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BSS_CUDA
08-27-2005, 11:36 AM
this must have been at the end of the war, almost cried when I saw this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I guess this was the fate of alot of aircraft after the war was over
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/p38-39.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
08-27-2005, 11:46 AM
At the end of the war they were rolling Hawker Typhoons out of the factory doors and immediately smashing them up.

georgeo76
08-27-2005, 11:52 AM
It's good of you to share your feelings, Nancy.

BSS_CUDA
08-27-2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
It's good of you to share your feelings, Nancy.

I'm glad you could add something to the discussion. stop back by again next time the sandbox is full

JG52Uther
08-27-2005, 12:37 PM
If only they realised how much these things would be worth one day! (hindsight is a wonderful thing) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

LEBillfish
08-27-2005, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If only they realised how much these things would be worth one day! (hindsight is a wonderful thing) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

As will be the "Kia" car in 40 years.....Buy a bunch up and store them to make your fortune http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
08-27-2005, 12:51 PM
All the more reason to double my efforts on the Time Machine. The US Government sold surplus, mostly low-time, P-38s (L-models as I recall) for $1250.00 (with full fuel tanks). In 1957, the US Government held their first public auction on P-51 Mustangs at McLellan AFB in Sacramento, California. From what I've read, they sold from $750-$3500 (probably depending on hours, condition, etc.) and everybody that wanted one, got one. Talk about the "good ol' days"...those were them!

Taylortony
08-27-2005, 01:11 PM
hmmm

http://www.oldcmp.net/Images/collections/beaufighter/wreckage_1.jpg


http://www.oldcmp.net/Images/collections/beaufighter/wreckage_2.jpg

http://www.oldcmp.net/Images/Aircraft/Liberators.jpg

http://image28.webshots.com/28/8/9/47/235280947eNkeTU_ph.jpg

But remeber we look on these with rose tinted eyes these days, this is the future of such things, perhaps in 100 yrs these to will be revered as lost, who knows.......... see

http://okwreckchasing.com/tallil.html

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_375.shtml

Badsight.
08-27-2005, 01:51 PM
america has HECTARES set aside absolutly filled with A/C right now , military & civilian alike

its kinda spooky to see a thousand of the same bomber just sitting there , baking in the desert

the excess of the cold war i guess

makes you wonder what the mass scraping of the LW would have looked liked in 45

Daiichidoku
08-27-2005, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
All the more reason to double my efforts on the Time Machine. The US Government sold surplus, mostly low-time, P-38s (L-models as I recall) for $1250.00 (with full fuel tanks). In 1957, the US Government held their first public auction on P-51 Mustangs at McLellan AFB in Sacramento, California. From what I've read, they sold from $750-$3500 (probably depending on hours, condition, etc.) and everybody that wanted one, got one. Talk about the "good ol' days"...those were them!


1957 RCAF were selling flyable mustangs out of a base in alberta, AFAIR CFB cold lake, for 500$ CDN

skabbe
08-27-2005, 02:20 PM
its both sad and good in the same time

danjama
08-27-2005, 02:42 PM
how is it good at the same time? I look at these pictures the same way i look at the photo of a dead person. Very saddening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

georgeo76
08-27-2005, 03:03 PM
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v35/claim_deppic/Claimed/essy_savvy2.jpg

must be nice to have lived such an easy life where 60yr old peaces of scrap metal inspire such feelings.

What these pictures represent is the gravestone of a war. Swords to plowshares. They should be celebrated.

T_O_A_D
08-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Get on Google earth an look at some of our scrap yards. Like the one on the south end of Tucson Arizona.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Aircraft%20Pics/75_1_b.jpg

SeaFireLIV
08-27-2005, 03:15 PM
At the end of the day they were just designed for an important, but terrible unhappy job. It wan`t `FUN`, it wasn`t `AWESOME`, it wasn`t a `GAME`. HUMAN BEINGS died for real. Those things were just machines, hunks of wood and metal, they could even be rebuilt. The ones who really matter were the PEOPLE, they can`t be brought back.

That`s why people were so quick to throw out the bad memories, ie, the machines. You would have too had you been there.

HayateAce
08-27-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v35/claim_deppic/Claimed/essy_savvy2.jpg

must be nice to have lived such an easy life where 60yr old peaces of scrap metal inspire such feelings.

What these pictures represent is the gravestone of a war. Swords to plowshares. They should be celebrated.


Easy there big fella.

Hold up your typin' just long enough to consider that maybe some of these guys are young and simply haven't had any hard-knock life milestones. Maybe they will eventually, and maybe never. Either way, don't be bitter about others current status in life.

Agree with the nice ploughshares analogy though.


http://gardnerlinn.com/strangelove.jpg

arcadeace
08-27-2005, 03:57 PM
This isn€t meant to be derogatory but I have wondered with a few in here how they can enjoy participating in FB/PF.

fordfan25
08-27-2005, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
this must have been at the end of the war, almost cried when I saw this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I guess this was the fate of alot of aircraft after the war was over
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/p38-39.jpg


thats disgusting. youd think tahy could remove the wepons and sell them to civ's or leave them as is and sell them to other countrys. seems such a waist.

fordfan25
08-27-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Arcadeace:
This isn€t meant to be derogatory but I have wondered with a few in here how they can enjoy participating in FB/PF.


yea i was kinda thinking the same thing.

skabbe
08-27-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
how is it good at the same time? I look at these pictures the same way i look at the photo of a dead person. Very saddening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

well those who were tierd of the war and have a diffirent view then you probably doesnt think like you. its like you have a really stupid horrible boss, and on the final day your quiting the job you poo on his desk. Great for you but a sad looking foto (or weird looking foto) if you dont understand or experienced the situation.

carguy_
08-27-2005, 05:10 PM
Heheh what else to do with pile of unneeded metal,wood and stuff?Sell it to millionaires,put away for spare parts or simply scrap.After every war there are shortages of everything.

Materials from WWII warbirds were put to a good use I guess.

danjama
08-27-2005, 05:21 PM
"how is it good at the same time? I look at these pictures the same way i look at the photo of a dead person. Very saddening" - Me

Maybe i understand what he meant now and what i said in retrospect was a bit hasty. But i dont appreciate "must be nice to have lived such an easy life where 60yr old peaces of scrap metal inspire such feelings".

You know nothing of my life or anyone here for that matter so please dont make such narrow judgements. I am young but have been through alot. I understand exactly what they represent and that makes me sad.

Even i, believe it or not, wonder how we all can enjoy a game based on such a subject. But it's a game. We know that it is meant just for recreational purposes, and not to recreate feelings of war and hate and loss.

BSS_CUDA
08-27-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
"how is it good at the same time? I look at these pictures the same way i look at the photo of a dead person. Very saddening" - Me

Maybe i understand what he meant now and what i said in retrospect was a bit hasty. But i dont appreciate "must be nice to have lived such an easy life where 60yr old peaces of scrap metal inspire such feelings".

You know nothing of my life or anyone here for that matter so please dont make such narrow judgements. I am young but have been through alot. I understand exactly what they represent and that makes me sad.

Even i, believe it or not, wonder how we all can enjoy a game based on such a subject. But it's a game. We know that it is meant just for recreational purposes, and not to recreate feelings of war and hate and loss.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

except I'm not young, I'm in the upper age bracket of this forum. I've just not felt the need to respond to someone that critisizes ppl from the saftey of his monitor

spitzfiya
08-27-2005, 05:42 PM
Well They were useless at the end of the war, by then we reached the jet era.

It's only sad because great fighters like the P-38 that were designed to help fight evil and win the war are just being tossed into a junk pile.

But what else would you do with them?

BSS_CUDA
08-27-2005, 05:51 PM
no I understand why it happened, I'm just lookin at it in retrospect. and since I'm a huge 38 fan. all those beautiful aircraft on the scrap heap http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

John_Wayne_
08-27-2005, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by spitzfiya:
Well They were useless at the end of the war, by then we reached the jet era.

It's only sad because great fighters like the P-38 that were designed to help fight evil and win the war are just being tossed into a junk pile.

But what else would you do with them?

You know, there was a time after the revolution and the civil war when a gun or two was left in the town park as a lasting reminder. Would have been nice if they'd done that with a few airplanes in 45.

danjama
08-27-2005, 06:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Achilles_NZ
08-27-2005, 06:42 PM
Very disappointing to see them scrapped in such a way even if they are just inanimate metallic objects.
But it happened pretty much everywhere unfortunately.

Here are some old photos from Rukuhia, New Zealand back in 1948. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

P-40€s awaiting scrap

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/achilles_nz/Misc/p40.jpg

F4U-1D€s

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/achilles_nz/Misc/corsair2.jpg

More Corsairs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/achilles_nz/Misc/corsair1.jpg

Lockheed PV1 Venturas being broken up (All saw extensive service in the Pacific by the RNZAF)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/achilles_nz/Misc/ventura.jpg

A bloody shame http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

More images can been found at http://www.wings.net.nz/rukuhia.html
Check out the prices for some of the scrapped parts at the bottom of the page. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

horseback
08-27-2005, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If only they realised how much these things would be worth one day! (hindsight is a wonderful thing) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

As will be the "Kia" car in 40 years.....Buy a bunch up and store them to make your fortune http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah, I've got a garage full of Yugos that are gonna make me rich one day.

cheers

horseback

Shakthamac
08-27-2005, 09:34 PM
It is indeed a shame that all those fine A/C were broken up at the end of the war. I can't even imagine how many USN planes were shoved off the sides of flight decks, or how many jugs were melted into ingots, or how many a/c that held the line during the early days of the war were destroyed.

But, I think that had these planes actually been saved, they would have simply cluttered up the landscape. With a massive surplus, we might not appreciate them as much as we do now.

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2005, 10:07 PM
The War Economy ended with deep budget reductions leaving nothing to support these millions of aircraft. There was only one thing to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Even the Soviets who celebrated WW2 long after, scrapped all their planes. I think only one La-7 survived, and that was Kozhedub's.

|CoB|_Spectre
08-27-2005, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
1957 RCAF were selling flyable mustangs out of a base in alberta, AFAIR CFB cold lake, for 500$ CDN

Thanks, I'll punch those coordinates into my Way-Back machine. Woohoo, we're gonna clean up!

PBNA-Boosher
08-27-2005, 11:38 PM
It does bring tears to my eyes. The government really had no idea how much they could have made off those old warbirds, and how useful they could be in performing civilian duties, like fighting fires, or becoming cheaper alternatives in Commercial aviation.

T_O_A_D
08-27-2005, 11:45 PM
I read once that in the 60's you could by these planes running for $500.00 man what a bargin I f we ever invent time travel, I know what I'm hoarding up.

Darkwolff57
08-27-2005, 11:47 PM
Argentina used P-51's as a mainstay of their Air Force right up until 1978. Feh on jets, how the hell can you get the adrenaline rush of close air combat when you can shoot your opponent down from a safe 20 mile distance with a freaking missle ?

flakwagen
08-27-2005, 11:52 PM
While we can't save everything, it would be nice if the government gave the public the chance to buy things before they are scrapped. These days the US government 'demilitarizes' (cuts in half or otherwise destroys it) almost everything before selling it to the public. As of late they even demil bayonets. God forbid a civilian should get hold of a pointy knife! It is a shining example of how the nanny state mentality has permeated the atmosphere in Washington D.C..

Flak

EnsignKarl1
08-28-2005, 12:31 AM
I recall a friend of my dad who, while on a business trip to Florida in the early 60's, came across the sale of P-51's that had once been ear-marked for Cuba. The Air Force was selling them in flying condition for $500 a piece with a second merlin in a crate. He said at that point he didnt even think twice about actually spending $500 for one. Also, he didnt know anyone who could've gotten it back home. I wonder when F-4s will be offered up in a similar manner... not that I know anybody that could get one of those home either.