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rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 12:59 PM
The red trail has confused quite a few of us, so i've made this thread to justify it's use in the story or predictions in the next Assassins Creed. I've posted some pictures below that support my opinions, but i would like to hear everyone else's opinion.
Now lets battle at some existing theories.

~The trail is of Ezio going back to the villa when he was older.
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">The trail isn't there when the team arrive, meaning it can't of been Ezio, it's a new trail. </span>

~The trail is by Lucy.
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Upon arriving at the villa, Lucy walks via that route, there are only one set of 'foot prints', they appear at the beginning of sequence two, when Lucy is in the sanctuary. Lucy also glows blue. </span>

~The trail is to help you find your way back to the sanctuary.
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">The trail isn't there when you first have to venture out to find the fuse boxes. </span>

Here are some screenshots i've taken, forgive the quality, i haven't got a dazzle or anything.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0022.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0023.jpg

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">^^</span> These first two were taken when you had to find an alternate route to the sanctuary (by following Ezio). The red path is clearly not there.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">^^</span>

The one below was taken when you have to look for the fuse boxes.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0024.jpg

The next one was taken after exiting the animus in Sequence 2 Its a clear double helix shape, i don't think the footprints are of importance, just the shape of the red trail. DNA?

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0025.jpg

The start of the trail. (Note the trail doesn't enter the sanctuary).

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0026.jpg

The end of the trail by the drain.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0029.jpg

From the top of the villa.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/xoxpinkpearlsxox/IMG_0030-1.jpg

So looking at when the trail appears, it can't be Ezio or Lucy. It can't be a way back to the villa either.
I'm still playing through to get more screenshots nearing the end of the game, because they apparently disappear in later sequence, but i'm unable to check that at the moment. (You can't exit the animus after completing the game).

So if anyone could post screenshots or confirm this, i would be grateful (:

For now, i'd like to hear peoples predictions/oppinions.

~RxS

Redfeather1975
12-27-2010, 01:10 PM
Ohhhhh. It does look like the shape of a DNA strand.
I never noticed that before. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 01:15 PM
Thought it was just to stimulate you into going to the area where you locate the 5 secret treasures.
It basically took me right to Mario's sword.

MagicoDc
12-27-2010, 01:15 PM
It's obviously someone else, and because of that there are now a lot of other speculations:
Subject 16?
Maybe Lucy or the rest of the group was meeting with someone else (a Templar) to give info etc. so what you see are the steps of someone going to a meeting point OUTSIDE the sanctuary to not raise awareness?
A DNA strand which suggests nothing, can't think of anything..

magesupermaster
12-27-2010, 01:21 PM
It does look like a DNA strand, but it doesn't look like mere footsteps.

I wonder why it ends by the drain.
Maybe a hint to how a gene pool 'drains away' and is replaced by other genes?
(I know it's not the best or accurate explanation of how the process works)

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Redfeather1975:
Ohhhhh. It does look like the shape of a DNA strand.
I never noticed that before. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Yup, it can only be seen from an above view, the picture i posted is quite clear (:

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by MagicoDc:
It's obviously someone else, and because of that there are now a lot of other speculations:
Subject 16?
Maybe Lucy or the rest of the group was meeting with someone else (a Templar) to give info etc. so what you see are the steps of someone going to a meeting point OUTSIDE the sanctuary to not raise awareness?
A DNA strand which suggests nothing, can't think of anything..

I thought it could be 16, as that's what desmond and 16 have in common, their genetic ancestors. I also thought that perhaps someone could be messing with Desmond's mind, trying to frame Lucy, or make him doubt.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
It does look like a DNA strand, but it doesn't look like mere footsteps.

I wonder why it ends by the drain.
Maybe a hint to how a gene pool 'drains away' and is replaced by other genes?
(I know it's not the best or accurate explanation of how the process works)

I've tried walking in the red glow, but the footsteps don't show up.

Gene pool, i like it. Maybe it's a sign of things changing. Either way its not anyone from the sanctuary. Its the fact that its a double helix, it illustrates its importance.

notafanboy
12-27-2010, 01:38 PM
why triple post ?
oh... and about the foot steps, i have no ideá why they are there ...

Millhouse3rd
12-27-2010, 01:41 PM
Well, I'll be damned, they are indeed the shape of the double helix.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by notafanboy:
why triple post ?
oh... and about the foot steps, i have no ideá why they are there ...

Because i don't want to be quoting everyone in a single post. I have 3 people to reply to, i'm not going to quote three times.

Thanks for your contribution. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

notafanboy
12-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by notafanboy:
why triple post ?
oh... and about the foot steps, i have no ideá why they are there ...

Because i don't want to be quoting everyone in a single post. I have 3 people to reply to, i'm not going to quote three times.

<span class="ev_code_RED">thanks for your contribution </span>. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i smell sarcasm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Inorganic9_2
12-27-2010, 01:52 PM
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

I know what you mean, we still don't know why she disappeared, but i don't think Lucy is a templar.

Maybe she's holding back information with good intentions.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by notafanboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by notafanboy:
why triple post ?
oh... and about the foot steps, i have no ideá why they are there ...

Because i don't want to be quoting everyone in a single post. I have 3 people to reply to, i'm not going to quote three times.

<span class="ev_code_RED">thanks for your contribution </span>. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i smell sarcasm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if you don't have anything to contribute to the theme of the thread, why bother posting?

Ok, what do you think about the red trail then?

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:02 PM
Oh noes she posted three times, about three different other replies what is the world coming to?
But yeah shut up there is nothing remotely wrong with what she did how pathetic are you?
But I think the red trail is either nothing or a fairly big part of the next game, what I do not know.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
Oh noes she posted three times, about three different other replies what is the world coming to?
But yeah shut up there is nothing remotely wrong with what she did how pathetic are you?
But I think the red trail is either nothing or a fairly big part of the next game, what I do not know.

Thanks Chaos.
And i'm in agreement. I was considering whether to post this thread or not. Its such a small thing in the game, but it appears at select times. The fact that it's in a shape of DNA hints at 16, but I couldn't say for sure.

notafanboy
12-27-2010, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
Oh noes she posted three times, about three different other replies what is the world coming to?
But yeah shut up there is nothing remotely wrong with what she did how pathetic are you?
But I think the red trail is either nothing or a fairly big part of the next game, what I do not know. you... need to chill out. And there is no need to call me pathetic for that.

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:18 PM
I am very calm actually thanks for your concern but yeah your the one being cocky and arrogant to a friend of mine so there is reason to call you that.
I am very similer in thought that you are, and what gets me is that ACI had the Glyphs at the end written by 16, that people thought would lead to China and Aztec ect but they came into play in ACII. So maybe the same thing will happen again and they will come into effect in the next AC.

notafanboy
12-27-2010, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
I am very calm actually thanks for your concern but yeah your the one being cocky and arrogant to a friend of mine so there is reason to call you that.
you don´t seem calm ...

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Well it is hard to tell emotion across text, so will this make things better for yourself." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif "

Inorganic9_2
12-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

I know what you mean, we still don't know why she disappeared, but i don't think Lucy is a templar.

Maybe she's holding back information with good intentions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To be honest, that sounds more correct. Am I the only one who thinks Lucy is a bit of a stress-head? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif always stressing about Desmond and other stuff, whereas Shaun and Rebecca just get on with it!

Anyone heard about the theoyr that the trail leads to a trapped chamber beneath Monteriggioni (and the drain is the entrance).

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by notafanboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
I am very calm actually thanks for your concern but yeah your the one being cocky and arrogant to a friend of mine so there is reason to call you that.
you don´t seem calm ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you haven't got anything constructive to add to the thread, please refrain from posting.

I don't want the thread to be locked, i've worked hard to acquire the screen shots, and want to hear people's opinions.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

I know what you mean, we still don't know why she disappeared, but i don't think Lucy is a templar.

Maybe she's holding back information with good intentions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To be honest, that sounds more correct. Am I the only one who thinks Lucy is a bit of a stress-head? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif always stressing about Desmond and other stuff, whereas Shaun and Rebecca just get on with it!

Anyone heard about the theoyr that the trail leads to a trapped chamber beneath Monteriggioni (and the drain is the entrance). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you hinting at the shroud?
xD

If not, please expand.

notafanboy
12-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
Well it is hard to tell emotion across text, so will this make things better for yourself." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif "
this is me right now "http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif" .
but go on ... don´t let me disturb

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:26 PM
A hidden chamber, very interesting, it ties in with Ezio returning to the villa.
My goodness so many possibilities!

Inorganic9_2
12-27-2010, 02:27 PM
Well, I know the Shroud was there. Maybe there's something still there ot be found? Maybe someone from inside the Sanctuary has been investigating it for nefarious ends? (hence the redness). Who knows? It seems weird that it stops at the drain and there's that story about odd things underneath the villa.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
Well, I know the Shroud was there. Maybe there's something still there ot be found? Maybe someone from inside the Sanctuary has been investigating it for nefarious ends? (hence the redness). Who knows? It seems weird that it stops at the drain and there's that story about odd things underneath the villa.

I heard that the shroud was there. I thought the drain provided a route to enter the town and exit (a spy)?

But i like your idea better, what story is that?

Sorry i'm just really intrigued. xD

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
A hidden chamber, very interesting, it ties in with Ezio returning to the villa.
My goodness so many possibilities!

ooo indeed, maybe the apple wasn't the only PoE Ezio hid away.

Your on my PSN friends list right?

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:33 PM
Ezio re creates a whole order of Master Assassin's, maybe they went across the world and found other pieces? The shroud, another apple a sword? And hid them in certain areas, Temples?
Ah I love to speculate!
And no I am Xbox

SquarePolo27
12-27-2010, 02:33 PM
Those footprints look crazy! Something that an insane person has made. *Cough*

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Inorganic9_2
12-27-2010, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
Well, I know the Shroud was there. Maybe there's something still there ot be found? Maybe someone from inside the Sanctuary has been investigating it for nefarious ends? (hence the redness). Who knows? It seems weird that it stops at the drain and there's that story about odd things underneath the villa.

I heard that the shroud was there. I thought the drain provided a route to enter the town and exit (a spy)?

But i like your idea better, what story is that?

Sorry i'm just really intrigued. xD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That could be an idea too!

The Shroud story is in Project Legacy I think. Mario found out about the chamber beneath the villa and entered with his men. They found the shroud down there and Mario's men turned on him to take the Shroud for themselves. Apparently, later, he got Giovanni to hide it away.

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 02:36 PM
I never got far on Project Legacy, shame it was good but I ran out of time and then Brotherhood came out and I forgot about the fact the two games work in conjunction with each other, else I would have got back on it and got as much information as I could from it and speculated even more! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Sticker704:
Those footprints look crazy! Something that an insane person has made. *Cough*

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If i didn't know any better, it looks like the person who made the trail has gone to a lot of effort to walk in a double helix pattern.

Who'd have the mindset to do that? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
Ezio re creates a whole order of Master Assassin's, maybe they went across the world and found other pieces? The shroud, another apple a sword? And hid them in certain areas, Temples?
Ah I love to speculate!
And no I am Xbox

i like that idea (:

And awww ok lol

Inorganic9_2
12-27-2010, 02:38 PM
Someone like Shaun? Someone like him. Not necessarily him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. It just seems like something someone with his mindset would do in order to code something.

Maybe it was him returning from town after his 'few drinks'?

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 02:45 PM
Perhaps it's code for Desmonf to see??? That was what first popped into my head.

OOOOOHHHHHH! I GOT ONE! ALTAIRS CRYPT! THAT SUDDENLY SPOKE INTO MY HEAD.

Yeah, so what happened if that was actually Altair's crypt and the DNA footprints aren't actually there but Desmond is imagining it, perhaps Altair's mind is screaming in Desmond's mind, "DUDE PAY YOUR RESPECTS!"

EDIT: You're probably wondering what importance this is. Well, if Altair found something in the Apple, as in implied in AC2, he migh've sought it out and put it there, maybe all the PoE's. O.O Or maybe just the Sword...

<span class="ev_code_RED">Please do not bypass the Language Filter or post in all CAPS.</span>

DarthEzio55
12-27-2010, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by assassinato_862:
Perhaps it's code for Desmonf to see??? That was what first popped into my head.

OOOOOHHHHHH! I GOT ONE! ALTAIRS CRYPT! THAT SUDDENLY SPOKE INTO MY HEAD.

Yeah, so what happened if that was actually Altair's crypt and the DNA footprints aren't actually there but Desmond is imagining it, perhaps Altair's mind is screaming in Desmond's mind, "DUDE PAY YOUR RESPECTS!"

EDIT: You're probably wondering what importance this is. Well, if Altair found something in the Apple, as in implied in AC2, he migh've sought it out and put it there, maybe all the PoE's. O.O Or maybe just the Sword...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif well done

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by DarthEzio55:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by assassinato_862:
Perhaps it's code for Desmonf to see??? That was what first popped into my head.

OOOOOHHHHHH! I GOT ONE! ALTAIRS CRYPT! THAT SUDDENLY SPOKE INTO MY HEAD.

Yeah, so what happened if that was actually Altair's crypt and the DNA footprints aren't actually there but Desmond is imagining it, perhaps Altair's mind is screaming in Desmond's mind, "DUDE PAY YOUR RESPECTS!"

EDIT: You're probably wondering what importance this is. Well, if Altair found something in the Apple, as in implied in AC2, he migh've sought it out and put it there, maybe all the PoE's. O.O Or maybe just the Sword...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif well done </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Thank you.

Lefti21
12-28-2010, 12:29 PM
i sat looking at the trails for hours thinking what it might be then i remembered at the mission that the villa was attacked ezio gets shot i believe he was bleeding and ezio's dna has stayed there , i dont know if thats true but thats what i think it is

EDIT: when i finished the truth challenge subject 16 says somthing find me in the darkness or smthing , in the end of the trails under the assassins symbol is a very dark place maybe its the blood of subject 16 but im not so sure about this because i dont think subject 16 died in monteriggioni.

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Lefti21:
i sat looking at the trails for hours thinking what it might be then i remembered at the mission that the villa was attacked ezio gets shot i believe he was bleeding and ezio's dna has stayed there , i dont know if thats true but thats what i think it is

EDIT: when i finished the truth challenge subject 16 says somthing find me in the darkness or smthing , in the end of the trails under the assassins symbol is a very dark place maybe its the blood of subject 16 but im not so sure about this because i dont think subject 16 died in monteriggioni.
No when you play as Ezio, you never go over to the well in such a precision manner like the trail shows.
I believe that the "Find me in the Darkness" is referring to "hidden" areas of the animus coding, just like the Glyphs and the Rifts. Possibly telling Desmond that there are more of them about in his ancestors memories (So more for ACIII)
This of course is purely my personal speculation.

chizzy12
12-28-2010, 02:09 PM
i think this may be brought up in a DLC. The footsteps kinda look like step formations in a sword fight...

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 02:46 PM
It can't be Ezio, as the trail isn't there when the team arrives.

AssassinVenice
12-29-2010, 11:10 AM
That's Ezio's blood.
Proof: when the villa is attacked he follows the exact same way to get inside so that's obvious.

rocketxsurgeon
12-29-2010, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by AssassinFirenze:
That's Ezio's blood.
Proof: when the villa is attacked he follows the exact same way to get inside so that's obvious.

If you look at my screenshots, you can see the trail isn't there when the team arrive. Meaning a new trail, it can't be a trail from the past. If that was the case, we would see it when the team arrive. But it appears when you leave the animus in sequence two.

AssassinVenice
12-29-2010, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AssassinFirenze:
That's Ezio's blood.
Proof: when the villa is attacked he follows the exact same way to get inside so that's obvious.

If you look at my screenshots, you can see the trail isn't there when the team arrive. Meaning a new trail, it can't be a trail from the past. If that was the case, we would see it when the team arrive. But it appears when you leave the animus in sequence two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe a glitch but who knows and one more thing when Desmond sees Ezio as a ghost in the Sancuary maybe thats related.

Inorganic9_2
12-29-2010, 11:20 AM
Plus:

I'm pretty sure Ezio didn't bleed that much

It doesn't rain in Monteriggioni then?

the boot prints have 21st century tread on them (I think. I seem to rememebr this from somewhere)

rocketxsurgeon
12-29-2010, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by AssassinFirenze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AssassinFirenze:
That's Ezio's blood.
Proof: when the villa is attacked he follows the exact same way to get inside so that's obvious.

If you look at my screenshots, you can see the trail isn't there when the team arrive. Meaning a new trail, it can't be a trail from the past. If that was the case, we would see it when the team arrive. But it appears when you leave the animus in sequence two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe a glitch but who knows and one more thing when Desmond sees Ezio as a ghost in the Sancuary maybe thats related. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It could be, but if its a trail of blood it would still be there for Desmond to see.

I thought that perhaps the bleeding affect may have been heightened so he's more aware.

Or maybe the developers left it out, as the fuse mission is the only compulsory mission outside the sanctuary and they didn't want it to be a distraction?

The thing is, it wasn't there at the beginning so i think it's someone else, but i can't say for sure. Its been deliberately put there, but its not compulsory to see. Hmmm

I'm just very curious.

@Inorg. I don't think the footprints are whats being highlighted. The way i see it, the footprints have just been glossed over by the red glow.

AetosEagle
12-29-2010, 07:58 PM
I originally thought they were Ezio's but now...

I think they're Subject 16's. I think there may be a clue of some sorts to the Shroud beneath the fountain where the trail stops. Maybe the reason Ezio returned at such a old age was to search for the Shroud after learning of Christina's death? Who knows. The next game hopefully will answer many questions.

Neo_Age
12-29-2010, 09:38 PM
I think its rather straight forward actually, its footprints from templars.

Heres why (note spoilers)

1. Rebecca mentions a big white van just big enough for servelliance in town but later disapears.

2. Subject 16's warnings about "she". Given his past that we know its fairly obvious he isnt talking about Rebecca, but rather Lucy.

3. (admittedly this one is a bit of a stretch) Lucy's emails with a man named William and templar files refering to a man that goes by just W.

4. What happens to Desmond at the end of the game. If you sit through that 5 minute long credit roll you'll hear voices that ARNT Rebecca and Shaun saying they have to put him back in the Animus because he's in shock. Whats more once your back in you cant get back out (either due to being in shock or being restrained).

5. The most obvious I think - The footprints are RED which has been reserved for HOSTILE targets.

I think given these clues that its safe to say someone in the group is either an out and out templar or at least a turn coat and was leading the templars to the POE. My money is personally on Lucy.

Avl521
12-29-2010, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Neo_Age:
I think its rather straight forward actually, its footprints from templars.

Heres why (note spoilers)

1. Rebecca mentions a big white van just big enough for servelliance in town but later disapears.

2. Subject 16's warnings about "she". Given his past that we know its fairly obvious he isnt talking about Rebecca, but rather Lucy.

3. (admittedly this one is a bit of a stretch) Lucy's emails with a man named William and templar files refering to a man that goes by just W.

4. What happens to Desmond at the end of the game. If you sit through that 5 minute long credit roll you'll hear voices that ARNT Rebecca and Shaun saying they have to put him back in the Animus because he's in shock. Whats more once your back in you cant get back out (either due to being in shock or being restrained).

5. The most obvious I think - The footprints are RED which has been reserved for HOSTILE targets.

I think given these clues that its safe to say someone in the group is either an out and out templar or at least a turn coat and was leading the templars to the POE. My money is personally on Lucy.

Everyone is kinda doubting Lucy due to the red trail and her fate at the end of ACB.
But we just don't know enough yet to explain or confirm that.

1. Yes she mentioned it, you're right on that.

2. Subject 16 knows about TWCB too. He could be referring to Lucy, or Minerva, or Juno or possibly a future female character. We can't be sure just yet.

3. It's true there are templar files that mention people by the first letter of their names, but W. doesn't have to be the same William M. also, isn't it a bit odd to you... that M. William... Miles? a bit of a stretch too, but still possible.
And you have to remember templars all reference themselves in letters with the first letter, this can be seen in the truth and the rifts left by Subject 16. When you read Shaun's e-mails, he signs them with an S. That's another stretch too huh?

4. Most likely the reason Desmond can't get out is because he's in shock and whoever has him in the animus has decided it's not time to wake him up, just like how you can't exit the animus in ACII and they tell you you can replay events and do more stuff while they get to Monteriggioni.
Also you have to consider that in the e-mails sent to shaun, William M. seems to either "inform" or "chat" with shaun about the Assassin teams in different parts of the world, William M. was the one who asked shaun to inform Lucy, Desmond and Rebecca of the status of these teams.
This proves William M. is an assassin so as I've said numerous times before:
I THINK the voices heard at the end are William M. and Erudito.
Erudito being the one that gives Desmond the passwords to the other's mail accounts and the one that hacks into Abstergo's Network in Project Legacy.

5. Red has been used to highlight enemies, targets are shown in gold.
Other than that, going by your logic that because the trail is red, it's an enemy, then the fact that when Desmond used Eagle Vision in ACI and saw Subject 16 Blood painting in RED means Subject 16 is an enemy too.
Which I don't think possible.
The 2 options are:
Either you're right and there's a traitor.
Or it's something else, maybe a trail of blood.
You have more chances to be right though on the traitor theory since it's a recent trail, not seen at first but available after a certain time into the game.

Redfeather1975
12-29-2010, 10:08 PM
Maybe the red trail was caused by two scary ghosts ballroom dancing down the villa's path.
Or... the cow from the movie Top Secret.

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/gU5YlcF3kv0/0.jpg

Anyhoo, I have a feeling we won't find out the path's significance anytime soon. Its probably some obscure expression meant to pique interest, and once explained thoroughly disappoints anyway.

Inorganic9_2
12-30-2010, 06:12 AM
I bet, when we find out what the trail is, we'll see that the clues have been obvious and staring us in the face the entire time.

AMuppetMatt
12-30-2010, 06:24 AM
When you're running over the trail, it might be worth a note that it glows further along in the direction of the Villa. While I didn't realise the footsteps also looked like a double helix, I did know they were footsteps, and my initial reaction was that it was someone or something coming OUT of the drain towards the Villa because of the way it glowed more in the direction towards the Villa instead of Monteriggioni. At least that was the initial thought...

germanosz
12-30-2010, 12:26 PM
If we look at the red trail, we can clearly see it's composed of footprints... that go back and forth, as if someone was walking back and forth, again and again. Now, why would anyone do that?
First possibility: he's searching for something.
Second possibility: he's thinking... (Certainly not, for obvious reasons)

If he's actually searching for something, then who is he actually, and what is he searching for?
Remember Rebecca talking about cellular surveillance?
Well, it’s probably an Abstergo agent who got some sort of [*beep! Intruder!*] alarm. It can't be someone from the past (thread author made a nice demonstration of that; so it’s not Ezio or any past assassin, and that random person came AFTER the group installed himself in the sanctuary), and it's definitely not an assassin traitor (Lucy, Rebecca or Shaun) since all three are shown as allies before AND after the creation of the red trail. It can’t be them, unless… one of them has changed his allegiance meanwhile, then came back to the Assassin order.

In this case, it might be Lucy. Let’s just say she’s slightly lost, or perhaps she has to do what Vidic is telling her to do (not via emails, ofc, but he could contact her on her cellphone while she’s outside shopping), being threatened by him. This would be her mental state:
[1] Assassin -> (scared) does something for Vidic/Templars, turning to an [2]enemy for some time -> (she thinks that Vidic was lying, or whatever) [3]Assassin -> (Vidic gives her proves he is able to do what he said he will do) [3.1] Templar again {OR} (she doesn’t want to compromise the brotherhood) [3.2] She runs away, obeying to the creed, in an attempt to keep the brotherhood secure.
There only is one small thing that is disturbing me: why does the trail begin –and end- from the drain? It can’t be Lucy while you’re searching in a path, and I don’t think she got contacted by Vidic while she was underground (no signal!). Ofc, Vidic could have used another communication mean, such as a Templar messenger. We should not forget that Abstergo might have a PoE. You can teleport using a PoE…

Another explanation: blood. Just like that message on the wall at Abstergo’s. But why would an ally print these footprints with blood? (he can’t be neutral, no one neutral would do that). I therefor think that an enemy came, printed them to play around with Demond’s mind, and went away (so far, no enemy ever left glowing footprints, either in the animus or outside it, so it could be possible).

Or it could be be an easter egg, implement by Ubi that predicted it would keep these forums busy for several months.

BTW, what’s a shroud?

rocketxsurgeon
12-30-2010, 12:33 PM
Guy's i'm gonna stop you on this van theory, the red trail shows up before the van is mentioned.

The shroud can bring people to life. Its the 66th piece of Eden, and used to be kept under the villa, until it was moved. It's whereabouts is unknown, but one could take an educational guess that it's under the Notre Dame, being held in the vault of Jupiter.

It is perhaps one of the most powerful PoE, but its power is uncertain. When people are brought back, the shroud speaks to them, often giving them doubt and uncertainty to those dearest to them. Think of it as a price to pay to be brought back to life.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shroud

colan33
12-30-2010, 12:33 PM
Lucy can`t be dead!

persiateddy95
12-30-2010, 12:36 PM
Its the 66th piece of Eden
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I didn't know there were that many.

rocketxsurgeon
12-30-2010, 12:37 PM
Being responsible for Jesus' crucifixion, the Templars sought to possess The Shroud. Jesus' disciples however, were somehow able to recover it and used it to resurrect him. After this, traces of The Shroud disappeared. The Shroud eventually ended up hidden underneath Monteriggioni, most likely by Mario's great-grandfather when he built the Villa Auditore, as hinted in Project Legacy. The location of The Shroud was discovered by the Templars, at some point, seeing as the siege of Monteriggioni was to gain access to The Shroud. Mario successfully repelled the attack, and through a confession of Luziano Pezatti, Mario learned that the siege was to gain access to something under Monteriggioni. When Mario and a team of soldiers excavated the well, they found a hidden chamber filled with traps. As they crossed the chamber, they suffered many casualties, and a trap even scarred Mario's eye. Eventually, Mario discovered The Shroud, but was attacked by his men because they wanted The Shroud for its healing capabilities. Scared of The Shroud's power, Mario sends for Giovanni Auditore to take it away. It is unknown what Giovanni Auditore did with The Shroud, but it eventually ended up in the hands of the Assassins in Agnadello.

AMuppetMatt
12-30-2010, 12:38 PM
The footprints head from the drain into the main building/sanctuary or vice-versa. Just a thought, but what was the point of the Emails with the schedule? Did the change anything as to what happened when you exited the animus? What if someone who was meant to be on duty while Desmond was in the animus left to go somewhere in Monteriggioni and left Desmond unattended... and that's when a Templar agent came in and tampered with the animus?

It would explain the ending as well, it's not real it's all part of something with the animus. That could be a way around it? I don't suppose anyone has superhuman memory and can remember what everyone was doing at what date? I remember Rebecca talking about getting food, maybe Shaun and Lucy were off somewhere and Rebecca went into the town to get food and that's when the agent came in?

I don't know, I like clutching at straws and this is more of a desperate snatch than a calculated grasp... but it might be worth a look at the Emails and dates to see if it matches up... it could be that at some point Desmond was alone in the animus.

rocketxsurgeon
12-30-2010, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Its the 66th piece of Eden
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I didn't know there were that many. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, theres around 60, but whether it is really the 66th piece, is uncertain. The English version speaks of it being the 66th piece, however in the french version it says its 36th.

Inorganic9_2
12-30-2010, 12:49 PM
all three are shown as allies before AND after the creation of the red trail. It can’t be them, unless… one of them has changed his allegiance meanwhile, then came back to the Assassin order.

You really think they'd be so obvious as to show us an ally in red? The perception of the viewer is a key factor. I'm sure, in Desmond's eyes, Lucy can do no wrong.

germanosz
12-30-2010, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">all three are shown as allies before AND after the creation of the red trail. It can’t be them, unless… one of them has changed his allegiance meanwhile, then came back to the Assassin order.

You really think they'd be so obvious as to show us an ally in red? The perception of the viewer is a key factor. I'm sure, in Desmond's eyes, Lucy can do no wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't think about that, but it is very likely, Eagle Vision not being an objective skill.

Avl521
12-30-2010, 01:09 PM
It may be objective and all knowing, but Desmond may not be able to fully use/understand it and may be somehow "corrupting" eagle vision with his judgements.

Only reason I say this is because of what Juno says to Desmond.

THE-GRIZZLEY
12-30-2010, 01:20 PM
OR

Ubisoft put it in just to make us paranoid about every little symbol we find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Avl521
12-30-2010, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
OR

Ubisoft put it in just to make us paranoid about every little symbol we find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

This IS indeed true... look at how many symbols, cliffhangers and mysteries Eagle Vision has lead us to... everywhere from Blood Painting, Puzzles, Glyphs, Rifts, Trails, All the Subject 16 related mysteries because of Eagle Vision.

rocketxsurgeon
12-30-2010, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
OR

Ubisoft put it in just to make us paranoid about every little symbol we find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

This IS indeed true... look at how many symbols, cliffhangers and mysteries Eagle Vision has lead us to... everywhere from Blood Painting, Puzzles, Glyphs, Rifts, Trails, All the Subject 16 related mysteries because of Eagle Vision. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even inception theories xD

HikaruFire
12-30-2010, 07:27 PM
I think is worth mentioning that the person talking to lucy i think it was willian M said she send him a voice mail but dint rebecca said the templar could track them via phone so maybe the trial,white van and voice mail are all conected just tough i bring that up sorry for my bad english by the way.

assassinato_862
12-31-2010, 10:03 AM
Lemme get this straight, so Mario sometime in the past found the shroud under Monteg--Monterig...well the little town he lives in. He sends it to Giovanni and HE sends it to another group of Assassin's? What is the signaficanse of Montegirrioni...or however you spell it. What is REALLY down there? Altair's Crypt? (as stated earlier inmy other post,) or perhaps something more sinister....perhaps....another Vault? No, that would've shown up in the PoE map. But SOMETHING'S down there, the best I can guess is Altair's Crypt,or perhaps Altair is STILL looking for all the Pieces of Eden, as he looked into the Apple one more time and perhaps gianed the secret to immortality.

Another interesting theory is that Altair IS Desmond and Ezio, though it is far fetched, they do all look the same. And this is Assassin's Creed's version of immortality, or I guess it is more reincarnation theory then and Alty forgot his past life. I don't know about that theory, but I just thought about it excessively yesterday.

AMuppetMatt
12-31-2010, 10:07 AM
Can't be the same as Ezio's aged to 40, so unless it makes the body younger and also makes the mind forget past lives... that's not immortality, that just makes you live forever. There's a difference, you lose your individuality with that... if that IS the case then it's the worst immortality ever.

I think it's also worth noting that I started my second run through of the game today and noticed that Ezio returns to Monteriggioni when he's much older... the reason why we are yet to discover... fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Inorganic9_2
12-31-2010, 12:29 PM
Reasons Altaïr is dead:
Juno specifically states that TWCB never found a way to live forever

Reasons Altaïr is not Ezio:
They look different
You see Ezio being born.


I rest my case.

ChaosxNetwork
01-03-2011, 09:58 AM
Found this in the Hints and Tips forum and though it was interesting some what far fethched but here it is:

Originally posted by Agentbarto:
The Footprints

In further support of my "increased synchronization" hypothesis I wish to point out that there was a poll released by Ubisoft that basically asked what aspects we, the consumers, would like to see improved. One of the aspects indicated was "Enhanced Eagle Vision" that would allow the player to see paths of enemy patrol routes among other uses. Maybe the steps were a "step" in that direction (forgive the pun). It seems possible that Desmond is simply improving his own vision's ability to perceive the truth.
Survey Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/)

I know it is a little out there but it some what supports my previous theory that it means nothing in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood but will mean something bigger in the next instalment. Read the article on the survey quite interesting things.

rocketxsurgeon
01-03-2011, 10:29 AM
I think the key things to remember is that the trail is red & in a double helix shape, those two factors alone mean someone isn't to be trusted.

RedSpider
01-03-2011, 03:56 PM
This Red Trail has been baffling me for ages. So basically, even after we finish the game, we don't find out what it is?!?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Inorganic9_2
01-03-2011, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
Found this in the Hints and Tips forum and though it was interesting some what far fethched but here it is:

Originally posted by Agentbarto:
The Footprints

In further support of my "increased synchronization" hypothesis I wish to point out that there was a poll released by Ubisoft that basically asked what aspects we, the consumers, would like to see improved. One of the aspects indicated was "Enhanced Eagle Vision" that would allow the player to see paths of enemy patrol routes among other uses. Maybe the steps were a "step" in that direction (forgive the pun). It seems possible that Desmond is simply improving his own vision's ability to perceive the truth.
Survey Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/)

I know it is a little out there but it some what supports my previous theory that it means nothing in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood but will mean something bigger in the next instalment. Read the article on the survey quite interesting things.

Either way, this implies that it's some form of enemy movement!

As rocketxsurgeon said:
They are red - they could be in blood, but with no evidence at all that anyone has been bleeding in 2012 Monteriggioni, they are highly likely to be enemy activity

the double helix shape - no idea what this could mean...I never noticed the shape myself until rocketxsurgeon pointed it out

Masta_Pain
01-05-2011, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
I think it's also worth noting that I started my second run through of the game today and noticed that Ezio returns to Monteriggioni when he's much older... the reason why we are yet to discover... fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Yeah I'm going through my second run-through and I noticed that as well... I don't know but it MUST be that crypt/whatever where Mario found the shroud in Project Legacy.

Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AssassinFirenze:
That's Ezio's blood.
Proof: when the villa is attacked he follows the exact same way to get inside so that's obvious.

If you look at my screenshots, you can see the trail isn't there when the team arrive. Meaning a new trail, it can't be a trail from the past. If that was the case, we would see it when the team arrive. But it appears when you leave the animus in sequence two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> But the artifacts also don't show up until you leave the animus in sequence 2 ( I went into the church when I was meant to be following Ezio and didn't find the cape), so it might just be a decision by the developers so you don't get distracted.

EDIT: I Found something. I was going through Mario Auditore's Project Legacy story again and I found where the shroud was hidden!

Originally posted by Mario Auditore:
The well! Searching Auditore family records, we have found that one of my ancestors had the old well drained and then further excavated. A senseless act... unless he was hiding something.


Some wooden structures remain from the excavation. I climb them to investigate the higher reaches of the chamber, but I find no clues. From what I remember from AC2 this decription matches the insides of the old well you had to renovate to gain access to. It might explain why it was boarded up, but what if the drain in front of the assassin's crest was the well Mario was talking about? Things could have changed since Mario's discovery and Ezio originally arriving there. What does that place (the drain) look like in AC2?

dchil279
01-05-2011, 03:02 PM
I think that this is the trail that Lucy took when she was gone. I'm guessing the shroud is under the drain somewhere and she went out to find it.

rocketxsurgeon
01-05-2011, 03:38 PM
Maybe someone came back to check the shroud out & found out it wasn't there, who would need the shroud and is supposed to be dead?...

New footprints. Red. DNA.

DNA is the main clue here people. Its someone with common DNA as Desmond. 'Find me in the darkness...' maybe 16 was talking about the path? Seen as though you can only go out at night.

RebeccaLH
01-05-2011, 04:38 PM
As everyones been saying about it looking like DNA perhaps it was made by an ancestor of eve, its obvious somebodys been there but not caused harm to them.. But then the trail is red so that could mean whoever it is is an enemy.

Avl521
01-05-2011, 04:57 PM
So I replayed that part again.

It's obviously not there from the beginning, but it indeed follows the path taken by the wounded Ezio and Claudia to the secret chamber at the beginning of the game.

Maybe Ubisoft simply made a mistake?

TrueDemonzBane
01-05-2011, 05:35 PM
theory one:i wondered why lucy disappeared at times, and the blood confused me too, but ezio did come back later, and desmond saw him just outside the door to mario's study, he didnt come inside, and then he ran off down to the back passage, maybe ezio came back, looked into the study, and then ran to the cave, maybe he did somethin purposfully, to show desmond the way, maybe when he used the apple, he saw the past, present and future, and it came out from the fountain, so maybe there is a secret passage

theory two: maybe it is 16, maybe from all these secret messages, like the bleeding effect, he is implanting secrets into desmond's mind, since all of his messages so far are red, his blood in desmond's cell, the glyphs, and maybe this is another secret, maybe ezio came back for something so important that 16 is doing all he can to show desmond

theory 3: the only other thing signified by red in eagle vision is an enemy, so maybe it's lucy's repetitive meetings with a secret person, templar, assassin, or something else, or maybe lucy herself is a templar, who knows

theory 4: i've been thinking for a while, desmond and ezio look so similar...abstergo is a medical company, with access to all true knowledge, and even first hand accounts of the use of pieces of eden, through the animus, the steps are in red, so either A; desmond is a clone of ezio, and only the templars know it, or B; the assassins used the shroud, handed from giovanni to the head of the assassin order, to reincarnate ezio, whiped his mind, and gave him a false persona: desmond miles

sorry that it's so lengthy, but when i go on my hypothetical rants, i get a lil crazy, idk what it is, i thought it would play out at the end and desmond would find something, like the apple in the fountain, maybe they are gonna go back to the villa, maybe the villa auditore is one of the vaults, and ezio went back to find the entrance, we'll just have to wait...it's gonna be hard x.x

IamF3Ar
01-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Personally I've come to believe they aren't footprints at all. From the screenshots, there is a definite, repetitive pattern, and its too clustered together to be the footprints of one person. Unless two people decided to tango all the way from the Villa's back entrance to the drain and back again, it is highly unlikely ONE person could have made the trail, as many people have been hinting at Lucy.

I like the idea of the double helix, which seems to be more plausible in this case, and definitely clearer with the screenshots. One of the questions however is why it leads from the back of the Villa, where it stops for some reason (it doesn't continue to the inside of the hideout), to the drain by the steps, where it seemingly stops. Now if they were footprints, we would have to assume either a) this one person had paced back and forth before disappearing OR somehow entering the drain for some reason, or b) multiple people had walked to the back of the villa, seen that there was nothing but a handful of wires and lights and equipment coincidentally powering nothing, turned back and crawled into the drain, which has to be one of the most awful places to live. I think thats enough sarcasm for the day haha.

It would be nice if there was a proper bird's eye view of the whole pattern. I was thinking it might be just one of 16's glyphs enlarged, and picturing the shape it may look a bit like mountains, but thats getting a bit far fetched. While its reasonable that 16 may be behind this, my only concern is that in the first game, the glyphs did glow red, but inside the animus in brotherhood (can't remember with AC 2) the glyphs glowed blue.

But anyways, as a random thought, someone first mentioned someone or something crawling out of the drain...I immediately thought or Alma from F.E.A.R. That would be the craziest crossover, seriously.

Avl521
01-06-2011, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by IamF3Ar:
But anyways, as a random thought, someone first mentioned someone or something crawling out of the drain...I immediately thought or Alma from F.E.A.R. That would be the craziest crossover, seriously.

NO WAY! This CANNOT happen...

Crazy weird anomalous evil psycopathic wicked little girls scare me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



...



But I still watch those movies anyway because I love horror films http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Inorganic9_2
01-06-2011, 03:41 AM
DNA is the main clue here people. Its someone with common DNA as Desmond. 'Find me in the darkness...' maybe 16 was talking about the path? Seen as though you can only go out at night.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif that's creepy... and possible.

TrueDemonzBane
01-06-2011, 05:13 AM
--UPDATE--

i was just going to give them another look over, and noticed that the started to appear befor my eyes, as if someone was walking, but NO: the ground is covering them up near the door to the hideout, so it is possible that they lead inside, and that the ground is just covering them up, you can see this well by standing neard the end of them, and moving the camera up and down! look at this for yourselvs and tell me what you think

assassinato_862
01-06-2011, 09:42 AM
We're forgetting something. Subject sixteen said something about it's already the future. Either A.) He's referring that the past present and future are all occuring at the same time; as proved by modern science and quantum physics, or B.) Subject sixteen is saying the Abstergo has used the time travelling device that they have copied from that ship anomally ans used it to go forward in time. That's another thing I thought of.

theory two: maybe it is 16, maybe from all these secret messages, like the bleeding effect, he is implanting secrets into desmond's mind, since all of his messages so far are red, his blood in desmond's cell, the glyphs, and maybe this is another secret, maybe ezio came back for something so important that 16 is doing all he can to show desmond

Perhaps........Altair's Tomb? As I have said so kindly that everyone seemed to ignore.... -_-


theory 4: i've been thinking for a while, desmond and ezio look so similar...abstergo is a medical company, with access to all true knowledge, and even first hand accounts of the use of pieces of eden, through the animus, the steps are in red, so either A; desmond is a clone of ezio, and only the templars know it, or B; the assassins used the shroud, handed from giovanni to the head of the assassin order, to reincarnate ezio, whiped his mind, and gave him a false persona: desmond miles


Okay. I always figured why Ubi NEVER made Ezio, Altair, and Desmond look almost EXACTLY the same, despite some peoples protests. So, there's still the question what Altair found in the apple near his death. Immortality? A complete understanding of the past, present, and future? A version of immortality that makes you live forever but forgets yourself? As Altair previously mentioned in his codex, "Where do WE go? Our minds? The conclusion I have come to is that there is no afterlife...." I forgot after some time, but it sounds like Altair doesn't WANT to die. He want's to discover the apple to a more deeper level.....a good shocker would be the end of the next add-on or game will be Desmond going down there and finding Altair's tomb opening the coffin for let's say the PoE sword, and finding no body. O.O

Sorry it's such a text wall.

TrueDemonzBane
01-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by assassinato_862:
We're forgetting something. Subject sixteen said something about it's already the future. Either A.) He's referring that the past present and future are all occuring at the same time; as proved by modern science and quantum physics, or B.) Subject sixteen is saying the Abstergo has used the time travelling device that they have copied from that ship anomally ans used it to go forward in time. That's another thing I thought of.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> theory two: maybe it is 16, maybe from all these secret messages, like the bleeding effect, he is implanting secrets into desmond's mind, since all of his messages so far are red, his blood in desmond's cell, the glyphs, and maybe this is another secret, maybe ezio came back for something so important that 16 is doing all he can to show desmond

Perhaps........Altair's Tomb? As I have said so kindly that everyone seemed to ignore.... -_-


theory 4: i've been thinking for a while, desmond and ezio look so similar...abstergo is a medical company, with access to all true knowledge, and even first hand accounts of the use of pieces of eden, through the animus, the steps are in red, so either A; desmond is a clone of ezio, and only the templars know it, or B; the assassins used the shroud, handed from giovanni to the head of the assassin order, to reincarnate ezio, whiped his mind, and gave him a false persona: desmond miles


Okay. I always figured why Ubi NEVER made Ezio, Altair, and Desmond look almost EXACTLY the same, despite some peoples protests. So, there's still the question what Altair found in the apple near his death. Immortality? A complete understanding of the past, present, and future? A version of immortality that makes you live forever but forgets yourself? As Altair previously mentioned in his codex, "Where do WE go? Our minds? The conclusion I have come to is that there is no afterlife...." I forgot after some time, but it sounds like Altair doesn't WANT to die. He want's to discover the apple to a more deeper level.....a good shocker would be the end of the next add-on or game will be Desmond going down there and finding Altair's tomb opening the coffin for let's say the PoE sword, and finding no body. O.O

Sorry it's such a text wall. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>maybe altair found a way to copy his dna, perfectly, not jsut half, so instead of just passing along half of his dna during sex, he passed on 100% and it's residual, it stayed dormant until Ezio Auditory, then it happened again with Desmond Miles, and they all do look the same, at least to me, they all had the same scar, that's for sure, and their facial structure has a 90% match rate, if you put all three of them into a facial structure comparison program, it'd be a very high match, also when ezio returned to the villa as an older man, two questions arize, 1. How did he get in from the villa? the door was never unlocked was it? and 2. why was he looking directly at the statue of altair, with such a determined look?

flyingeaglemile
01-08-2011, 08:27 PM
The Trail couldn`t of been done by Ezio or anyone in the past. If you play at the beggining when you`re setting up the power for the Animus, the red trail is NOT there but comes later during the game so it has to be from someone during the modern time. Now I have no idea what to make of this, I just thought this needed to be pointed out.

Edit: Just thought that maybe that unmarked Van Rebecca talks about in the email pulled up the (fountain?) people got up, walked the trail saw that there were wires and everything going down to the tomb and went back to their van and drove off.

Redfeather1975
01-08-2011, 08:29 PM
It may simply be a symbolic expression.
One acting as a signal to Desmond.
Perhaps manifested by his subconscious.

TrueDemonzBane
01-08-2011, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by flyingeaglemile:
The Trail couldn`t of been done by Ezio or anyone in the past. If you play at the beggining when you`re setting up the power for the Animus, the red trail is NOT there but comes later during the game so it has to be from someone during the modern time. Now I have no idea what to make of this, I just thought this needed to be pointed out.

Edit: Just thought that maybe that unmarked Van Rebecca talks about in the email pulled up the (fountain?) people got up, walked the trail saw that there were wires and everything going down to the tomb and went back to their van and drove off. well, my guess is that it's either a. a traiter, b. templars scouting out the villa, c. desmond didnt see the trail while setting up the power because the bleeding effect hadnt gotten strong enough (weakest theory) or d. subject 16 is implanting images into desmond's mind though the bleeding effect (my strongest belief

GREAZY_FINGAZZ
01-08-2011, 10:38 PM
[/QUOTE] maybe altair found a way to copy his dna , perfectly, not jsut half, so instead of just passing along half of his dna during sex, he passed on 100% and it's residual, it stayed dormant until Ezio Auditory, then it happened again with Desmond Miles, and they all do look the same, at least to me, they all had the same scar , that's for sure, and their facial structure has a 90% match rate, if you put all three of them into a facial structure comparison program, it'd be a very high match, also when ezio returned to the villa as an older man, two questions arize, 1. How did he get in from the villa? the door was never unlocked was it? and 2. why was he looking directly at the statue of altair, with such a determined look? [/QUOTE]
But Ezio got his scar from the rock hitting him

Alpha Ender
01-09-2011, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Its the 66th piece of Eden
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I didn't know there were that many. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was a while ago, but just wanted to mention: these are not all of the Pieces of Eden. There were many, MANY more, but Those Who Came Before tried destroying as many as they could. They couldn't finish the job, and a few have disappeared throughout history (Tungaska Event, Denver Airport, etc.). Therefore, it's possible that even though only 50 (or was it 60?) are mentioned, there could have been more originally, but they've just disappeared throughout time, and Abstergo didn't revise the numbers to keep references in older documents still current.

Does that make any sense? If not, feel free to comment or PM me.

TrueDemonzBane
01-09-2011, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by GREAZY_FINGAZZ:
maybe altair found a way to copy his dna , perfectly, not jsut half, so instead of just passing along half of his dna during sex, he passed on 100% and it's residual, it stayed dormant until Ezio Auditory, then it happened again with Desmond Miles, and they all do look the same, at least to me, they all had the same scar , that's for sure, and their facial structure has a 90% match rate, if you put all three of them into a facial structure comparison program, it'd be a very high match, also when ezio returned to the villa as an older man, two questions arize, 1. How did he get in from the villa? the door was never unlocked was it? and 2. why was he looking directly at the statue of altair, with such a determined look? [/QUOTE]
But Ezio got his scar from the rock hitting him[/QUOTE]fate?

Inorganic9_2
01-09-2011, 03:41 PM
I'm pretty sure Desmond and Ezio don't actually look that much alike...

Also, this whole reincarnation thing is kind of ****...this is bordering on just using magic.

Also also, we SAW Ezio being born, so the whole "Altaïr is Ezio" thing is also ****

Finally: Altaïr can;t have found immortality, as he would have used the knowledge of TWCB. Juno specifically stated that they did not find immortality.

I thin k we're over-analysing the trail tbh.

WarpSpeed10
01-09-2011, 03:47 PM
No, the blood you see in the present outside the Vila is Ezio's. If you remember, he was bleeding out from the gunshot wound all the way to the Vila.

Which brings up another point. If Desmond can see his ancestor's blood, maybe he can see 16's blood at the end of AC1 because they are related, which would explain why he and Desmond shared some of the same memories of Ezio.

Inorganic9_2
01-09-2011, 04:07 PM
^ again, who says it's blood? Also, it's not Ezio's, as it's not there when you go out into the villa before. It's new.

Alpha Ender
01-09-2011, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by WarpSpeed10:
No, the blood you see in the present outside the Vila is Ezio's. If you remember, he was bleeding out from the gunshot wound all the way to the Vila.

Which brings up another point. If Desmond can see his ancestor's blood, maybe he can see 16's blood at the end of AC1 because they are related, which would explain why he and Desmond shared some of the same memories of Ezio.

http://i54.tinypic.com/9a3jg9.jpg

Okay, seriously, we need to stop this madness. As the OP has proved over and over with screenshots showing this, there is no blood trail in the beginning. You guys do not understand. This means it is not Ezio's blood. Read before you post. Think before you post. I apologize that this comes across as so angry, but we have shot down that theory multiple times now. Also, the trail is clearly a double helix formation, showing a clear mind was behind its creation, not the random stumbling of a dying man. That being said, it is entirely possible that someone DID leave blood on the ground, but it cannot be Ezio's. My suggestion would be Subject 16 because of the ideas earlier about the "meet me in the darkness" thing, as well as the fact that he has a history of using blood to leave symbols or warning behind.

TrueDemonzBane
01-09-2011, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by AlphaEnder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WarpSpeed10:
No, the blood you see in the present outside the Vila is Ezio's. If you remember, he was bleeding out from the gunshot wound all the way to the Vila.

Which brings up another point. If Desmond can see his ancestor's blood, maybe he can see 16's blood at the end of AC1 because they are related, which would explain why he and Desmond shared some of the same memories of Ezio.

http://i54.tinypic.com/9a3jg9.jpg

Okay, seriously, we need to stop this madness. As the OP has proved over and over with screenshots showing this, there is no blood trail in the beginning. You guys do not understand. This means it is not Ezio's blood. Read before you post. Think before you post. I apologize that this comes across as so angry, but we have shot down that theory multiple times now. Also, the trail is clearly a double helix formation, showing a clear mind was behind its creation, not the random stumbling of a dying man. That being said, it is entirely possible that someone DID leave blood on the ground, but it cannot be Ezio's. My suggestion would be Subject 16 because of the ideas earlier about the "meet me in the darkness" thing, as well as the fact that he has a history of using blood to leave symbols or warning behind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I GOT IT 16 is implanting images and thoughts into desmond's mind through the bleeding effect, showing him the way to the shroud, so that they can resurrect him, he couldnt have been dead long, it would work on him, but they have to "find him in the darkness" a grave

X_Heavy_Fire_X
01-09-2011, 10:06 PM
The trail is strange but I think that all has to do with Desmond, and not blood or that someone left it there. The Double helix path leads from the Sanctuary to the front of the villa, right to the Auditore crest on the wall.

But did anyone look down?! There is a grille that leads to below the town! And what is below the town... THE AUDITORE TOMB!

You see, Ezio took the armor of Altair and recovered what was left of it. REMEMBER?! Desmond said he saw Ezio in the Sanctuary when they went in, Ezio was wearing the armor of Altair, but Desmond said he looked very old when he saw him. Since Ezio lost the armor in the villa attack, he must have returned much later to salvage it. Ezio now had the armors of Brutus and Altair as well as the codex pages (even if the pages did not have the designs), it may be possible that Ezio combined the two armors and hid them under the villa in the Auditore tomb. If so, then the grille would then be the only remaining way into the sewer system which is where the tomb is hidden, someone (like Subject 16 or a different subject) may have programed the Animus to show the way to the tomb, Desmond is a subject and so would be able to see the path in his eagle vision which is a skill learned from the Animus. So Desmond could collect the armor and since the armor is unbreakable... IT IS ALSO BULLETPROOF. Bingo, a way for Desmond to the survive the high tech nightmare that is the future... but even so, Abstergo is training recruits with special Animus programs at a high rate.

Desmond still isnt ready...

addwhat
01-10-2011, 07:36 PM
This might sound a bit crazy but bear with me.

In picture #4, it appears the foot prints are similar or the same size as Desmond's feet. So, unless Desmond has dainty feet, I think the foot prints were made by a male.

Unless I'm remembering wrong, Subject 16 died in Abstergo and I don't believe the animus 2.0 is hooked to any kind of outside network.

Now, the question this leads me to ask is How did subject 16 get his programming into the animus 2.0?

My theory is that he didn't put his mind into the animus 2.0. The original animus copied subject 16's consciousness and left a big hunk (or all) of it in Desmond's mind that has been manifesting itself in his animus experience as well as his sleep.

In Lucy's emails, she mentions that Desmond has been talking in his sleep. Now, It's not uncommon for people who talk in their sleep to also sleep walk.

My theory is that Subject 16 is leaving clues in the real world as well as the animus using Desmond's body while he's sleeping. They're just not as obvious.

But why stop there? If I'm right here, it's also possible that Subject 16 didn't physically leave those clues we saw at the end of AC1. That might have been sleeping Desmond as well.


Well, what do you guys think?

HeruGothmog
01-10-2011, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by addwhat:

Now, the question this leads me to ask is How did subject 16 get his programming into the animus 2.0?

My theory is that he didn't put his mind into the animus 2.0. The original animus copied subject 16's consciousness and left a big hunk (or all) of it in Desmond's mind that has been manifesting itself in his animus experience as well as his sleep.

In Lucy's emails, she mentions that Desmond has been talking in his sleep. Now, It's not uncommon for people who talk in their sleep to also sleep walk.

My theory is that Subject 16 is leaving clues in the real world as well as the animus using Desmond's body while he's sleeping. They're just not as obvious.

But why stop there? If I'm right here, it's also possible that Subject 16 didn't physically leave those clues we saw at the end of AC1. That might have been sleeping Desmond as well.


Well, what do you guys think? Interesting points. But as for how 16 got into the 2.0, that is simple. When Lucy got Desmond away from Abstergo, she first put him into their Amimus and found a memory match between 16 and Des. She then took the memory core from the Animus and gave this to Rebbeca who linked it to the 2.0.

addwhat
01-10-2011, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by HeruGothmog

Interesting points. But as for how 16 got into the 2.0, that is simple. When Lucy got Desmond away from Abstergo, she first put him into their Amimus and found a memory match between 16 and Des. She then took the memory core from the Animus and gave this to Rebbeca who linked it to the 2.0.

Okay, ya got me there. Though, I still think Desmond made those markings in AC1 and the foot print helix in ACB, because of something subject 16 did to him.

New thought just popped into my head: Maybe Lucy found both of them before anyone else and covered them up. Why? I don't know. I'm tired.

beatledude210
01-13-2011, 06:51 PM
It would be creepy to think that while they were in there, subject 16(that's who i think it is) was walking around the villa.

TrueDemonzBane
01-13-2011, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by addwhat:
This might sound a bit crazy but bear with me.

In picture #4, it appears the foot prints are similar or the same size as Desmond's feet. So, unless Desmond has dainty feet, I think the foot prints were made by a male.

Unless I'm remembering wrong, Subject 16 died in Abstergo and I don't believe the animus 2.0 is hooked to any kind of outside network.

Now, the question this leads me to ask is How did subject 16 get his programming into the animus 2.0?

My theory is that he didn't put his mind into the animus 2.0. The original animus copied subject 16's consciousness and left a big hunk (or all) of it in Desmond's mind that has been manifesting itself in his animus experience as well as his sleep.

In Lucy's emails, she mentions that Desmond has been talking in his sleep. Now, It's not uncommon for people who talk in their sleep to also sleep walk.

My theory is that Subject 16 is leaving clues in the real world as well as the animus using Desmond's body while he's sleeping. They're just not as obvious.

But why stop there? If I'm right here, it's also possible that Subject 16 didn't physically leave those clues we saw at the end of AC1. That might have been sleeping Desmond as well.


Well, what do you guys think? i hate to burst your bubble, but 16 got those things into the 2.0 because lucy stole the memory core from the original, basically like taking a flash drive from one computer and planting in in another, all the same data is there, just moved

xcamthemandudex
01-14-2011, 06:50 PM
That is strange, up until now I just thought that the footprints were just scrambled. I can't imagine why someone would walk in a double-helix shape (forgive me for not contributing), but I am sure that it is significant to the series/game because there would be no need for something like that to be there if it was unimportant.

--Edit--
To add on, none of the footprints go in a straight line (other than the formation), that meaning that the person would have had to be stepping in multiple directions to get scrambled footprints.

Avl521
01-14-2011, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by addwhat:
This might sound a bit crazy but bear with me.

In picture #4, it appears the foot prints are similar or the same size as Desmond's feet. So, unless Desmond has dainty feet, I think the foot prints were made by a male.

Unless I'm remembering wrong, Subject 16 died in Abstergo and I don't believe the animus 2.0 is hooked to any kind of outside network.

Now, the question this leads me to ask is How did subject 16 get his programming into the animus 2.0?

My theory is that he didn't put his mind into the animus 2.0. The original animus copied subject 16's consciousness and left a big hunk (or all) of it in Desmond's mind that has been manifesting itself in his animus experience as well as his sleep.

In Lucy's emails, she mentions that Desmond has been talking in his sleep. Now, It's not uncommon for people who talk in their sleep to also sleep walk.

My theory is that Subject 16 is leaving clues in the real world as well as the animus using Desmond's body while he's sleeping. They're just not as obvious.

But why stop there? If I'm right here, it's also possible that Subject 16 didn't physically leave those clues we saw at the end of AC1. That might have been sleeping Desmond as well.


Well, what do you guys think?
http://facepalm.delapalo.net/facepalm2.jpg#envy%20face%20palm

arkadye
01-14-2011, 07:36 PM
I don't think Lucy is a Templar. In AC1 she appeared blue under Eagle Vision.

Pat0307
01-14-2011, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by arkadye:
I don't think Lucy is a Templar. In AC1 she appeared blue under Eagle Vision.

the assassins are hybrids of the The Ones Who Came Before and the eagle vision that was passed down to them is tainted so that they what they see in eagle vision is what they believe is true, not what is really true.

so what Desmond saw is what he though was true: Vidic is an ememy, and lucy is a friend. but because of the tainted eagle vision, Lucy's true intention is still debatable.

TrueDemonzBane
01-14-2011, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Pat0307:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arkadye:
I don't think Lucy is a Templar. In AC1 she appeared blue under Eagle Vision.

the assassins are hybrids of the The Ones Who Came Before and the eagle vision that was passed down to them is tainted so that they what they see in eagle vision is what they believe is true, not what is really true.

so what Desmond saw is what he though was true: Vidic is an ememy, and lucy is a friend. but because of the tainted eagle vision, Lucy's true intention is still debatable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>just to be honest, in the begining, desmond trusted lucy as far as he could throw her, he didnt trust anyone, would you trust anyone if you woke up one day in a cell?

also, i think that since when you see the path someone has walked in the animus, it's just a glowing lil cloud off the ground, and you dont see any actual footprints, that this isnt footprints. these images are either blood staines made with someone's shoes, OR (what i believe strongly) that someone, mostlikely 16, has implanted these images into desmond's mind, in the same way that ezio's skills are being inplanted there

Natethegrea201
01-31-2011, 03:04 PM
After you complete Sequence 9 and you leave the animus and the powers goes out. Now this is when you find out about 1419,1420,1421 and leave to go to the Colosseum but, if you go outside before this and use Eagle Vison the red trail is no longer there. Any thoughts?

LxLAS3RzZz
01-31-2011, 03:56 PM
Well if you did read a e-mail from Rebecca it said about how there was a mysterious white van in the villa then she said it was gone the next time they went out, perhaps there is an intruder and it's their footprints instead of Lucy's?

Evan52395
01-31-2011, 04:12 PM
I think it's Shaun. He left the Sanctuary back and forth the most. He's also kind of a ****** to Desmond.

LxLAS3RzZz
01-31-2011, 04:26 PM
I think it's Shaun. He left the Sanctuary back and forth the most. He's also kind of a ****** to Desmond.



It's not Shaun, he escaped from Abstergo with Rebecca and Abstergo were going to have him killed but first taken to a top man in Abstergo, I know this from reading Abstergo e-mails.

Evan52395
01-31-2011, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by LxLAS3RzZz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I think it's Shaun. He left the Sanctuary back and forth the most. He's also kind of a ****** to Desmond.



It's not Shaun, he escaped from Abstergo with Rebecca and Abstergo were going to have him killed but first taken to a top man in Abstergo, I know this from reading Abstergo e-mails. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah. Well there you go. Then the only other thing I can think of is the Templars stalking them.

Eziolala
02-01-2011, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by LxLAS3RzZz:
Well if you did read a e-mail from Rebecca it said about how there was a mysterious white van in the villa then she said it was gone the next time they went out, perhaps there is an intruder and it's their footprints instead of Lucy's?

Yeah I'm going for something like that, I think the unmarked white van might have something to do with the footprints.

Reyjaviik
02-18-2011, 05:00 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by xcamthemandudex:
That is strange, up until now I just thought that the footprints were just scrambled. I can't imagine why someone would walk in a double-helix shape (forgive me for not contributing), but I am sure that it is significant to the series/game because there would be no need for something like that to be there if it was unimportant.

A Double Helix is the shape of DNA, which could possibly link to the fact that it is blood left by Ezio, as blood contains your DNA. Just a thought, though I have no idea why Ezio's blood trail means anything. -Joe

AssassinsMark
02-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Could this finally be the DNA of Eve that subject 16 mentioned? Possiblity! and the red glowing substance
is subject 16's trail to show us where to look.

AnthonyA85
02-18-2011, 07:26 PM
Except the red trail doesn't lead anywhere.

Mic_92
02-18-2011, 07:57 PM
Lucy is obviously a Templar, it's basically told to us in the ending.

rawrsmitch
02-19-2011, 04:12 AM
Hmm, I also remember something I read in Project Legacy that Mario found some kind of secret chamber underneath Monteriggioni where the Shroud was hidden. He also lost his eye there. DNA strain ==> The Shroud. Could this be hinting at something?

iN3krO
02-19-2011, 05:51 AM
Maybe templars tryed to copy any part of desmond DNA to the ground cuz they want desmond to revive that DNA sequence and after desmond finish that sequence they go and steal the recordings :O

Or "William M." doesn't want to show up cuz he's desmond father and don't want desmond to know so and made the same that i said templars did (but without to trying to steal the recordings)

Razrback16
02-19-2011, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Mic_92:
Lucy is obviously a Templar, it's basically told to us in the ending.

I really hope that's the case.

Jacobmiles2010
02-19-2011, 03:10 PM
Has anyone considered that it's just the power company investigating where all the extra juice is going?

AMuppetMatt
02-20-2011, 05:38 AM
And the power company decided to start at the sewers/ grating underground?
I never knew in 2012 electricians lived like rats... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TrueDemonzBane
02-21-2011, 04:31 AM
ok, i think at this is a meeting point of many key story elements, mario finding the shroud from progect legacy, ezio returning to the villa later in life, needing to find eve, juno's criptic "UNLOCK THE 6TH" rant (which if you listened to her speach while trying to activate the power, you know is the 6th sense that they didnt trust humanity with) what happened to lucy at the end, 16's criptic messages throughout the game, and the fact that the villa has so many things focused around it, because let's face it, the shroud didnt just end up under monteriggioni, the vault was put there, because TWCB knew that all this would happen, right? because that's what the apple does, gives knowledge of all that was and will be, and now that the assassin's have the apple, it's as simple as putting all the pieces together, starting with finding eve

Archosakun
02-21-2011, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:

I thought it could be 16, as that's what desmond and 16 have in common, their genetic ancestors. I also thought that perhaps someone could be messing with Desmond's mind, trying to frame Lucy, or make him doubt.

Maybe (sorry if someone already said this) it was one of the 'gods' like Juno to try and make him doubt Lucy so that he could find Eve without being deceived. Because if Lucy was giving out information and being a double agent, she would hinder their mission.
</bad theory>

masterfenix2009
02-21-2011, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Mic_92:
Lucy is obviously a Templar, it's basically told to us in the ending.

What did Juno say? The cross darkens the path. Which makes you think Lucy is under the templar cross. Read the comics. You will find out that they arent talking about the templar cross.

AntiChrist7
02-21-2011, 12:45 PM
It's Minerva btw who says "guard against the cross"

I don't believe lucy is a templar, it's kristen bell a.k.a Veronica Mars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif She can't be the bad guy (or girl in this case)

And also because if she was a templar, escaping Abstergo (twice) seems completly illogical

jzsnyder
02-21-2011, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by AntiChrist7:
It's Minerva btw who says "guard against the cross"

I don't believe lucy is a templar, <span class="ev_code_RED">it's kristen bell a.k.a Veronica Mars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif She can't be the bad guy</span> (or girl in this case)

And also because if she was a templar, escaping Abstergo (twice) seems completly illogical

I honestly hope you didn't just jump to a conclusion based on your love of a voice actor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Mic_92
02-21-2011, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by assassino151:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mic_92:
Lucy is obviously a Templar, it's basically told to us in the ending.

What did Juno say? The cross darkens the path. Which makes you think Lucy is under the templar cross. Read the comics. You will find out that they arent talking about the templar cross. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read the comics, I don't see what it has to do with it.



HUGE SPOILERS


Juno says there is one who must accompany Desmond but she lies not within their sight because the cross darkens the horizon. Immediately after that Desmond falls under her control. When Desmond asks her what she's doing she says the path must be opened and she must guide him.

Right after he stabs Lucy, Juno says it is done and the way lies before him.

Lucy = the cross.

/thread.

madigari
02-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by AntiChrist7:
I don't believe lucy is a templar, it's kristen bell a.k.a Veronica Mars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif She can't be the bad guy (or girl in this case)

And also because if she was a templar, escaping Abstergo (twice) seems completly illogical

The best way to get out of prison is to be one of the guards.

Put another way, it's only escaping if they were actually holding her. The 'proof' that she was being held against her will is simply that she said she was, and only to Desmond. (Never once do you see her comment in e-mails or otherwise that she can't leave, but that's not proof of being a traitor in and of itself either.)

Now, assuming Lucy is a traitor, what did she really do if she didn't escape? She killed expendable Abstergo employees (something the Templars/Abstergo do often) who employed -very- minimal resistance to her playing to Desmond's trust. She also used cellular phones (guaranteed not safe communication, as specified by Rebecca; Abstergo can intercept those things) to contact William M., as opposed to the presumably secure e-mails (with the exception of Erudito).

Abstergo is in the business of deceit (among other things), whether it's en masse to the populace at large or to the individual such as Desmond. Given Lucy's behavior during the course of Brotherhood, it's not outside the realm of possibility (highly likely possibility, at that) that she did what she did to get Desmond to trust her and lead her to the Piece of Eden for Abstergo. (Of course, I'm sure a Knife to the Heart wasn't in the plans, which could lend credence to the idea that Abstergo moved in to secure the body, Desmond, and the Apple.)

TL;DR version: Can so.

SWJS
02-23-2011, 01:43 AM
I'm sure a Knife to the Heart wasn't in the plans
Desmond didn't stab Lucy in the heart, he stabbed her in the womb.

Just as well, I'm sure Abstergo didn't plan on Lucy actually falling for Desmond. And just as well, Lucy knew Shaun and Rebecca since before she became a mole for the assassins, over a decade. I doubt Abstergo captured Lucy at birth with some overly elaborate, decades-long scheme to use her to fall in love with averadge joes they kidnap, just so they'll behave like good little captives.

zabaranak
02-23-2011, 02:10 AM
i think they are templar footsteps just looking for them. I dont think lucy is a spy for the templars, not yet anyway as there si insuficient evidence however it is all a bit mysterious isnt it.
Wait ive got it, at the end those 2 mens voices, maybe its them and they have been hiding in moterigioni following them.

madigari
02-23-2011, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm sure a Knife to the Heart wasn't in the plans
Desmond didn't stab Lucy in the heart, he stabbed her in the womb.

Just as well, I'm sure Abstergo didn't plan on Lucy actually falling for Desmond. And just as well, Lucy knew Shaun and Rebecca since before she became a mole for the assassins, over a decade. I doubt Abstergo captured Lucy at birth with some overly elaborate, decades-long scheme to use her to fall in love with averadge joes they kidnap, just so they'll behave like good little captives. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where do you hear that she was captured from birth? Because it wasn't anywhere in the games. She came to Abstergo because everyone else called her thesis junk science, and Abstergo wanted to help her realize her dream: applying her theories to help build the Animus. This is stated specifically in Assassin's Creed 1, pretty early on in their conversations. (About the same time she claims to be a prisoner, if I recall correctly.)

That said, who said Desmond and her ever had sex, -or- that they were in love? I don't ever once recall them stating that explicitly; in fact, if anything, all they're doing is flirting and showing concern for one another. That they're in love and have anything more than mutual friendship is stretching the facts to fit your interpretation.

Also, as to Knife to the Heart, that was an homage to the trophy you get when the stabbing occurs. I'm not going to claim I know where she was stabbed, because I don't know and it isn't stated explicitly.

EDIT: As for Shaun and Rebecca, again, Abstergo is in the business of deceit. Do you think that -if- Lucy is a double agent, she's going to tell both of them, or fool them into believing she's a really close friend and ally?

SWJS
02-23-2011, 02:16 PM
@madigari

I was being sarcastic, I never actually said she was captured from birth.

Lucy's shown to have been an assassin and known Shaun and Rebecca since before she went to college to study genetic memory. Why did she go to college to study it? The assassins were aware that the Templars were working with the materials, and sent Lucy to college to study it, and then she applied at Abstergo and became a mole. Four years of college, three years of work on the Animus project. Seven years, which is how long it'd been since she had seen either Shaun or Rebecca. Thanks to conversations with them, as well as backstory info from the expanded universe, this is pretty clear.

Falling for each other doesn't mean instant sex. No, they're not in love YET. Hence 'falling for'. Their banter and flirty habits, plus they fact they've already had an argument, means that they want to be more than friends. That doesn't mean they're going to instantly make love and have a sex scene. That's a big "romance don't."

It's shown very explicitly in the game. The camera even zooms in to show where desmond stabs her. He stabs her fairly low in the abdomen, in the womb area.

No she wouldn't tell them, but she has nothing to hide. She's known them since before she even went to Abstergo. She's been affiliated with the Assassins the entire time.

madigari
02-23-2011, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
@madigari

I was being sarcastic, I never actually said she was captured from birth.

Ah, sorry. When you said, "I doubt Abstergo captured Lucy at birth..." I assumed you meant that you believed she had been captured at birth.


Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
Lucy's shown to have been an assassin and known Shaun and Rebecca since before she went to college to study genetic memory. Why did she go to college to study it? The assassins were aware that the Templars were working with the materials, and sent Lucy to college to study it, and then she applied at Abstergo and became a mole. Four years of college, three years of work on the Animus project. Seven years, which is how long it'd been since she had seen either Shaun or Rebecca. Thanks to conversations with them, as well as backstory info from the expanded universe, this is pretty clear.

This might mesh with the comics and other assorted paraphernalia, but it doesn't mesh with what she tells Desmond in Assassin's Creed 1. To whit, she says in regards to Abstergo hiring her when no one else would, "Sometimes I wonder if they orchestrated the whole thing."

Now, even if the extended universe version is canon and she willingly went to Abstergo to be a mole in the organization, why would she tell Desmond anything to the contrary? Assuming she's doing it for the security cameras is a moot point, considering we already know (or, rather, she told us) that she can loop old video to fool Abstergo security. (It's how she states that she was able to hide Desmond's 'night time snooping'.)


Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
Falling for each other doesn't mean instant sex. No, they're not in love YET. Hence 'falling for'. Their banter and flirty habits, plus they fact they've already had an argument, means that they want to be more than friends. That doesn't mean they're going to instantly make love and have a sex scene. That's a big "romance don't."

Those behavioral patterns aren't indicative of falling in love. For starters, Desmond has had a fiesty, joking personality from the beginning of the game, even with Vidic. And, unless Desmond is into geriatric men, I'd say that rules out the playful banter Desmond and Lucy had. As for the caring part, that's what friends do for one another. Friends generally want the best for their friends, not the worse.


Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
No she wouldn't tell them, but she has nothing to hide. She's known them since before she even went to Abstergo. She's been affiliated with the Assassins the entire time.

I'm not questioning her being part of the Assassins. The question isn't whether she's part of the Assassins or not, it's whether she's also a Templar. Al Mualim was the leader of the Assassins' Order, yet he was still a Templar through the whole of it. Being part of one does not necessarily exclude you from being part of the other.

EDIT: Tried to reduce length and remove the stab wound location. (It doesn't really have any bearing on the debate point, which is whether Lucy is a traitor or not, so, in hindsight, I'll concede that she was stabbed in the womb for the sake of staying on topic.)

GlytchMeister
02-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Sorry if I missed it, but...
Has anyone actually figured out what the red trail is all about? Or are we still stuck with theories?

@madigari: Being part of one does exclude you from being part of the other...it's just a matter of honesty. An person can "be" on both sides, but they can be truly loyal to only one. Think double-agent.

madigari
02-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by GlytchMeister:
Sorry if I missed it, but...
Has anyone actually figured out what the red trail is all about? Or are we still stuck with theories?

@madigari: Being part of one does exclude you from being part of the other...it's just a matter of honesty. An person can "be" on both sides, but they can be truly loyal to only one. Think double-agent.

Still theories at this point. As to honesty, Abstergo/the Templars dwell in deceit, even with each other. Not to mention, working both sides to side whoever comes out on top is possible. Not that I'm saying it's probable or even likely that Lucy is doing that, even if she is a traitor, but I can't rule that possibility out, either.

SWJS
02-23-2011, 05:44 PM
And you're right. We can't rule it out. If Lucy really did care about her friends, I doubt she'd just stab them in the back for a petty sum or unlimited power. She could possibly be a double agent, but completely loyal to the assassins and only working with the Templars to trick them, let their guard down, and get an edge on them. So it could be a "betray your friends to save them and gain the trust of your enemies, so you can then betray them and gain an edge" type of situation. Lucy just doesn't seem like the type to pull what Al Mualim did. Her friendship with the gang seems genuine.

madigari
02-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
And you're right. We can't rule it out. If Lucy really did care about her friends, I doubt she'd just stab them in the back for a petty sum or unlimited power. She could possibly be a double agent, but completely loyal to the assassins and only working with the Templars to trick them, let their guard down, and get an edge on them. So it could be a "betray your friends to save them and gain the trust of your enemies, so you can then betray them and gain an edge" type of situation. Lucy just doesn't seem like the type to pull what Al Mualim did. Her friendship with the gang seems genuine.

The primary reason I suspect Lucy of being a traitor is the arrival of that little key/pen (Desmond needed similar pens to hack the e-mail accounts from AC1) on her desk in ACB once she comes back from her disappearance. It's possible she's not a traitor, but ACB definitely made me raise my brow and say, "Wait, what?" Prior to that, I agree wholeheartedly. The idea that Lucy was a traitor would have been ridiculous to me.

Though, as an aside, I'm still not saying "Lucy is a traitor" definitively. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'm simply playing devil's advocate to all the Lucy fans to ensure all theories are hashed out thoroughly and we can work out the weaker, less factual ones out.

Mic_92
02-23-2011, 09:09 PM
She either is a traitor or they're making us think she is so they can pull of something unexpected but there are many, many things that are off about her.

Remember when she says a few of her old Abstergo passwords still work?

Well I don't remember exactly when or what but in AC1 there was a problem at one moment and they had to stop because Abstergo was going to reset ALL the passwords and everything?

Well doesn't it seems weird to you that the password of an employee who defected them, and killed many of their guards still work?

Just read The Fall,


SPOILERZ!!one

Daniel Cross betrays the Assassins and tells the Templars about all their bases.
What did the Assassins do? They GTFO of there fast.

Do you really think Abstergo is stupid enough to let her leave and hack through their network just because some of her old passwords work?

They let Desmond and Lucy escape in AC2.
Just use logic, if it wasn't the case, the guards would've just gunned them down easily.

Don't you remember in AC1 when there were Assassins trying to attack them? Yeah, and what happened? They were gunned down.

I'm sorry but Lucy and weak AC2 beginning Desmond are not stronger than a whole Assassin team.

Still, we can't rule out the possibility of her having second thoughts either.

madigari
02-23-2011, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Mic_92:
Well I don't remember exactly when or what but in AC1 there was a problem at one moment and they had to stop because Abstergo was going to reset ALL the passwords and everything?

Well doesn't it seems weird to you that the password of an employee who defected them, and killed many of their guards still work?


The password reset thing you're thinking about is Lucy warning Vidic not to leave his security key/pen thing hanging off his jacket. She sent him an e-mail saying that she found it in the parking lot, and had security found it, they would have shut them down and made them reset all the password and security protocols.

The problem with assuming that's a valid warning, though, is that Desmond steals Vidic's key/pen and Lucy leaves her own underneath the towels in Desmond's room. Even after that, the passwords still work fine and there was no shutdown/password reset.

On the topic of passwords, though, there is a point in Lucy's favor: when they are escaping, Lucy doesn't know the code to open the elevator to the parking garage. Now, it's possible that she was trying to test to see if Desmond was already absorbing Assassin skills through the Bleeding Effect, but there's really no way to prove that with what's presented to us so far.

TwentyGlyphs
02-23-2011, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by madigari:

The primary reason I suspect Lucy of being a traitor is the arrival of that little key/pen (Desmond needed similar pens to hack the e-mail accounts from AC1) on her desk in ACB once she comes back from her disappearance. It's possible she's not a traitor, but ACB definitely made me raise my brow and say, "Wait, what?" Prior to that, I agree wholeheartedly. The idea that Lucy was a traitor would have been ridiculous to me.

What pen are you talking about? I think I saw you mention this a few days ago and am playing the game now and going over everything in the present with a watchful eye. In Sequence 2 I looked at Lucy's desk and saw a pen similar to Vidic's from the first game. I haven't made it past Sequence 5 yet, but there is already a pen on her desk that's silver with a green flashing light. I first saw it during Sequence 2, and the following picture I took during Sequence 4 today looks the same:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/43/photofeb2383243pm.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/photofeb2383243pm.jpg/)

Is there a different one you saw later in the game?

I really think that something is up with Lucy, but that she's not a traitor and the writers are trying to make it appear that she might be one leading up to ACB's cliffhanger ending.

Back on the subject of the red trail, I'd like to reiterate that we've never seen footprints make this pattern in Eagle Vision in Assassin's Creed before. Whatever the footprints are, there is something special about them and they can't just be normal footprints of someone walking around. I'm starting to think the trail is related to the artifacts. Those artifacts are still really fishy to me. Why are they just lying around town in plain site after 500 years? They could be manifestations of the Bleeding Effect, but it's never been shown quite like this before. It's always been a "ghost" that Desmond saw, or the visions turn into a full-blown memory like the Altair/Maria sequence from AC2. The artifacts and red trail are not in town before you start Sequence 2, but after you start Sequence 2 and then leave the Animus, the artifacts and the trail both show up. Plus, I'm pretty sure the artifacts and the trail disappear when you leave the Animus for the last time to go find the Apple. I'll confirm that in a few days when I beat the game again.

madigari
02-24-2011, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
Is there a different one you saw later in the game?

That is the one I saw, yes. I don't recall seeing it on her desk prior to her disappearance, though I might not have been looking closely enough until I had reason to scrutinize. (Lucy taking off, for example.)

Anyway, that pen in the picture is an exact copy of the ones used in Abstergo by Lucy and Vidic. The first time I mentioned it, I said that it's possible these items are common-use in the AC version of the real world, and that's still true. But, similarly, we haven't seen one of those pens -since- they were used in Abstergo/Assassin's Creed 1, so it's a suspicious appearance, nonetheless.

Shep309
02-24-2011, 02:02 PM
I think Lucy is a double agent. She was intended as a plant by Abstergo to get recruited by the Assassins. They did and in turn sent her in as a spy to Abstergo, only now she's liking the assassins better so she's trying to play the role of still being on abstergo's/templars side yet doing what she can to help the assassins.

It'd explain her disappearances when you come out of the animus and would also explain why her old passwords still work. The ending doesn't make sense either if she's not a templar agent (gone rogue) without the templars knowing. Why would minerva have you do that at the end?

Orrrrr on the otherhand, Abstergo kept her old passwords active in order to track her whereabouts... they found them at the end of AC2 it makes sense they used her passwords when she was logging into their mainframe to track her.

It also means they can control what kind of information she has access to. They know which programs she had access to and can feed her all kinds of false intel that would help them predict the assassins next move.

TrueDemonzBane
02-25-2011, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by madigari:

The primary reason I suspect Lucy of being a traitor is the arrival of that little key/pen (Desmond needed similar pens to hack the e-mail accounts from AC1) on her desk in ACB once she comes back from her disappearance. It's possible she's not a traitor, but ACB definitely made me raise my brow and say, "Wait, what?" Prior to that, I agree wholeheartedly. The idea that Lucy was a traitor would have been ridiculous to me.

What pen are you talking about? I think I saw you mention this a few days ago and am playing the game now and going over everything in the present with a watchful eye. In Sequence 2 I looked at Lucy's desk and saw a pen similar to Vidic's from the first game. I haven't made it past Sequence 5 yet, but there is already a pen on her desk that's silver with a green flashing light. I first saw it during Sequence 2, and the following picture I took during Sequence 4 today looks the same:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/43/photofeb2383243pm.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/photofeb2383243pm.jpg/)

Is there a different one you saw later in the game?

I really think that something is up with Lucy, but that she's not a traitor and the writers are trying to make it appear that she might be one leading up to ACB's cliffhanger ending.

Back on the subject of the red trail, I'd like to reiterate that we've never seen footprints make this pattern in Eagle Vision in Assassin's Creed before. Whatever the footprints are, there is something special about them and they can't just be normal footprints of someone walking around. I'm starting to think the trail is related to the artifacts. Those artifacts are still really fishy to me. Why are they just lying around town in plain site after 500 years? They could be manifestations of the Bleeding Effect, but it's never been shown quite like this before. It's always been a "ghost" that Desmond saw, or the visions turn into a full-blown memory like the Altair/Maria sequence from AC2. The artifacts and red trail are not in town before you start Sequence 2, but after you start Sequence 2 and then leave the Animus, the artifacts and the trail both show up. Plus, I'm pretty sure the artifacts and the trail disappear when you leave the Animus for the last time to go find the Apple. I'll confirm that in a few days when I beat the game again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>is it just me? or does it look like she's logged into project legacy? an abstergo program used by abstergo agents?, also cory, i've been saying for weeks, though no one listens, that the trail might be another glyph, planted into desmond's mind as he completes the data packets left behind by 16, how else is he supposed to "find him in darkness" perhaps they are supposed to use the shroud that i belive giovanni planted back in the vault, because the last place to look for something is where it was origionally found, to revive 16, who hasnt been dead long. remember when lucy said "too bad he's dead, we could ask him ourselves" i think this is exactly what we're supposed to do, use the shroud to revive 16 to ask him, and the trail of dna leads to the well that the shroud was found in

vorenus73
02-25-2011, 09:07 AM
I hate to be a wet blanket here, but maybe it has no significance at all.

When I first saw it, it was when you have 10 minutes to run around Monteriggioni. I said to myself, "that must be for the idiots who have 30 seconds left on the timer, and forget how to get back to the animus room."

This game does give excessive clues to some things which are incredibly obvious to most people. This could be another one of them and here we are thinking it is of much greater significance.

I hope I am wrong but you have to admit it would be the height of irony if it were nothing at all but a path for dumb players!!

ThaWhistle
02-25-2011, 09:21 AM
i think its safe to say lucy is a red herring. If there is one thing the AC team loves, it is throwing us curveballs. Making lucy a double agent would be too obvious. if there is one, its probably shawn or rebecca.

RENEGADEsoup
02-25-2011, 02:34 PM
Okay, first of all I thought it seemed obvious, but scars are NOT GENETIC. To stray into Biology for a second, they're caused by environment factors affecting that specific organism (the most obvious being injury/damage) as opposed to being caused by genetic/inherited factors (e.g. which allele (version) of a gene the organism has). Genetic factors can be transfered, whereas environment factors are specific to and different for each organism, and so can't be transfered. Therefore even if Altair was to straight up clone himself, none of the clones would have the scar as it is NOT a part of Altair's genetic information and therefore could not be passed to them (or any of his decendents either, for that matter... it's just coincidence.) People were discussing that a few pages back, and it was bugging me because people seemed to forget it XD

Anyway, now that's out of the way, onto the Red Trail. I did a bit of sleuthing myself last night, and scribbled down a few obsevations. I have no idea/theories on what they actually mean in terms of things, but I thought I'd throw some out there... they might help someone else with their theory, in any case.

- The Assassin symbols on the walls of the Temple at the end glow red as well... so either they too were made by enemies, or red doesn't always signify evil/negative intentions.
- The trail is clearer/brighter when viewed from above, which would seem to indicate that's the angle/position they're meant to be viewed from... the angle from which the double helix-like pattern can be seen.
- The pattern repeats itself perfectly over and over, which gives the impression that if it is footsteps, whoever did it was being deliberate and methodic- not just someone wandering around or someone injured stumbling along. Of course, that's assuming they are the actual footprints, and not just a generic pattern showing the path someone walked.
- I can confirm the end of the trail is pretty glitchy next to the door to Mario's study, the closer you move to it the more it seems to extend... but it doesn't seem to go under the ground so much as it just seems to stop.
- I'm in the process of trying to get a screenshot, but at one point the edge of the footsteps almost appear to go underneath/over the top of where there's now a lamp post. I'm really not 100% on this one, it could just be some of the red glare in Eagle Vision getting in the way, but I thought it was interesting to mention because if it is true, it would indicate the footsteps were made before the lamp post was put there... or whatever made them went straight through the lamp post (Bleeding Effect 'ghost'?). But as I said, I think I was starting to clutch at straws at this point XD

EDIT: Got some pics of the lamp post thing, and it definitely doesn't just look like glare to me. But what's odd is the fact the trail seems to go both through the lamp post and be on the base of it... which doesn't seem physically possible o.O Take a look for yourselves, tell me it's not just my eyes:

http://i512.photobucket.com/al...avenkle/redtrail.png (http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/ravenkle/redtrail.png)
(Again, sorry for the big image) The bottom two are a comparison of normal vs. eagle vision. Does this make the trail old or new?
Or is it just inconclusive like everything else.

I also did some obseving from the top of the villa, and quickly scribbled the shape of the trail on a map of monteriggioni... it doesn't seem to form anything to me, but it might mean something to someone:
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/ravenkle/redtrail2.png

As for the schedules in the emails and stuff, I tried to cross check them and there's no glaring discrepancies with the times. However, what's interesting is it's clear Shaun has been going on "supply runs" (from the email entitled "The Anger of Italian Apes"), and yet, there's no mention of these on any of Lucy's schedules (maybe she just doesn't include everything). Also, on the 9/24/2012 schedule there's randomly a "Night Watch" mentioned, with Lucy to relieve Rebecca at 3PM (Yeah, PM)... when no other "Night Watches" are ever mentioned.
There's also the fact that on the second and third schedules, Lucy types "Shaun must stay on site." under the fridays... does anyone know why this is? It's all a bit odd... maybe Ubisoft have done that on purpose though.

I think probably my biggest issue with the emails is all this talk of "my room", "your room" etc... did I miss something about their sleeping arrangements, aren't they all sleeping in those sleeping bags on the floor of the Sanctuary? If so, why does Lucy tell Shaun the aspirins are, she responds: "In my room on the window sill." (10/08/2012 8:11 AM, RE: Relief). What window sill? Can someone enlighten me?

I'm still undecided if/how the Shroud factors into it though...

This is the thing with every mystery in Brotherhood... all the "evidence" for anything is so purposely ambiguous, we're all having to grope around in the dark XD

In all honesty though, I do actually agree with whoever said "It might just be a marker to lead you back to the Sanctuary", even though when I initially saw it ingame, my gut reaction was "OMG THE TEMPLARS HAVE FOUND US". But... if it is just a marker, it would help explain why it suddenly starts/ends, and seems to clip through the lamp post... and because that actually makes a heck of a lot more sense than some of the theories on here XD

Geinref
02-25-2011, 03:21 PM
I honestly think that the red trail is actually ezio's trail he takes in the beginning of the game when he's fighting the guards all the way back to the villa. He does take that exact route cause if u try to go through the other side, u can see that the animus wall (white barrier) blocks u from going through the other side of the stairs.

Desmond's bleeding effect is starting to take a major effect on him thats y i think he sees ezio's path. Another reason why he says "I remember being thru here before" (not an exact quote i think) instead of "ezio's been thru here before" during the beginning of the game.

This is my 2 cents when it comes to that red trail.

TwentyGlyphs
02-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by TrueDemonsBane:
Originally posted by coryplais it just me? or does it look like she's logged into project legacy? an abstergo program used by abstergo agents?, also cory, i've been saying for weeks, though no one listens, that the trail might be another glyph, planted into desmond's mind as he completes the data packets left behind by 16, how else is he supposed to "find him in darkness" perhaps they are supposed to use the shroud that i belive giovanni planted back in the vault, because the last place to look for something is where it was origionally found, to revive 16, who hasnt been dead long. remember when lucy said "too bad he's dead, we could ask him ourselves" i think this is exactly what we're supposed to do, use the shroud to revive 16 to ask him, and the trail of dna leads to the well that the shroud was found in

The problem I have with the trail being planted by Subject 16 in Desmond's mind is that you can see the red trail when you log out of the Animus during Sequence 2, and you might not have found any rifts in the Animus yet. So if it's planted by him, why can you see it before you find a rift? And why is it gone right before you go to the Coliseum? I do like the idea though. It definitely seems like the trail has something to do with the bleeding effect.

Lucy is logged in to Project Legacy, which is rather suspicious, don't you think?

I just can't imagine why the trail would be to help you get back to the villa. First of all, when the timer runs out after 10 minutes, you're automatically transported back to the sanctuary, so there's no need to quickly find your way. Also, the Villa is the tallest building in town, and is slightly elevated above the rest of the town. Did someone think it was that hard to find that they put the trail in a game that's full of conspiracies and hidden clues?

An interesting detail about the footprint marks is they don't look like literal footprints made by a real person. When you look at the prints on stairs, instead of just half a print being on the horizontal part of a step like a foot would make when it steps there, the other half of the footprint is stretched down across the vertical part of the step in a way that's impossible for a foot to make a print on a step. I'll post a picture later tonight.

LxLAS3RzZz
02-25-2011, 05:54 PM
Right... Paying attention to the e-mails here; Rebecca said that there was a mysterious white van when she went out to get supplies but then later on it was gone. So this obviously means 1. White Vans are possessed and drive themselves. Or 2. There was an intruder thatw as watching Lucy, Desmond, Shawn and Rebecca or just keeping an eye on them. Thus perhaps in the case that the red is in the meaning of hostile, these footprints could be the footprints of the intruder. I mean it seems logical - Rebecca did say the van was there then when she next came out it wasn't so y'know.

Shawn can't be a double-agent for the reason I read Abstergo E-mails from the Abstergo website (something Ubi set up, there is a thread about it somewhere) that because Shawn had been leaking Abstergo information (Shawn used to work for Abstergo) they were going to send him to S.to talk (Assumibly a high-ranking member of Abstergo) and by talk I assume kill. Now before this could happen however, Rebecca rescued Shawn etc.

Anyway, my point is that this intruder who obviously brought his white van obviously made the footprints, it only seems logical to me anyway.

ThaWhistle
02-25-2011, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by coryplayspiano:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TrueDemonsBane:
Originally posted by coryplais it just me? or does it look like she's logged into project legacy? an abstergo program used by abstergo agents?, also cory, i've been saying for weeks, though no one listens, that the trail might be another glyph, planted into desmond's mind as he completes the data packets left behind by 16, how else is he supposed to "find him in darkness" perhaps they are supposed to use the shroud that i belive giovanni planted back in the vault, because the last place to look for something is where it was origionally found, to revive 16, who hasnt been dead long. remember when lucy said "too bad he's dead, we could ask him ourselves" i think this is exactly what we're supposed to do, use the shroud to revive 16 to ask him, and the trail of dna leads to the well that the shroud was found in

The problem I have with the trail being planted by Subject 16 in Desmond's mind is that you can see the red trail when you log out of the Animus during Sequence 2, and you might not have found any rifts in the Animus yet. So if it's planted by him, why can you see it before you find a rift? And why is it gone right before you go to the Coliseum? I do like the idea though. It definitely seems like the trail has something to do with the bleeding effect.

Lucy is logged in to Project Legacy, which is rather suspicious, don't you think?

I just can't imagine why the trail would be to help you get back to the villa. First of all, when the timer runs out after 10 minutes, you're automatically transported back to the sanctuary, so there's no need to quickly find your way. Also, the Villa is the tallest building in town, and is slightly elevated above the rest of the town. Did someone think it was that hard to find that they put the trail in a game that's full of conspiracies and hidden clues?

An interesting detail about the footprint marks is they don't look like literal footprints made by a real person. When you look at the prints on stairs, instead of just half a print being on the horizontal part of a step like a foot would make when it steps there, the other half of the footprint is stretched down across the vertical part of the step in a way that's impossible for a foot to make a print on a step. I'll post a picture later tonight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Lucy being on project legacy was an easteregg. it doesn't really mean anything.

Anyway, the fact the trail is a double helix is definitely something about DNA.

With AC1, there was nothing in the writing on the walls that suggested any of the events in AC2. It's all a red herring.

GlytchMeister
02-25-2011, 07:21 PM
Sorry if i am repeating anyone here...

Could it be possible that the red trail is the path Mario (and the Shroud) took when he carried it out of it's cave to be hidden in the villa before Giovanni Auditore could cart it off to some other hiding place?

This event takes place in project legacy, and I just thought that there might be some significance here. PL is constantly making references, both obscure and obvious, to the console series.

TwentyGlyphs
02-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Here's the picture of the footprints on the stairs that I talked about earlier:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9913/photofeb2565543pm.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/photofeb2565543pm.jpg/)

I think any theory on the footprints has to take into account why they don't appear until you leave the Animus for the first time in Sequence 2, and why they disappear when you leave the Animus at the end of the game. Also, why would footprints make marks in Eagle Vision? An interesting thing to note is we're not sure what makes marks that are visible in Eagle Vision other than blood.

I'm also starting to think that red only means hostile when a person is highlighted in red. When writings are in red, I don't think it means anything. In fact, all the symbols seen in Eagle Vision in the present, whether written in Subject 16's blood or the ones we see in the villa and Juno's Vault, are all red.

In the end, I think there's just no way we'll know what the red trail means until we get more information. Like was said earlier, the symbols at the end of AC1 weren't clues for the next game, but are symbols that mean something about the entire Assassin's Creed world/concept. They just want to keep us guessing.

tH3PatRi0Tx1776
02-25-2011, 10:23 PM
Maybe it has to do something with Subject 16? Subject 16 did say that he will always be with Desmond. Is it possible that Subject 16's consciousness is being embedded in Desmond's mind through the bleeding effect???

AMuppetMatt
02-26-2011, 12:01 PM
Looking at firstly how the footprints remain visible and secondly how they're positioned on the steps we need to dispel the idea that they are LITERAL footprints. What alternatives are we left with?

Glyph
Some sort of warning sign (maybe from 16)
A coded or some sort of message
EDITED INFO:
Blood (thanks to rocketxsurgeon)

What else?

(And no-one say a way back to show the way back to the Villa, Cory already explained why that was dumb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

rocketxsurgeon
02-26-2011, 12:31 PM
Someone said something about blood.

What if its not the person walking that's bleeding, but rather someone elses blood?

SWJS
02-26-2011, 12:33 PM
Look carefully at the footprints. On the steps they don't look like footprints, they look like a viscous, slimy liquid. I'm thinking blood. You can see what looks like blood dripping off of the "footprints" too.

rocketxsurgeon
02-26-2011, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
Look carefully at the footprints. On the steps they don't look like footprints, they look like a viscous, slimy liquid. I'm thinking blood. You can see what looks like blood dripping off of the "footprints" too.

It literally looks like someones stepped in a pool of blood, and is now walking around with it on the bottom of their shoe.

the cookinator
02-27-2011, 01:58 PM
I agree that it could just be a red herring or blood but it could also have something to do with the animus/bleeding effect because they only appear after you've given enough power to the animus and gone into it and then they dissapear once all the power goes off in the sanctuary so maybe the animus has something to do with it

BellsMorte
02-27-2011, 02:39 PM
Someone probably said this before but I was thinking the other day... targets leave a golden trail when you look at them with eagle vision... I don't remember if enemies leave a trail too, I'll have to check that, but it could be the trail of an enemy. This idea would lead to all of the theories related to Lucy being a double agent and still be helping the Templars, BUT... what if the trail is 16 showing Desmond where was the Shroud hidden? And with this info start the search for it? I don't think the Shroud is at Monteriggionni, but Mario did hide it under there. May be there's something else down there? Something 16 wants Desmond to find?

I still think Lucy is a Templar, but may be the trail is not related to enemies but related to 16... hmmm... :P

TwentyGlyphs
02-28-2011, 01:03 AM
That's an interesting point about the red trail only showing up when the Animus has power. However, I am pretty sure that after setting up the power before Sequence 2, you have the chance to explore outside before re-entering the Animus. I believe there's no time limit during this time, and also no artifacts and no red trail. So the Animus has power at this point, but there isn't a red trail yet. I think it only appears when you select Leave Animus yourself. I think something is fishy with the Leave Animus option.

There's also the issue of the glitch that happens after you complete the Truth — I don't think it's a glitch. Everyone who finishes the Truth before the end of the game is seeing it, and I haven't seen Ubisoft say anything about it yet. I just saw it myself on my game with Title Update 3 applied. Why would they have not fixed this glaring bug by now? It's also interesting that you're stuck in the Animus during the glitch. Could it be some kind of metaphor for how Desmond himself is stuck in the Animus? I have no theories because there's not enough info, but I think that glitch is telling of how something weird is happening with the Leave Animus option. Also, Desmond has this to say:

"I saw 16, I think. I don't know whether it actually happened. It feels like a dream."

Another point is that I find it odd that you only have a time limit for exploring Monterrigioni when you select Leave Animus, but not before Sequence 2 or after Sequence 9. Why a time limit then but not the other times? And why can't you walk past the clue that Ezio left on the wall during this sequence either? Something is definitely very different when you select Leave Animus.

One last point is that the trail does not end at the well where the Shroud was hidden. You can renovate the well in AC2, and the well is to the right of the villa, not at the bottom of the stairs. Also, Mario's description in Project Legacy is consistent with what the well is like when you explore it for a treasure chest in AC2. The red trail does pass the boarded-up well entrance, but where it ends is just some kind of drainage ditch.

AMuppetMatt
02-28-2011, 11:56 AM
Insightful and interesting as always Corie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Again you touch on some interesting points, and certainly how it has been managed gives the suggestion that the animus could indeed be the catalyst for the red trail. The subject 16 glitch is annoying, but I do notice that when I raised the issue a couple of months ago there was no reply with a successful "escape" from the animus to talk to Shaun, Rebecca or Lucy (you would expect this seeing as, to me anyway, it's the most important and integral part in the AC storyline right now). Surely a glitch that has appeared to EVERYONE that's played the game through would have been noticed in testing? You can't overlook something that happens as far as I'm aware 100% of the time as I'm yet to hear a time where it doesn't. Curiouser and curiouser... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm going to link you to a thread I made about a week ago, it discusses various points and for reasons I'm yet to understand was moved to the Hints & Tips section of the forum. By all means check it out if you're interested in a couple of my thoughts, however it goes off on a little bit of a tangent, so if you're interested ONLY in the red trail then I'd advise to just stick to this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"Something isn't Right [SPOILERS]" ( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...408/m/3281091219/p/1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/3281091219/p/1)
)

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 10:17 AM
Hey Rocket, could you pay a visit to my thread? I know you are into finding good explanations for things and I kind of need that now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/6711060319 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6711060319)

thanks in advance
Silencio_NL
Master Assassins

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by BellsMorte:
Someone probably said this before but I was thinking the other day... targets leave a golden trail when you look at them with eagle vision... I don't remember if enemies leave a trail too, I'll have to check that, but it could be the trail of an enemy. This idea would lead to all of the theories related to Lucy being a double agent and still be helping the Templars, BUT... what if the trail is 16 showing Desmond where was the Shroud hidden? And with this info start the search for it? I don't think the Shroud is at Monteriggionni, but Mario did hide it under there. May be there's something else down there? Something 16 wants Desmond to find?

I still think Lucy is a Templar, but may be the trail is not related to enemies but related to 16... hmmm... :P

Just to clarify, eagle vision is purely perceptive (as far as i know), meaning that Desmond sees Lucy in gold. Why would her footprints be red?

Another thing. The shroud was hidden underneath the villa, but i remember that it was moved somewhere else, the location of it now is unknown. Perhaps someone was looking for it and had no luck?

The thing that gets me though is that the red trail is a double helix! Its not apparent until you look at it from above, but its very clear. It looks like a double helix to desmond for one reason... Who ever it is must have some genetic relation to Desmond.

Maybe it's just me, but the footprints don't look like they're from one person. Either that, or someones gone to the trouble to lay a thick path there (in comparison to other paths we have seen, which are a lot smaller to this).

Theres only one person i could think of, that would be in the mindset to go to the trouble of creating a path like that.

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 11:38 AM
and which person may that be rocket?

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 11:48 AM
Well who has the mindset thats unstable?

Kind of crazy?

Kind of exteme?

16... :P

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 12:17 PM
hehe, that was my thought too but I'm don't know much about the AC story, maybe you could explain it in a pm sometime.

magesupermaster
03-02-2011, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by WalterLenssen:
hehe, that was my thought too but I'm don't know much about the AC story, maybe you could explain it in a pm sometime.

Or better yet, play the first two AC games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You can also read articles on the AC wiki if you don't want to buy and play them.

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 01:31 PM
well I'm very low budget right now. AC wiki might be a good idea. tnx MageMaster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rocketxsurgeon
03-03-2011, 10:24 AM
I think the most important thing to highlight here, is that the trail is a double helix :P

SolidSage
03-03-2011, 10:41 AM
16 is dead and only exists as a genetic imprint INSIDE the Animus...Ghost in the machine as it were.
The big shocker is that, SO IS DESMOND, long dead and existing inside the Animus, he just hasn't realized it yet, 16 is trying to help with that.

What's that got to do with the red trail? I don't know, maybe a digital overlay by 16 to get Desmond' s attention and try to communicate with him. 16 can't accumulate a lot of energy inside the machine right, and he's been in it so long, and bounced through so many different memories that his mind has rifted and he can't always remember who HE actually is, therefore needing a real effort of will to gather his focus together to represent himself AS himself in order to talk to Desmond, who apparently faces the same fate.

Ghosts in the machine. Just a theory.

LxLAS3RzZz
03-03-2011, 12:42 PM
16 is dead and only exists as a genetic imprint INSIDE the Animus...Ghost in the machine as it were.
The big shocker is that, SO IS DESMOND, long dead and existing inside the Animus, he just hasn't realized it yet, 16 is trying to help with that.

What's that got to do with the red trail? I don't know, maybe a digital overlay by 16 to get Desmond' s attention and try to communicate with him. 16 can't accumulate a lot of energy inside the machine right, and he's been in it so long, and bounced through so many different memories that his mind has rifted and he can't always remember who HE actually is, therefore needing a real effort of will to gather his focus together to represent himself AS himself in order to talk to Desmond, who apparently faces the same fate.

Ghosts in the machine. Just a theory.

While Desmond being dead the whole time would likely be one of the biggest mind 'fudges' I've ever got, I must say it would be just a terrible, terrible end or whatever to find out the whole time Desmond is just dead and we've been playing a ghost and my face would simply be:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AMuppetMatt
03-03-2011, 12:44 PM
Is it bad that I would actually like that as an ending? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm sticking by my guns and saying that Desmond IS 16... somehow. Don't ask how, just accept http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

WalterLenssen
03-03-2011, 01:48 PM
well I don't think 16's dead. When your done with the truth missions you get the throphy: I am alive! Could this also mean: I am alive inside the animus. so many questions, and just a few to no answers. and off course, so interesting!

SolidSage
03-03-2011, 03:36 PM
Okay [SPOILER] [SPOILER]. So after 100% sync and completing the game and the TRUTH you get to run through a VR type environment, at the end you meet 16, all digital and shiz, he's having issues maintaining corporeal form (inside the animus) but tries to relay to Desmond something, that TO ME, sounded like he was saying that everything Desmond was chasing currently had already happened, like it was ALL the past. Like Desmond was in a memory of a memory.

Maybe 16 is Dezzy's Dad or Desmond or something, I dunno but he seems to be able to access the same memories, maybe he's just Uber-Animus guy now and can go where he likes.
Anyway, I kind of like it as a possibility, feels all Matrixy/Inceptionish and what not which to me is the best part of the story, like We are subjects, accessing memories through OUR Animus (Xbox/PS/PC).
I know I'm usually laying back, chilled out with a headset, mic and controller...all hooked up to it, with a female periodically checking on my well being. Then there's that darn employer always interfering. You dig.

WalterLenssen
03-03-2011, 03:43 PM
ye, he is also telling Desmond about another solar flare and his sun. at least I think another solar flare is coming. in the chat he says: The sun ... Your son. I know for sure that this is correct, as I translated it from my Dutch subtitles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

we are going a little off topic, aren't we? ;d

SolidSage
03-03-2011, 04:28 PM
Maybe Desmond's son is the one who is really in the Animus and Desmond needs to connect with him (while being lost in memories as a Ghost in the machine?) and tell him how to stop the Solar flare????? Getting a bit crazy now.

Yeah, we're off topic so, how about that red trail? Not sure about Rocket's double helix theory, I thought the trail's purpose for existing was to lead you from the back of the villa to the grate where you find the first of the five hidden treasures, Mario's sword. What 16 or anyone has to do with hidden treasures or anything is beyond me.

Maybe it WAS some villain's trail, who went to the well and nabbed the shroud? All these conspiracies in this game (real and imagined) make it hard for me to keep up to be honest.

AMuppetMatt
03-04-2011, 12:16 PM
Just to reitterate, the footprints make a continuous double helix shape, which means whoever did that did in ON PURPOSE. No-one or group of people walk like that, so this suggests however or WHOever made them did it with intent. At the moment we've only encountered one individual who hides things in cryptic messages, symbols and codes. 16.
THAT'S why I think 16 did it.
And THAT'S why I think we're still in the animus, because 16 has no physical body. Mentally he MAY be alive in the animus (it's unclear if he is mentally alive or if everything was prerecorded by himself), but he has no physical means to make something in real life. And that's why I think the red trail indicates we are still inside the animus.

And again, to reitterate, it isn't a way to get back to the Villa. It's in an elevated position and the tallest structure in Monteriggioni, AND it auto transports you to the Sanctuary after 10 minutes, making finding it in a hurry of absolutely no importance.

It's no unreasonable to assume it's 16 based on the evidence we have, therefore it's not unreasonable to assume we're still in the animus at the time we view it based on the evidence we have. Any takers to argue against? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (I love a good debate)

BellsMorte
03-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I think the most important thing to highlight here, is that the trail is a double helix :P

Yes, the double helix thing is what made me stop yelling "TEMPLARS! TEMPLARS!" and actually think that it could be 16 trying to tell Desmond something.

The idea of Lucy glowing blue when she's with Desmond and red when she's "betraying" them comes from the fact that, as you said, eagle vision is perceptive and may be Lucy plays the part of an ally when she's with Desmond (hence the blue glow) and the part of a Templar when she's with her other friends (red glow). But this is more than a bit of a stretch... Too conspiratory, even for me!

Still, I managed to read the comic about Aquilus thanks to a friend who speaks French (god bless her! haha) and that changed everything...

**SPOILERS - if you haven't read Aquilus comic and you don't want to get it spoiled then read no further! - SPOILER** Highlight to read.

<span class="ev_code_WHITE">The whole story of Aquilus revolves around the finding of the Cross of Ankh, which can bring the dead back to the world of the living for a very short period of time. The last image of the comic hints at the Cross being hidden at Monteriggionni... So... what if the trails points at where the cross is hidden? And what if that's the new target instead of the Shroud and they use it to bring Lucy back, just for moment, so she can confess? Or give away the biggest secret as of yet? I don't know, that comic book seriously messed up every theory I had taken the time to come up with... There are differences with the game but there are other things, like that cross, that simply changes everything. I don't know if they'll pay attention to it in the next game but I do think that it should be considered at least as a possibility.</span>

Mic_92
03-04-2011, 08:08 PM
Wow, I never noticed that double helix thing.

Now I seriously doubt Lucy did that but who could have done it and why?

Whoever it was must've looked like a complete ****** doing it though.

rocketxsurgeon
03-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by BellsMorte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I think the most important thing to highlight here, is that the trail is a double helix :P

Yes, the double helix thing is what made me stop yelling "TEMPLARS! TEMPLARS!" and actually think that it could be 16 trying to tell Desmond something.

The idea of Lucy glowing blue when she's with Desmond and red when she's "betraying" them comes from the fact that, as you said, eagle vision is perceptive and may be Lucy plays the part of an ally when she's with Desmond (hence the blue glow) and the part of a Templar when she's with her other friends (red glow). But this is more than a bit of a stretch... Too conspiratory, even for me!

Still, I managed to read the comic about Aquilus thanks to a friend who speaks French (god bless her! haha) and that changed everything...

**SPOILERS - if you haven't read Aquilus comic and you don't want to get it spoiled then read no further! - SPOILER** Highlight to read.

<span class="ev_code_WHITE">The whole story of Aquilus revolves around the finding of the Cross of Ankh, which can bring the dead back to the world of the living for a very short period of time. The last image of the comic hints at the Cross being hidden at Monteriggionni... So... what if the trails points at where the cross is hidden? And what if that's the new target instead of the Shroud and they use it to bring Lucy back, just for moment, so she can confess? Or give away the biggest secret as of yet? I don't know, that comic book seriously messed up every theory I had taken the time to come up with... There are differences with the game but there are other things, like that cross, that simply changes everything. I don't know if they'll pay attention to it in the next game but I do think that it should be considered at least as a possibility.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know that before the shroud was hidden under the villa, though it was moved to an unknown location. It possed powers to bring people back to life, though the shroud would often speak to its user, telling them lies and harsh truths, making them doubt the people around them. It would normally send it's user crazy, but if this shroud was used on Lucy, would it breed the same effect?

swiftkinfe
03-05-2011, 04:37 PM
I wouldnt mind the ankh being used to bring lucy back if it came down to it.But if you look on project legacy I belive in the holiday memorys, the shroud ended up in templar hands.The ankh could work however if the shroud couldnt bring back brutus whats the ankh going to do for lucy?

SWJS
03-05-2011, 06:10 PM
Now I seriously doubt Lucy did that but who could have done it and why?

Whoever it was must've looked like a complete ****** doing it though.
It was made by the conga-dancing citizens when Ezio lead the dance at Claudia's party!

... Sorry. Sorry. I had to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FlailingAmigo
03-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Open the door.

Get on the floor.

Everybody walk the dinosaur.

maxl1ne
03-25-2011, 10:12 PM
My thoughts when I saw it were maybe that it was the power from the routers that Rebecca had Des put in the power boxes. It seems that's where they would all conjoin to go into the villa. Not that he can see the power, but it just might be a programming mistake due to that.
Or, maybe it has to do with the underground area leading down to where the AC crew are hiding to use the Animus. Maybe something happened when they copied and pasted the layout, and they just forgot to fix it? Because if they don't show up until after you open up the lair under the villa, it might make sense.
My point is, it might not be something so deep as what everyone is guessing, cuz last I knew... People didn't walk on the vertical part of the steps...

El_Sjietah
03-26-2011, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by maxl1ne:

My point is, it might not be something so deep as what everyone is guessing, cuz last I knew... People didn't walk on the vertical part of the steps...

It's called sloppy texturing. People are reading too much into this. Ubisoft is still made up off people and people make mistakes. The fact that footprints are stretched over vertical parts of stairs is not some secret clue or ectoplasm, it's just a problem with the way textures work.

Pavan_NL
03-26-2011, 01:08 PM
So I was like following the red trail, then I further explored Monteriggioni and found some newspapers next to a garbage bin.
And guess what? One of them was in Dutch!

Surely this information will prove invaluable!

samward
03-26-2011, 01:55 PM
so I am confused, why do we think that the red pathway is a double helix and not footprints? They look like footprints to me. Also why is a newspaper in a ditch relevant?

As far as the Lucy thing, I think there is some major flaws there. I really really don't think that his eagle vision is subject to what he thinks of people. Simply because there is /are sooooo many instances where eagle vision has to be used to find a target that the main character has never seen. How would that work? I am interested to see how Ubi explains why Lucy is blue in eagle vision.

Also weird that the trail goes ONLY from the bottom of the stair case up to the edge of the Mario's office. NO footsteps leading inside or leading thought the city and to the front gate. Very weird, they just appear out of nowhere and disappear out of nowhere.... it also appears that there is either multiple people walking the pathway or one person walking it several times...also strange....

El_Sjietah
03-26-2011, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by samward:

As far as the Lucy thing, I think there is some major flaws there. I really really don't think that his eagle vision is subject to what he thinks of people. Simply because there is /are sooooo many instances where eagle vision has to be used to find a target that the main character has never seen. How would that work? I am interested to see how Ubi explains why Lucy is blue in eagle vision.

Remember the Thief mission that had you follow a thief that turned out to be a traitor? He was yellow the entire time and only turned red when he sprung his ambush.

Not that I'm saying it's deffinately Lucy, but eagle vision isn't 100% failproof (atm).

crash3
03-26-2011, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

I know what you mean, we still don't know why she disappeared, but i don't think Lucy is a templar.

Maybe she's holding back information with good intentions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LUCY DOESNT DISAPPEAR round about sequence 4 or 5 go outside the sanctuary lucy is right there as soon as you get outside the villa you can talk to her and she talks about how she doesnt know how much longer she can keep running and hiing then desmond reassures her (im not denying maybe she could be a templar but i think theres something more complicated goin on i dont think Ubisoft will be that predictable)

El_Sjietah
03-26-2011, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by crash3:

LUCY DOESNT DISAPPEAR round about sequence 4 or 5 go outside the sanctuary lucy is right there as soon as you get outside the villa you can talk to her and she talks about how she doesnt know how much longer she can keep running and hiing then desmond reassures her (im not denying maybe she could be a templar but i think theres something more complicated goin on i dont think Ubisoft will be that predictable)

This is true. However, the sequence after that, she disappears completely. She wasn't in the sanctuary and I tried to find her outside, but she wasn't there either. The fact that the footprints stop at the spot Lucy is standing outside could also mean something.

Again, I'm not arguing either side, just trying to keep the speculation as accurate as possible.

samward
04-18-2011, 04:35 AM
So I just finished ACB again and this time I thought I would pay attention to when the red trail starts to show up. It does not appear when you are out re-routing the power for the animus. It first shows up after you get your watch and ear piece and venture out on your own for the first time. But at the end of the game I did not stop at the 72 triangle symbol and instead went outside, the red trail is gone... an oversight by the creators? Maybe... just thought I would pass it on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Blind2Society
04-18-2011, 05:11 AM
Oddly enough I almost saved this thread from the overpowering black hole that is any page past 2. I thought, however, all available information on the subject has already been revealed and we will not find out more until AC3.

lilbacchant
04-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Blind2Society:
Oddly enough I almost saved this thread from the overpowering black hole that is any page past 2. I thought, however, all available information on the subject has already been revealed and we will not find out more until AC3.

Yep, and to sum up so far:

- The trail doesn't appear until after you get in the animus the first time at the Villa, and is gone when you get out for the last time.

- Some say it looks like a double helix (i.e., DNA), others say Meh!

- Some say it's evidence that Lucy, Shaun, and/or Rebecca are templars, others say Meh!

- Some say it's evidence that (other) templars (think the "white van" from the emails) have been snooping, others say Meh!

- Some say it's representative of Ezio's bloodtrail left after Cesare's attack on the Villa, others say Meh!

- Some say it was somehow put there by Subject 16 for some unknown reason, others say Meh!

- Some say it has to do with the Shroud POE that was at one time buried under the Villa's well, others say Meh!

- Some of us think it was simply meant to be a path for noobs to find their way back into the villa, others say, "What?! It HAS to mean SOMETHING."

- Others will inevitably continue to blindly add to this thread with ideas or observations that have already been mentioned or discussed several times.

Bontycho
04-20-2011, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by BellsMorte:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I think the most important thing to highlight here, is that the trail is a double helix :P

Yes, the double helix thing is what made me stop yelling "TEMPLARS! TEMPLARS!" and actually think that it could be 16 trying to tell Desmond something.


I was thinking it could be S16 warning Desmond about an attack from the Templars that may happen in the next game. S16 might've presented it like that to show Desmond and the rest a way out to escape from them. Then again, we don't know if this will happen because of Rebbecca's and Shaun's reaction to Desmond stabbing Lucy at the end of AC:B.

El_Sjietah
04-20-2011, 12:07 PM
How did 16 get involved in all of this?

He's a manifestation inside the Animus. There's no way he can manipulate the outside world.

crash3
04-20-2011, 03:01 PM
either the red trail thing will be revealed in the next dlc or why dont we just wait until AC3?

lilbacchant
04-20-2011, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
How did 16 get involved in all of this?

He's a manifestation inside the Animus. There's no way he can manipulate the outside world.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
Shhh. They're so cute when they're imagining ....

Blind2Society
04-20-2011, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
How did 16 get involved in all of this?

He's a manifestation inside the Animus. There's no way he can manipulate the outside world.
Maybe Subject 16 visited Monterriggioni in the animus at some point and left a mark that Desmond is now seeing using EV.


Originally posted by crash3:
either the red trail thing will be revealed in the next dlc or why dont we just wait until AC3?
Why don't we just not discuss it and wait for them to tell us? Why don't we just do away with with the discussion forums and just have a technical help and suggestion forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for the helix deal, if you look at it at different points and at different angles, it starts to look a lot less like an intentional helix shape. Though, that is not to say it isn't.

El_Sjietah
04-21-2011, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by Blind2Society:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
How did 16 get involved in all of this?

He's a manifestation inside the Animus. There's no way he can manipulate the outside world.
Maybe Subject 16 visited Monterriggioni in the animus at some point and left a mark that Desmond is now seeing using EV.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then he'd only see it when he's inside the Animus as well. Subject 16 can't influence real life, just the representation of it inside the Animus.

Blind2Society
04-21-2011, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
How did 16 get involved in all of this?

He's a manifestation inside the Animus. There's no way he can manipulate the outside world.
Maybe Subject 16 visited Monterriggioni in the animus at some point and left a mark that Desmond is now seeing using EV.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then he'd only see it when he's inside the Animus as well. Subject 16 can't influence real life, just the representation of it inside the Animus. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yea, I guess your right. However, this makes me think. How can Subject 16 implant such things? The data that would need to be altered is in desmonds DNA not the animus itself so how does that work? ...I think I need to post this thought in the Subject 16 thread I made.

dchil279
04-22-2011, 11:32 AM
The red trail is a red herring

lilbacchant
04-22-2011, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Blind2Society:
How can Subject 16 implant such things? The data that would need to be altered is in desmonds DNA not the animus itself so how does that work?

Remember that the Animus is essentially just a computer that can access DNA memories, not unlike how computers today are used in DNA analysis; albeit its VR capabilities are substantially more advanced than anything in RL.

AC2 heavily implied that S16 had hacked the animus core (i.e., the source code); the glyphs being little executables triggered by specific conditions. (Remember: Lucy copied the Animus Core at abstergo at the beginning of AC2, which was then transferred to Rebecca's Animus 2.0.) Conceptually, what S16 did is what many sophisticated viruses, trojans, etc. do, or are capable of, in RL.

AC:B, of course, has complicated this a bit as S16 seems to somehow still be hacking in the present, at least that's what the Truth VR executable seemed to suggest. And, of course, the final Truth trophy was called "IAMALIVE".

So, either that final Truth executable and trophy are curveballs that we're misinterpreting as fastballs, or one of three possible theories leap out:

1) S16 didn't die as stated in AC1 and AC2, AND is somehow still able to hack into the animus (despite it being secreted underneath the villa in AC:B).

2) When he hacked the animus originally, he was able to use code with some sort of AI (not unlike that which the TWCB holograms have).

3) S16 somehow exists within the animus code as a sentient being, a ghost in the machine, if you will.

The first theory, of course, is the only one that'd *allow* S16 to be involved in the creation of the red trail. It's also the one that makes the least sense given all of the info about S16 in AC1 and AC2. I.e., it'd have to completely "turn on it's head" the story portions in the previous two games about S16, AND it'd have to explain how he still has access to the animus.

buckilla13
05-19-2011, 02:06 AM
OK way late on this, but Ive been just reading over this thread and no one that ive seen has suggested this so just gonna throw it out there. The red trail goes from the drain to marios office. Well my first instinct is that there is something in the drain. Maybe thats where the abstergo spy is hiding or where Lucy or whoever is leaving stuff for the enemy to pick up or maybe even something or someone is hiding out down there? and on a dull note, prob incorrect though and not very likely. Whoever is getting supplies is just getting water out of there but that would defeat the purpose of the well. Any thoughts?

CriminalOcean43
06-27-2011, 09:39 PM
It's probably just me, but has anyone noticed the way Rebecca looks at you when you get in the Animus after getting out?

I don't like that smile on her face.
It makes me think something's up.

@coryplayspiano Good eye! Something is up with that Leave Animus Leave Animus option. It wasn't there before. So, why now? There has to be an underlying reason.

And to be on topic, the 'footsteps' looks like a double helix on the roof.

CriminalOcean43
06-27-2011, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by samward:
so I am confused, why do we think that the red pathway is a double helix and not footprints? They look like footprints to me. Also why is a newspaper in a ditch relevant?

As far as the Lucy thing, I think there is some major flaws there. I really really don't think that his eagle vision is subject to what he thinks of people. Simply because there is /are sooooo many instances where eagle vision has to be used to find a target that the main character has never seen. How would that work? I am interested to see how Ubi explains why Lucy is blue in eagle vision.

Also weird that the trail goes ONLY from the bottom of the stair case up to the edge of the Mario's office. NO footsteps leading inside or leading thought the city and to the front gate. Very weird, they just appear out of nowhere and disappear out of nowhere.... it also appears that there is either multiple people walking the pathway or one person walking it several times...also strange....

I don't know if you played AC1, but right before you go to kick Masun's a**, you can see Al Mualim in blue. Meaning he was an ally. But after that, you can't use Eagle Vision on him. Then, when you fight him, he did a heel face turn (or face heel turn). From what I assume, it could've been how Altair thought of Al Mualim that made him appear blue.

Now what does this have to do with Lucy? I'm just saying. . .
It could be how Desmond sees her that makes her appear to be an ally.

I could be wrong, but. . .
With Ubi, you never know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

nponline
07-03-2011, 05:08 PM
what if, the fountain, were some sort of gate or secret hatch? it would then make sense if a trail led to it. monterigioni is like, 700 years old, who knows how many hidden chambers and passageways are hidden in it besides the ones we know about? ex. auditore crypt, the catacombes desmond and lucy use to get into the villa, and a few memories from project legacy on facebook

nponline
07-03-2011, 05:11 PM
also, maybe theres some significance that it sort of goes around the part of the villa that holds marios office?

Jexx21
07-03-2011, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by MosheDisraeli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
so I am confused, why do we think that the red pathway is a double helix and not footprints? They look like footprints to me. Also why is a newspaper in a ditch relevant?

As far as the Lucy thing, I think there is some major flaws there. I really really don't think that his eagle vision is subject to what he thinks of people. Simply because there is /are sooooo many instances where eagle vision has to be used to find a target that the main character has never seen. How would that work? I am interested to see how Ubi explains why Lucy is blue in eagle vision.

Also weird that the trail goes ONLY from the bottom of the stair case up to the edge of the Mario's office. NO footsteps leading inside or leading thought the city and to the front gate. Very weird, they just appear out of nowhere and disappear out of nowhere.... it also appears that there is either multiple people walking the pathway or one person walking it several times...also strange....

I don't know if you played AC1, but right before you go to kick Masun's a**, you can see Al Mualim in blue. Meaning he was an ally. But after that, you can't use Eagle Vision on him. Then, when you fight him, he did a heel face turn (or face heel turn). From what I assume, it could've been how Altair thought of Al Mualim that made him appear blue.

Now what does this have to do with Lucy? I'm just saying. . .
It could be how Desmond sees her that makes her appear to be an ally.

I could be wrong, but. . .
With Ubi, you never know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would think that Al Mualim didn't wish Altiar harm until Altiar decided he had to kill Al Mualim. Remember, they had a father/son relationship because of Altiar not getting love from his own parents. Maybe Al Mualim had a soft spot for Altiar and was hoping that he would decide to become a templar himself.

roostersrule2
07-03-2011, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Jexx21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MosheDisraeli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
so I am confused, why do we think that the red pathway is a double helix and not footprints? They look like footprints to me. Also why is a newspaper in a ditch relevant?

As far as the Lucy thing, I think there is some major flaws there. I really really don't think that his eagle vision is subject to what he thinks of people. Simply because there is /are sooooo many instances where eagle vision has to be used to find a target that the main character has never seen. How would that work? I am interested to see how Ubi explains why Lucy is blue in eagle vision.

Also weird that the trail goes ONLY from the bottom of the stair case up to the edge of the Mario's office. NO footsteps leading inside or leading thought the city and to the front gate. Very weird, they just appear out of nowhere and disappear out of nowhere.... it also appears that there is either multiple people walking the pathway or one person walking it several times...also strange....

I don't know if you played AC1, but right before you go to kick Masun's a**, you can see Al Mualim in blue. Meaning he was an ally. But after that, you can't use Eagle Vision on him. Then, when you fight him, he did a heel face turn (or face heel turn). From what I assume, it could've been how Altair thought of Al Mualim that made him appear blue.

Now what does this have to do with Lucy? I'm just saying. . .
It could be how Desmond sees her that makes her appear to be an ally.

I could be wrong, but. . .
With Ubi, you never know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would think that Al Mualim didn't wish Altiar harm until Altiar decided he had to kill Al Mualim. Remember, they had a father/son relationship because of Altiar not getting love from his own parents. Maybe Al Mualim had a soft spot for Altiar and was hoping that he would decide to become a templar himself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> yes that sounds reasonable as altair should of been killed after solomons temple

nponline
07-04-2011, 09:11 AM
trailing off there a little

Inorganic9_2
07-04-2011, 09:49 AM
I've often thought something was up though. Guess I'm not the only one, looking at the Rebecca point.

Like when Desmond asks how Rebecca made the animus, Rebecca gives a very "meh" hand-waving reply, something like "oh, Lucy sent me schematics"

There's also the fact that Shaun seems to be able to easily hack all of the Templar mainframes for information, whereas the Templars can't find them at all?

Also the fact that the Assassins knew about Minerva before Desmond relived the memory, as evidenced by the email from William M "we've long had our suspicions about Minerva and the vault" or something.

nponline
08-02-2011, 08:26 AM
all will be explained, in time. though inorganic is right, there is a notable amount of holes in the dialogue and plot to a point where it becomes difficult to discern if its part of the game or if its just bad timing with activating the dialogue sequences and emails. a failiure of that magnitude could throw a player off

Mikatsuki95
08-02-2011, 01:12 PM
I know I'm late here but I want to add something here if nobody has yet. When the power goes out Desmond goes back to that inscription on the wall right? I'm assuming we all went straight to it. But if you go outside and hit eagle vision you'll notice that the trail is gone.

zerocooll21
08-02-2011, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Mikatsuki95:
I know I'm late here but I want to add something here if nobody has yet. When the power goes out Desmond goes back to that inscription on the wall right? I'm assuming we all went straight to it. But if you go outside and hit eagle vision you'll notice that the trail is gone.

Nice find.

Livey833
08-04-2011, 03:12 PM
I Still think its the thief that betrayed them..
I havetn really thought fully about it, but i think its a option]

Animuses
08-04-2011, 03:29 PM
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.

nponline
08-24-2011, 08:14 AM
again, bringing up the fact that the trail leads or comes from to the fountain, signifying that if they are footprints, it would make sense if they were leading in or out of the fountain

nponline
08-24-2011, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Livey833:
I Still think its the thief that betrayed them..
I havetn really thought fully about it, but i think its a option] either its him, desmond, or the path around the villa that ezio takes during the villa attack

AntiChrist7
08-24-2011, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Animuses:
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.

i find that hard to believe, because 1) everyone who has played ACII more than 1 timepretty much knows Monterigiioni by heart
2) its not a difficult area. as soon as you stand on a rooftop you can see where the training area/the villa is

efetreis
09-12-2011, 06:34 PM
Guys, I don't know if you noticed, or if someone has already posted this on the pages before. When you get out of the animus for the last time before going to the Colisseum (if you pass through the "triangles" without activating eagle vision you can explore monteriggioni for the last time), have you noticed the red trail is not there anymore?

That made me confused. How can it disappear like that? And why at that time? Will revelations start at the point ACB ended? With Desmond and Lucy on the ground, what Rebecca and Shaun did after that, etc. Hope they will explain all these things on revelations. ^^

roostersrule2
09-12-2011, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by efetreis:
Guys, I don't know if you noticed, or if someone has already posted this on the pages before. When you get out of the animus for the last time before going to the Colisseum (if you pass through the "triangles" without activating eagle vision you can explore monteriggioni for the last time), have you noticed the red trail is not there anymore?

That made me confused. How can it disappear like that? And why at that time? Will revelations start at the point ACB ended? With Desmond and Lucy on the ground, what Rebecca and Shaun did after that, etc. Hope they will explain all these things on revelations. ^^ its probably just a glitch also what triangles

efetreis
09-12-2011, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by roostersrule2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by efetreis:
Guys, I don't know if you noticed, or if someone has already posted this on the pages before. When you get out of the animus for the last time before going to the Colisseum (if you pass through the "triangles" without activating eagle vision you can explore monteriggioni for the last time), have you noticed the red trail is not there anymore?

That made me confused. How can it disappear like that? And why at that time? Will revelations start at the point ACB ended? With Desmond and Lucy on the ground, what Rebecca and Shaun did after that, etc. Hope they will explain all these things on revelations. ^^ its probably just a glitch also what triangles </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That pyramid of triangles that you have to activate eagle vision to see some years (1421, 1422...) that is on the wall on the entrance of the sanctuary.

Samuel032593
09-12-2011, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
It could be Lucy...

"Her DNA is the key"

My first thoughts were that Lucy is a Templar and has been meeting with Templars in the town. I thought that when she disappeared, and my suspicions were bolstered even more by the red footprints and the whole ending. I'm not sure, but I swear there's something that's not right about her.

I know what you mean, we still don't know why she disappeared, but i don't think Lucy is a templar.

Maybe she's holding back information with good intentions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eagle vision displays a person's allegiance, and shows what they truly are. In order to make herself appear good, it would prolly take many years o practice that she is obviously not old enough to have. Could be wrong, but I think that she is an Assassin, and I think that her blood line is just as much tied into the story as Desmond's is. Maybe she is a descendant of Malik, and Altair and Malik both used their blood to seal the artifact that Altair hid, and he blood was gathered on his blade, but then tht begs the question, "Why not just ask her to give the blood?" At this point, who knows lol?

lukaszep
09-13-2011, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by Sticker704:
Those footprints look crazy! Something that an insane person has made. *Cough*

-

...Daniel Cross?
I assumed that the footprints were just a templar from the van that they say is outside the villa in the e-mails, but now that you've pointed out they're shaped like a double helix, i have no idea.

LightRey
09-13-2011, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by lukaszep:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sticker704:
Those footprints look crazy! Something that an insane person has made. *Cough*

-

...Daniel Cross?
I assumed that the footprints were just a templar from the van that they say is outside the villa in the e-mails, but now that you've pointed out they're shaped like a double helix, i have no idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe Desmond is just having some weird vision. It could be something that has to do with the Animus, since the double helix shape looks a lot like the Animus 2.0 menu.

xsatanicjokerx
09-13-2011, 01:38 AM
Just a thought.But has anyone tryed to sequence the gene in the footprints?

If we can find some clue into how to sequence that gene, maybe that will give us some answers. Some of the footprints seem to look a bit different to one another maybe there is something in that?

LightRey
09-13-2011, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
Just a thought.But has anyone tryed to sequence the gene in the footprints?

If we can find some clue into how to sequence that gene, maybe that will give us some answers. Some of the footprints seem to look a bit different to one another maybe there is something in that?
I very much doubt that's possible. I don't see how we could determine what represents what, if it even does represent anything.

lukaszep
09-13-2011, 10:49 AM
I could've sworn it takes years to sequence a gene..

LightRey
09-13-2011, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by lukaszep:
I could've sworn it takes years to sequence a gene..
Depends on the gene. Some are incredibly long and complex, not to mention the fact that reading genes is somewhat complicated if you have to actually take the DNA molecules and look at the sequence. However, if we could determine which parts of the footprints represent which bases it shouldn't be too hard. However, since the DNA is in its helix shape we probably wouldn't be able to see all the bases and even if we could see them it would still be near impossible to tell what exactly represents a base (if anything even does) and then determine which represents which.

xsatanicjokerx
09-13-2011, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by lukaszep:
I could've sworn it takes years to sequence a gene.. People can sequence a human genome in a couple of days now if not hours. But now looking at the pictures of the red trail i can see it's just a repeating texture.

LightRey
09-14-2011, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lukaszep:
I could've sworn it takes years to sequence a gene.. People can sequence a human genome in a couple of days now if not hours. But now looking at the pictures of the red trail i can see it's just a repeating texture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not surprised. I doubt they'd put an actual genome in there.

Jexx21
09-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Lol! It's a game, not real life. I don't think they would put something in that is so realistic like that, unless they were aiming to be the most realistic game ever created.

Poodle_of_Doom
09-14-2011, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Jexx21:
Lol! It's a game, not real life. I don't think they would put something in that is so realistic like that, unless they were aiming to be the most realistic game ever created.

Or have something fly under the radar...

Jexx21
09-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
Lol! It's a game, not real life. I don't think they would put something in that is so realistic like that, unless they were aiming to be the most realistic game ever created.

Or have something fly under the radar... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

? Explain?

Poodle_of_Doom
09-14-2011, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Jexx21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
Lol! It's a game, not real life. I don't think they would put something in that is so realistic like that, unless they were aiming to be the most realistic game ever created.

Or have something fly under the radar... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

? Explain? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just saying, I wouldn't excluded something improbible because it sounds funny. Maybe they did something that no one would ever suspect,....

Animuses
09-14-2011, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Animuses:
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.
As simple as this.

twenty_glyphs
09-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Animuses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Animuses:
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.
As simple as this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This still makes no sense to me. If someone is so inexperienced at the game that they need this, they may not even realize they can pop on eagle vision to see the trail in the first place. On top of that, the trail starts at the base of the stairs that lead up to the villa, so it's almost useless since you might be lost in the town itself. More than that, the first time you're in Monterrigioni as Desmond, you've already played through that area as Ezio and followed that same path. And if you stay out until the 10 minute timer counts down to zero, you get transported back to the sanctuary automatically.

The final hole in this is that the time you would really need it would be the first time you need to travel back to the villa from town, right? That would be after you set up the electricity with the devices in town, and the red trail does not exist at that point in the game. It only shows up after you first choose "Leave Animus" once Sequence 2 starts. So if the trail is there to help you find your way back, it does a really terrible job of that and doesn't even exist the first time you would need it.

Poodle_of_Doom
09-14-2011, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Animuses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Animuses:
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.
As simple as this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This still makes no sense to me. If someone is so inexperienced at the game that they need this, they may not even realize they can pop on eagle vision to see the trail in the first place. On top of that, the trail starts at the base of the stairs that lead up to the villa, so it's almost useless since you might be lost in the town itself. More than that, the first time you're in Monterrigioni as Desmond, you've already played through that area as Ezio and followed that same path. And if you stay out until the 10 minute timer counts down to zero, you get transported back to the sanctuary automatically.

The final hole in this is that the time you would really need it would be the first time you need to travel back to the villa from town, right? That would be after you set up the electricity with the devices in town, and the red trail does not exist at that point in the game. It only shows up after you first choose "Leave Animus" once Sequence 2 starts. So if the trail is there to help you find your way back, it does a really terrible job of that and doesn't even exist the first time you would need it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It extends further than the base of the stairs actually. It goes all the way to the drain, where the Assassin logo is. It seems like the (I assume it's) blood had been drained into, or something (a body perhaps) had been placed into it.

LightRey
09-15-2011, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Animuses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Animuses:
The red trail is for the few people who can't find their way back to the Sanctuary.
As simple as this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This still makes no sense to me. If someone is so inexperienced at the game that they need this, they may not even realize they can pop on eagle vision to see the trail in the first place. On top of that, the trail starts at the base of the stairs that lead up to the villa, so it's almost useless since you might be lost in the town itself. More than that, the first time you're in Monterrigioni as Desmond, you've already played through that area as Ezio and followed that same path. And if you stay out until the 10 minute timer counts down to zero, you get transported back to the sanctuary automatically.

The final hole in this is that the time you would really need it would be the first time you need to travel back to the villa from town, right? That would be after you set up the electricity with the devices in town, and the red trail does not exist at that point in the game. It only shows up after you first choose "Leave Animus" once Sequence 2 starts. So if the trail is there to help you find your way back, it does a really terrible job of that and doesn't even exist the first time you would need it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It extends further than the base of the stairs actually. It goes all the way to the drain, where the Assassin logo is. It seems like the (I assume it's) blood had been drained into, or something (a body perhaps) had been placed into it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The drain is at the base of the stairs.

Poodle_of_Doom
09-15-2011, 12:42 AM
Well, I'm aware of that. However, I'd say that there is a distinct seperation between the base of the stares and the drain, by a margin of a few feet. It just seemed a significant enough of a seperation to make a distinction in my mind.

LightRey
09-15-2011, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Poodle_of_Doom:
Well, I'm aware of that. However, I'd say that there is a distinct seperation between the base of the stares and the drain, by a margin of a few feet. It just seemed a significant enough of a seperation to make a distinction in my mind.
I guess, but I think that's what he meant.

Gil_217
09-15-2011, 02:22 PM
LMAO at people saying the red trail is for people who can´t find the way back to the sanctuary

LightRey
09-15-2011, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Gil_217:
LMAO at people saying the red trail is for people who can´t find the way back to the sanctuary
LMAO at the people that actually needed the trail for that.

Animuses
09-15-2011, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Gil_217:
LMAO at people saying the red trail is for people who can´t find the way back to the sanctuary
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif He's laughing at me!
Seriously though, it has no significance.

LightRey
09-15-2011, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Animuses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gil_217:
LMAO at people saying the red trail is for people who can´t find the way back to the sanctuary
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif He's laughing at me!
Seriously though, it has no significance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, maybe it does, but it will probably only make sense in hindsight.

Jexx21
09-15-2011, 08:20 PM
If it was blood, wouldn't there of been marks without Eagle Vision?

And I'm pretty sure that if there were real bloody foot-prints on the ground that it would of been cornered off by local police.

LightRey
09-16-2011, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Jexx21:
If it was blood, wouldn't there of been marks without Eagle Vision?

And I'm pretty sure that if there were real bloody foot-prints on the ground that it would of been cornered off by local police.
not if it was cleaned up.