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92SqnGCJimbo
05-04-2005, 05:41 PM
the way i see it.. (and the laws of evoloution) a creature that was almost a chicken laid the egg that contained what we now know of a chicken.. thus the egg came first....

sorry guys im bored....

Treetop64
05-04-2005, 06:02 PM
The mother who laid the egg that hatched the chicken came first.

I think...

92SqnGCJimbo
05-04-2005, 06:36 PM
it cant be as that mother wouldnt of been a chicken... it would have almost been a chicken like neanderthal were almost modern men (i know neandertal and modern man co-exsisted before u say it and modern man didnt evolve from neandertal's)...

Silencer_42
05-04-2005, 06:50 PM
What if the pre-evolution chickens gave birth to a live baby and not an egg? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

kutyaxxon
05-04-2005, 07:14 PM
i am an egg and while i was born i didn't see the chicken anywhere so i think i'm tha first timer

92SqnGCJimbo
05-04-2005, 07:15 PM
exaclty its pre evoloution and therefore not a chicken..

Yog_Shoggoth
05-04-2005, 08:25 PM
Who cares? The question we should be really asking is; which is tastier?

kutyaxxon
05-04-2005, 08:27 PM
yes,dude,u got the answer!

Waldo.Pepper
05-04-2005, 09:32 PM
The Rooster came first. (So say feminists).

Silencer_42
05-04-2005, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
The Rooster came first. (So say feminists).

Did he roll over and go to sleep? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

F4U_Flyer
05-04-2005, 10:08 PM
"Did he roll over and go to sleep?"

After he finished his cigarette! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

EnGaurde
05-04-2005, 10:22 PM
seeing reptiles became birds via evolution, a glide capable / flying lizard laid the first egg that became a bird, which then morphed over millions of years into a flightless bird we know as chickens.

what will reaaaaaally bake your noodle is....

did the universe ever have a beginning to start with... if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted into different forms, then 1000s of billions of years ago, before the theorised big bang, there must have been chickens the likes of which we cant imagine.

true, also, for the eons before that. And that. When youve always existed in some form or another that question fades into meaningless-ness.

Beginning and end applies to mans incredibly short mortal existance, not the laws of the universe.

There is no first or last, beginning or end, with states of existance there is only previous, current and next.

how was it put...? We are all made of stars?

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fordfan25
05-04-2005, 11:33 PM
speak for your self. im made up from geneticly enhanced super kriptonian porn stars.

LEBillfish
05-04-2005, 11:46 PM
There is no chicken, your mind the egg, trying to determine its creator or God, yet in its unevolved sense of knowledge so it creates something it will evolve to....A chicken, or eventually God or so it hopes. So a cycle of knowing you are less then God, yet "knowing" in your vanity you will eventually grow to be God's equal.



Sad part is, I'm hungry for a poached egg...So forget your visions of grandure as you're about to be breakfast........SO the real question is, what gets eaten first, the bacon or the egg? Darn, now I'll really have to think on that...

*puts your mind out in the trash unable to eat*
hmm just made all that BS up and it's pretty good.....I must be a chicken...worship me!!

Silencer_42
05-05-2005, 12:40 AM
"And on the fourth day the Lord madeth both Chicken and Egg, for the Chicken must have an egg to sit on to have purpose."

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fabianfred
05-05-2005, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by EnGaurde
what will reaaaaaally bake your noodle is....

did the universe ever have a beginning to start with... if matter can neither be created nor destroyed, only converted into different forms, then 1000s of billions of years ago, before the theorised big bang, there must have been chickens the likes of which we cant imagine.

true, also, for the eons before that. And that. When youve always existed in some form or another that question fades into meaningless-ness.

Beginning and end applies to mans incredibly short mortal existance, not the laws of the universe.

There is no first or last, beginning or end, with states of existance there is only previous, current and next.

how was it put...? We are all made of stars?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Enguarde... you sound like a fellow Buddhist... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AFJ_Locust
05-05-2005, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
the way i see it.. (and the laws of evoloution) a creature that was almost a chicken laid the egg that contained what we now know of a chicken.. thus the egg came first....

sorry guys im bored....

God Created the Chicken, then it laid an egg.

There are no laws of evolution

The simple Cell that Darwin based his Theory on isn't simple at all, Theres more information in a single cell to fill 16 complete volumes of the encyclopedia Britannica.


If Darwin would have had the microscopes & Telescopes we have today he would have also said there was a designer, The designer is God.

AFJ_Locust
05-05-2005, 04:23 AM
Time

Space

Matter

One cannot exist without the other, all three came into existence at the same moment.

God created them all at the same Moment.

Time has past, present & future

Space has Length, Width & Height

Matter has Solid, Liquid & Gas

If there was no Space, where would you put the matter?

If there was no Time, when would you put it?

Each of them needs the other.

Even Evolutionists will admit this fact that Time,Space & Matter all came into exzistance at the same moment. Thats NOT Evolution
Thats creation!!!

Evolution is a theory not a Law

Evolution is a Religon that Some humans grasp onto so they wont have to accept the fact that there is One True God. The Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End.

The Father, Son & Holy Spirit

John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

John 1:12
To all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

John 10:27-29
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/broadcasts/archives_77395.html

Finkeren
05-05-2005, 04:41 AM
ROFLMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
OMG Locust you crack me up!
The 'scientific' christian explanation is always good for a refreshing laugh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously though: First came the Spit then came the FW 190, then the Spit turned to a chicken-run and then the FW came and gave him egg.

major_setback
05-05-2005, 05:39 AM
Quote:

'Chicken.......egg.......grrrrrrrr)'

Homer Simpson http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

major_setback
05-05-2005, 05:50 AM
The question reminds me of a news article that was reported on in The Jay Leno Show about a year ago .....

A man from an African country (I can't recall which one) had been reported to the police by his wife because of certain indecent practices he'd been performing on a hen!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif (This was a true story).

Mr. Leno rounded off the story with the inevitable ... "So this brings us to the age old question. What came first ...."

Salfordian
05-05-2005, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by EnGaurde:
...which then morphed over millions of years into a flightless bird we know as chickens...



No way, Chickens can't fly? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Salfordian
05-05-2005, 06:47 AM
BTW, I vote egg

VF51_Flatspin
05-05-2005, 08:50 AM
In order to answer this we ALL have to agree upon the Mythology in which the question is asked. There are simply too many religions out there mucking up this scientific question. But I think basically Jimbo is on to something. The only thing I could add to it is that it was probably some dude in a white coat genetically altering a small flightless tasty bird to get what we call a "chicken" today. So I think neither the egg nor the chicken came first, it was a laboratory-supervised-embryonic sac...err...which is something like an egg...Dang it!

Oh yeah, BTW...designer eh? How about Slartibartfast or little white mice?

92SqnGCJimbo
05-05-2005, 10:06 AM
really opened a can of worms havnt i http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

but noone has answered my question with proff about what came first...

ruekesj
05-05-2005, 10:26 AM
the real truth is...

explanations are just that.

your higher being, wether it is THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, or UNIVERSAL SCIETIFIC LAW,or even petty little dieties, don't really care if they are understood, or have an inately human drive to have an explanation for everything.

sometimes the answer is just because... or *gasp* I don't know...

ZG77_Nagual
05-05-2005, 10:42 AM
The question
is
a symptom

VELCRO_FLY
05-05-2005, 04:42 PM
I am the eggman, I am the eggmen.
I am the walrus coo coo cachoo.

So, who is the walrus? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif And did he come before or after the egg . . . man?

Tailgator
05-05-2005, 05:22 PM
this is so simple

breakfast then lunch

mjr_health
05-05-2005, 08:13 PM
Evolution is a funny thing. If you put some fish in a dark cave they will eventually loose there site over time. But if you take a school of blind fish out of a cave they will never regain there site. We tend to loose things not gain them. Just like my mind AAGGGGGGGGGGGGG im going crazy. Too much thinkg. And i dont eat bacon just eggs.

I am Gods creation never came from a cess pool or any ape.

EnGaurde
05-05-2005, 10:05 PM
I am Gods creation never came from a cess pool or any ape.

the earth is flat and witches float.

the Inquisitors and Torquemada are Gods representatives.

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Silencer_42
05-05-2005, 11:37 PM
Hmm let me remember.... I made the egg first.
(GOD)

VELCRO_FLY
05-05-2005, 11:49 PM
the Inquisitors and Torquemada are Gods representatives.

Hmmm. . . If that is true then Hitler, Stalin, Osama Bin Laden etc, etc, etc are man's representatives.

Don't judge God by what man does in His name. Just like you can't judge all men by the actions of mankind.

EnGaurde
05-06-2005, 12:52 AM
velcro, i was referring to the beliefs men once had.

tongue in cheek.

not seriously claiming false prophets represent religious deities.

VELCRO_FLY
05-06-2005, 02:00 AM
EnGaurde- My mistake. Humbly I apologize. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VELCRO_FLY
05-06-2005, 02:02 AM
EnGaurde- My mistake. Humbly I apologize http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
05-06-2005, 03:25 AM
PROOF!!!

Here, in black and white, fished from the depths of the Internet archives, infallable proof of which comes first.....

The chicken of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Chickenoreggrecepie.jpg

Finkeren
05-06-2005, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by Tailgator:
this is so simple

breakfast then lunch

I think this might be the best argument we're gonna get in this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

EnGaurde
05-06-2005, 07:11 AM
accepted velcro, its all good.

who woulda thought pf had such philosophical roots?

i wonder what Freud would have said.

Smidlee
05-06-2005, 08:30 AM
Normally I eat eggs for breakfest and chicken for supper so for me the eggs comes first. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Today The question is "what came first DNA or Protein?" is even harder to answer.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-06-2005, 08:40 AM
I've just spent 2 days camped out at Tesco to test this theory.

At 3.25am, this morning, a lorry arrived carrying 12,000 organic free-range eggs.

At 7.42am, this morning, the poultry delivery arrived containing 300 medium sized chickens from their 'value range'

Now, that suggests the egg came first unless, of course, you count the shipment of chicken liver pate they had at 2.58am.

Cheers,
Norris

kutyaxxon
05-06-2005, 03:07 PM
ask him
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Mackane1
05-06-2005, 06:50 PM
...this is your brain...
http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/egg.jpg



...this is your brain on these forums...
http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/friedegg.jpg

EnGaurde
05-07-2005, 03:55 AM
We tend to loose things not gain them
nope, thats wrong.

dead wrong.

how come we are getting smarter as a species?

by your logic, we should have been getting gradually more and more stupid as we lose intelligence by not using it.... im sure we can all agree intelligence is getting rarer? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

species evolve to adapt to their environment. Galapogas iguana devised a method to get rid of salt from their systems via nostrils. Regular iguana dont have that, and studies show no species of iguana has it as standard. Clearly it evolved with them.

evolution is just mutation anyway. The more suited species will survive, and consequently spread their genetic material and thus capabilities / appearance etc to their descendants.

Dunkelgrun
05-07-2005, 06:33 AM
Many years ago I was cycling at some speed down a country hill in Dorset. All of a sudden, and without warning (bloody inconsiderate bird!) a chicken scoots out from under the hedge and begins to cross the road. Why? That's another story... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Anyway, instinctively I swerved to avoid the errant fowl but try as I might I felt a thump beneath my wheels, just a mere split second before I entered a very prickly hedge.
When I came to, jammed upright into a hedge would you believe, with the bike's back wheel up around my ears, I swore vociferously that the ****ing chicken was going straight into the pot once I'd extricated myself.
When I did manage to get free and checked that various parts of me were still intact (especially the important parts, the handlebars were uncomfortably close http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif), I turned around to retrieve the bird but all there was in the road was a smashed egg!!!

So, apart from the astounding fact that you can run over a chicken with enough force to shoot an egg out of the back of it and it'll survive, I know the answer to the riddle:

<span class="ev_code_RED">THE CHICKEN CAME FIRST!</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers!

major_setback
05-08-2005, 04:43 PM
Un oeuf......is enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


(Pardon my French). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

92SqnGCJimbo
05-08-2005, 07:19 PM
is this still going... oh well continue people.. it wont do any harm

partic_3
05-08-2005, 08:09 PM
I have two words for any "Intelligent Design" fans...
Wisdom teeth. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif