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Mysticpuma2003
02-24-2005, 02:36 AM
That's about the long and short of it? Just wondering which of the huge array of weapon loadouts this bird had, will be available?

Has it been quoted anywhere? Cheers.

Mysticpuma2003
02-24-2005, 02:36 AM
That's about the long and short of it? Just wondering which of the huge array of weapon loadouts this bird had, will be available?

Has it been quoted anywhere? Cheers.

Endrju
02-24-2005, 04:57 AM
The answer is NO. There should be two Mosquito versions: B IV (bomber) and FB VI (fighter) with 4 x .303 and 4 x Hispano

Finkeren
02-24-2005, 05:38 AM
Anyway the Mk XVIII was only build in 56 examples so who cares? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Propably the same ones who wanted the Bf109Z.
Cudos anyway to the guy who made it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Choctaw111
02-24-2005, 05:52 AM
I have never heard of a 60mm cannon on a Mosquito. Are you talking about the 57mm Molins gun? If you really are talking about a 60mm please let me know where you got this information...

Capt._Tenneal
02-24-2005, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Endrju:
The answer is NO. There should be two Mosquito versions: B IV (bomber) and FB VI (fighter) with 4 x .303 and 4 x Hispano <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm curious, if the FB VI already has 4 Hispanos what's the use of 4 x .303's ? And why not "up-gun" them to 4 x .50's. I believe this is the same configuration in the Beaufighter we have in the game now, no ?

JG53Frankyboy
02-24-2005, 08:47 AM
.50cal Brownings were on short supplie, espacially in the UK.
think about the Spitfire Mk.IXc - the IXe came first in greater numbers in 1944.

also the BeaufighterMk.21 in game is a late war variant , build in australia.
british build ones has also .303 Brownings in their wings- 4 in the right wing , 2 in the left wing

jagdmailer
02-24-2005, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
.50cal Brownings were on short supplie, espacially in the UK.
think about the Spitfire Mk.IXc - the IXe came first in greater numbers in 1944.

also the BeaufighterMk.21 in game is a late war variant , build in australia.
british build ones has also .303 Brownings in their wings- 4 in the right wing , 2 in the left wing <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So where are the other 2 or 3 variants of the Beaufighter that were done by Halfwit & burnin777 ??

Jagd

Chuck_Older
02-24-2005, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:

I'm curious, if the FB VI already has 4 Hispanos what's the use of 4 x .303's ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the increased firepower? The fact that it has cannons does not detract from the fact the .303 was still a weapon with the punch to damage aircraft

Danschnell
02-24-2005, 11:21 AM
Yeah. The .303 was one of the most effective anti air weapons of all time. Unlike any other weapon, it could set a Fw-190 or a Stuka alight with 1-3 rounds with almost uncanny predictability. The 'only useful for scratching paintwork' saying must've been a myth. Maddox games must be historical and real life pilot accounts must be rubbish.

p1ngu666
02-24-2005, 12:08 PM
they fired 20 rounds per second, so chance of a hit is very high http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

also for straffing etc they are good, would run to the aa gun while 80rounds are pinging everywhere per second?

besides, mossie will need to preserve its cannon ammo. only has 240 or 283 rounds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
per cannon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
1000rounds for the 303

night fighters had 303 removed in later marks, because radar took up all the room, and guns could mess it up
4 20mm's where suffiecent http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
02-24-2005, 12:10 PM
oh id like the molins cannon one, planes with big guns are cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

was for use against uboats mainly....

rockets where abit better, and cheaper, but cannon armed planes could, and did take both http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Mysticpuma2003
02-24-2005, 01:23 PM
Sorry I may have been a bit vague with the Cannon.
The information was from a documentary on the History Channel the other evening, which was fascinating about the struggles they had to get the Mosquito project (forgive the pun) off the ground.

In it they showed the huge versatility of the Mosquito from photo recon. to radio recieving from the spies in axis territory using the fore-father of the mobile phone.

During the programme they discussed the armament of the aircraft and the narrator talked about the huge 60mm cannon that was fitted, and they then showed guncam footage of it taking out a u-boat. It was truely awesome in it's power.

I'd just love to have a go at some of the shipping in the game using this weapon also some of the ground based targets and hoped it would or will be incorporated.

Obviously when it comes to documentary a 60mm cannon could be the 57mm cannon, but I just hope there is room in the loadout for this beast.

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Choctaw111
02-24-2005, 01:54 PM
Here are some photos of the Molins. This was an awesome weapon and would love to see it in included in the loadout.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/MolinsA1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/MolinsA2.jpg

womenfly
02-24-2005, 01:58 PM
Were not most Mosquito's used for recon then for other roles?

VW-IceFire
02-24-2005, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
Were not most Mosquito's used for recon then for other roles? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Recon was a small portion of its role.

The fighter version was used for day and night operations. There was also a specific night fighter version for shooting down other night fighters and bombers.

The big role I always heard about was the attacks on North Sea shipping. Particularly along the Norway coast. You'd have the few 57mm attack versions blasting ships, then you'd have fighters using cannons and rockets attacking ships, and finally the possibility of even the bomber variant dropping bombs on shipping as well. In all cases, the Mosqutio was sufficiently fast to evade most interception.

But recon wasn't its main forte...it was a combat aircraft through and through.

In the USAAF the Mosqutio was soley a recon plane...I think used in Italy.

womenfly
02-24-2005, 02:16 PM
http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-dvd/633_SQUADRON_DVD_HIRES.jpg

http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-dvd/MOSQUITO_SQUADRON_DVD_HIRES.jpg

MGMUK Movies (http://www.mgm.com/mgm/uk_images/box-dvd/MOSQUITO_SQUADRON_DVD_HIRES.jpg)

Of interest.

Zyzbot
02-24-2005, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
Were not most Mosquito's used for recon then for other roles? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were used for many things.

Over 1,000 FB Mk VI were made which were used as day and night intruders. Some were used against shipping as well. 27 model FB XVIII (with 57mm gun) were made.

High altitude versions included the B IX (54 made) and the B XVI (387 made). Photo recon equivalents were made but I don't have the numbers for them.

Night fighters included NF II, NF Mk XII (97 made), NF XIII (270 built), NF XVII (100 converted from MK II), NF XIX (220 built).

Canada built over 1,000 Mosquitos, including 40 recon models for the USAF. 178 Mosquitos were also produced in Australia.

p1ngu666
02-24-2005, 02:24 PM
the fighter bomber VI was the most numous of mossies.

it was however the best recon plane on the allies side, because of the glass nose. did like a bomb run, but took pics insead...

flying high, they where fairly safe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

only 8 v1 sites where never found from the recon, the other 130+ where found http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

when germans hadto move at night time, mossies still took pictures...
700,000 candel power flares and bombs light up the ground http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

bomber mossies bombed berlin for 36nights in a row, with very low losses.

fighter bomber mossies did all the things we do with any other fighter bomber, but at longer ranges aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Mysticpuma2003
02-24-2005, 02:26 PM
I taped that documentary so I'll give it another watch later but a few points that I do remember were that it started off as a recon plane with five cameras onboard. It was also used in bombing raids to light the way with marker bombs over targets. It went on specific search and destroy missions of V1 sites. Intelligence reached the allies that Goering and Himmler were to speak at a rally and they sent Mosquitos to bomb very close by, to disrupt the live broadcast, which because of their speed (400mph+) and manouverability they got in at less than 50ft altitude, bombed (and disrupted) the braodcast and got away with no loss.
They attacked V1 rockets in flight, which they could catch with their speed. They also took on U-boat pens and U-boats with the 57mm cannon.

However the most famous mission, which showed the accuracy of the plane at bombing was on a prison.
Members of the French Resistance were being held in a prison (not sure of the location here at work), and the German custodians were set to execute them (approx 250). The Mosquitos were sent and had to come in again at low-level, and drop a payload of bombs at the base of the prison wall so that it collapsed but didn't kill any prisoners. It had to be done with incredible timing because it had to coincide with the point that the prisoners were outside, and the guards were at lunch.

Two waves of Mossies attacked the prison with a two-minute delay between waves. The first hit the wall perfectly, allowing the Resistance to escape, approx 230+ (although some were gunned down), the second wave hit the area where the guards were, and killed a large number of them.

All-in-all it was a huge success.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the Mossie, and hope we get the cannon as I've already said. Cheers, Neil.

p1ngu666
02-24-2005, 03:02 PM
btw, first one was probably a radio show or 2, and they bombed berlin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

wherent detected untill suburbs of berlin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

pathfinder mossies used oboe, in effect it would be like using a gps system to drop bombs.

dubious about u boat pens, but possible http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

v1 rockets often needed a diving approach, but mossies got a fair few of them

amiens prison raid, they followed a road in, lined with trees. on of the first vic tilted his wing so he didnt hit the trees http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

in book it said at mid day, the resistance around the prison where getting worried.
1201, first formation comes into sight.
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mossies went slow to bomb as best they could, height 5 to 15ft, then hadto climb over the prison very quickly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

best mossie film clip is one ive seen is some guy, with extreme casualness explaining how he flew down a street, because a mossie was above him
he was lower than the roofs, doing 300mph or so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ImpStarDuece
02-24-2005, 08:41 PM
My favourite mossie story is about the US B-26 Marauder pilot who though his ship was hot stuff and challenged a Mossie pilot to a race.

The B-26 took off first and the pilot was pretty confident hammering along at full throttle until the Mossie slowly sailed past his cockpit, inverted, with one engine feathered! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Mysticpuma2003
02-25-2005, 02:37 AM
I'll post some video of the gun here very soon.

Mysticpuma2003
02-25-2005, 02:49 AM
Right guys here is a video clip of the 57mm Molins gun in action and the rocket loadout and the bouncing bomb.....boy this baby was versatile.

http://www.aqzm71.dsl.pipex.com/Mosquitoweapons.zip