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Bikewer
03-22-2005, 07:53 AM
Greater Green had a map up last night with a Germany-invades-Poland scenario. (I think it's in their regular rotation)

Great fun, we had two dozen guys buzzing around at low altitude, blazing away at each other. The little P11 can out-turn anything, but she's a mite slow, and the peashooter guns are none too effective. (lots of ammo, though!)

Havn't had that much fun since the early days of CFS1.

Bikewer
03-22-2005, 07:53 AM
Greater Green had a map up last night with a Germany-invades-Poland scenario. (I think it's in their regular rotation)

Great fun, we had two dozen guys buzzing around at low altitude, blazing away at each other. The little P11 can out-turn anything, but she's a mite slow, and the peashooter guns are none too effective. (lots of ammo, though!)

Havn't had that much fun since the early days of CFS1.

JG53Frankyboy
03-22-2005, 08:00 AM
unfortunatly the DM of the P.11 is a little bit off - but otherwise, so they have a chance agaisnt the Emils http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VOW2 has also a "poland 39" campaign - sometimes wondering how these human Emils are getting killed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ednavar
03-22-2005, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
unfortunatly the DM of the P.11 is a little bit off - but otherwise, so they have a chance agaisnt the Emils http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VOW2 has also a "poland 39" campaign - sometimes wondering how these human Emils are getting killed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy. Spray with your peashooter and if you get a hit in the emil's engine bye bye..

E.

Atomic_Marten
03-22-2005, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EdNavar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
unfortunatly the DM of the P.11 is a little bit off - but otherwise, so they have a chance agaisnt the Emils http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VOW2 has also a "poland 39" campaign - sometimes wondering how these human Emils are getting killed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy. Spray with your peashooter and if you get a hit in the emil's engine bye bye..

E. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geez m8 you are so right.

I have shot down SpitIX, LA7 and Yak3 *all in one fight* with P.11.
Ain't no joke there. Just aim for engine like EdNavar says. Once when you see smoke emiting Emil fight is over just evade him. So much for peashooter.

p1ngu666
03-22-2005, 12:24 PM
the guns arent really that effective, and 110 vs p11 would be more historic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p11 rocks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
is also undermodeled in dive speed, and we cant eject the fuel tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-22-2005, 12:39 PM
LOL...that map gets moans and groans usually when it pops up on the server, but it's such a hoot. There are a few factions at play there.

1. the Axis guys who fly smart and B&Z from altitude, but never look up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

2. the Axis guys who have no clue and try to vulch the red base only to get hit by a swarm of diving, pi$$ed P11's...and they don't look up either.

3. the Allied guys who stay at 50m and try to run down the 109's and he111's going 100kph faster than them

4. The allied pilots who take the 15 minutes to climb to 3000m south of the friendly targets and look around in pairs for the steady stream of bandits usually coming in 500m below them...that aren't looking up.


The interesting thing here is most Axis pilots have so little clue that there might be a bandit p11 jock sitting up there hovering on a thermal above them that patience can bring an easy (if infrequent) victory.

If the Blues would take a tight formation of he111's and only 2 escorts in a shallow dive, attack the targets and shallow climb out conserving "E" this map would last about 10 minutes...but they NEVER do unless I've spent 9 minutes stalking a bandit and close to the point of pulling the trigger only to have the map change.


TB

Bikewer
03-22-2005, 12:49 PM
Hehe- last night, all the 109 pilots were T&Bing to the best of their abilty; I only saw one guy realy using B&Z tactics.

Atomic_Marten
03-22-2005, 07:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bikewer:
Hehe- last night, all the 109 pilots were T&Bing to the best of their abilty; I only saw one guy realy using B&Z tactics. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder why he didn't use FW190. It is so much easier.

LStarosta
03-22-2005, 08:33 PM
Perhaps it has something to do with the 190 not being around in 1939?

It may be a longshot...

Badsight.
03-23-2005, 12:15 AM
hands up who flew the P-11 in FB v1.x ?

anyone ?

if you havent or cant recall , the P-11 is NOWHERE near as good as it used to be

once we got more Bi-planes its performance was more correctly moddeled (so has the Emil Bf109's since the Heins release)

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/clippa-nowheelRB3.jpg

bet no-one bothers to get the speed boost from the gear being raised either , bet those same people heard that "the gear doesnt rise on the P-11" & never bothered to try http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

janos71
03-23-2005, 01:02 AM
I made a little mission couple days ago with P11c vs 110, 109 and stuka. It runs on server as Poland39-mission. I've watched people and realized that P11 pilots dont get enough altitude. That's why they get murdered by the Luftwaffe boyz. Maybe I put some tips in briefing like aim at Emil's engine. Another problem is 110 and it's Mk108 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, pity can't define weaponry (or naval targets by class..). One solution could be removal of 110.

Ok, maybe I put bases too close each other, but you can get altitude by flying away from enemy first and not bravely towards it right from beginning. I also thought putting more AAA for polish side and scattering targets more widely. So expect all sorts of modifications soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Off topic, but I wish V1 (and V2 too)could be identified as plane or something when its shot down for scoring purposes. Now it has no value at all.

janos71
03-23-2005, 01:05 AM
I meant destroying V2 on the ground of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif unless you're flying X-wing

carguy_
03-23-2005, 01:57 AM
Well,getting more alt than the Luftwaffe works most of the time.

Chasing bombers is a little iritating though.
Just get in 50m range like real Polish pilots did.

janos71
03-23-2005, 02:02 AM
Naval targets by class, pity you can't define different types of naval targets, as 5 subs, 2 destroyers or so on for victory. Now it's "enemy ship destroyed". Would be very nice to do mission where for example carriers were naval targets for victory, and other types would be ignored.

tigertalon
03-23-2005, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by janos71:
Another problem is 110 and it's Mk108 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, pity can't define weaponry (or naval targets by class..). One solution could be removal of 110.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Janos,

well, yes, IMO Bf110 should be removed. It is G2 version, which is a 1943 plane. It has 2xDB605, and it has 108 option, it has 37mm option...

We should have C4 version, with 2xDB601, with 4xMg17 and 2xMgFF and with only loadout option Fuel tank. Or C4/B with bombs. But since C4 is not available, I think removing 110 would be... hm, not best, but the least bad of all bad options.

For sure it would be a slaughter, if somebody would put SpitMkIX (43 plane, because we have no MkI or MkII) into battle of britain against Emils...

Nice relaxing server. Thank you.

janos71
03-23-2005, 05:43 AM
S! Tigertalon

I decided to remove Bf-110 and add He111 for german side. Now it has more AAA , 5 planes/pilot more on polish side and base locations changed. Let's see what happens..

LeadSpitter_
03-23-2005, 08:45 AM
many things are wrong with the p11, accelaration, take off length, power to weight and lift.

Just try to take one off essex class carrier with 50 fuel or 25 fuel and the two bombs that cant even destroy a plane, you can drop them still on the runway and your plane is fine, all bombs are way to weak in game, 1000lb is more like a 250lb 500 and below are almost useless