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Doctor_Feelgood
11-21-2004, 11:45 AM
just curious. post distances and why.

Doctor_Feelgood
11-21-2004, 11:45 AM
just curious. post distances and why.

vertical453
11-21-2004, 11:49 AM
3.00 MGS
5.00 Cannons

Why? i dont know, i always used them :P

Mjollnir111675
11-21-2004, 11:53 AM
350 fer cannons
250 fer mg's
and,
15,000 ft fer bombs!!!

Greenwidth
11-21-2004, 11:56 AM
Both 150m
I like to be close

DuxCorvan
11-21-2004, 12:07 PM
Less than 20cm for 'soft targets'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
11-21-2004, 12:14 PM
250 for machine guns and 275 for cannons.

oFZo
11-21-2004, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Less than 20cm for 'soft targets'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Less huh? poor bastard http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DuxCorvan
11-21-2004, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oFZo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Less than 20cm for 'soft targets'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Less huh? poor bastard http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trigger-happy, huh? I wonder how many times you miss the target... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Bearcat99
11-21-2004, 12:29 PM
200 cannon 175 MG.. why? Because I like to hit what I shoot at.

NORAD_Zooly10
11-21-2004, 12:49 PM
150 for mgs and 300 for cannon, i seem to be better with the cannon coz i cant hit sh*t wi the mgs
~S~
Zooly

BinaryFalcon
11-21-2004, 12:50 PM
250m for everything.

zarskoe
11-21-2004, 01:11 PM
200 both

zarskoe

The_Great_Stonk
11-21-2004, 01:15 PM
varies plane to plane...

generally on the us birds with wing mounted 50's im set at either 250 or 300 depending on what im fighting.

wing mounted cannons i tend to set at 300. nose guns i set all at 250.

AlmightyTallest
11-21-2004, 01:17 PM
400m for cannons and machine guns, I got really good at clipping off enemy aircraft wings and tails at 400m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I like to take the long shots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LuftWulf190
11-21-2004, 01:20 PM
300 meters, gets me in close and I get to have alittle playing room for head on head fights.

LeOs.K-Ande
11-21-2004, 01:28 PM
120 both. Hit % usually 16-25%. Im happy with that

Jieitai_Tsunami
11-21-2004, 01:38 PM
300m for both because that what the British/Germans? Used.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

F19_Orheim
11-21-2004, 01:41 PM
depends on plane.... 150 for biplane MG's, I-153P cannons at 250. I guess my range is between 150-300 depending...

Tater-SW-
11-21-2004, 04:42 PM
Serious USN players should use 305m (304.8 ;-) since USN pilots shared planes, so they set all guns the same on all planes (harmonized for 1000ft). I think the USMC did the same.

Anything else is cheating http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tater

AlmightyTallest
11-21-2004, 06:34 PM
DOH!!

Man, I tried 300m, but that just seemed too close to me. I'll have to give it a go again and see if I can adapt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for the historical tidbit Tater-SW- http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ednew
11-21-2004, 07:29 PM
200m for both

Dagger_3
11-21-2004, 07:56 PM
You mean people use that feature?? I just leave it at the defalt 500?m. For bombs, I use 3 seconds, and for air-air rokets, 2 sec. Then, if you shoot right, your enemy gets a flak size explotion right up his @ss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Loki-PF
11-21-2004, 08:02 PM
300 for just about everything I fly except the P-38. For the Lighting it's 1000.....Be Sure!

chris455
11-21-2004, 08:34 PM
304.8 meters.
(1000')
USAAF SOP, and it really works.

J_Weaver
11-21-2004, 09:50 PM
150m for both... This setting seems to work good for me. Shooting targets farther than 200m seems like a waste of ammo most of the time.

Just my 2 cents http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tater-SW-
11-21-2004, 09:57 PM
I shoot much closer than convergence, but ever since early 2d WB, I set USN planes to 333yards (305m) even if it means I do less damage. That's what they had to deal with, that's what I WANT to deal with.

tater

LEBillfish
11-21-2004, 10:11 PM
Don't worry about what anyone else shoots at as far as convergance. You need to "discover" what you shoot best at and over time recheck it, and change it.

To do this fly in QMB your fav. planes against other planes you expect to encounter often. Do not worry about what shots hit, or what ones really made for insta-kills, just fly and with icons on though IGNORE THEM. SImply fly and shoot when it feels right.

When done, save the track file. Then go back and watch them. You'll soon see a pattern of distance....For most of us it is usually closer then we think. watch the file from in the cockpit with icons on and note at what range you shoot (I say in the cockpit as the range you see on the icon is your point of view, if external it will be off by the distance of you to your plane.)

Once you have an idea of what range you instinctively shoot at an opponent. Make perhaps 10m less the MG range and 15m more the Cannon. So a 25m range difference.

Know most fights are close. Long range shots usually only when chasing. ALso remember 1 degree off at 30m from perfect might get them, but at 200 misses so badly it is pointless. Point being, the farther your range the steadier you must keep the plane which is tough to do. Also leading at further distances gets harder and harder.

Some will say set it far and iff they're closer you'll still hit them. Perhaps, but in truth it's that massive grouping that does them in, not the one lucky shot. If 6 .50cal. hit near the same spot it's a huge hole, if they spray all over it's lightening holes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ColoradoBBQ
11-21-2004, 11:51 PM
200 meters for the MG
150 for the cannons.

I like to tear holes in their elevators with the MG, move in, and blow it up with cannons.

Tully__
11-22-2004, 03:44 AM
As most of the aircraft I fly have wing mounted guns, I tend to drift between 220-300m. If you set it too close with wing mounted guns you have no hope of hitting anything on long range deflection shots.

If I know I'm going to be attacking ground targets with cannon, I'll set the cannon at 350-400m. Rockets I'll set at 350-450m.

hobnail
11-22-2004, 04:12 AM
Get close, then get closer still -&gt; 180-200m

Only exception is for ground attack and FW190s which are pitched out to 350-400m.

Rab03
11-22-2004, 04:30 AM
200m for both.

Billy_BigBoy
11-22-2004, 04:42 AM
It seems there are two main settings.
The pilots who set their convergance at 200-225 meters and the pilots who set their convergance at the historical 300-333 meters.
Personally I set them mostly at 250 for the guns and 150 for the cannons, although I have experimented with both on 100 meters. This gives a huge punch on the target if the target crosses your sight (mostly leathal), but with the "fast movers" from the later part of WWII it becomes almost impossible to come that close.
So I stick with my 250 and 150.

Czunik
11-22-2004, 05:12 AM
500 for MG 200 for canons. Why ?
MG bulets can fly stright for 500 metres, are still quite effective at this range and fly fast enough (fire rate of MG also fine). When chasing enemies, I open MG fire from 500m, and I can hit. If the enemy flies more or less stright, of course. I also use MG fire for 'making him nervous and turn' .. since I mostly play ZEROs and most of the time I'm chasing planes which are diving away from me .. when they get few hits they usualy start to evade and turn .. chance for me tu catch-up.
With canons I open fire from about 300m.
Bullets are much slower, fire rate lower. I would probably use 300m on most planes, but since in PF there is mostly ZERO with canons, and you CAN get close with ZERO, I prefer 200m.
There is exception in this .. fw190a4 (in AEP). There I use 500m for canons. When 'booming' i shoot from close distance (200m) and these non-converging trajectories cover large volume of air with effective-enough 20mm bullets.

Saburo_0
11-22-2004, 09:37 AM
Been using 200 for mgs & 190 for wing mounted cannon, but that's too close for bomber interception IMO so may need to adjust some.
Been flying the A6M2-21 in a Campaign, anyone know what the Japanese really used ??

dragonhart38
11-22-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Serious USN players should use 305m (304.8 ;-) since USN pilots shared planes, so they set all guns the same on all planes (harmonized for 1000ft). I think the USMC did the same.

Anything else is cheating http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tater <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Per Bruce Gamble in Black Sheep One the Life of Gregory "Pappy" Boyinton. The F4U1A's boresighting distance was set to the standard 300 yards for the the six 50's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Gunner_361st
11-22-2004, 12:09 PM
I have my convergence set at 250 meters for cannons and machine-guns with all planes.

I usually shoot when I'm closer than that though.

What I do with wing guns is align myself so when inside my convergence, one wing's row of guns hits the fuselage and the other hits a wing. This results in severe damage on two major locations on the aircraft, and I've even detonated P-40's doing this with the Zero at close-range. (About 30 yards or so)

As for a US plane striking a Japanese fighter... Well, we all know what happens then.

I find nose guns more difficult to hit with than wing guns because of less spread, but I think thats because my X-45 is very worn and not as stable/smooth as it used to be.

I remember talking to an ME-109 flyer who would set his cannon convergence to 1000 meters so that he could get deflection shots at planes with very little lead; he also said though, when he got a clean bounce and caught the enemy unaware, he would sometimes miss a plane flying perfectly straight and level. ;-)

Experiment and find what works for you.

GT182
11-22-2004, 02:05 PM
Well, no matter what I use I can't hit the broad side of a barn, but what the hey. It's the fun that counts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Setting convergences at less than 200 for me gets me wasted everytime I'm after a bomber or that sneaky AI rear gunner that gets his licks in too. So I use 300 for both. Seems to be good tho, but had to relearn the deflection shot again.

Kompan
11-22-2004, 02:15 PM
I like to get as close as possible. The only bullets that do me any good are the ones that hit the target. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I do find that the AI tail gunners are sharp shooters and I will kill me instantly. I assume that is what happens when the screen goes black.

gates123
11-22-2004, 02:30 PM
Depends on the plane. I only play online. For slower planes like the zero, g50, hurri, p.11 ect I'll use 225 for mg's and 180m for cannons. For most of the faster planes I use 180 for mg's and 125 for cannons. I usually wont start firing till I have a sure hit at about 150m. Most times if you shoot too early you'll miss and it'll end up in a extended chase which gives your prey a chance to call for help over comms and reduces your chances of a clean exit stratagy =)

Marek_Steele
11-22-2004, 02:52 PM
Just out of curiosity, are there any know historical values for vertical convergence on 109s and diferent mg/cannons?

LilHorse
11-22-2004, 02:53 PM
225 for both MG and cannon. Works out to about 245 yards. So it's right around 250 yards which is what the RAF settled on during the BoB. Even though I fly mostly LW in European theatre. It's just what I've chosen. Seems to work OK for me.