2008, 04:00 PM
Erm Im afraid they could fire on the move at slower speeds. Just not over uneven terrain. British tank crews were even trained to fire on the move.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Erm Im afraid they could fire on the move at slower speeds. Just not over uneven terrain. British tank crews were even trained to fire on the move.

They could fire on the move of course but not very accurate whatsoever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

look at the gunner's scope and the distances they are firing. One has to adjust constantly for all the movement of the tank even on level smooth ground.

Don't believe me get a ww 2 tank sim and give it a try.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 04:36 PM
We all know you can't judge a game by the advertisements. Try the demos. If you attempt to shoot on the move with the T-34, your shell likely will miss. Factually, intensive training could compensate to a degree for lack of stabilizers (which were not that good---only the U.S. tanks had them). FACT: The Germans did shoot on the move. Read any eyewitness account of tank battles in N. Africa, such as Crisp's BRAZEN CHARIOTS. The German tanks rolled ahead slowly, and fired to suppress or intimidate. Rommel regularly used moving fire as commander of the 7th Panzer in France 1940---and it was very effective against an enemy ready to break. In the famous Totensonntag fight at Sidi Rezegh in Nov 1941, the German regimental commander led the tanks forward in an open car while standing up---the tanks were shooting as they rolled forward against the Commonwealth positions. The regimental commander was mowed down with all his staff, of course, but being a Prussian carries certain obligations (see WITH ROMMEL IN THE DESERT, Schmidt). In STEEL FURY you can shoot on the move if you are on flat terrain, like a road, you are moving slowly, the range is close, and you are good.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 04:47 PM
Airmail is exactly right about the British. They trained to fire on the move, and the crack Royal Tank Regiment units could do it and hit. Yeomanry units, like some of the Crusaders in the Nov 1941 "Crusader" operation, could not hit the broad side of a barn door, but they still charged. One charged Ariete in a dug-in position, and was shot to pieces. The crack British tank units in the winter 1940-41 "Compass" operation comprehensively defeated the Italians using moving fire, and constant position changes. They were completely professional and the equal of any German unit (too bad they were thrown away in Greece). Beda Fomm, the culmination of Compass, saw a few British tanks defeat one large Italian column after another.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 04:53 PM
Re PE MOD---have you used the Grant yet? It was a joke because nobody could get the 75mm to work. We had to settle for the turret 37mm. The N Africa mod was the best one of the lot. The maps, vehicles, and scenarios were superb. I corresponded with the designer. It was a pity he decided to give up on modding PE.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Re PE MOD---have you used the Grant yet? It was a joke because nobody could get the 75mm to work. We had to settle for the turret 37mm. The N Africa mod was the best one of the lot. The maps, vehicles, and scenarios were superb. I corresponded with the designer. It was a pity he decided to give up on modding PE.

I havn't tried the grant yet. Your absolutely right it is a real pity the developers decided to give up on modding the game.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Oh well the new user mods are a lot of fun to play with.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
We all know you can't judge a game by the advertisements. Try the demos. If you attempt to shoot on the move with the T-34, your shell likely will miss. Factually, intensive training could compensate to a degree for lack of stabilizers (which were not that good---only the U.S. tanks had them). FACT: The Germans did shoot on the move. Read any eyewitness account of tank battles in N. Africa, such as Crisp's BRAZEN CHARIOTS. The German tanks rolled ahead slowly, and fired to suppress or intimidate. Rommel regularly used moving fire as commander of the 7th Panzer in France 1940---and it was very effective against an enemy ready to break. In the famous Totensonntag fight at Sidi Rezegh in Nov 1941, the German regimental commander led the tanks forward in an open car while standing up---the tanks were shooting as they rolled forward against the Commonwealth positions. The regimental commander was mowed down with all his staff, of course, but being a Prussian carries certain obligations (see WITH ROMMEL IN THE DESERT, Schmidt). In STEEL FURY you can shoot on the move if you are on flat terrain, like a road, you are moving slowly, the range is close, and you are good.

>>In STEEL FURY you can shoot on the move if you are on flat terrain, like a road, you are moving slowly, the range is close, and you are good<<

yes this would make it possible but you have to get pretty close first! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 05:15 PM
Absolutely. Shooting on the move is a luxury. The Sovs fought buttoned up in 1941-43 (had to---they didn't have gunners so the commanders were doing the shooting), and fired on the move as they rolled through the Germans. Got slaughtered, of course. I have never seen film of a Tiger I shooting on the move---always stationary. I got into a tussle with one of the denser PE modders, who, stunningly, claimed to be ex-Army. I complained about the lack of smoke, flash, and dust when the big 88 fired. He insisted the 88 just made a puff of smoke (!). I refuted him by providing combat images of a Tiger I at Kursk kicking up quite a little dust storm when it fired, while marking itself with a presentable gun flash!

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:15 PM
believe me I will buy the first tank sim that has all the elements I want. For now PE has a lot to offer and is a blast to play. You know what they say..

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Absolutely. Shooting on the move is a luxury. The Sovs fought buttoned up in 1941-43 (had to---they didn't have gunners so the commanders were doing the shooting), and fired on the move as they rolled through the Germans. Got slaughtered, of course. I have never seen film of a Tiger I shooting on the move---always stationary. I got into a tussle with one of the denser PE modders, who, stunningly, claimed to be ex-Army. I complained about the lack of smoke, flash, and dust when the big 88 fired. He insisted the 88 just made a puff of smoke (!). I refuted him by providing combat images of a Tiger I at Kursk kicking up quite a little dust storm when it fired, while marking itself with a presentable gun flash!

Everyone's an expert huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

somewhere I saw a mention of a mod in PE to make the cannon recoil. can't remember where now.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-23-2008, 05:18 PM
Package arrived, installed and working flawlessly. No problems, as I knew there wouldn`t be. Now to install the Mods...

Look for some screenshots soon!

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 05:19 PM
Well, SV, I know from my experience PE MOD can be quite a hoot, but, in time, the flaws really become annoying. By then the really hot stuff ought to be on the shelves.

P.S. The two volume PANZER ACES by Kurowski is the best class on WWII tank tactics in existence---ten stars.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Package arrived, installed and working flawlessly. No problems, as I knew there wouldn`t be. Now to install the Mods...

Look for some screenshots soon!

Look forward to it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, SV, I know from my experience PE MOD can be quite a hoot, but, in time, the flaws really become annoying. By then the really hot stuff ought to be on the shelves.

P.S. The two volume PANZER ACES by Kurowski is the best class on WWII tank tactics in existence---ten stars.

Ya I know leitmov. That's all I am looking for buddy. When the new tank sims come out I will probably buy them all. I just love good tank sims.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 05:25 PM
So do eye. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, SV, I know from my experience PE MOD can be quite a hoot, but, in time, the flaws really become annoying. By then the really hot stuff ought to be on the shelves.

P.S. The two volume PANZER ACES by Kurowski is the best class on WWII tank tactics in existence---ten stars.

Btw I have been reading that very same book over again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Great book! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 06:20 PM
That it is. Here is another gem for early war British and German tank tactics:

"Tank Combat in North Africa: The Opening Rounds: Operations Sonnenblume, Brevity, Skorpion and Battleaxe February 1941-June 1941." Thomas Jentz. Schiffer.

The "Honey" M3 in the N Africa mod is a great vehicle to use, but, for long life, Panzers are best, but, even in those, I would regularly get grilled by a British AT gun I didn't see. As I recall, Kurowski wrote that the Germans rated an AT gun kill higher than a tank kill because they were so much harder to detect and hit. I can believe it...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
That it is. Here is another gem for early war British and German tank tactics:

"Tank Combat in North Africa: The Opening Rounds: Operations Sonnenblume, Brevity, Skorpion and Battleaxe February 1941-June 1941." Thomas Jentz. Schiffer.

The "Honey" M3 in the N Africa mod is a great vehicle to use, but, for long life, Panzers are best, but, even in those, I would regularly get grilled by a British AT gun I didn't see. As I recall, Kurowski wrote that the Germans rated an AT gun kill higher than a tank kill because they were so much harder to detect and hit. I can believe it...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I always have trouble detecting at guns.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

and hidden anti-tank infantry in woods and towns.

In the PEX mod you get to look at the shells coming straight at you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 06:34 PM
P.S. Have you tried the Kursk T-34-76 Model 1943 vs Tiger scenario yet? It is one of the best. You cant miss it. Starts out with the Russians lined up in a huge, near flat area with a windmill. You advance to meet the kitties. Man, is it a bloodbath! T-34s brewing everywhere, kitties coming at you all of a sudden. I once managed to snipe one or two Tigs from a hull down position. I was so stunned I had to roll over and check that they were dead. Usually I was blown to bits in a close-range shoot-out with Tigs which came out of covered terrain.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 06:40 PM
There is another good one where you have a "Ferdinand" Porsche Tiger Panzerjager. You have to advance on a hill which is full of KV-1s. Man, is it a brawl. If you fight through all the KVs, you start to advance down from the hill along a road, and, out of nowhere, come some Su-152s!!!! Point-black gunslinging! I'd always get blown sky high.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
P.S. Have you tried the Kursk T-34-76 Model 1943 vs Tiger scenario yet? It is one of the best. You cant miss it. Starts out with the Russians lined up in a huge, near flat area with a windmill. You advance to meet the kitties. Man, is it a bloodbath! T-34s brewing everywhere, kitties coming at you all of a sudden. I once managed to snipe one or two Tigs from a hull down position. I was so stunned I had to roll over and check that they were dead. Usually I was blown to bits in a close-range shoot-out with Tigs which came out of covered terrain.

I haven't been doing too well playing a Russian tanker playing the Russian side yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I was using Js-1's and I still got totally hammered by some German tigers..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There is another good one where you have a "Ferdinand" Porsche Tiger Panzerjager. You have to advance on a hill which is full of KV-1s. Man, is it a brawl. If you fight through all the KVs, you start to advance down from the hill along a road, and, out of nowhere, come some Su-152s!!!! Point-black gunslinging! I'd always get blown sky high.

Oh god Kv-1's! They have eaten me as a light snack more then a few times now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Some of these missions are real attention getters! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Low_Flyer_MkIX
02-23-2008, 06:46 PM
Oh the irony. Here's me a short bus ride away from the largest collection of historic AFVs in the world, and a devotee of Rome/Medieval 2 mods.

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 06:51 PM
One thing that was great about PE MOD was that there weren't any easy "feel good" scenarios. You usually got yer a-- handed to you (burn, crackle). Try the JS-2 scenarios. With a JS-2 you can get one hit kills on the biggest kitties if you blast them in the flank (good old 122mm gun!).

Try a T-34-76 in the '41 scenarios (but be sure to play as both the commander and gunner---in fact, do this for all Sov tanks up until the T-34-85, KV-85, JS-2, SU-76/85/100/152). Sit back in a good hull-down position and shoot away.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Oh the irony. Here's me a short bus ride away from the largest collection of historic AFVs in the world, and a devotee of Rome/Medieval 2 mods.

Ya, I can know what you mean.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I have the game "Rome, Total War" but I just can't get my head around trying it yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Oh the irony. Here's me a short bus ride away from the largest collection of historic AFVs in the world, and a devotee of Rome/Medieval 2 mods.

I can dig it. I couldn't run ROME when it first came out because of a whacked-out motherboard which arbitrarily rejected some games. I wanted to have a try at the Punic Wars.

However, it is heresy to go antiquarian in a tank thread. Shot at dawn!

Double heresy for running around in a toga with Bovington nearby! (That's another museum I missed, whimper).

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
One thing that was great about PE MOD was that there weren't any easy "feel good" scenarios. You usually got yer a-- handed to you (burn, crackle). Try the JS-2 scenarios. With a JS-2 you can get one hit kills on the biggest kitties if you blast them in the flank (good old 122mm gun!).


Try a T-34-76 in the '41 scenarios (but be sure to play as both the commander ]and gunner---in fact, do this for all Sov tanks up until the T-34-85, KV-85, JS-2, SU-76/85/100/152). Sit back in a good hull-down position and shoot away.

No they sure the heck aren't! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif You have to get use to having the Sh-t kicked out of you regualarly! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I really have to go back to "gunner 101" I use to be a pretty darn good gunner but I have lost my skills over time.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Oh the irony. Here's me a short bus ride away from the largest collection of historic AFVs in the world, and a devotee of Rome/Medieval 2 mods.

I can dig it. I couldn't run ROME when it first came out because of a whacked-out motherboard which arbitrarily rejected some games. I wanted to have a try at the Punic Wars.

However, it is heresy to go antiquarian in a tank thread. Shot at dawn!

Double heresy for running around in a toga with Bovington nearby! (That's another museum I missed, whimper). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 07:03 PM
There is one dreadful scenario where you are in a Czech tank leading a column in Russia, and what do you discover? A horrible great KV-1 sitting at an intersection blowing everything to bits! I spent hours sneaking up on the biskit, got up close, hiding in a ditch, and started tinging away with my miserable 37mm. I was trying a hail Mary pass hoping to set fire to him with my MG (lucky hit on fuel tank). Naw. Stalemate. He had me trapped in my ditch, and he was, literally, king of the road!

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:03 PM
PE missions tend to humble you. Something I am not use to feeling with military sims.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
There is one dreadful scenario where you are in a Czech tank leading a column in Russia, and what do you discover? A horrible great KV-1 sitting at an intersection blowing everything to bits! I spent hours sneaking up on the biskit, got up close, hiding in a ditch, and started tinging away with my miserable 37mm. I was trying a hail Mary pass hoping to set fire to him with my MG (lucky hit on fuel tank). Naw. Stalemate. He had me trapped in my ditch, and he was, literally, king of the road!

Just about every new mission I have found in the new Russian scenarios are "dreaded"! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

with the short nose 75 mm panzer IV agains't the Kv-1 I just wish i had an option like some german tankers did and could get out and just attach mines to them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Another good thing about PE MOD is that there are a lot of classic stalking (right up your alley) scenarios where you have to carefully use cover to crawl up on the enemy. I once sneaked up on some Tigs in a 76 T-34---blew 'em to bits with my company, was gloating mightily when more Tigs came out from behind buildings, charged us, and ate our lunch. I felt totally totally!

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 07:11 PM
Isn't there a HEAT round for the 75/24? It was able to blow into KVs nicely IRL.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Another good thing about PE MOD is that there are a lot of classic stalking (right up your alley) scenarios where you have to carefully use cover to crawl up on the enemy. I once sneaked up on some Tigs in a 76 T-34---blew 'em to bits with my company, was gloating mightily when more Tigs came out from behind buildings, charged us, and ate our lunch. I felt totally totally!

Ya stalking is my forte .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Then they stalk me.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MajorMagee
02-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Things have improved quite a bit since the version you're showing in the post at the top of this thread.
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/Torch-X.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/AlliedGunner.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/GermanGunner.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/GermanBowMG.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/PantherSight.jpg

You should check out the latest news on the PE-X Mods over at the PEDG site.

http://pedg.yuku.com/directory

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Isn't there a HEAT round for the 75/24? It was able to blow into KVs nicely IRL.

Ya thank god I recently found this out! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 07:16 PM
When worst comes to worst, shoot into the air vents on the Sov monsters---as I recall this sometimes set the friggin engines on fire---use your HE round for this. Also, blast their tracks or road wheels to dismast the buggers. In a real crisis, and I have a c--p tank, I always fire my MG right at the monster's gunsight trying to star his gunsight. I think this worked in PE.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by MajorMagee:
Things have improved quite a bit since the version you're showing in the posts above.
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/Torch-X.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/AlliedGunner.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/GermanGunner.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/GermanBowMG.jpg
http://pedg.chollie.co.uk/files//MajorMagee/PantherSight.jpg

You should check out the latest news on the PE-X Mods over at the PEDG site.

http://pedg.yuku.com/directory

My Hero! MajorMagee! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Yup I am sure to check this out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
When worst comes to worst, shoot into the air vents on the Sov monsters---as I recall this sometimes set the friggin engines on fire---use your HE round for this. Also, blast their tracks or road wheels to dismast the buggers. In a real crisis, and I have a c--p tank, I always fire my MG right at the monster's gunsight trying to star his gunsight. I think this worked in PE.

I will have to write this all down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know about the tracks. I once had a platton of Kv-1's lower the boom on my whole platoon and then go chasing me all over the battlefield to finish me off! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Damn Russkies are mighty touch-ee about being on their land.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Can someone please finish up the cromwell's interior or at least put some nice british girlie pin-up pictures inside it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
02-23-2008, 07:33 PM
Yeah, well, it's been about two years since I last used PE MOD, and since then, I used RED ORC a lot (a pleasure after PE MOD, no bugs), and I used STEEL FURY a great deal after it was released a year ago. I haven't yet tried the T-34 VS TIG demo mainly because I have no interest in the T-34-85. Waiting for the full item to use the kitty. Thus, I might have some techniques from STEEL FURY or RED ORC mixed up with PEM.

stalkervision
02-23-2008, 07:37 PM
I have to relearn what I use to know about PE. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif For now I am just enjoying the new mods too much! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Great new missions and tanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

stalkervision
02-24-2008, 11:02 AM
Instant action mission. Ostpack mod/Bar brawl around a French village in Normandy. I was kicking butt with my tiger paltoon till I foolishly went looking for more target in the woods! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7629/stst004ib6.jpg

stalkervision
02-24-2008, 01:40 PM
My panther taking out a squadron of cromwells and armored troop carriers. Gunners view... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/571/stst006sr7.jpg

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 10:32 AM
My Tiger paltoon was tasked with getting through two reinforced Russian village. The commander also warned us that t-34's would be there to meet us.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/886/stst007gj7.jpg

Burning t-34's in the distance and a few of our infantry fighting vehicles that didn't wait for my platoon to attack the village first.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 10:37 AM
View from the cupola "buttoned up"

The Ruskies threw a load of artillary here which damaged two of my tigers running gear. I just managed to dive down inside my cuppola and close the hatch before it hit us. Told the driver full speed ahead and out ran the barrage. My wing man did the same. Good commander in that tank! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2792/stst009fp3.jpg

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Russkie tanks all on fire. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3382/stst011ij1.jpg

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 10:42 AM
Destroyed Su-152 . Damn hard assault gun to kill! The radio man thought the tank crew might be alive because it looked like it wasn't damaged all that much but he looked inside and one of our Ap rounds had managed to penetrate the tank, bounced around the interior and mashed the crew to pieces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3409/stst012zm9.jpg

jadger
02-25-2008, 12:58 PM
Anyone ever play "Red Orchestra"? love that gmae, tanks well designed, and there are tank specific maps as well as infantry maps, and it's free to play on Steam. I suggest playing it, it's aweseom!!!!

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
Anyone ever play "Red Orchestra"? love that gmae, tanks well designed, and there are tank specific maps as well as infantry maps, and it's free to play on Steam. I suggest playing it, it's aweseom!!!!

Leitmotiv likes it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

another tank sim I will have to check out.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

woofiedog
02-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Was out & about today and stopped the book store. Picked up Tigers in the Mud, by Otto Carius. Looks like it's going to be a good reader.

Tigers in the Mud (http://books.google.com/books?id=KdZZANBqbHMC&dq=tiger+in+the+mud&pg=PP1&ots=Cj9KT77kiM&sig=iHyL4v2vmlChbAnLhNLLrvj3IiE&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tiger+in+the+mud&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811729117.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

SeaFireLIV
02-25-2008, 03:18 PM
Red Orchestra is really a first person-shooter and tank sim, but for online. You can play it offline, but the Ai`s not very good. However, it has great atmosphere and you really start to feel you`re a russian or german grunt on the front taking the ****.

Tank fighting is also very good, but takes skill to survive in as everyone else knows the tricks of tank fighting. taking a tiger does not always guarantee that you`ll own the field.

It`s a good online game.

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Was out & about today and stopped the book store. Picked up Tigers in the Mud, by Otto Carius. Looks like it's going to be a good reader.

Tigers in the Mud (http://books.google.com/books?id=KdZZANBqbHMC&dq=tiger+in+the+mud&pg=PP1&ots=Cj9KT77kiM&sig=iHyL4v2vmlChbAnLhNLLrvj3IiE&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tiger+in+the+mud&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811729117.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Ohhh, I really have to get that book.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Damn there are so many fine panzer books out there. Wish I could get them all.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 07:06 PM
Panzer Elite Forums

Hay they know about my post! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://pedg.yuku.com/topic/1717

I signed up too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

any other "tankers" here? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

apparently there is a multiplayer community here though I am not a MP person. There sure are a lot of MP people here at il-2 though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sillius_Sodus
02-25-2008, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Was out & about today and stopped the book store. Picked up Tigers in the Mud, by Otto Carius. Looks like it's going to be a good reader.

Tigers in the Mud (http://books.google.com/books?id=KdZZANBqbHMC&dq=tiger+in+the+mud&pg=PP1&ots=Cj9KT77kiM&sig=iHyL4v2vmlChbAnLhNLLrvj3IiE&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tiger+in+the+mud&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)



http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811729117.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Ohhh, I really have to get that book.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Damn there are so many fine panzer books out there. Wish I could get them all.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woofie,

Actually, it's a pretty boring book, imo it's poorly written (or perhaps translated) and the author whines a lot. But then again it is a personal view of his war. I hope you enjoy it anyway, just because I don't like it doesn't mean you won't find it a good read.

Imo a much better book in Stackpole's military history series is "Armor Battles of the Waffen SS" by Will Fey, another SS vet.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

stalkervision
02-25-2008, 08:15 PM
This is a real good book. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

"Steel Rain"

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/186227150X/ref=dp_...TF8&showViewpoints=1 (http://www.amazon.com/review/product/186227150X/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/104-1913219-7323162?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1)

BobR1
02-25-2008, 10:02 PM
I am BobR, one of the main modders of Ostpak.
here are some screenshots from the latest PE mod, Panzer Elite 3:

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/France40.jpg
Above shot adds Monty verses Rommel Brit tanks to 1939 -42 CustomB Ostpak, making French campaign possible.


http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/Desert.jpg
This is from the Tunisian scenario Toum

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/Sherman.jpg
The Firefly and Easy eight Sherman.



http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/KVvsIS.jpg
This picture shows the KV1, JS1 and KV85 out back, and T3476.


http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/LeeGreyhoundM18.jpg
With Geezer's improved art work all American tanks in the Panzer Elite experience can be updated. Above shows M18 Hellcat and M8 scout car with 'Torch' Lee.

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/M26vsM476.jpg
The above shot is the M26 and M4A3 76, both PP2 tanks painted with Torch textures in 1945 Ruhr scenario

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/M10vsM36.jpg
Above contrasts repainted PP2 M36 with Britpak M10 in Normandy

BobR1
02-25-2008, 10:06 PM
http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/GeezerHouse.jpg
Above is the sampling of new industrial buildings built five years ago for the B41 project

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/Railcar.jpg
Some detailed railcars and boxcars from the same B41 archive.


http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/MontyVs SovPak.jpg (http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/MontyVs%20SovPak.jpg)
This is Berlin Bears with trucks from the Soviet Pak by Major Magee/ Geezer

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/IS2vsT34.jpg

The T3485 and Is2, with a Lend lease Churchill.


Edit by Tully: Fix URL's

BobR1
02-25-2008, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BobR1:
http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/GeezerHouse.jpg
Above is the sampling of new industrial buildings built five years ago for the B41 project

http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/Railcar.jpg
Some detailed railcars and boxcars from the same B41 archive.

BobR1
02-25-2008, 10:30 PM
From your screenshots it seems your Panzer Elite graphics could be a bit sharper and less fuzzier.

If you go to the 3D config menu Advanced section, make sure you have the detail set to Automatic, rather than each category individually checked off.

You are not in Software mod but 3D mode, right?

Hmmm otherwise maybe you have a generic video card. The PC I bought three years ago requuired a video card update because I was getting soft and un detailed graphics similar to yours. That is, I could see the boundaries between ground tiles and colors on the tanks, and even the sky and clouds!

Great to hear you like the game, I have played it at least three times a week for nine solid years. Most of it was modding, though.

jadger
02-26-2008, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Red Orchestra is really a first person-shooter and tank sim, but for online. You can play it offline, but the Ai`s not very good. However, it has great atmosphere and you really start to feel you`re a russian or german grunt on the front taking the ****.

Tank fighting is also very good, but takes skill to survive in as everyone else knows the tricks of tank fighting. taking a tiger does not always guarantee that you`ll own the field.

It`s a good online game.

indeed, I prefer the Panther over the Tiger, much faster than that slow moving bohemoth, although me and a buddy once drove along together in two tigers and never got killed the whole game, we owned for sure.

I also like to grab a Panzerfaust and have at 'er. I dont bother aiming it, I just use cover to wait for them to pass close to me and then on the run blast them from the hip in the side... gives me a fright whenever it doesnt die the first shot though and I gotta reload http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

woofiedog
02-26-2008, 01:59 AM
BobR1... Very nice work and screen shots... would like to try out the Matilda against the early Panzer IV's even with it's popgun 2pdr.

stalkervision & Sillius_Sodus... I've just started the book 1945 Endgame. But I'll get back and post a note on Tigers in the Mud.

Endgame, 1945 (http://www.amazon.com/Endgame-1945-Missing-Final-Chapter/dp/0316109800)

stalkervision... I've seen Steel Rain around will have to pick up a copy... Thank's for the heads up. Great work on these screenshots... feel like placing a order for PE. A lot of armor and timelines of the war to choose from. Uhmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Feathered_IV
02-26-2008, 02:53 AM
I think I'd like to try this one. Missed it first time around.

stalkervision
02-26-2008, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by BobR1:
From your screenshots it seems your Panzer Elite graphics could be a bit sharper and less fuzzier.

If you go to the 3D config menu Advanced section, make sure you have the detail set to Automatic, rather than each category individually checked off.

You are not in Software mod but 3D mode, right?

Hmmm otherwise maybe you have a generic video card. The PC I bought three years ago requuired a video card update because I was getting soft and un detailed graphics similar to yours. That is, I could see the boundaries between ground tiles and colors on the tanks, and even the sky and clouds!

Great to hear you like the game, I have played it at least three times a week for nine solid years. Most of it was modding, though.


Thanks for all the patches and help with the graphics card settings bob. I have always really liked the game and now with these excellent new patches it really comes alive.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BobR1
02-26-2008, 07:06 PM
The artwork for the tanks and buildings was done by 'Geezer' of the PEDG group.
Alot of the work I did, besides the scenario making, were painting additional tank models using these textures. Panzer Elite supplies you with modding tools to paint or customize all in game objects, and create scenarios.
The look of Panzer Elite can easily be transformed, depending on the textures. It could become a World War one tank sim, or even late war as indeed Major Magee built a Korean and Middle east expansion mod.

The code has been released to the Mod groups and Aldo from PEDG has accomplished some significant improvements like extended view range, fog amd haze, and time of flight for shell trajectory.

Compared to the new WW2 tank sim offerings the PE tank graphics pale in comparison, but it all comes down to what entertains you. The possibility does exist that the heat of tank combat masks the inadequacy of model graphics from say, 500 meters distance, so TvsT type eye candy becomes less relevant. In other words, guys like Stalker vision might play Tiger vs t34 for two hours, and after getting sick of playing with two tanks in the same geographical area, might end up spending four hours playing Panzer Elite with 100 different tanks in six different theaters with 130 scenarios!
The old quality vs quantity trade off.

On the other hand you cannot stop progress and with the release of these new sims PE may be as forgotton as Panzer Commander.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
02-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Can I get to see a screenie with some infantry in it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

BobR1
02-26-2008, 09:30 PM
http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/SummerInfantry.jpg
http://ostpak.chollie.co.uk/WinterInfantry.jpg

The infantry figures are, alas, a weakpoint in PE. But they do offer a realistic target, requiring the tank commander to use his coax and hull mgs in addition to using High explosive ammuntion, and switching back to solid AP shot.

Tab_Flettner
02-26-2008, 09:32 PM
"Panzer Elite Forums
Hay they know about my post! Smile
http://pedg.yuku.com/topic/1717"

Hay don't tell anybody but Tab Flettner is, in reality, Mr Coffee!!!1

(GASP!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/mr_coffee/213223411232.jpg

stalkervision
02-27-2008, 09:49 AM
This would be a cool addition to the game. Working "Panzerturms!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.krawa.info/Museen/Pantherturm/pantherturm.html

http://www.krawa.info/panther1.JPG


http://www.krawa.info/a_Pantherv.jpg

Just model the Panzer's working turret! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-27-2008, 05:47 PM
guess the tank.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4738/stst015qn3.jpg

stalkervision
02-27-2008, 05:49 PM
?????? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4095/stst018hb6.jpg

leitmotiv
02-27-2008, 08:07 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">T-34 VS TIGER</span>


http://www.simhq.com/_land2/land_072a.html


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/1.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/2.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/3.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/4.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/G6AS/5.jpg


There is no comparison!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-27-2008, 08:12 PM
That looks like its a 'ferdinand' Stalker vision?

leitmotiv
02-27-2008, 10:01 PM
Supposed to be a Maus ("Mouse") super tank.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-27-2008, 10:28 PM
Yeah I see it now but the scale seems wrong although the mg42 on the rear should have given me a clue http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I guess the second screenie threw me off the trail cos that looks like a ferdinand/elephant

jadger
02-28-2008, 12:27 AM
those aren't both the same tank right? the first one looks like a Jagdtiger, the second one a Maus

stalkervision
02-28-2008, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by jadger:
those aren't both the same tank right? the first one looks like a Jagdtiger, the second one a Maus

Yup... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Maus is pretty cool because nothing can penetrate it's armor. You can actully here the shot bouncing off of it inside! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif The downside is it take a long long time to move it's turret around and get all that steel moving. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
02-28-2008, 07:08 AM
screenshot from the battle of Seelow heights.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5470/stst020gf7.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8247/stst021sz6.jpg


Really really nice to have all these missions to choose from! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
02-29-2008, 11:20 AM
winter war... Kv-1a burns in the background.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6184/stst035yg4.jpg

stalkervision
03-02-2008, 06:09 AM
Knocked out char B's. These usually make toast of my light german tanks but I managed to disable them all with artillary support and one tough little Panzer two and it's little pop gun 20 mm cannon! Not a easy thing to do!

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6172/stst039mr6.jpg

stalkervision
03-03-2008, 04:14 PM
ambushed from a ridge..

Six T-34's made it decidingly uncomfortable for my platoon. Took out two of them and left my tank undriveable so I grabbed the last driveable tank but didn't get far.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/383/stst003ez3.jpg

stalkervision
03-03-2008, 04:20 PM
My Panzer 4 platoon before it got wacked.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9435/stst007va7.jpg

stalkervision
03-03-2008, 04:24 PM
T-34's on fire..

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/979/stst009jm2.jpg

stalkervision
03-03-2008, 04:32 PM
managed to take out six T-34 myself along with a wingman who's gunner was wounded very badly and followed me for maoral support. Managed to capture this important bridge with him. Notice the Russian anti-tank shells on the bridge.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9464/stst010lq1.jpg

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 01:54 PM
My full platoon of Panzer's firing on Russian T-34's

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5138/stst026su9.jpg

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 02:30 PM
My mission briefing. The blue lines are my panzer routes and the red crosses were my objectives..

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8603/teterevino05dw3.jpg

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 02:33 PM
T-34's and assorted other armored tanks on fire..

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5104/stst015ut6.jpg

commander's view through binoculars..

woofiedog
03-04-2008, 02:34 PM
Excellent screen shots... Thank's for taking the time too post them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 02:38 PM
what was left of my platoon. One panzer IV. See the other two blown up panzers without turrets next to it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8550/stst029yx4.jpg

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 02:42 PM
heading into Treveno with my single wingman "Zug"

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6085/stst031vd1.jpg

This mission ended as a sucess. We both cleared out the town and manage to reach our final objective! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Excellent screen shots... Thank's for taking the time too post them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I was hoping someone would appreciate them Woofie.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks for the nice compliment.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 03:02 PM
The tanks I am using are all Panzer 4 with additional hollow charge metal shields all around called "Shnirtnzen" or some thing. One can pick additional refinments to your tanks in the game. I like the Panser IV for some strange reason. Probably because it soldiered on with various improvments throughout the war even though it was an old design like the Me-109 but when an experianced crew used it it was still quite deadly tank even till the end of the war.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/iv.jpg

Shermans can have additional armor plates bolted to their sides where they are the thinest..

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz3.htm#panzer4

Additional track welded on to protect the Panzer IV

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/pz4hev.jpg

JZG_Thiem
03-04-2008, 03:21 PM
its called "Schuerze" = skirt
...for some obvious reason

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by JZG_Thiem:
its called "Schuerze" = skirt
...for some obvious reason

I didn't feel like looking the correct spelling up but that makes a lot of sense. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

in later parts of the war they were changed to metal screen that worked just as well and used less precious resources but i like the metal ones better. The screen ones look strange.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

woofiedog
03-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Any more of those 1940 screens by any chance??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

A few screens from T-34 vs Tiger demo...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/T-34Tiger.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/SH_0013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/SH_0016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/SH_0004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/SH_0005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/SH_0007.jpg

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 03:40 PM
The game isn't out yet.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I will probably buy it because one can't have to many tank sims. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It looks pretty cool.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I doesn't have all the really cool missions and various tanks that PE though.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

And no KING TIGER! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 03:49 PM
I haven't even tried the mission where you as the commander of a "Maus' and another Maus take on the whole blooming Soviet army! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/cmaus.jpg

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz7.htm#maus

why? because it scares the Sh-t out of me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/dmaus.jpg

woofiedog
03-04-2008, 04:04 PM
The Maus is quite the machine... but it was slow with return fire with a separate bag with the ammo loading if it was put on the frontlines.

I just happened to place a preorder for T-34 vs Tiger... they say the end of Apr for a release date. Guess I'll found out soon enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
The Maus is quite the machine... but it was slow with return fire with a separate bag with the ammo loading if it was put on the frontlines.

I just happened to place a preorder for T-34 vs Tiger... they say the end of Apr for a release date. Guess I'll found out soon enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It will be out the same time that BOBSOW is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

woofiedog
03-04-2008, 05:01 PM
LoL... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh Yes... we know too well the answer to that question!

Great photo of the Maus... must have been taken by the Allies after the Germans destroyed one before it was captured... although another must have been captured by the Russians as a museum over there has one.

Airmail109
03-04-2008, 06:11 PM
Im thinking of getting a Tamiya RC tank...hmmmm....this thread did it. Thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

stalkervision
03-04-2008, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Im thinking of getting a Tamiya RC tank...hmmmm....this thread did it. Thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

I'm darn jealous.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have a 1/16 RC Panzer IV though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jadger
03-04-2008, 08:54 PM
I was gonna post pics from Red Orchestra, but I been in the mood lately to be a soldat with the panzerfaust hiding in wait, so havent taken any good tank pictures lately, plus, there's no 3rd person view online.

BobR1
03-05-2008, 06:36 PM
I think Stalkervision made a noteworthy observation about the Panzer IV, especially being like the old soldier ME109, a comparison I often thought of.
The Panzer 4 became almost the T34's equal with the Auf F2 version in May 1942, and afterwards the Auf H in July 1943 took the edge due to it's improved 75mm L/48. (Nine months later it was decidedly outclassed with the T34/85).

It was never equaled on the Western front until the M476 in July 1944, and even its 76mm gun is barely better than the L48, though the Sherman was a bit faster.
Not bad for a tank designed in the mid 1930s!


As far as Panzer Elite mission goals, it is more than just destroy such and such a group of enemy targets. You often are required to reach a certain area, with a certain percentage of your wingmen intact. You might also be assigned to protect a company of trucks or a slow broken down tank, a percentage of it must survive.

You can also be assigned to 'identify' or spot a certain unit, usually a tank company or infantry, but it can also be oil storage tanks or headquarters building. Each goal can be assigned as primary, secondary, bonus, or even hidden.

leitmotiv
03-05-2008, 06:54 PM
Alas, for all its ambitions, PE Modded is a buggy mess. Drove me absolutely crazy trying to get it to work smoothly over two years. I turned to the playable RED ORC and "Liberation" WWII mod for OPERATION FLASHPOINT with relief. The latest version of the STEEL FURY demo is a real WWII tank simulator, and it works, unlike PE in any incarnation.

Tab_Flettner
03-05-2008, 10:19 PM
Leit,

I would differ with you on the idea that no incarnation of PE works. It is buggy, requires a lot of work to get figured out, but it does work. I think one of the problems with the thing over time is that many, many people just gave up on it because of experiences like yours, which is a shame.

As for RO, I have played it since prior to it going steam, and I like it as an fps, but its anything but a tank simulator. BobR can recount the discussions at the time on the PE boards that one day it would be. It just didn't happen.

I have hopes for SF and TvT. Its kind of hard to believe that at the grand old age of nine years, nothing has yet surpassed PE.

leitmotiv
03-05-2008, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Tab_Flettner:
Leit,

I would differ with you on the idea that no incarnation of PE works. It is buggy, requires a lot of work to get figured out, but it does work. I think one of the problems with the thing over time is that many, many people just gave up on it because of experiences like yours, which is a shame.

As for RO, I have played it since prior to it going steam, and I like it as an fps, but its anything but a tank simulator. BobR can recount the discussions at the time on the PE boards that one day it would be. It just didn't happen.

I have hopes for SF and TvT. Its kind of hard to believe that at the grand old age of nine years, nothing has yet surpassed PE.

Two years, hours and hours, more reinstalls than I can imagine---I did not set out to do a Ph.D. in PE Mod. There have to be limits. Add to that that I and others found the modders to basically be a mutual admiration society not terribly interested in helping those with major problems with the system.

RED ORC works, as did "Liberation." RO was amusing. PE Mod was not amusing, it was a pain. RO was definitely "sim lite," but so was PE Mod. Once my six Tunisia M4 Shermans were hit from the flank by two Tiger Is---they were only about 100 meters away having come over a rise. Despite our disarray, the Tigers' shots were not penetrating my M4 at 100 meters! I was able to turn my Shermans on them and destroy them with shots on their frontal armor. I was laughing so hard after this I could no longer take the buggy mess seriously. BobR's comment was "perceptual error." Contemptible arrogance. I could not longer justify any further time being spent on this item.

Tab_Flettner
03-05-2008, 10:44 PM
Well, all I can say is that after being around that community for a long time, believe me, they are ANYTHING but a mutual admiration society. That thought actually makes me kind of chuckle given some of the posts on their boards right now.

In fact...well, lets just say there have always been significant differences, many of them extremely public.

jadger
03-06-2008, 12:09 AM
RED ORC works, as did "Liberation." RO was amusing. PE Mod was not amusing, it was a pain. RO was definitely "sim lite," but so was PE Mod. Once my six Tunisia M4 Shermans were hit from the flank by two Tiger Is---they were only about 100 meters away having come over a rise. Despite our disarray, the Tigers' shots were not penetrating my M4 at 100 meters! I was able to turn my Shermans on them and destroy them with shots on their frontal armor. I was laughing so hard after this I could no longer take the buggy mess seriously. BobR's comment was "perceptual error." Contemptible arrogance. I could not longer justify any further time being spent on this item.

I was playing RO the other day and I was sitting in my panther and spotted two T34s, took the one out, the other one went far left behind a ridge, I knew he was pulling a Leuthen on me so I waited, but he went all the way around 180 degrees and came up behind the bush I was on, I saw him at about 500 metres, but he crashed into me, I then put 4 shells into his engine compartment and he didn't blow up, but I did after 3 or 4 of his shots. now that is unrealistic right there.

stalkervision
03-06-2008, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by BobR1:
I think Stalkervision made a noteworthy observation about the Panzer IV, especially being like the old soldier ME109, a comparison I often thought of.
The Panzer 4 became almost the T34's equal with the Auf F2 version in May 1942, and afterwards the Auf H in July 1943 took the edge due to it's improved 75mm L/48. (Nine months later it was decidedly outclassed with the T34/85).

It was never equaled on the Western front until the M476 in July 1944, and even its 76mm gun is barely better than the L48, though the Sherman was a bit faster.
Not bad for a tank designed in the mid 1930s!

Yup, the old Mark IV with the long 75 is one of my favorite tanks. I was watching a show on tank warfare and a lot of german tankers complained when Hitler decided to reduce the number of spare parts for the mark IV to concentrate on newer panzer production.

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 10:25 AM
early Russian campaign with panzer three's..

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1607/stst039ay4.jpg

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 10:29 AM
screening the approaches to this town for the infantry..


http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6158/stst040bu5.jpg

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 10:32 AM
The panzer react...T-26's spotted!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7792/stst041am5.jpg

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 10:36 AM
a t-26 light tank burns..

view through the gunners scope. A commander should never ever have to do his own gunnery work but sometinmes when you get a real poor gunner you sometimes have too.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1139/stst042pc4.jpg

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 12:16 PM
The panzer 3 lives again..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKZUMr5vyNc&feature=related

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 12:33 PM
another german armored vehicle I like for some strange reason is the "marder" series of tank destroyers.

They were one of the only mobile armored vehicles able to take on the T-34 in the early stages of the war and even though they were lightly armored with a high superstructure and open gun area served with destinction to the very end of the war..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGsxUXXouT4&feature=related

...............................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_III

........................................

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8e/MarderIII.jpg/773px-MarderIII.jpg

stalkervision
03-07-2008, 01:12 PM
Just bought a 21 century 1/35 Marder 3 at walymart! The gun treverses, elevates and RECOILS! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/folgore1975/32XBORG.jpg

Marder series of tank destroyers...

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/marder.htm

woofiedog
03-08-2008, 12:40 PM
That MarderIII was a great find... 21st Century Toys has quite the selection of die-cast WWII armor. Interesting video also and that there are some of the German self-propelled guns still out on the field.

1:32 Scale 21st Century (http://www.crossroadsdiecast.com/1arandso.html)

Which of the PE editions are you running? I see that there are three versions... can these be combined into one game?

A few screens of a Panzer take out... the T-34 seems to have better long range capability over the Panzer's in T-34 vs Tiger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/TvsTc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/TvsTd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/TvsTe.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/TvsTf.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/TvsTg.jpg

stalkervision
03-08-2008, 01:27 PM
Ya those 21 century replicas are so darn good I'm addicted now.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The PE version is "Pex for Ostpack" right now. There are modifiers for all versions like a "twilight mod" and a weather mod ect. Lots of options! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

In PE you can fight from a mauder which I have done and it is a lot fun. Got to keep your head down though! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In those other screen shots i got seperated from my platoon and was attacked in mass from some t-26's. I had to move fast and fire on the run because they were all around me!

wish i could get some intense battle action is my screenshots but when your in a battle like that there isn't time. Every split milisecond counts! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Michel Whitman the panzer ace depended totally on his excellent knights cross awarded gunner when things got hot. Like he said "when your in the heat of battle there is no time for a conversation" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Irish_Rogues
03-08-2008, 02:50 PM
WWII Battle Tanks: T-34 vs Tiger List of bugs and remarks

1. Penetration values
2. Reloading times
3. 2-3 fired rounds from enemy tanks in just a few seconds
4. AI sees you through the dense forest
5. Commander sees through the forest and bushes
6. Commander only notices full revealed units
7. Wrongly named subcaliber ammunition
8. When you destroy enemy tanks in a different order, the enemy AI gets stuck and doesn´t
carry on completing the tasks
9. Visibility at long distances. It´s almost imposible to fire at the distances beyond 1800m
10. Too high accuracy of Soviet tanks beyond 1000m
11. Turret speed movement. When the engine is out of order and you switch to an AI gunner,
its movement is suddenly quick (as if the engine works).
12. Halftrucks can chop down trees
13. HE ammunition can sometimes destroy enemy tanks at short distances
14. Tank crew are invulnerable to fire and expose under fire
15. In combat, German tanks shoot sporadicly (only about 3 times a minute) compared to the
Soviet tanks
16. When you are very close to enemy tanks, they don´t shoot at you.
17. Enemy tanks under fire sometimes turn or expose their vulnerable parts or back instead of
turning to you straight.
18. Choosing a different target for your gunner means that he starts shooting not quick
enough because of the new identification of new target (repeating the instruction, which
is OK, but also process of loading and choosing the ammunition type again) .... But if the
gunner is left to choose its targets himself (shooting in his own order), the shooting is
not interrupted by the reloading of the same ammunition type. Confirming the target would
be enough.
19. After switching off the AI commander,it would be nice if the manual commander view
started at position 12 o´clock.
20. When you play as T-34, your turret never blows off
21. Enemy and your AI tanks can chop down trees without being slowed down, while you have to
go slowly, otherwise your engine stops.
22. When you fire at your enemy, even though you´re in an ambush position , they always
identify your position in a few seconds.
23. Trucks and halftrucks explode after the collision with your tank
24. AI gunner fires at halftracks or infantry instead of firing at the primary target.
You have to choose the target manually, which may cause problems, see 18.
25. By lowering the resolution and details, you get only approx. 5 fps on older PC.


There are no patches for Russian release of the game. Sources, close to developer team, say that project is closed.

Hopefully this is not true... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2462527&fpart=1

Brit44Aldo
03-08-2008, 07:06 PM
There are a lot of misconceptions about PE and PEX floating around.

PE has a HUGE number of bugs and unimplemented features. If you ever saw the code, you would be amaized how happy you were with such a well thought out, but rushed to production 1999 title.

PEX is an attempt by modders to learn computer programming and bring to PE the dreams of WingsSimulations. In no way are we a competitor to a modern sim, in fact a primary goal is to be compatable with older hardware. Dress a hag as a school girl and you still have a hag dressed as a school girl.

My only goal is to keep PE playing on my ever increasing outdated PCs and to add features/eliminate bugs. I'm only one motorcycle mechanic who is a pain in the arse to deal with.

I find it offensive to promote a bug ridden, outdated, unfinished project. I guess that's why we are always fighting over there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but we have grown to be (somewhat) cordial in our disagreement.

I am as sad as I was 10 years ago at the neglect given to ground combat sims. That's why PE is my hobby and I have no need for a new hobby until I can beat the enjoyment I get from the Combat Mission series.

Brit44Aldo
03-08-2008, 08:00 PM
PS, I think leitmotiv's comments are exactly what the average player's opinion should be.

Any sim should be a one click install with no more then one patch necessary.

Unfortunatly for me, I did "set out to do a Ph.D. in PE Mod", for the simple reason that "flyguys get all the glory" and I STILL have no faith in any developer to release a modern version.

My only intrest in modding is Commonwelth units. I'd rather repair a POS Harley (tractor of MC's) then mod Ost units. No offence intended, just telling how little interest I have in mechanized weapons from outside the empire.

jadger
03-08-2008, 09:29 PM
13. HE ammunition can sometimes destroy enemy tanks at short distances

what's wrong with that? you never heard of HEAT?

stalkervision
03-08-2008, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 13. HE ammunition can sometimes destroy enemy tanks at short distances

what's wrong with that? you never heard of HEAT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Heat round isn't a infantry HE round... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT_round

woofiedog
03-09-2008, 06:31 AM
Irish_Rogues... agree that hopefully T-34 vs Tiger will not be left dead on the tracks with no support or later updates as some of the other tank sim's have done recently.

Brit44Aldo... Looks like quite a bit of work has gone into making the OSTPAK Panzer Elite over the years. From the video clips on the 'Forum Clan des Officiers Simulations tanks' it's pretty good for an older game. Sort of like IL-2 I truely believe it will continue on for many of us even though it has a few faults and most of us have spent out for computers and computer updates over time just to run IL-2 in perfect mood or close to it.

stalkervision... I think your trying to get me Hooked into this game! LoL

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
03-09-2008, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Im thinking of getting a Tamiya RC tank...hmmmm....this thread did it. Thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

I'm darn jealous.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have a 1/16 RC Panzer IV though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I have been outta the loop for a bit and this thread has snowballed into a real tank fest!

I have a Remote controlled Pershing but the dog goes fooking Nutzo when I fire her up. Fires BB's too although I have not used em much!

Bought and Built myself a new rig with the Hope of playing that T34 v's Tiger only to see that rumours are about that its going the way of the dodo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Thankfully there is that Steel Fury out there and if that don't make it over here then I think I will be looking At Steel Beasts. Of course there are others out there too but I had my heart set on mods for T34 v's Tiger.

Ahh well maybe I can source a copy of PE and try some of the mods that Stalker has shown us.

Top thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I guess I could always fire up Mechwarrior I wonder if they could mod those for PE ?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

jadger
03-09-2008, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 13. HE ammunition can sometimes destroy enemy tanks at short distances

what's wrong with that? you never heard of HEAT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Heat round isn't a infantry HE round... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT_round </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well he never said that. and what are we talking about "short distances". because HE was used to knock out tanks sometimes.

stalkervision
03-09-2008, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> 13. HE ammunition can sometimes destroy enemy tanks at short distances

what's wrong with that? you never heard of HEAT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


A Heat round isn't a infantry HE round... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT_round </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well he never said that. and what are we talking about "short distances". because HE was used to knock out tanks sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It might be possible I suppose depending on where it hit the tank exactly. For sure HE will take out a track and put a tank out of commission called a "mobility kill" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Tank_disabled_by_a_land_mine.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_kill

I use the "fire missions" PE allows to take out tanks this way..

stalkervision
03-11-2008, 05:14 AM
random shot..

Interior gunner position in a panzer IV. Gunners scope and viewport can be seen. 75mm cannon to the right of the scope.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8721/stst014nt7.jpg

little colored symbol there is called "the mouse tank"

It gives you all the info you need at one glance. Right now it shows that I am at the gunners station (lit in blue) There are four positions you can use, driver,radio operator/hull machine gun operator,loader and commander. I have four undamaged wingmen becaue they are all white lit. Also the orientation of the turret to the tank body and which way north is..

clicking on various spots with your mouse on the mouse tank is easier thern using the keyboard.

stalkervision
03-11-2008, 05:36 AM
always try to fire from the back slope of ridge line..

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7286/stst011gc0.jpg

Here I have arrianged my platoon to fire "hull down" from a ridge line. Not always an easy thing to do as some of your more inexperianced tank commanders always get too eager to fight and expose themselves to direct fire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

also sometimes there are no ridge lines to fire from..

stalkervision
03-11-2008, 05:40 AM
view out over the ridge line looking for t-34's.

Keeping your tank behind a ridge line only exposes the turret to fire and the turret of a tank is usually the most armored and protected part. It is also a smaller target..

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1600/stst012jk7.jpg

stalkervision
03-13-2008, 03:36 PM
one thing with panzer elite is you can drive any armored vehicle the germans produced in ww2.

I am driving the tank in the foreground. Do you know what it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4522/stst064bs2.jpg

It got a bad rap at the battle of kursk because the germans didn't use it properly.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
03-13-2008, 06:28 PM
Here is the beast... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz6.htm

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/elep_1.jpg

"On the first day of action, we successfully engaged bunkers, infantry, field and anti-tank artillery positions. For three hours our guns (Ferdinands) fought in the cavalcade of enemy fire and proved to be immune to enemy fire !. In the evening of the first day, first enemy tanks were destroyed, while others retreated. Crews of field and anti-tank guns run away after firing few uneffective shots against our guns (Ferdinands). In first engagements our regiment (656 sPanzerjager Regiment) destroyed numerous artillery positions, bunkers as well as 120 enemy tanks..." - Report from July 19th of 1943 by Platoon commander Boehm."

gizmo60
03-14-2008, 04:01 AM
Hi,
I just got Panzer Elite Action a couple of days ago which includes 'Fields of Glory' and 'Dunes of War'.

But I'm confused about the patches I should apply.
I tried 1.2 but this did not recognise the game.
I then tried 1.43.87 but then the game wouldn't start.

Straight out the box the game runs until the 3rd or 4th mission then freezes at exactly the same point every time. I've tried re-installing but the result is still the same.

I would greatly appreciate any help anyone is willing to offer.

Cheers

Irish_Rogues
03-14-2008, 06:16 AM
Steel Beasts Gold

You would be much better off posting here:

http://www.steelbeasts.com/

These guys would be in a much position to help.

gizmo60
03-14-2008, 06:39 AM
Sorry, it should be Panzer Elite Action, not Steel Beasts Gold.

Just got both games and had a brain spasm when posting, have edited now.

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by gizmo60:
Hi,
I just got Panzer Elite Action a couple of days ago which includes 'Fields of Glory' and 'Dunes of War'.

But I'm confused about the patches I should apply.
I tried 1.2 but this did not recognise the game.
I then tried 1.43.87 but then the game wouldn't start.

Straight out the box the game runs until the 3rd or 4th mission then freezes at exactly the same point every time. I've tried re-installing but the result is still the same.

I would greatly appreciate any help anyone is willing to offer.

Cheers

I have never had a problem with it straight out of the box. I personaly load the box version then patch it to 1,2 and then load the "ostpack" and other patches on top of that.

I am really no expert here. This is the forum you need to join to get help buddy..


http://pedg.yuku.com/directory

wait I just saw you have an entirely different addition from the older Panzer Elite SE version I am posting screenshots about don't you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Gizmo60 "I just got Panzer Elite Action a couple of days ago which includes 'Fields of Glory' and 'Dunes of War'." <<<<

No wonder patching it to 1.2 in PE/SE doesn't work! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This is the game I am talking about here..

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/634/5590634.jpg

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 09:36 AM
This is a newer entirely different version with the same name PE name that you bought isn't it?

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/904/5589904.jpg

They are totally different games,sorry..

gizmo60
03-14-2008, 11:15 AM
meh, ok thanks for the headsup http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jadger
03-14-2008, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
one thing with panzer elite is you can drive any armored vehicle the germans produced in ww2.

I am driving the tank in the foreground. Do you know what it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

image

It got a bad rap at the battle of kursk because the germans didn't use it properly.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Elefant or Ferdinant Tank destroyer, that was easy. There weren't a lot of them produced, and they never were very good I think. They were too heavy for their chassis and had major problems.

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
one thing with panzer elite is you can drive any armored vehicle the germans produced in ww2.

I am driving the tank in the foreground. Do you know what it is.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

image

It got a bad rap at the battle of kursk because the germans didn't use it properly.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Elefant or Ferdinant Tank destroyer, that was easy. There weren't a lot of them produced, and they never were very good I think. They were too heavy for their chassis and had major problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The main problem was their lack of a secondary machine gun to defend agains't Soviet hunter killer infrantry squads from attacking them up close. This was remedied later on but far to late. What you said about them is also true..

Read this...

"In October of 1943, 50 survivors were sent back to the factory for badly needed repairs and pre-planned modernization. Modernization consisted of the installation of a MG34 in the hull, improvement of armor protection, installation of wider tracks and installation of commander's cupola (developed from that of Stug III Ausf G), which provided improved visibility. Most of the Elephants were partially covered with Zimmerite, an anti-magnetic paste. Modernization was made in February and March of 1944 by Nibelungenwerke in Austria and modified Ferdinands were renamed Elephants. Officially Ferdinands were renamed Elephants in general order dated May 1st of 1944.

After modernization, 48 Elephants were grouped into schwere Heeres Panzerjager Abteilung 653 and part of it was transferred to Italy in late February of 1944. They arrived in Rome by train via Salzburg, Innsbruck, the Brenner Pass , Trento and Florence on February 24th of 1944. They saw combat at Nettuno, Anzio and Cisterna as early as March 1st of 1944. sPzJagAbt 654 was moved to France in late 1943 and rearmed with Jagdpanthers. In April of 1944, part of sPzJagAbt 653 was transferred back to the Eastern Front. In Autumn of 1944, all existing Elephants were grouped into newly created unit - schwere Heeres Panzerjager Kompanie 614, sPzJagAbt 653 was re-equipped with Jagdtigers. sPzJagAbt 614 with some 13-14 vehicles saw service on the Eastern Front as late as early 1945 and eventually all remaining (4?) Elephants saw final service with Kampfgruppe "Ritter" in area of Zossen (south of Berlin) in mid April of 1945. When employed defensively in Italy and Russia, Elephants proved to be formidable opponents. As of January 1st of 1945, there were still 4 Elephants in service of which some took part in the defence of Berlin as part of Kampfgruppe Ritter"

jadger
03-14-2008, 12:19 PM
ya, those are some pretty hefty upgrades, the tracks were too thin so it always got stuck because of the excessive weight of the superstructure. like the marder series it had a high profile as well. and there were other constant mechanical problems

I don't know how reputable the Achtung Panzer website u linked to is though. I used to have a book and it said the "Ferdinand" was named after an old HRE emperor like previous naming styles, not after Herr Porsche like the article suggests.

my fav is still the panther :P

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
ya, those are some pretty hefty upgrades, the tracks were too thin so it always got stuck because of the excessive weight of the superstructure. like the marder series it had a high profile as well. and there were other constant mechanical problems

I don't know how reputable the Achtung Panzer website u linked to is though. I used to have a book and it said the "Ferdinand" was named after an old HRE emperor like previous naming styles, not after Herr Porsche like the article suggests.

my fav is still the panther :P

Ya, the Panther is really the best tank isn't it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BobR1
03-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Unfortunately the Panzer Elite Action game is a later creation with the same name, unfortunately confusing everyone.

Panzer Elite was first released by Psygnosis in 1999.
Panzer Elite Special Edition, with an additional mod cd, was released in 2002 by JoWood. These two versions are the one that works with the mod.

I think Panzer Elite Action was sold in 2004, I never did try it out.

The Ostpak scenario Nikopol depicts the Ferdinand defense of the bridge head in winter.

They were still technically called Ferdinands in Anzio, even though they had the hull mg, cupola, and zimmerit.
I believe the Hornisse was renamed Rhinocerous at the same time in May 1944.

Most of the Elephants were lost due to technical problems as they withdrew through Galacia into Poland in July 1944.

I think the Elefant gets an unfair bad reputation because of its lack of a hull mg. The Jgdpz IV has no hull mg and no one quips about that model.

;-)

Btw Stalkervision, did you try PE3? It has improved Allied tanks graphics and trees, plus new railcars and buildings etc. Just enable it with the Mod enabler over your present set up.
It can be disenabled at any time, restoring your present version.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
03-14-2008, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
This is a newer entirely different version with the same name PE name that you bought isn't it?

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/904/5589904.jpg

They are totally different games,sorry..

Arent these souped up versions of the origional game that was knocked together for the xbox? The most noticable difference seems to be the 3D infantry.....Hmmm I have an xbox lol

panzereliteaction (http://www.panzereliteaction.com/portal.php)

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
This is a newer entirely different version with the same name PE name that you bought isn't it?

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/904/5589904.jpg

They are totally different games,sorry..

Arent these souped up versions of the origional game that was knocked together for the xbox? The most noticable difference seems to be the 3D infantry.....Hmmm I have an xbox lol

panzereliteaction (http://www.panzereliteaction.com/portal.php) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
03-14-2008, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by BobR1:
Unfortunately the Panzer Elite Action game is a later creation with the same name, unfortunately confusing everyone.

Panzer Elite was first released by Psygnosis in 1999.
Panzer Elite Special Edition, with an additional mod cd, was released in 2002 by JoWood. These two versions are the one that works with the mod.

I think Panzer Elite Action was sold in 2004, I never did try it out.

The Ostpak scenario Nikopol depicts the Ferdinand defense of the bridge head in winter.

They were still technically called Ferdinands in Anzio, even though they had the hull mg, cupola, and zimmerit.
I believe the Hornisse was renamed Rhinocerous at the same time in May 1944.

Most of the Elephants were lost due to technical problems as they withdrew through Galacia into Poland in July 1944.

I think the Elefant gets an unfair bad reputation because of its lack of a hull mg. The Jgdpz IV has no hull mg and no one quips about that model.

;-)

Btw Stalkervision, did you try PE3? It has improved Allied tanks graphics and trees, plus new railcars and buildings etc. Just enable it with the Mod enabler over your present set up.
It can be disenabled at any time, restoring your present version.

I believe I have once before but I will load it on BoBR1 and give it a try.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Brit44Aldo
03-14-2008, 11:32 PM
Panzer Elite was produced by WingsSimulations with Psygnosis as the publisher. Psygnosis was sold to Sony. WingsSimulations was sold to JoWooD. JoWooD bought Panzer Elite back from Sony. Panzer Elite Special Edition was released. WingsSimulations was closed after the relase of Soldner. The Panzer Elite name was given to Zootfly and they produced Panzer Elite Action (before WingsSimulations was closed). Modders of Panzer Elite stuck with there loyalty to the original game released in 1999.

The history has been a pain for all of us.

And please recognize that I had nothing to do with Ostpak. I worked with PEDG in the creation of Brit44. Myself and a few others have continued to develop the PE game engine as we learn computer programming.

BobR and I have an agreement to be cordial and help each other when we have time for the common hobby 'PE' that we share. Other then that, our interest in PE lies 'along differing lines'.

stalkervision
03-15-2008, 06:40 AM
well all I can say is I really appreciate both you guys effort at improving the game and all the others who have contributed to it also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Is the game buggy...yes but I still come back to it over and over again for all the good things the game has to offer which is even more then the original version had thanks to the great add-ons you guys have developed for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

woofiedog
03-15-2008, 07:12 AM
Well just ordered Panzer Elite Special Edition... hope it's the right one that works with the Ostpak & PEDG addons. Was checking out the two sites and was amazed at the amount work that has been done at these sites. Some of these addons look like a game by themself's.

One question about these two addons [Ostpak & PEDG]... can they be run together or do you need to set-up separate copy's of the game to run these?

stalkervision
03-15-2008, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
Well just ordered Panzer Elite Special Edition... hope it's the right one that works with the Ostpak & PEDG addons. Was checking out the two sites and was amazed at the amount work that has been done at these sites. Some of these addons look like a game by themself's.

One question about these two addons [Ostpak & PEDG]... can they be run together or do you need to set-up separate copy's of the game to run these?

Finally taking the plunge huh woofie? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif You had better ask the experts here about patch advice. I often screw the order of the downloads patches up and then get into all kinds of trouble.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

when I do I do a fresh install of PE and then the 1.2 patch. Then I reload the game improvement patches.

Now that i think of it I hope they are watching this thread to advize us both which downloads to run and in what order..

I'm a slow learner you know.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

what i do know is the game patches go into a "mods enabler " where you pick what mods to try at the time. The order that these mods should be enabled often screws me up though.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
03-15-2008, 09:10 AM
One thing I will say is first run the original game as is to get yourself aquainted with how the game runs and how to operate the tank and wingmen functions and then go for the patches when you know the basic game better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You will get more expericance in survival of your tank and crew that way before you jump into the bigger challanges the mods offer.

remember this unlike other tank sims PE is about "combined arms tactics" Not just your single particular tank.

Pick your crew and your wingmens crews carefully because they will depend on you and you them with your lives.

Use your artillary to soften up your opponents. Also especially use the land features in the game to all total advantage,

The little booklet that comes with the game is worth it's weight in gold about actual tank tactics.

Read it before you go into combat! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
03-15-2008, 09:45 AM
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4893/stst001lv6.jpg

Tigers and Panthers..

Remember to always look for infantry so you can "button up" before you are shot by them while looking for enemy tanks.

Looking for tanks and At guns is the most important thing and require you to be outside the tank 80% of the time with binoculars but when attacking a defended infantry position or under enemy artillary fire you had better close the hatch!

BobR1
03-15-2008, 09:55 AM
The Panzer Elite Special edition is the correct version.
First you install the game like any other, then download the latest Patch1.2 available on the PEDG site.

To add in a mod you need to click on the 'Mod enabler', a program that adds a mod to PE and then can remove it, using an Enable switch. This Mod enabler comes with the game and is activated using a shortcut icon. When you download a mod and unzip it, its title will appear in the left hand window together with all available mods previously installed. Any mod you enabled is displayed in the right hand window.

There are a few different mods available for PE, all them incompatable. Hence you use the Mod enabler to try one or the other.
The popular ones are:
1: Panzer pack 2- favoured by Multiplayers online
2. Monty vs Rommel - Desert 41-42
3. Torch - Tunisia 42-43
4. Brit 44 - Normandy British scenarios
5. Ostpak - east front expansion and basic PE mod

In Januray 2008 I put together a new PE zip called Panzer Elite Three. This mod combines Ostpak, MVR, and Brit 44 into one package.
This amalgamation was largely made possible by the work done by Aldo with the PE code and released as PE X, plus as much of the available AFV graphic improvements as possible.

Note the PE3 mod is in its Beta stage and may not meet the standards of demanding consumers. However, it can be disenabled with the Mod enabler if it does not work satisfactory for you.


Here is the PEDG forum link for further info:

http://pub37.ezboard.com/bpedg

woofiedog
03-15-2008, 01:00 PM
BobR1... Thank You for taking the time to post these instructions... the mod enabler looks like a great tool for this collection of mods.

Again Thank's

stalkervision... Plunge? I think you would make for a Great Car Salesman! LoL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
03-15-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
BobR1... Thank You for taking the time to post these instructions... the mod enabler looks like a great tool for this collection of mods.

Again Thank's

stalkervision... Plunge? I think you would make for a Great Car Salesman! LoL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right now I am trying PE with the patch 1.2 then the Ostpack mod and then add PE Three mod and it seems to be quite nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BoB is really the expert here so I am glad he checks on all us Newbie PE/er's here once and a while.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
03-15-2008, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
This is a newer entirely different version with the same name PE name that you bought isn't it?

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/904/5589904.jpg

They are totally different games,sorry..

Arent these souped up versions of the origional game that was knocked together for the xbox? The most noticable difference seems to be the 3D infantry.....Hmmm I have an xbox lol

panzereliteaction (http://www.panzereliteaction.com/portal.php) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup major arcade shooter that one looks like it might be fun when your drunk but by no means a tank sim.

I guess I will be ordering the PESE also it will make good bed fellows with Steel Beasts origional on my humble Laptop lol thanks for all the info guys.
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