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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:29 PM
With BoB taking place in 1940, considering that Oleg and his team are Russion, and the FM's of the American planes's in FB, who in there right mind would purchase BoB?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:29 PM
With BoB taking place in 1940, considering that Oleg and his team are Russion, and the FM's of the American planes's in FB, who in there right mind would purchase BoB?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:35 PM
What's the point of this thread? Oleg stated yesterday that they are going to be putting loads of effort into making the planes better, in every way you can think of, than the FB planes - 100's of percent better. It's a bit too early to make this sort of judgement really isn't it.





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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:41 PM
If you don't like the mans sims, get off his sodding forum boyo.

Oleg did a great Job of IL-2 and FB, and I'm sure BoB will again be the cornerstone of WW2 Aviation Simulations.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:42 PM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- With BoB taking place in 1940, considering that Oleg
- and his team are Russion, and the FM's of the
- American planes's in FB, who in there right mind
- would purchase BoB?
-
-

I have a funny feeling that many people will. Including you. Moving along...

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:45 PM
And what have American planes got to do with the BoB?

SSS

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:49 PM
Microsoft Tiger wrote:::
-- considering that Oleg and his team are Russian...

Agreed! I am considering it. The only flight sims I never threw away are written by Russian programmers. All I have left is Flanker and FB. I am trying hard to picture a western programming team programming a combat flight sim.

I just cant' see it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:51 PM
for that matter, think TK, Andy Hollis, and possibly Sid Meier.

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:58 PM
Read my post in:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yxuzx

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:02 PM
Oops, did i hit a nurve?

Fact. I like FB.

Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.

Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.

Fact. they made some improvements, in 1.1b and 1.11. But the also messed up too.

I can go on and on and on, lol.

Fact is, now that i know what kind bias there is in FB towards american planes i will not be buying BoB.

These are my thoughts, if you dont agree with them, too bad.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:08 PM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- Oops, did i hit a nurve?
-
- Fact. I like FB.
-
- Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.
-
- Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.
-
- Fact. they made some improvements, in 1.1b and 1.11.
- But the also messed up too.
-
- I can go on and on and on, lol.
-
- Fact is, now that i know what kind bias there is in
- FB towards american planes i will not be buying BoB.
-
- These are my thoughts, if you dont agree with them,
- too bad.
-
-
If there just your thought, why do you call them facts?
-
-

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:09 PM
And again...

There was no P47 in the BoB

There was no P40 in the BoB (someone may correct me here but I don't think they arrived until much later on lend-lease)

In fact, there were no American planes in the BoB, unless (perhaps) you count some Catalinas (maybe?) and the odd Dakota.

Now as the Hurricane generally gets whined about as being overmodelled, and that's the only BRITISH BoB participant we can look at in FB, I'd say your hypothesis was flawed from the outset. We've no reason to suspect the Hurribus or the Spit will be undermodelled (or indeed a Blenheim, Fury, Defiant or other BRITISH participants).

SSS

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:12 PM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- Oops, did i hit a nurve?
-
- Fact. I like FB.
-
- Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.
-
- Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.
-
- Fact. they made some improvements, in 1.1b and 1.11.
- But the also messed up too.
-
- I can go on and on and on, lol.
-
- Fact is, now that i know what kind bias there is in
- FB towards american planes i will not be buying BoB.
-
- These are my thoughts, if you dont agree with them,
- too bad.
-
-
-

And of course you flew all of them in RL...wow! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:16 PM
im sure you know the exact way the p 47 and p 40 fly. in fact im sure you were an ace in both aircraft in WW2. you cant posssibly argue something you have no knowledge of.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:19 PM
Who better the produce the BOB than a Russian! Oleg can't be accused of bias in this one. I am POSITIVE that we will see the most sccurate sim ever produced with Olegs BOB!

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:32 PM
SpinSpinSugar wrote:
-
- In fact, there were no American planes in the BoB,
- unless (perhaps) you count some Catalinas (maybe?)
- and the odd Dakota.
-
-
-
Oh yes there was!
The Grumman Martlet MkI began arriving in August 1940. No. 804 Squadron based in Wick (N.E. corner of Scotland) began re-equipping with them in October, and it is credited with being the only American fighter to go into action against the Luftwaffe during the BoB. For one week of the battle./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
So perhaps our American chums will have something to fly after all./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:40 PM
I believe this is yet another thread that correctly models a roll of toilet paper.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:42 PM
Thankyou Dunkelgrun, learn something new every day!

http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/database/wildcat.htm

It's a Wildcat!

Quote :

"The Martlet was the first American-built aircraft in service with the Royal Navy to down a German aircraft (a JU-88 bomber in 1940) during the war. Martlets were flown in virtually all theatres of operation by the Royal Navy. Canadian naval aircrew flew the aircraft type on combat missions including from small escort carriers on the difficult Arctic convoys to supply Russia."

Although I don't think that would satisfy our friend Mr. Maple Tiger who seems to be under the impression the USAAF won the Battle of Britain.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:07 PM
SpinSpinSugar wrote:
- Thankyou Dunkelgrun, learn something new every day!
-
- <a
- href="http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/database/wildca
- t.htm"
- target=_blank>http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/databas
- e/wildcat.htm</a>
-
-
- It's a Wildcat!
-
- Quote :
-
- "The Martlet was the first American-built aircraft
- in service with the Royal Navy to down a German
- aircraft (a JU-88 bomber in 1940) during the war.
- Martlets were flown in virtually all theatres of
- operation by the Royal Navy. Canadian naval aircrew
- flew the aircraft type on combat missions including
- from small escort carriers on the difficult Arctic
- convoys to supply Russia."
-
- Although I don't think that would satisfy our friend
- Mr. Maple Tiger who seems to be under the impression
- the USAAF won the Battle of Britain.
-
- SSS



lol, Suger, no where in my post did i say the USAAF won the batle of britain.

I am a canadain, remember, we fought in ww2 too. Im not 100% shure but i think Canada was involved in ww2 before the US.



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:13 PM
SuspectSquirrel wrote:
- I believe this is yet another thread that correctly
- models a roll of toilet paper.
-

I think in that case it's even undermodeled /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:15 PM
SuspectSquirrel wrote:
- I believe this is yet another thread that correctly
- models a roll of toilet paper.
-

LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'm curious as to how a game designers nationality would disqualify him from making a game set in different geographical location from his own ?

Are the Guys who are making Rome Total War real Romans and Barbarians ?



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:18 PM
The Americans I am sure will be able to fly as part of the eagle squadons albeit in British A/C.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:19 PM
ryan2107 wrote:
- im sure you know the exact way the p 47 and p 40
- fly. in fact im sure you were an ace in both
- aircraft in WW2. you cant posssibly argue something
- you have no knowledge of.
-
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I wouldn't be so shure of that Ryan. Fact is im only 30 years old. Hence i wasn't born then.


Your right, Ryan, i am totaly wronge.

So um, Ryan, i get the impression that you beleave that the P-40 and 47 are acuiretly FM. Am i correct?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:27 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Maple_Tiger wrote:
-- Oops, did i hit a nurve?
--
-- Fact. I like FB.
--
-- Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.
--
-- Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.
--
-- Fact. they made some improvements, in 1.1b and 1.11.
-- But the also messed up too.
--
-- I can go on and on and on, lol.
--
-- Fact is, now that i know what kind bias there is in
-- FB towards american planes i will not be buying BoB.
--
-- These are my thoughts, if you dont agree with them,
-- too bad.
--
--
--
-
- And of course you flew all of them in RL...wow! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- Regards,
- VFC*Crazyivan


Ivan, if i hit a nurve then im sorry, but i think we bough know i didn't fly any of these planes in real life.

Any way Ivan, so what do you think ?

That the FM of the P-40 and 47 are correct?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:28 PM
a spit w/ a motor that acts like a I-153? UGH! I just hope it is just a lead to more packs that lead to the rest of the war.

Eagle squadron might be a way tho

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:30 PM
I don`t want to repeat myself mate...but i know a guy who scored 1700 points in P-47 in one flight. I guess he didn`t care about FM that much... Or maybe he is overmodeled /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:31 PM
SpinSpinSugar wrote:
-
- And again...
-
- There was no P47 in the BoB
-
- There was no P40 in the BoB (someone may correct me
- here but I don't think they arrived until much later
- on lend-lease)
-
- In fact, there were no American planes in the BoB,
- unless (perhaps) you count some Catalinas (maybe?)
- and the odd Dakota.
-
- Now as the Hurricane generally gets whined about as
- being overmodelled, and that's the only BRITISH BoB
- participant we can look at in FB, I'd say your
- hypothesis was flawed from the outset. We've no
- reason to suspect the Hurribus or the Spit will be
- undermodelled (or indeed a Blenheim, Fury, Defiant
- or other BRITISH participants).
-
- SSS

lol, Suger


Again, no where in my post did i say that the P47 or 40 was in BoB.

I mean come on man, it takes place in 1940, lol

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I was slightly curious about your issues there, Maple Tiger. The Canadians played a great part in the BoB flying British aircraft like the Hurricane and Spitfire (plus the Bomber crews) so I can't see where you're coming from banging on about US flight models for planes that shouldn't feature in that period.

The Hurricane ain't undermodelled in FB, so I'm not sure what you're worried about!

As an aside, I have no issues with the P40 in FB either.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:32 PM
Nice one Supr. Maple_Tiger is just a **** trying to get a rise. He'll be the first dweeb in line the day BoB hits the stores. stubby

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:38 PM
Supr wrote:
-
- Maple_Tiger wrote:
-- Oops, did i hit a nurve?
--
-- Fact. I like FB.
--
-- Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.
--
-- Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.
--
-- Fact. they made some improvements, in 1.1b and 1.11.
-- But the also messed up too.
--
-- I can go on and on and on, lol.
--
-- Fact is, now that i know what kind bias there is in
-- FB towards american planes i will not be buying BoB.
--
-- These are my thoughts, if you dont agree with them,
-- too bad.
--
--
- If there just your thought, why do you call them
- facts?


Thats a good point Supr. You got me on that one.



But i was trying to make a point in my post. Fact is the P-47 Fm is wronge and so is the P-40 ect.

My point is that when and if there are any US planes put into the BoB, will they be FM correctly?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:48 PM
stubby wrote:
- Nice one Supr. Maple_Tiger is just a **** trying to
- get a rise. He'll be the first dweeb in line the
- day BoB hits the stores. stubby


Thanks for the thought full comment stubby.

Im shure i could find lots of ways to insult you stubby, but i didn't post to insult, only to express what i think. I live in Canada, i dont no where you live stubby but we here in Canada say pretty much what we want. Some of us are not very nice but most of us are stubby.

Take care stubby.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:55 PM
SpinSpinSugar wrote:
-
- Yeah, I was slightly curious about your issues
- there, Maple Tiger. The Canadians played a great
- part in the BoB flying British aircraft like the
- Hurricane and Spitfire (plus the Bomber crews) so I
- can't see where you're coming from banging on about
- US flight models for planes that shouldn't feature
- in that period.
-
- The Hurricane ain't undermodelled in FB, so I'm not
- sure what you're worried about!
-
- As an aside, I have no issues with the P40 in FB
- either.
-
- SSS
-


Dont get me wrong, i like flying the P-40 and i do use this plane. It's the roll rait that Oleg and his team came up with that im not overly happy with. Other then that she's a nice bird to fly in a coop or Df server.

I realise there will not be any P-40 or 47 in BoB, but if they do get added some time down the road, will they be FM correctly?

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Message Edited on 10/06/0304:56PM by Maple_Tiger

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:59 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- I don`t want to repeat myself mate...but i know a
- guy who scored 1700 points in P-47 in one flight. I
- guess he didn`t care about FM that much... Or maybe
- he is overmodeled /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- Regards,
- VFC*Crazyivan
- http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/ivan-reaper.gif
-
- "No matter how good the violin may be, much depends
- on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy
- pilot whose plane I failed to down." Ivan Kozhedub

Sounds like this guy is very good pilot.

It sounds like your saying that the P-47 is FM correctly, Am i correct?

HelicalPropwash
10-06-2003, 06:01 PM
The thought of playing a Battle of Britain sim produced by Maddox and his staff is tantalising.

I read about the news today. It's gonna be great!

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:01 PM
The only thing he ever complains is P-47`s MG spread and i think he has a point...other then that.. He just flies it right IMO. And NO, it`s not me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:10 PM
Canadians the poor cousins of America. What is "shure"?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:19 PM
Ithink we are missing the most important thing,and that is, what kind of a rig will it take to run this new sim. From what I have read it will improve on the graphics,sound and eye candy quite abit. So while we argue over fms and dms (of which I no nothing)lets take a good look at what it will realy cost in the long run. Just my 2 cents worth.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:35 PM
off

Message Edited on 10/06/0305:36PM by Btl_Avon

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:59 PM
Geez Maple_Tiger, you should be in politics or take a page from Tie Domi's page of having a pair. You got the responses you wanted so don't act surprised or shocked. You're b%tching about a game that's scheduled to be released on 2005! WdaF? A single line of code for the new game engine hasn't even be keyed and you're passing judgement. Say whatever you want about my manors or etiquette but you went trolling, I just bit. stubby

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:05 PM
Fact. P-47 FM is wronge.
-
- Fact. P-40 FM is wronge.


These are opinions.
The only fact in those statements is that you spelt "wrong" wronge.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:14 PM
im not saying their correct or incorrect. i have no experience flying these planes. but then again neither do you

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Message Edited on 10/06/0301:14PM by ryan2107

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:18 PM
Posted by Maple Leaf : Fact is the P-47 Fm is wronge and so is the P-40 ect.

How is it a fact? Which particular Repubic and Curtiss test pilots and fighter aces flew FB and told you it was all wrong?

The only fact is vey very few people around these days actually flew those planes and would know. And I doubt that any of them have flown the modelled versions in this sim and criticised them. Therefore, to criticise the FM's is a bit like saying that the red dust on Mars is slightly redder and coarser than that on Pluto.

Many many flight tests were done on WW2 craft and came up with different and conflicting conclusions for all sorts of reasons. There is no point in even trying to pick our way through it... because the fact is...none of us really knows!

Lets just enjoy the fabulous game that Oleg has given us before he decides we are a bunch of ungrateful whining prats, and decides not to bother any longer because we're not worth the aggro, and wont appreciate it anyway.

It's a real worry of mine when I see the ammount of whining and complaining that goes on.

Then all we will have is the bubblegum game that is CFS3-4-5 or whatever, and the online leggo bricks with engines like mad wasps that is FA3.whatever

Lighten up chaps, just enjoy the game.....before there is no, patch, no addon, and no BoB, as Oleg turns to writing software for banks.

........oh yes! What on earth has the FM's of US planes got to do with the BoB anyway! lol



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:31 PM
stubby wrote:
- Geez Maple_Tiger, you should be in politics or take
- a page from Tie Domi's page of having a pair. You
- got the responses you wanted so don't act surprised
- or shocked. You're b%tching about a game that's
- scheduled to be released on 2005! WdaF? A single
- line of code for the new game engine hasn't even be
- keyed and you're passing judgement. Say whatever
- you want about my manors or etiquette but you went
- trolling, I just bit. stubby

I wouldn't think of it a b|tching, i just doudt that i will buy BoB when it come out. I enjoy flying the Jug and P-40 in FB. Actualy my favorit plane in FB right now is the P-47D27. But the roll rait for the 27 is absualty wronge. Same with the P-40. Actualy they bough roll about the same. Im not kidding, lol. Shure im whinning abitt, but it's been a while since my last whine and im having fun doing it.

I will try the demo for BoB before i decide if i like it or not.

and your not suppose to bite people stubby. Thats not normal.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:02 PM
I refer you to my earlier post, with this self-quote..."How is it a fact? Which particular Repubic and Curtiss test pilots and fighter aces flew FB and told you it was all wrong?"

Everyone knows the P40 was an 'also ran', a mediocre plane at best. How do you WANT it to roll? Like a Tie Fighter?

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:09 PM
Maple_Tiger wrote:
- With BoB taking place in 1940, considering that Oleg
- and his team are Russion, and the FM's of the
- American planes's in FB, who in there right mind
- would purchase BoB?


I will. And I am in my right mind. The American planes in FB are modeled better than in any other sim in my opinion so........

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