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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:49 AM
I need some general information. I have already perused many of the forums here for several days now, and have been playing Forgotten Battles during that time. I've played numerous flight sims over time, but IL-2 FB is. . .err. . .different.

Specifically, I'm TERRIBLE at it.

I've never had difficulty simply keeping my plane in the air in any prior flight sim, but I sure do in this one. What did you ladies and gentlemen do to become proficient at flying in this game? Do you specialize in certain planes, flying the simpler ones (if there are any) before moving up to the more difficult models? Are there training missions above and beyond those available in the game that would help me (I've seen a few trainer files here, but don't know which would be good for me).

I'm not even going to address the issue of gunnery, at least not until I can fly decently.

Second issue:
I have noted that numerous players have aircraft in their signature pictures that are not available on Forgotten Battles (specifically, I noted a Spitfire variant in one member's signature picture). Are any of those available for download somewhere that I have simply overlooked, or are those still under developement? For the moment, this is of distantly secondary importance, since I can't fly the planes I already have very well. . .but eventually it'd be nice to be able to fly a Spitfire if it's available.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:49 AM
I need some general information. I have already perused many of the forums here for several days now, and have been playing Forgotten Battles during that time. I've played numerous flight sims over time, but IL-2 FB is. . .err. . .different.

Specifically, I'm TERRIBLE at it.

I've never had difficulty simply keeping my plane in the air in any prior flight sim, but I sure do in this one. What did you ladies and gentlemen do to become proficient at flying in this game? Do you specialize in certain planes, flying the simpler ones (if there are any) before moving up to the more difficult models? Are there training missions above and beyond those available in the game that would help me (I've seen a few trainer files here, but don't know which would be good for me).

I'm not even going to address the issue of gunnery, at least not until I can fly decently.

Second issue:
I have noted that numerous players have aircraft in their signature pictures that are not available on Forgotten Battles (specifically, I noted a Spitfire variant in one member's signature picture). Are any of those available for download somewhere that I have simply overlooked, or are those still under developement? For the moment, this is of distantly secondary importance, since I can't fly the planes I already have very well. . .but eventually it'd be nice to be able to fly a Spitfire if it's available.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:26 AM
Issue 1)Practice /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Get a steady plane(IMO Il-2 and/or hurricane) and get to know how to take off, fly, maneuver, shoot and land with him. When you got the grip on how to fly, move to the plane you like the most /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Issue 2)Those planes are from other games(CFS3 i guess) and not from FB. Some are just real life pictures though! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:38 AM
As above, and do as many quick mission as you can using a groing number of enemies, an improving their skill. lol/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 02:05 AM
Yashmak-

Go to this link below and D/L Andy's Mountain Tour

Andy's Mountain Tour is a response to the requests from new pilots for missions where they can practice take-offs and landings unhindered by enemy aircraft and AAA. The online 4 mountain map provides the setting with all airfields friendly and all flyable aircraft selectable.

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Message Edited on 06/21/0306:06PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 03:02 AM
Practice...use an IL2, Hurricane or La... They are all forgiving planes. This sim has a very steep learning curve but it is well worth the climb. That mission by Andy is nice just to explore some different maps that you would never see in the QMB. If you are in a QMB use all settings for flight characteristics like stall, headshake etc. dont go easy oin yourself there..if you want to use the open pit thats fine although the closed pit does add a different flavor to the sim. I prefer to leave the option open to me when flying offline. Just give yourself unlimmited ammo for the first month or so..or at least untill you get a feel for the weapons..then alternate so you can develope a sens for the ammo load once you get your aim together..then go limmited ammo.



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 03:23 AM
Pick a plane and learn everything about it - I fly the P-39N1.
Turn all the realism switches on and learn right the first time.
The AI will teach you bad habits like slowing down behind a wounded duck and following him - grab altitude and speed at every opportunity and attack from above.

When you can take off and land grab a copy of Hyperlobby at:

http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/

and start learning all over again online...

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:02 AM
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Tully__
06-22-2003, 07:59 AM
This sim models an aspect of flight that is "underdone" in most other sims. At low speed, you suffer very high drag due to high angle of attack. The first thing I recommend is learn to get some decent speed up (300km/h or more) before trying to fly the plane in anything but the most gentle manner. Once you get a feel for flying this sim you can venture back into the low speed regions and work on the harder aspects. Climb, turn and acceleration performance are really poor in these low speed regions.

Remember that speeds are in km/h, not knots or mph, so you're looking for much bigger numbers.

Also be aware that aircraft will stall at any speed if you're too savage with the controls. Learn to read the sound cues (and stick feel if you have force feedback) indicating approaching stall and back off. It's better to aoid a stall than to have to recover (though some pilots find a stall a useful last ditch evasive manouver in some circumstances).

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adlabs6
06-22-2003, 08:41 AM
Hello Yashmak and welcome to the community.

All the advice above is top notch. Follow it and you'll be a steady flyer before you know it.

One thing not mentioned.... A good place to practice your takeoffs landings, the multiplay mode. To set up a practice session using multiplay click 'Multiplay' then 'Create new server'. You should do this OFFLINE, the game doesn't know or care if your connected. Pick one of the summer maps, and then load it. Now you can select on a few bases and press 'Fly'. try different bases until you find a nice concrete airstrip to touch and go from, and practice till your proficient. You can spend all day doing this, just hit the 'Esc' key on you keyboard and then select 'Refly' if you crash or want to switch planes.

Good Luck! And be patient... it seems like forever, but you'll gain skills quickly. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:05 PM
Thank you all for your input. You might be interested to know that I accomplished my first successful landings last night, following said advice and using Andy's Mountain Tour.

I think I've been spoiled by my most recent game addiction (Mechwarrior4), which has FAR fewer keys to remember.

Question on multiple radiator settings:
I noted that the Hawker Hurricane MkII has several radiator settings. Now, I assume these are to modify the cooling characteristics of the engine in flight, but that more cooling probably equates to more drag. Are the lower settings MORE, or LESS cooling, and am I correct in my assumption about the cooling vs. drag issue?

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:20 PM
congrats - and another thing: as tough as it might be on your ego, train with difficulty set as high as possible. once you venture online you won't encounter a server that has a reduced flight model. cockpit off maybe and (gasp!) unlimited ammo. but the FM will practically always be on the highest difficulty setting.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:34 AM
Opening the radiator on most aircraft has several effects:

- cooling improves
- drag means lower top speed and higher fuel consumption
- low speed handling deteriorates (especially in Lagg 3)
- engine is more vulnerable to radiator damage from enemy fire



As far as the Spitfire .. there is no actual Spit yet, you probably saw a Spitfire paint skim on something similiar like a Yak.

There are some WTE squad historical RRAF Spitfire paint schemes for use on the Yak's available for free download at:


www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=WTE_Galway&ts=1056324690&comefrom=credits (http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=WTE_Galway&ts=1056324690&comefrom=credits)



or just search http://www.il2skins.com for Spitfire skins.



Message Edited on 06/23/0312:28AM by WTE_Galway

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:09 AM
wheeee. learning to take off and land is a bear. seems you got over your first hurdle. congrats and welcome - go check this site out - run by some good dudes here - worth reading from beginning to end -

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:23 AM
Only open the radiator when you have a engine overheat more than 1-2 minutes, and don't let the overheat last so long in the first place /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
But don't turn your power very low; lower the throttle to less than 100% as soon as the overheat sign apears, and leave like that for half a minute. Then you are free to go 110% again! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Obs: if a bogie is in your 6 and you have a faster plane, go to 110% even with overheat, get away from him, lower to 80% and open the radiator for a short time, don't let an overheat make you get shot down!

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:59 AM
I tried to fly a mission today, the first in the FB German Fighter campaign.

Thing is, I take off fine, get gear up, flaps up, etc. etc. Throttle is up to maximum and so forth. . .but the other planes in my group just keep pulling away from me, in spite of my being at the same altitude.

I'm trying to figure out why I can't keep up with them, sure my AI squadron mates aren't running 110% throttle all the time. . .and yet even at 100% they were pulling away from me, and yelling at me as to why I wasn't keeping up.

Any notions? The thing that got me, is that I took an external look at my plane to verify my gear were up and that the flaps really were closed. . ( wouldn't be the first time I made such a stupid oversight). . .

Gear were up, but in spite of hitting 'F' repeatedly, the flaps still appeared to be slightly open (the most inboard section on each wing). Is that normal?

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 04:55 AM
Set throttle to 103% - turn radiator to position 2 or 4(full CEM) I virtually never overheat at this setting.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 05:04 AM
Yashmak wrote:
- I tried to fly a mission today, the first in the FB
- German Fighter campaign.
-
- Thing is, I take off fine, get gear up, flaps up,
- etc. etc. Throttle is up to maximum and so forth. .
- .but the other planes in my group just keep pulling
- away from me, in spite of my being at the same
- altitude.



2 points

1) AI has a simplistic modeller that does not overheat and has a better rate of climb then your plane. If you switch to autopilot it uses the same FM and keeps up fine.

2) Even with their advantage you can still keep flying manually. Just stay close to the deck and do not climb until your airspeed reaches about 300 kmh (best rate of climb for most planes in the game) and make sure you maintain that speed as you climb.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 06:19 AM
Greetings Yashmak...
Don't feel bad, there's no need to feel like a rookie here, I know what you mean when you say 'have flown other sims' and this one is different..lol When I first experienced IL2, I had EAW, CFS1 & 2 under my belt. When I first flew an IL2 plane, I jumped right into a combat mission, didn't bother with any training or flying solo.. I couldn't even turn the thing without stalling out and smashing into the ground. But now I wouldn't trade this for anything less. I have a friend that has this sim and he's real-life pilot and now I can do maneuvers that make his head spin. As far as advice goes... Just log some hours. Manuevers come fast. Experiment with the rides and you'll find one that fits your style and then you can perfect your skill with that particular plane. Refrain from head-on attacks...the computer aims better than you..lol (there is a way to survive these and even come out on top, but it takes a while to figure it out) Gunnery comes slow, but will greatly improve your success and mortality in dogfights especially when limited ammo is the order of the day. That's about it! Keep 'em flyin'! -PJ-