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MB_Avro_UK
07-10-2006, 06:25 PM
Hi all,

Those in the know may have opinions.Scene from BoB type film called 'Piece of Cake'.

Chat between 'Moggy' and a Czeck pilot called Haddy just before a scramble....

Both die in combat...

Scull: "Have you ever voted? Isn't that amazing? None of you have ever voted. You're the last bastion of democracy - and you chaps have never voted".
Haddy: "And if Hitler wins you never will".
Moggy: "Well, politicians are all the same".
Haddy: "Not true".
Moggy: "What's the difference in Checkoslovakia now than it was before?"
Haddy: "Everything you fool, newspapers"
Moggy: "I only read the Sporting Life".
Haddy: "They control the radio".
Moggy: "Can't be worse than the BBC"
Haddy: "Wipe out all the Trade Unions".
Moggy: "Bloody good luck".
Haddy: "They arrest the Jews".
Moggy: "Should I cry?".
Haddy: "They ban the Liberals".
Moggy: "Shocking lot".
Haddy: "Socialists, communists".
Moggy: "That shower, bloody reds, they're as squalid as the nazis.
Haddy: (Here he swears in Checkoslovakian) ... "I am good communist. I fight for my country. You say communists are same as nazis. I kill you".
Scull: "Haddy, old chap, calm down. He didn't mean it".
Haddy: "He bloody well did".
Scull: "He was just being provocative".
Haddy: "Then he succeeded".
Scull: "Haddy, calm down, come on: take a walk. I mean: we're all friends...".
Haddy: "NOT ME!".

"Bloody foreigners- you can't trust them. They ought to be put down at birth"...
Moggy.


Well...just a thought...

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

MB_Avro_UK
07-10-2006, 06:25 PM
Hi all,

Those in the know may have opinions.Scene from BoB type film called 'Piece of Cake'.

Chat between 'Moggy' and a Czeck pilot called Haddy just before a scramble....

Both die in combat...

Scull: "Have you ever voted? Isn't that amazing? None of you have ever voted. You're the last bastion of democracy - and you chaps have never voted".
Haddy: "And if Hitler wins you never will".
Moggy: "Well, politicians are all the same".
Haddy: "Not true".
Moggy: "What's the difference in Checkoslovakia now than it was before?"
Haddy: "Everything you fool, newspapers"
Moggy: "I only read the Sporting Life".
Haddy: "They control the radio".
Moggy: "Can't be worse than the BBC"
Haddy: "Wipe out all the Trade Unions".
Moggy: "Bloody good luck".
Haddy: "They arrest the Jews".
Moggy: "Should I cry?".
Haddy: "They ban the Liberals".
Moggy: "Shocking lot".
Haddy: "Socialists, communists".
Moggy: "That shower, bloody reds, they're as squalid as the nazis.
Haddy: (Here he swears in Checkoslovakian) ... "I am good communist. I fight for my country. You say communists are same as nazis. I kill you".
Scull: "Haddy, old chap, calm down. He didn't mean it".
Haddy: "He bloody well did".
Scull: "He was just being provocative".
Haddy: "Then he succeeded".
Scull: "Haddy, calm down, come on: take a walk. I mean: we're all friends...".
Haddy: "NOT ME!".

"Bloody foreigners- you can't trust them. They ought to be put down at birth"...
Moggy.


Well...just a thought...

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

tagTaken2
07-10-2006, 06:32 PM
I've read the book, and in that he was a swine. I expected him to die in a blue on blue incident.
The book doesn't spare the unpleasant details, gore, fear, stupidity etc at all, I've wondered whether that came through on film.

han freak solo
07-11-2006, 01:51 PM
I didn't read the book, but the movie was pretty tame IMO.

WB_Outlaw
07-11-2006, 02:14 PM
Yes, Moggy was a bad guy. An arrogant bully and gifted flier, which made his arrogance worse. The only thing that mattered to Moggy was Moggy. I figured he was gonna get offed by Flash in case of insane mistaken identity but I think it's better than he got smoked by the enemy. It was also good that he took several 30 cal rounds in the first burst so he could suffer a bit.

It was interesting that in the book, the American CH3 survived, but in the movie he bailed out with his chute on fire.

Darn Limey's just can't have the American survive can they? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

--Outlaw.

MB_Avro_UK
07-11-2006, 05:09 PM
Disagree...

Moggy was a product of the English Public School system. His attitude was based upon 'winding guys up'. Only an Englishman would understand.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro_UK.

MrMojok
07-11-2006, 05:15 PM
You've just convinced me to get this out and watch it again tonight. Been a while.

tagTaken2
07-11-2006, 11:25 PM
Got enough spoilers yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Disagree...

Moggy was a product of the English Public School system. His attitude was based upon 'winding guys up'. Only an Englishman would understand.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro_UK. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The quote is a windup.
Sleeping with another's girlfriend, however...

Jester_159th
07-12-2006, 07:32 AM
The character of Moggy was a stereotypical "cad." He was designed to be an anti-hero and create a touch of friction. The fact that, in the book, when he's killed he's symbolically got his hands up (opening his canopy to bail out when he encounters a flight of 109's in his out of ammo Hurricane), and that the author makes a particular point of this, makes me think that this was the authour's intention. Bad guys can't win....can they?

It's a great book and a great TV series though. Wish they'd show it again (and wish I could find my copy of the book. I haven't read it for ages).

rnzoli
07-12-2006, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Disagree...

Moggy was a product of the English Public School system. His attitude was based upon 'winding guys up'. Only an Englishman would understand.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro_UK. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

or maybe someone who at least read this:
George Mikes: How to be a Brit
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0140081798/026-37811...57?v=glance&n=266239 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0140081798/026-3781159-3213257?v=glance&n=266239) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CyberWings
07-12-2006, 09:09 AM
I bought the Piece of cake DVD series a year ago but subtitles are not available in any language. Not Being English my first language I found some of the conversation very difficult to understand but I believe in one part the superior officer of the squadron told him that the aircraft from witch he bail out crash in a house killing a couple of civilians. Moggy justified his actions saying something like:
-"My life it´s more important than theirs. Well they can´t fly Spitfires, can they??!"
I think he was very arrogant.

GBrutus
07-12-2006, 10:21 AM
Every squadron needs a Moggy. I thought he was brilliant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WB_Outlaw
07-12-2006, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GBrutus:
Every squadron needs a Moggy. I thought he was brilliant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, in those kinds of wars, the more Moggy's you have the better.

He was right about it being the civillian's war too. And he's got a valid point. HE CAN KILL GERMANS, they can't. He IS worth more than the civvies his Hurricane (they used Spits in the movie but in the book Hornet squadron flew Hurricanes) killed.

--Outlaw.

leitmotiv
07-18-2006, 01:46 AM
I like the part where Cattermole goads the poor dunce into claiming he performed a hazardous stunt C had performed and then goads him into doing a stunt in which he gets killed. Cattermole is the weeder. It's his job to detect BS and drive it out. Darwinism permeates this novel---the unfit, from the stupid pilot up to Squadron Leader Rex, are brutally weeded out. Like what Thomas Pynchon writes about war in GRAVITY'S RAINBOW---war choses those it needs with an alarming intelligence.

I received the complete poetry of Kipling in the mail yesterday. I am now armed against all the rhetoric of geopolitical folly.

Feathered_IV
07-18-2006, 03:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I received the complete poetry of Kipling in the mail yesterday. I am now armed against all the rhetoric of geopolitical folly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif



Can I put that in my sig? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
07-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Kipling would be honored, Feathered_IV:

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

"The Young British Soldier" Rudyard Kipling