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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:05 PM
I try to keep the realism up, but three things I always keep off: Padlock view (because my trackIR hasn't arrived in the mail yet), minimap on (it's a real pain to navigate with out it.. especially when a waypoint's in the middle of a field or something) and external views on (a plane in flight is a beautiful thing... and it's aggravating trying to taxi without the FOV set to the widest). What do you people like, and why?


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:05 PM
I try to keep the realism up, but three things I always keep off: Padlock view (because my trackIR hasn't arrived in the mail yet), minimap on (it's a real pain to navigate with out it.. especially when a waypoint's in the middle of a field or something) and external views on (a plane in flight is a beautiful thing... and it's aggravating trying to taxi without the FOV set to the widest). What do you people like, and why?


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:36 PM
Try minimap off.
My biggest complaint in IL-2, and now it's gone!

It's more fun than following(not navigating) the stupid line.

The reason why people enjoy Flight Simulator is for navigating.

I color-print operation map and look at it when I need to. It's sure fun.

Sometimes you can spoil your mission by bad navigation, but that's a thrill too.

With minimap on, this game is just follow-and-shoot game. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:44 PM
One more thing.

You don't need to follow those waypoints.

They are just a virtual aid.

Fly your flight. You are the leader. Why you bother? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:49 PM
Lately, I've been flying with all external views off which makes things very challenging without using padlocking (I don't believe in it) and not having Track IR. I should try navagating the way real pilots do.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:56 PM
Realistic with Speedbar. (EDIT: I'd prefer SB off as well - but for some reason they hid the compass on some AC like the yak - makes no sense to me...)

Can't stand externals - I find that silly.

Bad enough that you can hear other AC on your six, let alone the ability to leave your body and float outside your AC. Might as well play BF1942 with that.



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:58 PM
I use padlock only for Ground attack missions because some targets are mixed in with trees & buildings & its hard to see them, I also play with external views on because on ground missions with no target photos it becomes hard to figure out what the target looks like, so i take a peek with the external views, Its helpful when a bridge is your target & there are alot of bridges in the target area or if your target is in a town or city & you can't find it, I also like to take alot of external screenshots.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:02 PM
that is why FMB includes targets - they show up on the map and you can mouse over to see what type of target it is.



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:05 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:
- I try to keep the realism up, but three things I
- always keep off: Padlock view (because my trackIR
- hasn't arrived in the mail yet), minimap on (it's a
- real pain to navigate with out it.. especially when
- a waypoint's in the middle of a field or something)
- and external views on (a plane in flight is a
- beautiful thing... and it's aggravating trying to
- taxi without the FOV set to the widest). What do
- you people like, and why?

I prefer eveything real except the speed bar. I justify the speed bar in my mind by useing the excuse that the resulution of the dial is just too poor.. unless you zoom them and that takes too much time... That and the FACT that we have no "fly by the seat of your pants" feel.. Personally I would like to see two BAR GRAPHS, that run from the top to bottom and about a 1/4 and inch wide on the left and right hand side of the screen, Where one is speed, and the other is g's... Basically a psydo HUD that moden planes have... Not becuase this is a modern plane, but because we are missing the FEEL of SPEED and G's in a simulation.



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:11 PM
All on full real and then add ranged icons.Why?No outside view,so you can do surprise attacks,no minimap paths so you can you can do....surprise attacks,no silly presision deflection shots(cockpit off)and stalls,which is good in dogfights(if you have a better turning AC).The main reasons I want it real as it gets(tho with icons which,let say is a substitute for the one eye vision).

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:11 PM
Acme70 wrote:
I also like to take alot of external
- screenshots.

That and the ground target stuff Acme70 said, along with I just can't help but wanting to see my plane from the outside, just about sums up why I leave the externals on. As far as the mention about the FMB, if you're flying campaigns, the information about your missions borders on the useless. There's no way to check assigned altitudes (and I'm never flight lead 'coz I always start as the lowest rank), no way to get any idea about what the target looks like. I'm pretty sure that most WWII pilots going after ground targets had some kind of idea (like photo's, etc) what they were after. Externals help with a quick look to get your target settled down.


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:04 PM
i host DF rooms .... i set the " in the air " plane icons on But set it for freindly only & Only have the ID showing & only have it visible from 2000 meters or less

no range or name or type

the " incockpit " Padlock seems more Real to me than controlling your head motion with your hand

i have the Green triangle set off tho , cause it looks gay

it also targets evrey plane , not just bandits so is not a cheat to me but is a representation of you following a plane as your fying

if i have my Ai map up ill have externals & speedbar on

ppl dont like to have to navigate in a DF room so i always have the minimap path on when i put a DF room up

always am Navigating in serious coops the

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:18 PM
Full Real. and i don't use padlock cause i don't like it.

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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:40 PM
In Organised Online Wars I have flown with full real settings with out pad lock and settings that allow only padlock.

When I host a DF server its for fun, so I allow speed bar, padlock and outside views but I do not allow the no **** pit view ( when they aim to shoot it has to be from inside the **** pit)
Have never allowed icons in my DF server since day one.

The reasons for these DF server settings is so participants can enjoy the inherant beuty of the game, and it helps the newbies to step up to slightly harder settings.

Any Multiplayer Coop Missions I host are the same settings as my DF server settings, for the same reasons, for me the full real seriouse settings are for the organised Online Wars only anything else is fun.
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:45 PM
Full real(cuz I rarely find n00bs flying FR)

+

speedbar(cuz my resolution doesn`t let me read the gauges).

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:49 PM
I also try to keep realism up, i've never used(on large scale) padlock(no TrackIR), but I stil use the minimap path(afterall, pilots could always mark the rout to their objectives). Sometimes I use externels, cuz lately i'm downloading lots of skins Iand I really like to see them.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:55 PM
All except the map way point. I can keep an eye on TWO or more bogeys AND check my six quickly. Padlock tends to `blinker ` me on just one target. Also padlock has actually confused me every now and then.

I can`t believe I used to happily use icons on EAW, but IL2 was so good I wanted it to LOOK as real as poss, so I started without Icons. Amazing- it adds an extra sense of danger. The first time my flight was jumped by four FWs I`ll never forget ( I still have the track /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

I`m considering no waypoint on map and printing out a map, but not sure,,,





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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:31 AM
Full real except minimal icons and minimap. Why?

- Icons because I can't tell the planes apart until I follow them around forever before id-ing them (or don't see/find them at all)

- Minimap, because my navigation stinks and I'd never find the target. Someone mentioned printing out the map which is a good idea I'll eventually try.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:38 AM
More of a question than of answer from me-lol. I don't have a machine capable of more than a casual flight with FB but I find it less than realistic with icons off. It appears 10x harder to spot a plane in the air than my real eyes would with icons off. I hope to fly with padlock off because that was one of the only faults in the sim I hail from..you could never ambush anyone.

Btw-when we get it all perfected can we switch to WW1 planes with painted planes and peerdy scarfs!?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:54 AM
I use the speedbar because of planes that have the compass hidden. If I can see the compass though, I ignore the speed bar.
I lke to fly with externals because I like to gawk at the planes in flight, but switch to cockpit for attacks.
I'm glad it was mentioned the idea of printing out the maps. Navagation was on of the most difficult tasks, although at this point in my 'career' I have risen to flight commander staus yet. I just follow the group. If separated (usually after an attack, I just call for the vector home and beeline for it.

For me these settings allow me to fly in a realistic manner, yet when I'm just flying between waypoints I can teleport outside the plane and enjoy the view.

LuckyNed wrote:

- Btw-when we get it all perfected can we switch to
- WW1 planes with painted planes and peerdy scarfs!?

I've used the QMB using TuV's, Pe-11's and I-153's to simulate WW I. There are plenty of WW I skins out there for these a/c.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:01 AM
I run with full+GPS+speedbar in my dogfight and coop server I run. Externals and PL make proper tactics for Fw 190's, P-40's and P-47's impossible against human opponents. Offline the AI isn't effected by setting changes so I add externals so I can look around, enjoy the scenery and AI fights.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:06 AM
There is nothing "fully real" about a flight simulator on a computer monitor with no depth perception and G forces. FB gives the advantage in "full real" to the person with the best system, TIR and video card. The ridiculous "full real elitist" view that using this feature and not using that feature, is silly or noobish is laughable. Making the game unreasonably difficult by locking the pit(kills frame rates), no padlock etc.. just takes away from the enjoyment for no good reason that I can see. Which is why I love the fact that Oleg made these things selectable for the user.

Its comical to hear a full realer say hey if he flys without the pit he has an unfair advantage over me. Yet, that same person has zero to say about the advantage folks with faster systems, video cards and TIR have over others in "full real". If anypne doesn't believe that take a look at the game with a say a 9700 Pro vs a 7500 and you;ll "see" what I mean. With the Pro you can "see" bogeys WAY out but NOT with the 7500. I tend to like settings that balance things out while adding an appropriate level of difficulty/realism. S!

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08-10-2003, 01:14 AM
it always depends on what i feel like.
minimap and outside view, no speed bar, no padlock.
sometimes i just take off, turn on the autopilot and marvel at the graphics until i reach enemy territory and sometimes i fly in formation for half an hour without auto pilot.


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:22 AM
Well for me, the best realism settings would be, if the game works (Which it doesn't to well on my P.C!!)...........it's real.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:16 AM
S! Sir

Exactly why I bought this sim! I want to get as close as I can to seeing what I can or not seeing what I might miss or be nodding off when I shouldn't be!

I've only flown one other flight sim that I gave a hoot about and it managed to fly dozens of flyers with an organized goal of self preservation vs air supremecy vs target destruction to decide online battles and wars. One thing it lacked for those who lived thousands of lives and deaths was the surprize and sudden death by a rookie who came out of the sun and did what most pilots did that scored kills and lived long enough to learn to fly with style!

I want to fly full real to the extent it is an enjoyable online-team action-action and stradegy packed aerial combat game with the ability of even the most lackluster pilot to sneak up my 6 and blast me to where only angels fly well! Add some real guts to a online server's ability to decide what-where-when-why..let everyone fly fps free..Yehaaa! I'm pumped up with no where to go. Wheres the Wife!?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:46 AM
LOL. I run with an ATI Rage Furry Maxx which is alot older than the Radion 7500. I still prefer full realism because I didn't buy FB as an arcade game. If I wanted that I would have bought something by Microsoft or Novologic.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 04:53 AM
Full real settings are for noobs who are trying to get away from the competitiveness of medium settings games. Every time I fly full real I am amazed by the lack of skilled pilots

Full real is no better than easy settings: the best is somewhere in between.

The best icons are range only (to make up for the lack of the simulation of 2 eyeballs)

Padlock is good too (even Oleg admits that full real should include padlock to be realistic)

Full real, plus dark range-only icons and padlock. Thats the best settings for this GAME.

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08-10-2003, 05:10 AM
LOL anyone that thinks a computer game/simulation is anything like "full real" needs to fly a "real" plane like my Dad. No matter how hard we set the "difficulty" settings we are "all" playing in some form of an "arcade" or another. Step down off your high horses gentlemen, the air is much thicker down here with the rest of us peasants. The thinner air is depriving your brains of much needed oxygen. /i/smilies/16x16_man-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:53 AM
I think I may have misled some of you. When I listed minimap on as one of the features I use, I meant only the flightplan, which shows (unfortunately) my airplanes position. Not the thing that shows icons for every airplane in the game.

Another reason I keep the externals on (which I'll turn off with my TIR) is I lose the bad guys real easy. I think I've got no spatial sense.


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08-10-2003, 07:39 AM
If I fly online, I'll use whatever settings. I really never check to see what they even are before joining. Using dialup I have to take the best ping I find, and enjoy it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Offline campaigns, though, I setup like this:

All real settings enabled EXCEPT:

MINIMAP PATH: I'd mark the route/targets on a real map if I could. Too bad about the GPS plane though. If I can, I make most of the flight by VFR, or looking out the window for landmarks.

ICONS: I set them to colorless range only so I can 'see' depth, and then I have the plane type shown at inside of 400 meters. This is a reasonable range for ID'ing a plane. All settings are the SAME for BOTH friend and foe icons. I can't be positive, but if I saw a plane out my window, I think I could probably estimate its range, regardless of its nationality. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Lastly, I also would allow the SPEEDBAR if I were campaigning in a plane with a hidden compass, for obvious reasons

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:30 AM
I like the full realistic offline
online i like external camera and padlock

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:38 AM
Full hard, with speedbar and minimap-path. I'm not into navigating, though I respect those who can.

Online I like same as above but with friendly icons.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:20 AM
If im online playing for a short time ez settings cockpit off, padlock off and externals on everything else checked.

If im flying for a couple hours I like to fly in full real settings, I'll tell you theres some great ez settings people who fly using bat turns and externals but in full realism they are not nearly as good since teamwork and tactics are a must and theres no external avoiding someone on your 6, its a totally different flying style.


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:34 AM
I've never understood all the hate towards the padlock view.

What's so realistic about using a control device to move your head? Why reject a feature that was a Godsend when it was first implemented?

I think there is some confusion - very prevalent in the sim community - between 'realistic' and 'hard'.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 11:45 AM
Well, when flying online, I fly with the settings that are imposed -almost always realistic settings- and I don't mind because it's equally difficult for everyone. But when I fly offline I switch almost all realistic settings off, because, you know, this is a simulator, yes, but it's also a game, and it's nonsense buying a game and not having fun.

I'm not trying to compete with others to show who's the best REAL pilot, for almost all of us would die just trying to take off in a REAL plane. When I play with others I just want to have fun and let others have fun too, and the easier the controls, the more available the fun.


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 12:00 PM
I dont have a favorite

Since flying Full real is a totaly different style of fighting compared to non fullreal servers..

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08-10-2003, 01:15 PM
external views (eyecandy!)
Speedbar
Minimap


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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 01:48 PM
Full real + speed bar.. speed bar for those some ruskies planes without compass..

When i'm totally bored and i like to play for fun, i prefer outsideview + full real..

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:41 PM
Speedbar on, padlock on, minimap off would be the best
combination to me, although I don't always fly that way.

Speedbar and padlock are ways to get around the fact
that following things with the mouse/hat isn't going
to be as natural as turning your head. It's an unnatural
aid to get over an unnatural way of turning your view.
Hopefully in time we'll get 3d goggles and full head
movement detection, and then padlock will be redundant.
I try to keep padlock use to a minimum, and just pan with
the mouse, though. When an aircraft zooms past when on
padlock it can get very disorienting.