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Celeon999
01-11-2007, 04:47 AM
Found that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As always : Dont take everything on wikipedia as beeing 100 % true. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Axis plans to invasion of the United States during WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_plans_for_invasion_of_the_United_States_durin g_WWII)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Michiel_88
01-11-2007, 05:29 AM
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Celeon999
01-11-2007, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by Michiel_88:
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Perhaps in adolf's wildest dreams...


Thats also what i think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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hueywolf123
01-11-2007, 10:57 PM
Wikipedia is given way too much cred for something that is driven more by opinion than fact.
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klcarroll
01-12-2007, 08:59 AM
I have to agree with Hueywolf: ?.This looks like the work of some really over-active imaginations.

I am sure that there were both German and Japanese planners who considered the invasion issue, but it should have been obvious to them that the United States was quite safe from invasion.

The U.S. was protected by the same barrier that protected Russia since Napoleonic times: ??Vast distances requiring impossibly long supply lines. (?And if you think the plains west of Moscow are bad in January, ?try marching across the North Atlantic.)

In order for a German invasion to be even remotely possible, Hitler would have to have absolute control of the North Atlantic, and the skies above it. (?..And as we know from our game-play, that fantasy had all but vanished by early 1942.)

The Japanese faced the same problem, but ?in spades?. Supply lines reaching across the Pacific would have been un-defendable. This was forcibly demonstrated at the time when they found that they were unable to properly support even the small forces they landed in the Aleutian Islands.

The Japanese never controlled enough of the Pacific to consider an invasion, even after their brilliantly executed strike at Pearl Harbor eliminated a significant portion of the U.S. surface fleet.

The most the Germans or Japanese could hope to do was to conduct harassment raids (like the Doolittle raid against Tokyo); ?..And while these had psychological value, they were worthless in a strategic sense.

Even when nuclear weapons are figured into the equation, invasion would probably not have been the logical first option. If either the Germans or Japanese had developed nuclear weapons first, the most probable outcome would have been the U.S. suing for some sort of negotiated end of hostilities.

World War II was destined to be decided (or at least dramatically shortened) by the introduction of nuclear weapons; ?.and all the participants were well aware of the fact. Every major power involved had some sort of bomb related nuclear research effort under way.

One thing that has always amazed me: ?That in spite of the obvious importance of developing ?The Bomb?, the Germans continued to waste time, money, and resources on other ?top secret super-weapons? that were obviously absurd, ?.even at the time.

Busbie
01-12-2007, 07:08 PM
The Germans could not have invaded Britain let alone the United Stats. The Kriegsmarine would never have been able to proberly support landings against determined defenders, especially when the Home Fleet starts breathing down there neck.

All that of course is granting that Hitler some how managed to materialize a couple hundred landing ships.

klcarroll
01-12-2007, 11:02 PM
It's amusing to note that Napoleon's plans to invade England were frustrated by exactly the same factors!

History (particularly military history) is definately repetitive.

Messervy
01-13-2007, 10:59 AM
In wars like WWll the only thing that counts is logistics.
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TheFastFreddie
01-13-2007, 09:49 PM
Even if these we discussed or had some minor development ... they were nothing more than a "pipe dream". Germany couldn't defeat or control Russia minus well invade Britain/US. No way that Japan/Germany would have the resources or manpower to do anything other than some minor rocket or bombing attacks and certainly nothing they could ever keep up for a period of time.