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AMuppetMatt
02-24-2011, 02:20 PM
This is kind of a compilation of a number of things mentioned in other threads and my thoughts, I originally thought about putting this in the theories thread... but A) I couldn't find it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and B) It wasn't really going to be a theory, it's more of a compilation of my thoughts.

First off, I'm starting my third runthrough of ACB and I'm desperately looking out for some hints, ANY hints or suggestions as to what's occurring in modern day times or what will happen. And... things just aren't adding up. We break out of Abstergo on something like the 7th of September (Can't remember the exact date but it's deffo early September). We were in the hideout for 2 maybe 3 days max (even though Desmond only had one sleep, I'm assuming he worked 24 hours straight for at least one session, I'm trying to give as much time possible here) before the Templars find us. Allow for one, maybe two days on the road to get to Monteriggioni and you would expect the date to be something like the 12th to the 14th. If I remember right the date on the first Email is something like the 18th to the 19th. Remember I'm trying to be as generous with time as possible here, trying to make up for as much time as I can... and we're short a week (This WAS highlighted to me by another poster in a thread, well spotted sir http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). Unless the new DLC covers that week, we're missing a week in time. Where's it gone?

I noticed this on my second runthrough and again with the third and I'm not sure how much significance it holds: When you get out of the van in Monteriggioni there's a cutscene where you and "the gang" talk for a bit before wandering off to whatever the next bit is. At the end of this cutscene the camera holds over the animus for a bit... a little bit like in the movies where the camera holds over the badguy to say "This is the bad guy... look how suspicious the camera position is and makes this seemingly neutral character appear". There's been a lot of talk about an Inception style thing of it's just a dream or that you're viewing Desmond's memories in a future animus... I'm not rolling with that as it seems a little bit... contrived? Stupid? I dunno... but I think that the camera there suggests that maybe reality isn't entirely... reality.

In AC2 in the hideout the computers have an Absetergo symbol on them. Granted I read an explanation months back that you can attribute that to the memory core that Lucy gives Rebecca... so I looked out for it. Checked out the cutscene where Lucy gives Rebecca the core. Abstergo symbol is already there. Now granted that could be an oversight by the
Devs and I don't wanna jump to conclusions (mainly cause I don't have any http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) but if that isn't an oversight then that suggests... well I'm not 100% sure... maybe someone else can form an educated response http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Unless we're all in a dream right now..." final words to the ACB Database entry on Ezio at the very beginning of the game. This is further making me wonder about how much of ACB is real.

Brotherhood's ending was too... neat? 72 days until Satellite launch, 72 names of God, being able to find Juno's tomb so easily. It doesn't seem to fit with how the rest of AC has been. Nothing's that easy (other than the gameplay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), why is this pivotal moment so different?

The Red trail. [Forum discussion]( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/3271027009 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/3271027009) )
It's not there at the beginning of the game or the very end, it's just... there. There's no doubting it appears to be a double helix from above, and there's no doubt it appears to be footprints that appear/dissapear into the grating below the Villa. Who made them, how and why? Normally Eagle vision only shows what's there, not what's been. The only time a trail appears and remains there (other than the 5 metres we get behind a target in the animus) so far in our experience has been with blood. But no-one can bleed like that... can they? The only OTHER time we've seen red symbols that stay there in the form of cryptic shapes is in the animus and subject 16s glyphs. To me (coupled with a couple of other things I've highlighted above) this suggests that we're still IN the animus. But the moment I suggest this more questions than answers arise. This is why I didn't want to put it in the theories thread. I haven no theory, I don't think we are.

There are other bits that don't seem right too, but I can't remember them all. It all occurs in various conversations with Shaun, Rebecca and Lucy and I can't really explain it. Just replay through if you want and have an open mind.

Something doesn't feel right.

Gyro458
02-24-2011, 03:45 PM
I always did think the ending was suspicious. With the 72 days until sattelite stuff and 72 other 72 references....

rileypoole1234
02-24-2011, 03:46 PM
To be honest, I would have said this earlier but I just didn't want to sound stupid. I think ACB is really just a dream. You may think that is really stupid(*Spoiler coming up*) but when I first saw Desmond stab Lucy I said to myself "This can't be real" I honestly think its Desmonds dream in the the truck. I mean think about it, the ending was really the only important thing about it, the rest was pretty much just what Ezio did after AC2. I think its Desmond nightmare about Ezio and himself. I could go on for hours, but thats what I think.


Cheers mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

magesupermaster
02-24-2011, 04:00 PM
Something that is really suspicious; the fact that you can pause the game when you are controlling Desmond. A white, Animus 2.0 like background and menu come up.

Like many have brought this before, someone reliving the life of Desmond that relives that lives of his ancestors.

Like Inception(Although I haven't seen the movie, many brought it up as an example).

Rakudaton
02-24-2011, 04:38 PM
Whilst I think this is VERY unlikely (no offence), it does raise an interesting possibility:

THE BLEEDING EFFECT.

Rebecca mentioned a list of symptoms, including hallucinations. So I suppose it's possible that Brotherhood consists of Desmond alternately hallucinating modern day events and exploring his genetic memory without the need for an animus. At the end, the shock of killing Lucy might snap him out of the hallucination.

Just a thought, but I think it's very very unlikely to be right.

MetalX2010
02-24-2011, 04:55 PM
what AMuppetMatt said about the dates really got me thinking O_o
I hope this memory inside a memory theory is wrong, although it's very badass but because its predictible.. Im sure we're all gonna be disappointed when we see subject gazilion-teen jump out of the animus and go like "lol they srsly thought 2012 is the end of the world TIHII ^^"
arghh for some reason i feel like this actually IS the ending http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif thats it Im gonna forbid myself from overthinking this !

TwentyGlyphs
02-24-2011, 11:54 PM
A lot of these points have been bothering me as well. It seems like after AC2, the gang tried to find a hideout and were discovered again. This hideout could have been the cabin that Lucy mentioned during the credits of AC2. That could have been where Desmond got his new Assassin hoodie and his different hidden blade. When they were discovered and had to escape, the van was shot at. Then they made their way to Monterrigioni where ACB picks up, which would explain why Lucy says it's their last safe house in Italy. She never sounded like they were down to just one more hideout at the end of AC2.

About the whole Leave Animus option and the red trail, it's interesting that the only time you see the present-day artifacts or the red trail is when you voluntarily elect to leave the Animus from the menu. When you first arrive in Monterrigioni and when you finish Sequence 9 and leave the Animus, the red trail and artifacts are nowhere to be found. It seems odd that Rebecca would tell you that you could leave the Animus at any time and then they somehow trick you into thinking you've left when you're still in the machine, but who knows. I'm not sure the Animus could trick Desmond like that, but it is rather fishy.

TwentyGlyphs
02-25-2011, 12:08 AM
I also noticed that a lot of computers/servers in AC2's hideout and ACB's hideout have Abstergo logos on them. Rebecca said that Lucy got Animus blueprints to her, but it sure seems like she was able to get actual Abstergo equipment out as well. That seems even more fishy.

The other interesting puzzle piece is the emails on the Abstergo Industries website. They talk about missing Animus blueprints and that Warren Vidic assured someone that everything was in order. There's also several mentions of a lot of equipment without invoices or parts manifests showing up at Abstergo, and employees are questioning what's going on. Someone mentions Project Siren's codename and asks if that's planned for Subject 17. Is it possible that Desmond never even left Abstergo in the second game? Was all that equipment showing up at Abstergo without records the equipment that is running the Animus 2.0? I don't know what to think any more.

zabaranak
02-25-2011, 01:33 AM
i think we should all calm down. its just a game. however Amuppetmatts theory does seem quiet weird in a good way, what i think is we should just be open minded and hope the assassins win and templars eat dirt.

Rakudaton
02-25-2011, 06:48 AM
Someone mentions Project Siren's codename and asks if that's planned for Subject 17. Is it possible that Desmond never even left Abstergo in the second game?

Oh. My. God.

Project Siren? Are you sure?


A siren -- a mythical beautiful woman who sits on rocks and lures sailors to their deaths by singing to them.

Is Lucy... a siren?

This would explain why so much doesn't match up. I've heard theories about her being a triple agent and actually working for Abstergo all along. That would explain why Desmonds had to stab her; after all, Minerva said "the cross darkens the path", and we can assume that to be the templar cross.

If this is right, then... just what IS project siren for? Why did Lucy break him out of Abstergo? Why could they not continue as in AC1?


This traitor theory has been floating around for a while, but this 'siren' thing... it seems too big to be a coincidence. I wonder...

ChaosxNetwork
02-25-2011, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
Something that is really suspicious; the fact that you can pause the game when you are controlling Desmond. A white, Animus 2.0 like background and menu come up.

Like many have brought this before, someone reliving the life of Desmond that relives that lives of his ancestors.

Like Inception(Although I haven't seen the movie, many brought it up as an example).
personally I think that that is just because it is a game, if you see where I am coming form?

vorenus73
02-25-2011, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
Something that is really suspicious; the fact that you can pause the game when you are controlling Desmond. A white, Animus 2.0 like background and menu come up.

Like many have brought this before, someone reliving the life of Desmond that relives that lives of his ancestors.

Like Inception(Although I haven't seen the movie, many brought it up as an example).

Just finished the game last night. I also thought there might be an Inception "dream within a dream" or "animus memories within animus memories" component to it... a descendent of Desmond reliving the experiences of Desmond, which happen to be at this time Desmond reliving the experiences of Ezio.

Glad that some others think this too.

vorenus73
02-25-2011, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Rakudaton:
Whilst I think this is VERY unlikely (no offence), it does raise an interesting possibility:

THE BLEEDING EFFECT.

Rebecca mentioned a list of symptoms, including hallucinations. So I suppose it's possible that Brotherhood consists of Desmond alternately hallucinating modern day events and exploring his genetic memory without the need for an animus. At the end, the shock of killing Lucy might snap him out of the hallucination.

Just a thought, but I think it's very very unlikely to be right.

I had this thought too. "bleeding effect" is a nice cushion for Ubisoft... in the next game, they can pretty much say that anything they want was fake... and attribute it to the bleeding effect. Didn't really happen, just Desmond hallucinating. Hopefully they have something all worked out already but they might try to fall back on this.

AMuppetMatt
02-25-2011, 10:44 AM
Don't get me wrong... I think a dream within a dream scenario or animus within animus scenario is a bit... well lame, but I'm not convinced that real life is... real. (In game, obviously, I know I'm not an assassin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif ).

I';m also glad to hear a lot of people agree with me and that things don't seem to be adding up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Overlooking the ease that we escaped out of Abstergo's HQ in Italy (or Southern Europe we can assume) I can accept that all of AC1 and 2 happened and was real. But it's just something about the way events align and the atmosphere and camera angles in Brotherhood that make me suspect that there's something... MORE going on than what's being shown. It's like we've got these memories of what's happened but there are bits of it missing. Bits of time that shouldn't be skipped have been and events have aligned themselves perfectly. It's like a story book. Granted we can all accept that AC IS a story and that we are seeing Desmond's Story * , but it seems to neat, tidy and suspicious for my liking.

*Start the game again.
"My name is Desmond Miles, and this is my story". Is this suggesting that we're actually looking at past events? I know it's a handy way for Ubi to summise the story, but it seems extremely narrative. As if we ARE someone else whose viewing his memories, which explains why there are lapses in time?
I don't know... thinking aloud isn't always the most productive thing to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Obviously this could all be a Red Herring (or a Red Trail... sorry, vain attempt at humour. Unless that's what it represents and that ACB is just a red herring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) from Ubi... but still. I insist. Something isn't right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RzaRecta357
02-25-2011, 12:13 PM
He tells that story at the beginning of AC2 before he escapes so of course he was saying it like it was the past. He was explaining the first game.

I thought the way he started it off in the third game was kind of weird.

But I think this whole not actually being Desmond thing is stupid. It's a game, they don't expect people to be coming through actual days when your out.

Hell, everytime you get out you have ten minutes till sunrise. That means if you get out constantly, in YOUR game it was like weeks that they were in there.

There is nothing special going on there.

As for the cross thing.

Spoilers for The Fall.



The Cross darkens the path? Maybe Daniel knows everything that is happening so they have to be fast even though it'll be to late because he knows the future.

Im going with, Lucy knows NOTHING about this. She gets into abstergo. Even going as far as to almost letting herself be killed only to be saved by Warren. Warren, whom was told by Daniel that Lucy was an Assassin.

Warren uses this and somehow finds a way to track and follow her. Knowing everything the assassins are doing. Knowing where the apple is.

Maybe messing with that Abstergo memory core so that if messes with Desmond some how.

Who knows.

Just don't forget or rule out Daniel as he is said to have a heavy impact on the game apart from what we already know he did.

rocketxsurgeon
02-25-2011, 01:00 PM
I don't believe that Lucy is bad, but i believe she is the key to solving all of it. Its too simple for Lucy to be a templar, there must be a twist to things.

I don't really have a theory, but with all things in AC, nothing is as it seems. Nothing is literal at all.

There are a huge amount of loose ends here, as to how they're going to be answered, i'm unsure.

I enjoyed reading the OPs conclusions, gives me a different way to think of things.

AMuppetMatt
02-26-2011, 12:05 PM
Cheers Rocket http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

don't get me wrong, I know a number of my points are either too cryptic, confusing or rediculous to be the case, and I DON'T think we're someone other than Desmond, but like I say we're missing a massive piece of info to make sense of what's happened, and I'm not just talking about what happened to Lucy.

If anyone can find out what's happened to the week we're missing in time then by all means share... that's going to be my biggest gripe until it's explained http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Black_Widow9
02-26-2011, 01:27 PM
I'm going to move this here-
Assassin's Creed Hints & Tips (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/9011039408)