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PLANEMAD
06-28-2006, 07:09 AM
are we going to get the hub [nose] canon on the new BF109e-3 in the bob sim.

LEBillfish
06-28-2006, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by PLANEMAD:
are we going to get the hub [nose] canon on the new BF109-3 in the bob sim.

Did it have one?.....

JG53Frankyboy
06-28-2006, 07:59 AM
thats a often repeated mistake in a lot of books and internet URLs:
there were never a Bf109E-3 with a engine mounted canon in service.

Bf109E-1 had 4xMG17

Bf109E-3 had 2xMG17 and 2x MG-FF

Bf109E-4 had 2xMG17 and 2xMG-FF/M (could fire mineshells)

VVaFFenPanZZeR
06-28-2006, 08:42 AM
There already is 1 of them in this version, I've flown it.

PLANEMAD
06-28-2006, 02:51 PM
i am sure there were some bf109e-3s using the hub canon in bob 1940 i think i will have to find out.

Treetop64
06-28-2006, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by VVaFFenPanZZeR:
There already is 1 of them in this version, I've flown it.

I think planemad may be asking about the Emils, not any of the Friedrichs or Gustavs. But if you actually flown any of the Emils equipped with a nose cannon in the sim, please share! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


@ PLANEMAD:
- From Axis Aircraft of WWII by Chartwell Books:
"Various combinations of armament had been tried on the BF-109 since its inception, and the hollow propeller shaft of the Bf-109D series had been designed to take a 20mm cannon. Tests showed vibration problems and in most cases the engine-mounted canon was not fitted; similar tests with the Bf-1090E showed that the problem still existed and the standard armament of the series was two 20mm wing cannon and two 7.92mm (0.31 in) machine-guns in the fuselage above the engine, firing through the propeller arc."

JG53Frankyboy
06-28-2006, 05:06 PM
and there were no space behind the engine to mount a MG-FF with its ammo drum - there was the oiltank !

as i said, you will find a LOT of books and URL that will say " Bf109E-3 had 3 canons and 2 MG" - but thats wrong.

like Bf109K-4 with 2 Mg151 over the engine.

lbhskier37
06-28-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
and there were no space behind the engine to mount a MG-FF with its ammo drum - there was the oiltank !

as i said, you will find a LOT of books and URL that will say " Bf109E-3 had 3 canons and 2 MG" - but thats wrong.

like Bf109K-4 with 2 Mg151 over the engine.

Than why did the Emils up until the E-7 have the hole in the spinner?

lbhskier37
06-28-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
and there were no space behind the engine to mount a MG-FF with its ammo drum - there was the oiltank !

as i said, you will find a LOT of books and URL that will say " Bf109E-3 had 3 canons and 2 MG" - but thats wrong.

like Bf109K-4 with 2 Mg151 over the engine.

J_Weaver
06-28-2006, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by lbhskier37:

Than why did the Emils up until the E-7 have the hole in the spinner?

That I have often wondered. It seemes to me like that would create un-needed drag.

Treetop64
06-28-2006, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by J_Weaver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:

Than why did the Emils up until the E-7 have the hole in the spinner?

That I have often wondered. It seemes to me like that would create un-needed drag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It did. I presume it was left there because they were still trying to find ways of fixing the vibration problems with the hub-mounted cannon in the hopes of eventually fitting it in the existing aircraft, and just never bothered with a redesigned hub with no hole. Alas the problem was never solved, and by the time the E7s came around they received a "hole-less" hub.

JG53Frankyboy
06-28-2006, 07:17 PM
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Me110-C0-30s.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
no, it has not 4xMG-FF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Draughluin1
06-29-2006, 03:50 AM
Bf 109E-2 had the hub cannon. Had a brief life. Overheating, vibration and jamming made it unfeasible. Prop hub was left open on the E-3 & E-4 series, covered in the E-7. Idea had earlier been unsucessfully tried in the C-2, C-3 & a few D's, all rarities. It wasn't perfected till the F series.

Regards, Warg

Asgeir_Strips
06-30-2006, 03:37 PM
the MG FF/M, what exactly is mineshells?

NonWonderDog
06-30-2006, 09:42 PM
Thinwall HE shells. More explosive, smaller fragments.

They can't scratch real armor, but they're ideal for tearing aircraft to shreds.