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Bearcat99
01-16-2006, 06:34 AM

Bearcat99
01-16-2006, 06:34 AM

Chuck_Older
01-16-2006, 06:40 AM
Bearcat-

This thread has just convinced the less sharp-eyed and attentive members that BoB was canceled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

nakamura_kenji
01-16-2006, 06:41 AM
korea atleast can skin sabre so jasdf v_v

ww1 ok for doggy fights

hoenst would no buy any list there v_v

SeaFireLIV
01-16-2006, 06:42 AM
Hmmm... I really haven`t thought any further than BOB. Truth to tell I`d be happy with just continuous expansions for IL2.

The Spanish civil war would be good, I guess, sionce I`d enjoy playing the role of the socialist out to stop the emerging Fascism in my new I16! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

jds1978
01-16-2006, 06:49 AM
well i voted for BoB (i don't think it registered my vote though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif)

Reasoning: this is the era when airpower came into its own. The pieces were there: Jabo/CAS doctrine for maneuver war, radar, strategic/terror bombing, the idea of mass aireal formations operating together. Granted, these concepts were in their infancy, but it's a good place to start.

My trajectory for 1c goes something like this

BoB>East Front>West Front>MTO>PTO>Korea Add-on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gorillasika
01-16-2006, 06:52 AM
I voted for Med!

Hmm, wasn't a similar poll done before BOB-development. If I recall right, the Mediterranean won... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
01-16-2006, 06:53 AM
BoB.

I'd have voted for later western front, if it would have been an option. With the proper bombers included, this would be my dream-scenario. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Kuna15
01-16-2006, 06:55 AM
ww1/Korea for me.

XyZspineZyX
01-16-2006, 07:01 AM
WWI exclusive with the best single player dynamic campaign ever created.

Interesting poll Bearcat, maybe an expantion pack for PF to complete the theatre like AEP did for FB & take it to that standard
(sounds like a pipe dream & I gave up weed years ago)

F0_Dark_P
01-16-2006, 07:06 AM
hmm, eastern front or med, but i voted for med
but i am to happy with bob http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
it is the most natural choice i think, and then expand from that

Sturm_Williger
01-16-2006, 07:23 AM
WWI no question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Earlier the better - imagine dogfighting in planes that all bank like they're underwater ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Think wing-warping http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GonFlying
01-16-2006, 07:46 AM
Med, Med, Med and more Med!!! Especially Malta. You've got the lot there; a good, long campaign involving RAF/Commonwealth, Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica (Italian), this is WAY over due. The most significant air campaign to never get done by a mainstream publisher.
Just think, you'd get classic fighter v fighters and bombers - lots of scrambles or escort duties, RN carrier ops, bombers v ships and land targets, anti shipping strikes by "ground attack" planes like the beaufighter, the works, this could be expanded to include Africa too, so you could sneak some US planes in too later (just for those who can't enjoy a sim unless they've got something with the stars and bars to fly!

Loki-PF
01-16-2006, 07:50 AM
Bearcat,

Please edit the poll to include the PTO

I VOTE that the PTO gets comleted before anything else



.

danjama
01-16-2006, 07:53 AM
I voted for the Med, mainly because i feel that a game based on it would teach me alot i dont know about it. The meditteranean theatre is one that i really dont know alot about (like the eastern front before i got into il2)! So, that is why i voted for med.

But i think if we had a med game, the maps would really need to b special to hold interest.

Anyway, my passion lies in the Battle of Britain so im happy its being done. I didnt vote for it in faith that i knew it is being done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WW1 bores the hell out of me, eastern front has been done (successfully i might add), and i really have no interest in the Spanish War.

I would really like to see a Vietnam war sim, that lives up to il2's reputation.

SweetMonkeyLuv
01-16-2006, 07:57 AM
WWI/Korea, with emphasis on Korea.

I'm relatively happy with the FB/AEP/PF engine. Assuming more maps and planes were released and a some bugs could be fixed, I'm happy with how it handles WW2 era prop planes. Those maps/planes/bug fixes would probably cover WW1 era stuff as well.

But it would prolly take a whole new engine to do Korean Conflict era planes real justice.

Dunkelgrun
01-16-2006, 09:12 AM
Hey Bear! Isn't rambling a bannable offence? Your post nearly wore me out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You've used fifteen ellipses in three sentences.
To misquote Oscar Wilde: 'Brevity is the soul of clarity'.

Cheers!

MrQBerrt
01-16-2006, 09:46 AM
*Post withdrawn*
It seems that I misread the question when I first read it, so I'm taking out my comment.

Udidtoo
01-16-2006, 10:03 AM
Med. thank you very much. Spanish Civil War would defo be cool but I can already fly 109'sand Rata's. I've never spun the prop on a Reggiane Re.2005 but I sure would like too.Dodging AAA at Taranto in my Swordfish,mmmmm. Yep Med please.

slo123
01-16-2006, 10:06 AM
WWI why did you put WWI and korea together i dont need no stinkin korean war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

fordfan25
01-16-2006, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Korea </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WW1....yuck. gee we get to fly around at 15MPH in tie fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

korea is wear its at. best of all not so many brits,OZ'es or germans mucking up the works http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif j/k

JG7_Rall
01-16-2006, 10:12 AM
Korean War or Med.


or Eastern Front revisited with the new graphics engine and a better FM!!!

LStarosta
01-16-2006, 10:27 AM
Korea or Vietnam

Pirschjaeger
01-16-2006, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Hmmm... I really haven`t thought any further than BOB. Truth to tell I`d be happy with just continuous expansions for IL2.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with this. TBH, I can´t quite see how BoB can be great after having gone through 5 years of Il-2 and it´s development.

I understand BoB has a new engine which of course would be great. If BoB doesn´t expand the way I´-2 has, it will probably be good only for a short time.

It´s the expansions and development of IL-2 that has made it successful and keeps us here.

Fritz

Capt.England
01-16-2006, 11:26 AM
I vote for the Spanish Civil war because:

1. It's never been done before.
2. You could add on the Japan/China conflict, Nomonhan Incident, plus a what if? WW2 starting in 1938.
3. This would nicely lead on to the Poland Campaign, and the start of WW2 (1939)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bremspropeller
01-16-2006, 11:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Korea or Vietnam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


+1 (the latter one gets +2) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

VW-IceFire
01-16-2006, 11:29 AM
Korea...then the Med.

Capt.England
01-16-2006, 11:47 AM
Why Korea? It's been done loads of times, loads of addons for different sims, and IMHO it's just as stale as the BoB (and thats coming from someone WHO WILL BUY BoB). Just for once, it would be nice to try something different. Just look at why this sim sold in the first place. It was not, just another E.A.W. rip off.

EDIT: I'm just thinking out loud, not tiring to flame any ones opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

slo123
01-16-2006, 11:54 AM
come on who wouldnt buy a wwI sim that was same engine as il2 i myself much prefer the openess and seat of your pants stuff those planes would offer i think it woud be great and well the korean war look at the f-4 pghantom it didnt even have a gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ElAurens
01-16-2006, 11:54 AM
I voted Med, but, I'd much rather have the War in China, starting in 1937. What a great theatre for obscure, cr@p planes, which are my favorite.

Imagine, the Ki27 would be the most advanced plane in theatre... Pure bliss.

danjama
01-16-2006, 11:55 AM
WW1 planes are boring, so i wouldnt but it.

jarink
01-16-2006, 12:10 PM
I voted WWI.

There would be far greater variety of planes in more theaters than available in Korea. From the early-war Eindekers and Moranes to SPADs and D-VIIIs from Flanders to the Dardenelles, not to mention balloon busting and anti-Zeppelin patrols, what WOULDN'T be great about it?

Talk about skinning possibilites! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

LStarosta
01-16-2006, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo123:
come on who wouldnt buy a wwI sim that was same engine as il2 i myself much prefer the openess and seat of your pants stuff those planes would offer i think it woud be great and well the korean war look at the f-4 pghantom it didnt even have a gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad the F4 didn't fly till 1958, 5 years after the Korean War.

RocketDog
01-16-2006, 12:24 PM
Spanish Civil War

There was only a comparatively small number of aircraft types involved, so we could avoid the whole PF "lots of stuff missing" problem.

Cheers,

RocketDog.

Chuck_Older
01-16-2006, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
I vote for the Spanish Civil war because:

1. It's never been done before.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif'Luftwaffe Commander'

nealn
01-16-2006, 01:07 PM
I agree with danjama and vote for the med. Do not know alot about it and it would be fun to learn while flying!

I know many will object but I am happy to start the new engine with BOB. Yes I know it has been done numerous times before, BUT NOT BY OLEG!

Who can resist a story where a valiant somewhat ill prepared people, give it their all and halt Nazi agression after the rest of western Europe has fallen. Gotta cheer for the underdog right?

And for the Germans, brave, skilled pilots fighting the British onn one hand, and innept leadership from the higher ups on the other. Gotta love it.

One of, if not the most significant air battles in history.

Bring it on oleg.

Neal

Chivas
01-16-2006, 01:14 PM
1..BOB...which should include early rhubarbs,etc into France
with add-ons
-Spanish Civil War (if done by third party)
-Battle of Poland
-Battle of France (both I believe are being done by a third party) I don't have much interest in these add-ons but if Oleg doesn't have to invest to much time in them...why not add them.

2..The Med malta,north africa,etc

3...Eastern Front...Western Front...Pacific in no particlar order.

4...Repeat with a new engine for even more immersion..,there should be some interesting tech advancements in 7 to 10 years. Time marches on for most, but some will be quite happy still be playing FB on their 2gig,512meg,Gforce4. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Although I'm not dissing anyone who has a problem upgrading there PC.

Tater-SW-
01-16-2006, 01:16 PM
A good pacific/cbi sim that concentrated on one thing to completion instead of doing many things poorly.

If it did CVs, I'd love to see a sim that actually mdeled CV ops realistically---something that has yet to be done by anyone.

tater

neural_dream
01-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Starting with Spanish Civil War
1C could do the unprecedented:

Include all second world war. 1 game per year. 1 year per game. All planes per year.
6 years for THE COMPLETE ww2 air warfare simulation.

Starting with BoB is like seeing IL-2Sturmovik all over again. Borrring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

steve_v
01-16-2006, 01:26 PM
Torn between the Spanish Civil War and the Med, but the Med got the vote.

Grue_
01-16-2006, 01:46 PM
Med!

foxyboy1964
01-16-2006, 01:48 PM
I voted for BoB but I would also be perfectly happy with more expansions to FB. Its surely one of the best games ever.

danjama
01-16-2006, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Starting with Spanish Civil War
1C could do the unprecedented:

Include all second world war. 1 game per year. 1 year per game. All planes per year.
6 years for THE COMPLETE ww2 air warfare simulation.

Starting with BoB is like seeing IL-2Sturmovik all over again. Borrring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now THAT is wishful thinking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Ob.Emann
01-16-2006, 02:16 PM
Med

Med

Med

Med

Meddy

Med

MEDITERRANEAN THEATRE OF CONFLICT

I would most definately go for the Med. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SpartanHoplite
01-16-2006, 03:27 PM
Korea for me. I like neural_dream's idea a lot, though.

SH

jamesdietz
01-16-2006, 04:57 PM
I think I'd have to say Battle of the Reich night& day........

OberUberWurst
01-16-2006, 04:59 PM
Ostfront all the way.

LStarosta
01-16-2006, 05:11 PM
I take that back. I would prefer a fictional conflict set in the latter years of the cold war in the Crimean Peninsula.

neural_dream
01-16-2006, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Starting with Spanish Civil War
1C could do the unprecedented:
Include all second world war. 1 game per year. 1 year per game. All planes per year.
6 years for THE COMPLETE ww2 air warfare simulation.
Starting with BoB is like seeing IL-2Sturmovik all over again. Borrring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now THAT is wishful thinking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He's spoiled us. Give me that and I give him them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/olegpimp.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-16-2006, 05:39 PM
No jokes about over-modelled Jugs, please.

Bearcat99
01-16-2006, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Mind you now..... I am perfectly happy with the BoB ...... Heck I am just glad that 1C is even making another WW2 sim with an even more advanced engine and I am hoping that BoB will be to FB what FB was to it's predicessors..(discounting IL2)..... we shall see.... but what do you folks think.. and please..... please.. no cracks about finishing the P.T.O.
Also I didnt include the P.T.O. in the poll because I wouldnt expect 1C to release a new sim with a lot of P.T.O. content so soon after this and also considering a whole new engine IMO at least the first four choices would be more logical starting points because they were earlier....a and although the Med was technically from 42-45 it was still such an unique theater that it would IMO qualify for it's own release. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Loki-PF:
Bearcat,
Please edit the poll to include the PTO
I VOTE that the PTO gets comleted before anything else
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No......

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
A good pacific/cbi sim that concentrated on one thing to completion instead of doing many things poorly.
If it did CVs, I'd love to see a sim that actually mdeled CV ops realistically---something that has yet to be done by anyone.
tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be that as it may be.... see the above....

and I wouldnt say PF does anything poorly.. it could indeed do somethings better... but.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif it does most things like carrier ops and combat flying better than any other WWII sim... there is always room for improvement.... and of course a flyable Avenger wouldnt hurt either.... that is just my opinion... and you obviously are entitled to yours. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

It is interesting though that the Eastern Front is the most wanted.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif That surprised me.

Enforcer572005
01-16-2006, 06:42 PM
Um, I thought the Med was teh most wanted, by a large margin (maby i cant count). I voted Med, but Korea is a close second.

The Med would be the most versatile and cover the most, and has never been done to any significant extent. BUT, it would have to have LOTs of ships (at least 2 dozen totally different classes), including US and Brit carriers, because (get ready for it)..IT IS A NAVAL THEATRE OF WAR, JUST LIKE THE PACIFIC. The key word is MED....its a bunch of water, and there is hardly any action, including Malta, that didnt include SIGNIFICANT naval action, especially carriers. US carriers were heavily involved (wasp) as early as 42.

The maps would HAVE to go from southern italy to a bit of north Africa, and include sicily and Panterella (spelling?). It would HAVE to cover 1940 thru early 43 to properly cover that vast theatre. It would be easy and logical to do adons later that extended more into north africa and the Italy campn-which would lead into the western front.

Anything less than this level of completion in the med and we would have a copy of the PF fiasco all over again-lots of possibilty but unfinished and never gonna be finished. If it gets done, it needs to be finished, including ships, lawyers or no. THe legal considerations must be dealt with....you gotta have certain planes and ships in a naval sim.

If They cant do that, then Korea.....lots of ww2 props and the first actual jet war. Lots of Soviet info availilbe now. But i really want the med. Next to the Solomons, my favorite theatre, and the most versatility. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blue_76
01-16-2006, 06:55 PM
WW1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

danjama
01-16-2006, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
No jokes about over-modelled Jugs, please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But they are http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

wayno7777
01-16-2006, 09:34 PM
The New Jedi Order period. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifI mean the Med....

tagTaken2
01-16-2006, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Your post nearly wore me out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You've used fifteen ellipses in three sentences.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The pauses are there... for you to rest your eyes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Spain, spain, spain.

Logical jumping off point for the war, clash of first modern fighters, and better weather.

Badsight.
01-16-2006, 10:06 PM
the Ultimate CFS enviroment is . . . . .

* * KOREA * *

ultimate Props , classic Jets , fantastic scenery , carriers

you know it

faustnik
01-16-2006, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Um, I thought the Med was teh most wanted, by a large margin (maby i cant count). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess I couldn't count either, because I thought the MTO was clearly the #1 vote getter.

p1ngu666
01-16-2006, 11:45 PM
med, cos it was a pivital battle area, plus it expands into europe nicely.

we dont eastern front especialy, cos we still know little about it, and most americans want to fly american planes, or german, everything else is meh *shrug*

csThor
01-17-2006, 12:25 AM
1.) Eastern Front

nothing for a long, long time

2.) Med
3.) BoB / Western Front / Defense of the Reich

And re: Korea - if you think the whining/drama-queening/flameing about FM issues is bad at the moment you really don't want to see Korea done by Maddox Games. I think the perception of said conflict is completely different in the former USSR and the US. Oleg will receive a lot of flak if he ever does Korea - either from his countrymen or from the US.

LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2006, 12:41 AM
Spanish Civil WAR with Mongolia addon pack -- Most Soviet planes can be used for both. Oleg does his best work when he takes the Forgotten Theme. And in Spain, we would finally get a real Dora, for real flight simmers.

India/Pakistan would be sweet. MiG-19s against Su-7s, Hunters against F-86s, F-104s against MiG-21s ... ya, the USA computer gamers would NOT like this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif but only because they would have no idea how to fight and ALWAYS WIN using -104.

jamesdietz:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think I'd have to say Battle of the Reich night& day....... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That would require a whole new concept of combat flight simming, more along the lines of Silent Hunter III than FB/PF -- hunting the night skies for RAF bombers using radar or Wild Boar making use of ground searchlights, or hunting down Luftwaffe night fighters in teh mossies.

expect oversize mossie pic soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey, it would really have to be two seperate sims, day and night fighting were so different. Day fighting would be just like FB/PF dogfighting, Night RAF/Luftwaffe ops would be like Silent Hunter III. We have all seen here how popular SH3 is among flight simmers. It would work, if the Devs would think "air warfare" instead of "DOGFIGHT," they could become a mainstream success.

WTE_Ibis
01-17-2006, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
the Ultimate CFS enviroment is . . . . .

* * KOREA * *

ultimate Props , classic Jets , fantastic scenery , carriers

you know it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wot 'e said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Slow jets with guns AND props, what else could you want.

.

LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2006, 01:56 AM
WTE:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Slow jets with guns AND props, what else could you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unreliable missiles from 1971 AND guns over fantastic Indian and Pakistani mountains, along with fast jets and slow jets from every major combat jet manufacturing nation on Earth except Sweden.

USA
Russia
Britain
France
[The Swedes need the northern addon pac]
...oops...India used their HF-24 Marut too, to be Flyable, naturally.


We have the Prop Sims for the Props, and they can always do the Props better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2006, 02:10 AM
-- Carriers --

Think of it from a software title standpoint. Korea technically offers "carrier ops" but not the kind of carrier combat that is so popular from WW2 Pacific. The sim Devs must think of what causes WW2 Pacific carrier operations to be popular, and they can't model this in Korea.

1971 India/Pakistan offers equal jet fighter and offensive jet bomber/ground attack ability for both sides which, again, Korea does not offer. These are just some ideas that "fly" over the heads of flight sim developers East or West when they listen to the webboard slogans of flight simmers, and the Devs yet again are led to mainstream software title failures.

flakwagen
01-17-2006, 02:25 AM
I'll have to throw in another vote for Korea. It has been done before, but never with the depth of the Il-2 Sturmovik series. Most Korean sims include a few U.S. surplus WW2 aircraft, F-86s, P-80s, MiG-15s and little else.

In reality an incredible variety of aircraft from many nations saw service in Korea. A Korean War plane set, if resarched well, would be at least as diverse as the one we currently enjoy.

Flak

nakamura_kenji
01-17-2006, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I voted Med, but, I'd much rather have the War in China, starting in 1937. What a great theatre for obscure, cr@p planes, which are my favorite.

Imagine, the Ki27 would be the most advanced plane in theatre... Pure bliss. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe change vote china yaya ^_^ ki-27,A5m yaya ^_^

WOLFMondo
01-17-2006, 02:53 AM
I don't care. BoB is a good place to start. If the engine is good and modular then all these things people want are possible.

I'd like Korea but I'd also like more WW2.

Bearcat99
01-17-2006, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Um, I thought the Med was teh most wanted, by a large margin (maby i cant count). I voted Med, but Korea is a close second.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Duhhhhhhhhh yeah.. LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif I was reading the wrong line...LOL.... D@mn... I could sure use some of those brain cells I so wantonly slaughtered in my wild and reckless youth now...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bearcat99
01-17-2006, 06:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Hey Bear! Isn't rambling a bannable offence? Your post nearly wore me out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You've used fifteen ellipses in three sentences.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When posting on forums I write like I talk.....

panther3485
01-17-2006, 07:16 AM
If I could write my own ticket, it'd be:

1st choice - WW1

2nd choice - combined Poland '39, France '40 and BoB

3rd choice - N. Africa & Med '40-'42

(Sigh....) I know my chances of being struck by lightning, winning 1st division in the lottery or having a 747 engine fall on my head are all greater, but I'm allowed to dream, right?

Best regards to all,
panther3485

GerritJ9
01-17-2006, 07:26 AM
I voted Med, but am happy with any of the above. WW1 is already being taken care of. My REAL preference would be China/Manchuria/Mongolia and S.E. Asia 1931-1942.

masaker2005
01-17-2006, 10:27 AM
One BIG map with whole Europe and north Africa in it.
Something like this:

Maraz_5SA
01-17-2006, 11:08 AM
Med...

http://www.webalice.it/antonio.maraziti/S84_2584-res.jpg

http://www.webalice.it/antonio.maraziti/NAVE2.jpg

http://www.webalice.it/antonio.maraziti/S79_2832-res.jpg

http://www.webalice.it/antonio.maraziti/juno2.jpg

ploughman
01-17-2006, 11:12 AM
Cr@p jets would be cool, pre-missile. If not BoB in WWII then the Spanish Civil War or the Med.

Either that or an Air-War add-on for Rome Total War. My ballista is under modelled, yak, yak

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-17-2006, 11:20 AM
Med. Cosmopolitan plane set (French, Italian, German, U.S, British + Commonwealth and Brazilian) plus early to late war options (biplanes to P-51D).
I would accept no Westland Whirlwind, but if it didn't have Swordfish and Albacores I'd want my money back.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bartolomeo_ita
01-17-2006, 12:02 PM
med.

LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2006, 12:18 PM
flakwagon:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'll have to throw in another vote for Korea. It has been done before, but never with the depth of the Il-2 Sturmovik series. Most Korean sims include a few U.S. surplus WW2 aircraft, F-86s, P-80s, MiG-15s and little else.

In reality an incredible variety of aircraft from many nations saw service in Korea. A Korean War plane set, if resarched well, would be at least as diverse as the one we currently enjoy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No it won't, and the Devs will notice if they do their research well.

The lack of diversity in a Korean theater is in the difference between operations mounted by UN South and UN North sides (Soviets were nuclear capable member of UN security council). On the South UN side you use (1) bombers and ground attack aircraft, or (2) escort with fighters, on North UN side you fly intercept with fighters. There is no carrier combat like we think of from WW2 Pacific unless a dynamic campaign may choose to let Royal Navy switch side to the North. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif This is NOT the diversity we currently enjoy in WW2 simming where the two sides offer the same wide choice of roles.

India/Pakistan and Iraq/Iran do offer the wide diversity we seek, as well as naval targets. As for missiles, the Indians were smart enough to demand the Soviets arm their planes with GUNS since they knew the missles would not work reliably (at low altitude, see the other thread about good high level performance of Sidewinders over Formosa/China). Missiles and Guns work perfectly together. When one does not work, the other does.

Korea is "diverse" but not as diverse as what we have now, or is available in other theaters from 1950-1990. These are just observations based upon the *best* way to make combat flight sims a mainstream software success, and the Devs will have to ignore the "polls" and think for themselves, and offer what flight simmers will *LOVE* and not merely what flight simmers think they "want." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
01-17-2006, 02:44 PM
For me even if they didnt have every single plane that flew in the theater.. as long as they had the important ones.... my only beef with FB4.xx is no flyable Avenger,B-17,Mossie,Tempest or Lancaster.... and to tell the truth I could even do without the Lanc & the tempest... but the Mossie, Avenger & Fort were like..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif The same could be said for Korea.... I would love it if someone modeled a Mig 15... for this sim....
masaker that map would be great.. but I would like to see one with the Eastern front o it as well.... I am wondering if they will do a ETO,MTO thing... then move east.... and hopefully wind up in the Pacific....

woofiedog
01-17-2006, 02:49 PM
WW1/Korea and coming in second... Battle of France with Medd.

SpartanHoplite
01-17-2006, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

The lack of diversity in a Korean theater is in the difference between operations mounted by UN South and UN North sides (Soviets were nuclear capable member of UN security council). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UN South and UN North? That is a strange kind of distinction you are trying to make.

UN forces were deployed to the South, under UN mandate from the Security Council and fighting under a UN flag. The fact that the Soviet Union was a member of the UN security council doesn't make its forces fighting in North Korea "UN" forces. The Soviet Union was anyway at that time boycotting the Security Council due to its refusal to recognize the People's Republic of China (so I guess they can't be counted as UN forces either!).

But, I'm sure you're right regarding the diversity of aircraft and missions a Korea Sim would include. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SH

Kapteeni
01-17-2006, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by masaker2005:
One BIG map with whole Europe and north Africa in it.
Something like this:
http://www.cultureconnect.com/maps/europe.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
01-17-2006, 04:04 PM
ppl only want korea cos they get hero western planes, and u get to shoot commies, bonus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

it was a pretty 1 sided affair in the air too i belive

ElAurens
01-17-2006, 04:11 PM
The prop aspects of Korea would be interesting, as most simmers have years in the cockpit, unlike the NKPAF, so prop engagements would be pretty even.

Until the first jet jock came along and ruined the fun. Hence the whole problem with Korea.

Jets just spoil all the fun.

Be sure.

SpartanHoplite
01-17-2006, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ppl only want korea cos they get hero western planes, and u get to shoot commies, bonus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats what I want from every sim, except sometimes replace "western" with "commie" or "fascist" and sometimes replace "commies" with "Fascists" or "westerners".

Its really more the hero thing, I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SH

crazyivan1970
01-17-2006, 04:34 PM
Add option for tank sim BC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

darkhorizon11
01-17-2006, 05:10 PM
Korea I think is the next logical step overlooking BoB.

WWI would be interesting although the tempo of combat was really slow. Especially in the air. Closing speeds are slower and short range guns make for less excitement. Combine that with bullets tearing through fabric with the occasional engine fire and a incredibly less occasional flak hit really won't do well in the way of special effects etc.

Once again I respect it as an interesting theatre for some, but because of the nature of the theater itself it won't lend the excitement of other wars. Same thing with a WWI FPS? I only know of one, which wasn't really successful (it actually was a what-if game, if WWI had never ended, the game took place in the 60s, once again I can't remember the name of it.)

Case in point Korea is the next step because of the the transition in aviation. The end of classic piston era that had dominated the previous 50 years of air warfare, which were still a threat to the jets, and again, the ushering in of missiles and jets. Quite a transition and a lot of oppurtunity, both fictional, and historical!

Bearcat99
01-17-2006, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Add option for tank sim BC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah... that would be cool... I would love to see a FPS/CFS merge... sort of like WWIIOL but with the quality of FB/COD/Silent Hunter and the ability to switch from one to the other as long as you had them all on your machine.

VF-51-Dart
01-17-2006, 09:45 PM
PTO period. PF has been the best stab at that theater, but it still comes up short. No one has ever truly done the theater justice, and I'm just a tad tired of the other theaters.

Badsight.
01-17-2006, 09:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ppl only want korea cos they get hero western planes, and u get to shoot commies, bonus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

it was a pretty 1 sided affair in the air too i belive </div></BLOCKQUOTE>rubbish

its because its still the era of DFing , but done with the highest performing DFers

Enforcer572005
01-17-2006, 11:28 PM
Crazy Ivan has a point....a good WW2 tank sim hasnt been around since Panzer commander by SSI, but the brakes would need to work.

I think the IL2 engine would be great for a tank sim, as long as the sim covered a wide area like panzer commander did....east and western fronts, soviet, german, brit, and the desert to. There is NO competition whatsoever out there for that kind of thing, and i dunno why.....panzer commander and sims of its ilk were great fun.

slo123
01-17-2006, 11:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo123:
come on who wouldnt buy a wwI sim that was same engine as il2 i myself much prefer the openess and seat of your pants stuff those planes would offer i think it woud be great and well the korean war look at the f-4 pghantom it didnt even have a gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad the F4 didn't fly till 1958, 5 years after the Korean War. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
oops wrong war.
as if i didnt already look stupid http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
well just laugh now

Ishmael932
01-18-2006, 12:11 AM
I voted WW1 for a couple of reasons.

1. as a former and still current user of Red Baron 3d, I participated in many of the online wars such as the Great War, Red baron World League etc. The game had many squadrons and players for a very long time in the simming community even to this day. when you consider the first games were released in 1996, to 2005 that's some serious longevity.

2. Many of the modders here cut their teeth on RB3d. If you look at the amount of mods and alternate theatres available from SWWISA(Society of World War I Sim Artisans), you can see the depth and breadth of the work they've done. With better graphics and accurate flight models, there's no reason why it could be done better.

3.The number of planes available from the E-3 to the Handley-Page 0/400 or the Gotha g3 lends it to a vast array of mission possibilities.

4. While I acknowldge the slower speeds modeled in sim of this type, this makes pilots remember Boelcke's Dicta, formulated in that war and still used today. This also forces pilots to perfect their dogfighting skills and really watch their energy fighting techniques.

5.Alternate theatres such as the Italian/Austro Hungarian front, the Eastern front, and the Middle east with the Turks also open up other plane and mission possibilities.

I amit to a fondness for wings with wires but I do think the dynamic possibilites of a WW1 sim outweigh any of the other candidates mentioned for all the reasons stated above.

LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2006, 02:01 AM
Ishmael:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">5.Alternate theatres such as the Italian/Austro Hungarian front, the Eastern front, and the Middle east with the Turks also open up other plane and mission possibilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

New sim in the works, Sikorsky ... WW1 Eastern Front ~&gt; http://www.d-strict.com/

ADI_Michael
01-18-2006, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ADI_Michael:
MED MED MED http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
I always hope to see the ITALIAN planes, macchi's, Re2000, Fiat G55...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Friendly_flyer
01-18-2006, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
WWI would be interesting although the tempo of combat was really slow. Especially in the air. Closing speeds are slower and short range guns make for less excitement.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are your for real? Double decker flying is a blast! Try out a few quick missions with Gladiators, Falcos and P-11s, and you quickly see that there's nothing slow about it!

LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2006, 09:24 AM
Ff:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Double decker flying is a blast! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What I'd love most from a WW1 sim is Ein decker flying. Best, I'd love to fly the Taube, the most beautiful plane ever made.

269GA-Veltro
01-18-2006, 12:39 PM
MED after BoB, and Korea as addon for FB.

...but MED after BoB!

darkhorizon11
01-19-2006, 12:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
WWI would be interesting although the tempo of combat was really slow. Especially in the air. Closing speeds are slower and short range guns make for less excitement.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are your for real? Double decker flying is a blast! Try out a few quick missions with Gladiators, Falcos and P-11s, and you quickly see that there's nothing slow about it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What Glads, Falcos, and P.11s? None of those aircraft flew in WWI! The world war II biplanes were wayyy beyond anything in WWI. Not only in horsepower, but firepower, armor, and construction as well. I'm not a WWI aficionado but even I'm not aware of any WWI aircraft that could exceed 160mph in level flight... Nevermind the canvas and wood construction...
Your comparing apples and oranges...

But thats fine, my point is just that with all the adding of uber aircraft in IL2 plus with the Gennadich team already working a WWI sim based on the IL2 engine it won't make sense for Oleg to under ut them and start a new one of this own. Korea I think is the natural progression once world war two is covered again by BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

bazzaah2
01-19-2006, 03:13 AM
I'd love a really updated vesrion of the Mighty Eighth with a full LW campaign as well.

lupo81
01-19-2006, 03:27 AM
ma che domande sono?!?!?!
(but,what a question?!?!)

MEDITERRANEO

Friendly_flyer
01-19-2006, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
What Glads, Falcos, and P.11s? None of those aircraft flew in WWI! The world war II biplanes were wayyy beyond anything in WWI. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know the WWII aircrafts are a lot faster and better armed that their WWI counterparts, bute flying the slowest and most lightly armed planes in teh sim, we do at least get an idea about what direction a WWI-sim might go, and it certaily do not seem to be slow and boring!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> with the Gennadich team already working a WWI sim based on the IL2 engine it won't make sense for Oleg to under ut them and start a new one of this own. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a good point. I am very happy that Gennadich is working on a WWI-sim for the engine. It should be very well suited to this sort of flying. I', not so sure about Corea, though, but that is probably a matter of taste.

stathem
01-19-2006, 05:14 AM
A quote from the preface to Robert Shaw's book:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Paradoxically, the faster speeds of modern fighters have actually
slowed the pace of turning dogfights because of the resulting slower turn
rates. World War I fighters usually could reverse course in less than five
seconds, while today's fighters often require about triple that. More time
provides greater opportunity for the pilot to think and plan during the
engagement, and so reduces the reliance on reflex reactions to the opponent's
maneuvering. Conversely, longer turn radii and greater weapons
range have greatly increased the engagement distances between opposing
fighters, making excellent eyesight even more critical. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>