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gonacko
06-10-2006, 06:52 PM
Hi all! A relative newbie here. Currently I have a joystick and that's it. I'm SOOOO tired when looking down at my keyboard to reduce speed, tweak my rudder, etc. that when I look back at the screen my taget has gotten behind me and is filling me full of holes! @$%^@%^@$%!!!

Can anyone recommed (and I know this is a personal choice) rudder pedals, throttle, and a good joystick? Those Ruskie @$%^%^%!%( have it comin' for all the grief they've given me and my 109!

Gene in Montana :-)

gonacko
06-10-2006, 06:52 PM
Hi all! A relative newbie here. Currently I have a joystick and that's it. I'm SOOOO tired when looking down at my keyboard to reduce speed, tweak my rudder, etc. that when I look back at the screen my taget has gotten behind me and is filling me full of holes! @$%^@%^@$%!!!

Can anyone recommed (and I know this is a personal choice) rudder pedals, throttle, and a good joystick? Those Ruskie @$%^%^%!%( have it comin' for all the grief they've given me and my 109!

Gene in Montana :-)

goshikisen
06-10-2006, 07:01 PM
CH Products - says it all.

carguy_
06-10-2006, 07:02 PM
All I have to say is get used to it and learn.No mercy for the lasy ones.

MadRuski
06-10-2006, 07:12 PM
if ur a major simmer, then u will like the works, but like me i like to fly for fun, so i only have
a Cyborg Evo http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo.htm
..oh and also id advice u not to say somethings that are even slightly racial, even if u didnt mean any harm and only as a joke, it could bring u a HUGE flame war, i didnt get offended at wat u wrote but some will, so iam just adivising u, cause ive been there and done that lol...oh, and welcome to the Forum

gonacko
06-10-2006, 08:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadRuski:
if ur a major simmer, then u will like the works, but like me i like to fly for fun, so i only have
a Cyborg Evo http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo.htm
..oh and also id advice u not to say somethings that are even slightly racial, even if u didnt mean any harm and only as a joke, it could bring u a HUGE flame war, i didnt get offended at wat u wrote but some will, so iam just adivising u, cause ive been there and done that lol...oh, and welcome to the Forum </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOPS! No racial slur intended! Honest! And thanks for your advice!

g :-)

MadRuski
06-10-2006, 08:13 PM
no problem http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BM357_Streaky9
06-10-2006, 10:24 PM
try looking at E-bay I bought my bro. w/ a whole set and I got really good deal cuase you're going to spent alot of dough to complete a good flight sim rig. If you really enjoy flying it's worth it. Have fun and welcome to sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
06-10-2006, 11:35 PM
Welcome to the forums mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-12-2006, 11:57 AM
Drop about $400 and get a CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro pedals and a TrackIR4. There's nothing better...period.


TB

F0_Dark_P
06-12-2006, 12:20 PM
No go FFB! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

horseback
06-12-2006, 01:59 PM
If there were a clear consensus about who currently makes the best FFB stick, or if it were other than the now three-years-out-of-production Microsoft Sidewinder FFB series, I'd agree with Dark_P.

However, the current reality is that no one can agree on a good available FFB stick, so I recommend the best available non-FFB stick, which is CH Products. Get a FighterStick or CombatStick with a set of Pro Pedals, and you won't regret it. That'll run you around $200 here in the USA.

Once you're good and hooked, then you can get the Pro Throttle or Throttle Quadrant and the latest flavor of TrackIR, running up the tab to around another $2-300, plus whatever a good divorce lawyer costs, if you're married.

cheers

horseback

PS-once you've gotten rid of the Old Ball and Chain, you can get a really BIG monitor, and start building your own cockpit...

airjunkie
06-12-2006, 01:59 PM
Bring bck the sidewinder series!!!!!!!

I cant stand a stick with all thoose darn things hanging off the darn stick!@

com om bill start selling joysticks again give us a choice wich is limited to saitek!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

horseback
06-12-2006, 02:01 PM
Wow. That has to be the fastest response I've ever gotten.

cheers

horseback

AVGWarhawk
06-13-2006, 08:58 AM
Personally I like the saitek X52. Plenty of buttons. Enough from me not to have to touch the keyboard at all. You will see that everyone has their "this stick is better" etc. etc. The best stick is the one you like and the one that is paid for.

SeaFireLIV
06-13-2006, 09:06 AM
Sometimes I wonder how I got by on one cheap joystick, mouse and keyboard, but I did - for at least a year!

RevvinUK
06-17-2006, 07:03 AM
I've used Saitek gearand the Cougar but now use CH gear and very happy with it. My Fighterstick is nearly three years old now and works just as well as it did the day I took it out of the box. CH Products has a good reputation for durability and that probably has something to do with the knowledge they have gained over the last 25 years making aviation and industrial grade controllers and components.

Don't think you have to spend a fortune straight away as each CH controller is a separate USB device so you can just build up your HOTAS a piece at a time like I have. I now own a Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals, Throttle Quadrant and Flight Sim Yoke and their DT225 trackball - I have all of them mapped into one profile that enables me to switch the X and Y axis from the Yoke to the Fighterstick just by pressing a button on the Pro Throttle without having to exit the game and reload a new pofile of change any settings in IL-2's config.

Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) are selling them for under $100 a piece, more expensive than some sticks but as I said mine are still going strong nearly three years on and I know users with 5+ years use so its a sound investment IMO.

VW-IceFire
06-17-2006, 07:11 AM
I've developed a love affair with my X-52. It takes a bit to get used to (all joysticks do) but its a fantastic stick. I paid about $160 Canadian for it. Its a bit steep (not the $400 for CH Products - those things will last forever) but its well worth it for a solid stick.

slipBall
06-17-2006, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Drop about $400 and get a CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro pedals and a TrackIR4. There's nothing better...period.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

try going to the ch hanger, used ch buy/sell forum, good deals now and then

RevvinUK
06-17-2006, 01:25 PM
$400 US? As I said Provantage are selling them for under a $100 a pop that's less than $300 for a stick, throttle and pedals.

-HH- Beebop
06-17-2006, 03:30 PM
If you are on a budget, consider the Saitek X-52.
Saitek X-52 (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm)
100-120 USD and available at common 'computer stores' like Comp USA/Best Buy etc.
It's non-force feedback but you can get rid of your keyboard entirely if you want. (Well not like throw it in the garbage.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )
You can try e-bay as well but most flight gear is used so it's a pig in a poke kind of.

sparrow420
06-17-2006, 03:45 PM
Tough choices...

Well... Before buying ANYTHING, make sure that there are not potmeters inside of it: they tend to wear out rather quickly, and then surprise you at the most critical moments with spikes causing you to make erratic moves...

So, that leaves you with few options...
- X-52 is a good one, although the "trim wheel" doesn't work.
- Simped pedals work like a charm

I don't know about the CH products (haven't tried them yet), but still: I would avoid those types that feature other things than optical or magnetic sensors.

You may pay a premium, but it's worth it! You don't have to buy a stick every (half?) year...

Good luck!

Sparrow

RevvinUK
06-17-2006, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sparrow420:
Tough choices...

Well... Before buying ANYTHING, make sure that there are not potmeters inside of it: they tend to wear out rather quickly, and then surprise you at the most critical moments with spikes causing you to make erratic moves...

So, that leaves you with few options...
- X-52 is a good one, although the "trim wheel" doesn't work.
- Simped pedals work like a charm

I don't know about the CH products (haven't tried them yet), but still: I would avoid those types that feature other things than optical or magnetic sensors.

You may pay a premium, but it's worth it! You don't have to buy a stick every (half?) year...

Good luck!

Sparrow </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thay are called potentiometers and CH use high quality ones, as I've said my fighterstick has got constant abuse over the last 3 years and still works fine and I know plenty more users with over 5 years use. In fact my CH Products gameport Pro Throttle and Force FX work fine and I've had those around 8 years and they make a nice guest HOTAS if anyone comes over to play.

CWhipSpeaks
06-17-2006, 06:53 PM
Relative Newb #2, here. I just got this game and am playing on a laptop. My lappy is plenty powerful and I want to keep things simple. Does anybody play successfully using a keyboard and touchpad? So far, the way I am flying is very herky jerky using the keypad.

So, bring me up to speed. And keyboard aces in the air?

Crash_Moses
06-17-2006, 11:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Revvin_UK:
I've used Saitek gearand the Cougar but now use CH gear and very happy with it. My Fighterstick is nearly three years old now and works just as well as it did the day I took it out of the box. CH Products has a good reputation for durability and that probably has something to do with the knowledge they have gained over the last 25 years making aviation and industrial grade controllers and components.

Don't think you have to spend a fortune straight away as each CH controller is a separate USB device so you can just build up your HOTAS a piece at a time like I have. I now own a Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals, Throttle Quadrant and Flight Sim Yoke and their DT225 trackball - I have all of them mapped into one profile that enables me to switch the X and Y axis from the Yoke to the Fighterstick just by pressing a button on the Pro Throttle without having to exit the game and reload a new pofile of change any settings in IL-2's config.

Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) are selling them for under $100 a piece, more expensive than some sticks but as I said mine are still going strong nearly three years on and I know users with 5+ years use so its a sound investment IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy cow...how can they sell them so cheap? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Akronnick
06-17-2006, 11:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CWhipSpeaks:
Relative Newb #2, here. I just got this game and am playing on a laptop. My lappy is plenty powerful and I want to keep things simple. Does anybody play successfully using a keyboard and touchpad? So far, the way I am flying is very herky jerky using the keypad.

So, bring me up to speed. And keyboard aces in the air? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unfortunately, there is no way to adaquately control this sim with just a keyboard. My recomendation is to buy a simple $10-$20 USB stick and try it out. You will never settle for flying with keyboard or mouse again.

Mendacity1964
06-18-2006, 01:43 PM
Regarding this, I think I am going to get a refurbished Logitech Wingman Force Feedback USB for $14.

Can't beat the price. But what I really wish for is a tiny flight stick I can mount to the side of the touchpad with suction cups. Does such a thing exist? I have been searching the Internet but can't find one.

rnzoli
06-18-2006, 02:41 PM
you better stay clear of Logitech stick, unless you plan to fly 1q hour once per month. i had this specific stick, terrible mechanical design, becomes loose after 2 months and very inaccurate. I have proof about it, if you doubt.

Mendacity1964
06-18-2006, 09:37 PM
Thanks for the heads up!

I just went to Wal-Mart and bought a $20 Saitek ST290 Pro. Seems OK -- although I am just starting to get into flight sims.