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Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 01:28 AM
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Currently available at: http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 01:28 AM
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Currently available at: http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm

ImpStarDuece
03-20-2005, 01:41 AM
May I be the first to say it.


Wo0T!

jakeand
03-20-2005, 01:43 AM
Downloading

regards

Jake

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 01:53 AM
If that last pic shows up a lot smaller than the others, I apologize. Somebody leaked that pic yesterday and since they are all the same size on my PC and in my photobucket folder, I can only assume that the caches around here think my pic is the leaked smaller pic. I'll re-name it and try again, that should fix things.



Concerning the campaign:
I've tried to make sure I forgot nothing, but it may have been that I did. I'm pretty certain everything is correct, but if not, please see the readme (which should launch during install) and contact me for a solution

KRISTORF
03-20-2005, 02:05 AM
Sorry mate,
Get Cannot find server messege???

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 02:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I am now getting a Microsoft URL as a link, although the link points to the correct URL for download http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I will edit with a link to the website istelf rather than the download URL

Also submitting to Flying Legends in a moment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 02:15 AM
At Airwarfare, it's the latest update on the home page

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 02:24 AM
OK, it's 04:23 here, I'm finally going to bed.

Any problems, contact me, any congratulations also belong to bird_brain and Extreme_One, as well as the playtesting team

Have fun

Extreme_One
03-20-2005, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
OK, it's 04:23 here, I'm finally going to bed.

Any problems, contact me, any congratulations also belong to bird_brain and Extreme_One, as well as the playtesting team

Have fun <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's your party Chuck - I'm just a hanger-on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Congratulations on the release! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fancy waiting until I'd gone to bed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif When's your next one going to be ready? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Feathered_IV
03-20-2005, 03:15 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif 20% downloaded.....c'mon..C'MON

KRISTORF
03-20-2005, 03:23 AM
Sucking now, cheers mate

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif When's your next one going to be ready? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fourteen days

FlatSpinMan
03-20-2005, 03:27 AM
Just downloaded it CO, looking forward to starting. I took the Hawk for an anticipatory spin last night and it is a nice ride. Loved the intro screens in your post, whipping the masses into a frothing frenzy.



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FlatSpinMan - unabashed Il2 series fanboy!

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 03:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KRISTORF:
Sucking now, cheers mate <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ...

I uploaded to Flying Legends, or tried to. After an hour of uploading, I got a message that my .zip contined no data...odd because it's the same .zip that went to airwarfare. Will try to sort it out later.

Really going to bed now. I'm finding me a copy of SHIII tomorrow, I need an FB break

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 03:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
. Loved the intro screens in your post, whipping the masses into a frothing frenzy.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You always should be prepared with the proper exploitation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sgt.Raptor2
03-20-2005, 04:47 AM
Thanks for the Flying Tigers Campaign !!
I just finsihed downloading it. I guess I'll be flying for most of the day ...

Thanks

bird_brain
03-20-2005, 05:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
_Somebody_ leaked that pic yesterday <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whatever do you mean? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Glad to see it up, but the credit is all yours Chuck_Older. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now I can get back to work on the next update. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sgt.Raptor2
03-20-2005, 06:21 AM
Great campaign I completed 3 missions so far

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/jim25/WTCF1.jpg

KRISTORF
03-20-2005, 06:49 AM
Chuck,
I passed it to Jackal who is going to add to site (14.00 GMT)

steve_v
03-20-2005, 07:54 AM
Flew 2 missions this morning and what a bumpy ride. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I found I needed to:

- use PF AA/AF ogl values as missions put a good hit on my hardware
- relaxed my roll settings for better handling, take off and landing http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/712.gif
- print out the cockpit gagues until familiar

had fun. http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/icon_axe.gif

VW-IceFire
03-20-2005, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KRISTORF:
Sucking now, cheers mate <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ...

I uploaded to Flying Legends, or tried to. After an hour of uploading, I got a message that my .zip contined no data...odd because it's the same .zip that went to airwarfare. Will try to sort it out later.

_Really_ going to bed now. I'm finding me a copy of SHIII tomorrow, I need an FB break <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is there a space in the file name? Or is the ZIP extension uppercase? Read their annoucement in the upload area for possible reasons for not working.

It should...my Red Stars campaign on there went up in a second or two.

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KRISTORF:
Sucking now, cheers mate <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ...

I uploaded to Flying Legends, or tried to. After an hour of uploading, I got a message that my .zip contined no data...odd because it's the same .zip that went to airwarfare. Will try to sort it out later.

_Really_ going to bed now. I'm finding me a copy of SHIII tomorrow, I need an FB break <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is there a space in the file name? Or is the ZIP extension uppercase? Read their annoucement in the upload area for possible reasons for not working.

It should...my Red Stars campaign on there went up in a second or two. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, only error was it was too big, it's being taken care of on FL's side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaNorris
03-20-2005, 08:29 AM
On the first mission the MBR crashes into the sea straight away.... any ideas chuck?

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:39 AM
Sarge raptor-

I notice you're using the default Hawk 81 skin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Are you choosing to use it, or didn't you get a '3rd.bmp' skin with your campaign? The same artist did both the default and the '3rd.bmp', but the default skin will always display the 'hell's angel' of 3rd sqaudron, but the blue fuselage band of 2nd squadron

Please tell me that the correct skin got to you (if you scroll down to the bottom of each breifing, you'll see what skin yo use)

In my test-install, the campaign actually made the correct folder, as well as inatlling the two H81A-2 skins the campaign needs (the stock H8A1-2 folder is incorrect)

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaNorris:
_On the first mission the MBR crashes into the sea straight away.... any ideas chuck? _ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dot dot dot, dash dash dash dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot dash dash dash?

Seriously, you're the first to report this behavior. I'd ignore it. If it bugs you, I can tell you how to eliminate the MBR, but it is eye-candy, completely irrelevant to the mssion. If it crashes, well, they gots rafts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . Aircraft accidents will be visible during the campaign on purpose anyway, if you look in the right places

SeaNorris
03-20-2005, 08:42 AM
So chuck what about the MBR?

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:43 AM
See previous post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
Flew 2 missions this morning and what a bumpy ride. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I found I needed to:

- use PF AA/AF ogl values as missions put a good hit on my hardware
- relaxed my roll settings for better handling, take off and landing http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/712.gif
- print out the cockpit gagues until familiar

had fun. http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/icon_axe.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's exactly why those first two missions are there, Steve http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif To get you used to the H81A-2

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
All campaign missions should also be in your single mission folder now, too, if you want to practice

FlatSpinMan
03-20-2005, 08:58 AM
Done the first two and they went smooth as silk (apart from my screwed up landing the second one). the skins installed right, got all the bonus pics and things. It is a really well put together campaign from what i have seen so far, so much better than DGen. the briefings are really smart - set the mood, give useful flying tips. Nice job, m8.

SeaNorris
03-20-2005, 08:58 AM
Anyway Chuck its a great mission and im running on full grapics

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 09:05 AM
SeaNorris-

How's the MBR crash look? Is it worth watching? Did you see it in-cockpit at all?

I might go take a look just to see the spectacle. Those guys will be all right, a little towelling off and they'll be back in the mess tonight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaNorris
03-20-2005, 09:07 AM
No from the very start it just goes down and crashes into sea (No surviors, with bombs)

SpartanHoplite
03-20-2005, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaNorris:
No from the very start it just goes down and crashes into sea (No surviors, with bombs) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, same for me. No biggie, though, and I'm really enjoying the campaign so far.

SH

Saunders1953
03-20-2005, 09:16 AM
Chris..I stayed up until 2:30 AM last night and got the first two orientation rides in. This is my first "real" campaign ever. What I mean is that I almost always fly single missions--my own from FMB, single mission downloads, ones from dld'd campaigns, or using Uberdeamon's UQMB I never really seriously bothered with a campaign until this one. I have tasted some, but usually it's a struggle for me just to figure out how to download/install them. I have tried a Wake Island one, but I cheated in the early stages and flew alot on autopilot in the orientgation rides, and even in some missions, and never finished it. For some reason, your campaign (maybe it was all the buzz you generated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) got me really interested in doing it right, and on my own with no auto pilot for once. LOL, my right shoulder is sore this morning!

I'm no expert, but as a newbie to campaigns, I think you did an exellent job: first, with the dld/install, becuase it was effortless. Your readme was informative and covered everything I needed to know. Your extra information on the AVG made me realize how much about their exploits I was unfamiliar with. And your intro movie was great; it even showed your high side 70-80 degree deflection shooting at bombers like you discussed in an earlir thread here. And finally, the briefings are fun--to the point, no nonense "here's the intell, now go out there and earn your pay" type that helps the immersion.

Thanks for this effort, I think I can best "repay" you by hopping into my 'Hawk and heading over to defend Rangoon.....and enjoying the sh*t out of WTCF!

Cmheers!

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 09:25 AM
Saunders-

All of the installation magic was bird_brain's babyhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif So he deserves the thanks for that part, we talked about it a bit, and I was having trouble getting that done right, so he offered to do that for me . I'm still looking into learning that process, It is handy stuff to know!

I'm gald you took a minute to go through the pics and misc. things I included. The URLs are pretty good, too, if you're interested http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

One of the reasons I did this was because even though the name of the sim is "Forgotten Battles", the sim itself overlooks one of the most famous and romanticized aerial campaigns ever flown- the exploits of the American Volunteer Group. Names like Tex Hill, Erik Shilling, RT Smith, Charles Older (the reason I choose my username is because of a toy airplane I had when I was four) and even Claire Chennault aren't well known, for some reason. Their actions are unknown compared to almost all others with the possible exception of what happened at Attu and Kiska in the Aluetians (hmmm...that's a good place for a small campaign...)

I'm glad you're enjoying it

Box-weasel
03-20-2005, 09:57 AM
FYI: updated_wtcf_ki-43_skins.zip has been submitted to Airwarfare.com

-HH- Beebop
03-20-2005, 09:59 AM
Sir;

First thing I did when I got up this morning was check to see how your cmapign was coming along. I've been following the thread daily watching the progress. As a mission builder I can certainly appreciate what you went through to make this happen.

So I find the "Announcement" thread and after calming down from the giddy excitement I've downloaded it. Today I begin flying with tigers!

Chuck, thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in to this for us. I'm looking forward to this like you wouldn't belive.
Also thanks to bird_brain and Extreme One along with your playtesting team. With a support group like that this is bound to be one great experience.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -HH- Beebop:
Sir;

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be thinking of my Dad

KRISTORF
03-20-2005, 10:18 AM
I uploaded it onto FL for you Chris.

Flew the first two missions on perfect and no probs at all, got to say it looks awesome.
Thx for the time you and others put into the campaign

YAKMAN1968
03-20-2005, 10:20 AM
Sweet Chuck, just downloaded it & will play later in the morning(03:20 here) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

-HH- Beebop
03-20-2005, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -HH- Beebop:
Sir;

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must be thinking of my Dad <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a sign of respect........Chuck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 10:32 AM
needless. All I did was make a campaign.

-HH- Beebop
03-20-2005, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
needless. All I did was make a campaign. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, you didn't cure cancer or anything like that but still it took effort, time and skill and you give it to us for free.
THAT deserves respect IMO.

No matter, I still really appreciate what you've done.

Thank you.

Sgt.Raptor2
03-20-2005, 11:33 AM
Aircraft Skin: Hawk81 A-2 1941
Skin of plaine: 3rd bmp

Great Campaign !!

BurningBeard
03-20-2005, 12:31 PM
Downloaded it this morning and it is great, I really like the intro movie. I have one anomally you may find amusing. I flew the first mission as a single and decided what the heck, I'll fly the whole campaign anyway, so I went back and started over. When I went to campaign mode it put me in plane Nr. 14 as the wingman following 13.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/US94_Burning_Beard/US94/Nr13.jpg


go figure lol

Beard

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BurningBeard:
Downloaded it this morning and it is great, I really like the intro movie. I have one anomally you may find amusing. I flew the first mission as a single and decided what the heck, I'll fly the whole campaign anyway, so I went back and started over. When I went to campaign mode it put me in plane Nr. 14 as the wingman following 13.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/US94_Burning_Beard/US94/Nr13.jpg


go figure lol

Beard <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What rank is your pilot?

Any starting rank less than "Major" will make the player a wingman (I warn against this in the campaign selection text in-game, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif as well as the readme) You may be flying wing for a while...shouldn't really matter, I think, but it may make a few breifings seem odd

Avid_
03-20-2005, 12:43 PM
I downloaded this morning and have flown the first two missions so far. I have yet to ground loop a Hawk but I'm waiting to do it sooner or later. Thanks for the advice in the readme on flying the tail quickly, that tip makes the Hawk flyable now.

Lastly, to add to the rest of the posts of appreciation, thank you for putting in the time to create this campaign. You, as well as other designers, have added greatly to my enjoyment of this game. The fact that you do it as an unselfish labor of love makes me even more appreciative.

Thanks again,

Avid

BurningBeard
03-20-2005, 12:48 PM
That explains it, I started out as a Flight Officer, it make navigation easier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks again,
Beard

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 12:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 12:49 PM
Avid-
The Hawk is a funny bird, but it gets the job done. Glad you're enjoying the campaign

EURO_Snoopy
03-20-2005, 12:54 PM
Box-weasels updated skins for WTCF campaign with corrected Hinomaru size and colors have been uploaded to the WTCF Campaign page (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_wtcf.htm)

Saunders1953
03-20-2005, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> True, you didn't cure cancer or anything like that but still it took effort, time and skill and you give it to us for free.
THAT deserves respect IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got that right! Having created 40+ missions in FMB, I can imagine all the work that went into this piece, Chuck/Chris. Well thought out, well executed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have yet to ground loop a Hawk but I'm waiting to do it sooner or later. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've flown the first five missions since dld last night (I got killed in the first two combat missions and so I have 7 under my belt--refly is nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and managed to groundloop my shot up P40 after the C-47 escort mission--I should have gone in with the gear up. Having a blast!

SpartanHoplite
03-20-2005, 01:11 PM
Man, I'm loving this campaign!

Not to pick the scabs with Oleg and Co., but how did they send out PF without an AVG campaign? The Battle of Britain and the Flying Tigers are the only air battles of WW2 that have really entered into the collective consciousness in the West, so to speak...

But anyway, great work so far!

SH

bird_brain
03-20-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpartanHoplite:
.... but how did they send out PF without an AVG campaign? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They knew some inspired soul would come along and do a much better job than they had time for. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
They give us the tools and we figure out how to use them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BurningBeard
03-20-2005, 01:30 PM
Chuck,

YOu may not have seen this, it is something I posted on the screenshot thread a while back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/US94_Burning_Beard/US94/BookCover.jpg

Beard

SpartanHoplite
03-20-2005, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpartanHoplite:
.... but how did they send out PF without an AVG campaign? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They knew some inspired soul would come along and do a much better job than they had time for. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
They give us the tools and we figure out how to use them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Asked rhetorically and answered well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SH

gbollin
03-20-2005, 04:39 PM
Chuck,I downloaded your campaign,so far it is
really great. I was Thinking though if I
copied it to my None country folder would it still work? In that country file I have an AVG
Medal and Rank pack that I think would work
very well with your Campaign.

bird_brain
03-20-2005, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gbollin:
Chuck,I downloaded your campaign,so far it is
really great. I was Thinking though if I
copied it to my None country folder would it still work? In that country file I have an AVG
Medal and Rank pack that I think would work
very well with your Campaign. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't mean to barge in, but I tested it & yes, it does work. Can I get a copy of the medals? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

gbollin
03-20-2005, 05:07 PM
I got the medal Pack from a site called com central downloads along with and old AVG campaign. But that campagn has problems runnimg in PF. It also came with AVG Pilot skins.
You can probably get them from there faster
than I could give them to you as I am off to work a 12 hr. night shift as we speek.

civildog
03-20-2005, 05:17 PM
This sort of thing is the ONLY reason I bought PF in the first place! Heartfelt thanks!

JadehawkII
03-20-2005, 07:35 PM
ok, Just downloaded it from http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_wtcf.htm

Everytime I do and try to extract it, says there are NO files to extract. Must I sacrafice a Mac or something to get it to work? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JadehawkII:
ok, Just downloaded it from http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_wtcf.htm

Everytime I do and try to extract it, says there are NO files to extract. Must I sacrafice a Mac or something to get it to work? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's quite odd...perhaps too many downloads?

Try again, and if it won't work, contact the admin.

You can also try at http://www.flying-legends.net/
You will need to register of course, but after that, go to 'downloads' and you should be OK

If not, shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gbollin:
Chuck,I downloaded your campaign,so far it is
really great. I was Thinking though if I
copied it to my None country folder would it still work? In that country file I have an AVG
Medal and Rank pack that I think would work
very well with your Campaign. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

???

really? I may be interested in that. I kept everything in the "US" branch for simplicity's sake, but Chinese medal and AVG rank is intriguing to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



I can't tell everyone how pleased I am that the campaign is so well anticapated and received. I'm quite happy it's filling a gap in FB that folks wanted to havehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

bird_brain
03-20-2005, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I may be interested in that <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I tried to find it from the post but no luck. I would like to see it too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JadehawkII
03-20-2005, 08:52 PM
OK got it downloaded, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif But had to from my AOL browser. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif I guess my trusty Netscape browser has gone lost it's marbels for the moment! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Gotta go play now...wish me luck and thanks Chuck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Good luck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

EURO_Snoopy
03-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Congrats Chuck, WTCF has broken all records for a first day download at airwarfare.com. Over 500 hits on the WTCF page in 18 hours! Pushed our daily unique visitors to almost 2000

Chuck_Older
03-20-2005, 09:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
Congrats Chuck, WTCF has broken all records for a first day download at airwarfare.com. Over 500 hits on the WTCF page in 18 hours! Pushed our daily unique visitors to almost 2000 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that's what the FMB is for http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks so much for making room for my campaign, and thanks for getting it available so quickly. Without websites like yours, we'd all still be swapping QMB quicks. I did a little more of the high-profile "sexy" stuff, but guys like you and Sharx make it possible in the first place. We should be thanking you lot for the opportunity to make it a community-wide event http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bird_brain
03-20-2005, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
WTCF has broken all records for a first day download at airwarfare.com. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very cool C_O.....I knew it was going to be a hit! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Congratulations!
Just wait till they fly the whole thing! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

YAKMAN1968
03-20-2005, 11:16 PM
Chuck & Bird send me a PM with your email & I'll send them off to you.

Avid_
03-21-2005, 12:15 AM
Hey Chuck, a couple quick questions for you.

1. It seems the splash screen for WTCF has replaced the splash screen for the other campaign, El Alamein, I am flying as well. Both are USAAF campaigns so I am assuming this is a normal thing. Not really an issue for playability I am just wondering if it is something I should be concerned with.

2. Is there a way to change rank after a campaign is started? I started at a rank below Major without realizing that was not a good thing to do. If I will gain rank during the campaign no big deal, but if not I am hoping I can change a setting in a config file instead of starting the campaign all over again.

Thanks,

Avid

gbollin
03-21-2005, 01:23 AM
I am sorry, I was going by the link in my favorites section.The actual site is
com-central.net (http://com-central.net).It is in thier old downloads section.

Sturmvogel66
03-21-2005, 02:26 AM
Just finished mission number three, six kills... just had to plink em and get their engine to start smoking and eventually as I RTBed I got the Enemy Aircraft Destroyed memo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyway, I am just curious, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but I have done three missions, how many more is this free lance volunteer pilot looking at? What is thet total? Or is it a secret to be revealed at a later date? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

bird_brain
03-21-2005, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Avid_:
1. It seems the splash screen for WTCF has replaced the splash screen for the other campaign, El Alamein, I am flying as well. Both are USAAF campaigns so I am assuming this is a normal thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The splash screen is determined by a little file called background.mat stored in your Missions/Campaign/US folder. The AVG splash is named background_AVG and the one from El Alamein is named background_al_us. If you open the .mat file and change the file it is looking for, you can get either one to show up. The only catch is that if you have MS Access on your computer, you will temporarily have to change the association of the .mat file because it will try and open it as a "Microsoft Access Table". I just copied it to a disc & used my kids' computer real quick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sgt.Raptor2
03-21-2005, 06:18 AM
Great Campaign I like the opening movie and the missions great job !!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/jim25/FTM2.jpg

tsisqua
03-21-2005, 07:21 AM
Chuck,

I don't think that you realize what an important campaign this is to the game . . . perhaps not the most historically important campaign, but rather to this game. All of us yanks are enamoured by the AVG volunteers. Who hasn't seen the movies, then researched the actual history a bit? Who hasn't watched the movie starring John Wayne as Claire? What kid hasn't been totally taken in by the the sharkmouth and tiger paint job? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well, I am very excited about this. I have the campaign and all the updated skins in place. I started the campaign as a Major, as you directed. I highly suggest to everyone that you read EVERYTHING before starting this campaign. I read alot of posts here that were folks having problems that could have been avoided.

Chuck, you took alot of time, and included very precise instructions as to how to install and play this long-awaited campaign. This is going to be good . . . very good. I watched the opening track, and am getting even more excited about this. I didn't turn off "engine overheating", and want to try it this way first. I don't anticipate a high score for the campaign because of this, but like always for me, my mission is survival. The kills (and the $500.00 bonuses http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) are purely extra fun. If it gets unplayable for me because of this I can always start over again.

Lastly, to Jay and SImon: You guys are truly appreciated. I suggested to the mission builder forum some time back that an Aces mission pack where you get to fly missions of aces be made. Jay jumped right on the challenge, and created "The World's Greates Aces" mission pack. Everyone knows about Simon's campaigns, as well as help that he offers other campaign builders. Thank you Bird_Brain, and Extreme_One, for your help to Chuck on this.

Chuck, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tsisqua

BFawlty
03-21-2005, 09:14 AM
Well done, just downloaded, looking forward to giving it a go. Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BF

Avid_
03-21-2005, 11:27 AM
Bird Brain,

Thanks for the reply. I found the background.mat file and made the changes. By the way the El Alamein campaign is a hoot!! I just finished the second of the all Yank missions (I forget which number it was in the grand scheme) and I got bounced hard. Never saw the Hun in the sun and they tore through my flight like a hot knife through butter. All I remember if flying along and the next thing I know there are tracers flying past my cockpit. Since I am using VAC I'm screaming in my mic for the flight to BREAK!!! Great immersion and fun!!!

Thanks for the campaign!!

Avid

Extreme_One
03-21-2005, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
Congrats Chuck, WTCF has broken all records for a first day download at airwarfare.com. Over 500 hits on the WTCF page in 18 hours! Pushed our daily unique visitors to almost 2000 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I, for one, am not at all surprised.

Well done Chuck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Capt._Tenneal
03-21-2005, 01:27 PM
I just saw this announcement today. I'll download it and try it out, thanks !

So, is Chuck doing the rounds of the talk shows to promote this. Oprah, Dateline, Larry King... ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Avid_
03-21-2005, 05:54 PM
Hey Chuck,

Nice touch on Mission 4 to come back to the field and have a smokey Hawk on the tarmac. Felt like I was at the scene of a crash, I had to slow down and look while I taxied by. Little things like this are always cool.

Avid

han freak solo
03-21-2005, 10:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Chuck,

I don't think that you realize what an important campaign this is to the game . . . perhaps not the most historically important campaign, but rather _to this game_. All of us yanks are enamoured by the AVG volunteers. Who hasn't seen the movies, then researched the actual history a bit? Who hasn't watched the movie starring John Wayne as Claire? What kid hasn't been totally taken in by the the sharkmouth and tiger paint job? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, what he said goes for me, too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Patagonic
03-22-2005, 04:29 AM
Excellent job!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Flew 4 missions so far. The Bomber formations from the third mission is absolutely amazing!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

AWL_Spinner
03-22-2005, 04:49 AM
How did I miss this earlier?

Downloading as soon as I get home from work!

Cheers Chuck et al!

fabianfred
03-22-2005, 05:23 AM
I'm enjoying this too....
mine installed perfectly.... read all the goodies....

this is the first time i've player a campaign and not yet used 'autopilot'.... usually I'm a bit lazy that way.... so far no take-off crashes... but messed up the landing on the second mission http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

One point.... if you want to get rid of the bombers on the third mission, instead of having them circling in the corner of the map, just add a few zeros to their final waypoint co-ords in notepad.... gets them well off the map and they just go down when their fuel runs out....

unfortunately with the FM as it is if you only put one bullet in a plane, then when it eventually goes down from lack of fuel whilst the mission is still not over, you get credited with a kill.....

if you are having them fly off the map then give them full fuel, and don't hold back on those extra zeros... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AWL_Spinner
03-22-2005, 05:58 AM
Have you put this up in the Pacific Fighters forum? Not everyone there frequents General Discussion and I'm sure there's a lot of AVG afficionados over there.

Jeez, I wish they'd combine these forums (fora?).

tsisqua
03-22-2005, 06:26 AM
Well, I am getting a bit better used to the plane. Tip: Hold "B" down while running up the engine to get your tailwheel off the ground for takeoff. Be carefull not to get a prop strike, though; just use slight pressure on the stick. As soon as the tail is up pretty well, release "B", and you won't have to ride so rough on your trip up the runway. It seems that the crazy wobbbling effect only occurs when the tailwheel is touching the ground, so the sooner that you can make that happen the better.

Now, I just have to remember to tell the silly AI wingman (and entire flight!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif) not to follow me in to land. I hate being killed by a stupid pixel-pilot that was trying to stay in formation with me as I was landing.

Havin Great Fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Tsisqua

bird_brain
03-22-2005, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
I didn't turn off "engine overheating", and want to try it this way first. I don't anticipate a high score for the campaign because of this..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never turned it off and never had any problem with it throughout the campaign. 55 air kills & wound up as a Colonel.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Lastly, to Jay and SImon: You guys are truly appreciated...... Thank you Bird_Brain, and Extreme_One, for your help to Chuck on this.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just offered suggestions and tested it but everyone is welcome anyway. I am more than happy to be associated with it even though Chuck _Older did all the work! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I offered to help because I actually wanted to do an AVG campaign myself.... Fortunately C_O got to it first because he did much better job than I would have. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

bird_brain
03-25-2005, 06:42 PM
What the heck happened to Chuck_Older anyway.... MIA for a whole week! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Chuck_Older
03-25-2005, 06:55 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=857101043

He's lurking around here still, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just taking a break

fabianfred
03-25-2005, 07:21 PM
just re-read my copy of 'Baa Baa Black Sheep'

you forgot to add those beautiful half-caste and quarter-caste women he mentioned that they took from Singapore.... and the tame Leopard too

just finished mission 12 and having fun....
it wasn't until I saw your second track that I realised you could open the hood on those hawks..
H aven't got there yet... but I assume the attack on an airfield in Thailand was the one on Chiangmai in Boyington's book... where I live now...(well at Fang actually, 150km up the road to MaeSai and the Golden triangle)

BTW I thought Epilogue came after and Prologue came before...??

bird_brain
03-25-2005, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=857101043

He's lurking around here still, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just taking a break <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Traitor!..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Oh wait isn't that Ubisoft too?

Is SHIII that good? I have seen it all over the boards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fabianfred:
where I live now...(well at Fang actually, 150km up the road to MaeSai and the Golden triangle) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Any poppy fields in the neighborhood? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Chuck_Older
03-25-2005, 07:29 PM
If you like that sort of thing, it's great.

hey, I hear tell about a Ki-27 in the works....if we get it, you know what I'm going to have to do, right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I think another 12 missions would do it just fine

bird_brain
03-25-2005, 07:33 PM
Or even a 1st squadron sequel.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

tsisqua
03-25-2005, 07:36 PM
I re watched my Flying Tigers movie, and was surprised at the opening credits . . . :

" . . . Amy similarities to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental . . . etc."

John Wayne didn't play Claire, but rather a guy named "Jim" something or the other. Oh, well, it was great inspiration, and when I read the mission briefing now, I imagine John Wayne's voice as my CO. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, the train was a nice touch, and I am flying with icons and mini map path turned off. I write down the headings and way points before starting the mission. Its actually the first full difficulty campaign that I have played, and I was a bit hesitant at first, but this has really raised the bar on how much fun I was having before. I didn't know what I was missing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks again, Chuck!
Tsisqua

Chuck_Older
03-25-2005, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fabianfred:
BTW I thought Epilogue came after and Prologue came before...?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are correct.


Why? is the book screwy?

Chuck_Older
03-25-2005, 07:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:

BTW, the train was a nice touch, and I am flying with icons and mini map path turned off. I write down the headings and way points before starting the mission. Its actually the first full difficulty campaign that I have played, and I was a bit hesitant at first, but this has really raised the bar on how much fun I was having before. I didn't know what I was missing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks again, Chuck!
Tsisqua <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried to throw in some cool things you may, or may not, see

there's a train de-railment in one of the missions, too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm glad you're enjoying it

fabianfred
03-25-2005, 07:53 PM
it is just that you named your opening track as ..epilogue


no poppy fields in Thailand anymore... they torched them years ago and put the hilltribes to growing cabbages instead..

anyway, as a Buddhist I try to avoid drugs and alcohol...

Dean_Clean
03-25-2005, 08:47 PM
I liked it so much I fear I have done something a bit off the deep end....


http://home.comcast.net/~mookie2600/avgtat_001.JPG

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Dean_Clean
03-25-2005, 08:49 PM
Oh Yeah, Thanks a bunch, Chuck.

bird_brain
03-25-2005, 09:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fabianfred:
no poppy fields in Thailand anymore... they torched them years ago and put the hilltribes to growing cabbages instead..
anyway, as a Buddhist I try to avoid drugs and alcohol... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am glad to hear it. The less the better! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
As a Catholic, I do too, it just doesn't always work with the alchohol part. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Chuck_Older
03-26-2005, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fabianfred:
it is just that you named your opening track as ..epilogue


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I think you've checked out the config file for the campaign and become hoodwinked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The intro is named "MOVIEONE"

here's how that works:
______________________________________________
[Main]
Class il2.game.campaign.CampaignRed
awardsClass il2.game.campaign.AwardsRUfighter
EpilogueTrack Missions/Campaign/US/AVG/video/AVGEPILOGUE
[list]
* Missions/Campaign/US/AVG/video/MOVIEONE
AVG_01.mis
AVG_02.mis
AVG_03.mis
AVG_04.mis
AVG_05.mis
AVG_06.mis
AVG_07.mis
AVG_08.mis
AVG_09.mis
AVG_10.mis
AVG_11.mis
AVG_12.mis
* Missions/Campaign/US/AVG/video/MOVIETWO
AVG_13.mis
AVG_14.mis
AVG_15.mis
AVG_16.mis
AVG_17.mis
AVG_18.mis
AVG_19.mis
AVG_20.mis
AVG_21.mis
* Missions/Campaign/US/AVG/video/MOVIETHREE
AVG_22.mis
AVG_23.mis
AVG_24.mis
AVG_25.mis
AVG_26.mis
AVG_27.mis
AVG_28.mis
AVG_29.mis
AVG_30.mis
AVG_31.mis
AVG_32.mis
AVG_33.mis
AVG_34.mis
_________________________________________
Everything you see under the heading [list] plays in the order it is listed. So, in that config file from my campaign, MOVIEONE plays first. The asterisk (*) makes it play in the 'old black and white film' mode

So, what you get is MOVIEONE, then mission AVG_01, etc, and the missions and movies play in order.

Now the confusing part: After it does all that, it goes back to the [main] heading and reads the epilogue path

For some reason, you have to denote the epilogue track before you even list a mission. So, the lines before the [list] heading, under [main], has to have the epilogue path listed. It's just how it works. MOVIEONE is the intro, AVGEPILOGUE is the epilogue. But you have to list the last movie track first, before you even list the first (intro) track in the mission list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Chuck_Older
03-26-2005, 07:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dean_Clean:
I liked it so much I fear I have done something a bit off the deep end....


http://home.comcast.net/~mookie2600/avgtat_001.JPG

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Nice ink! Not my thing, but I know some tatoo artists and that's very good work

fabianfred
03-26-2005, 07:21 AM
thanks for the info on that Chuck...I pasted it into a file i keep for useful stuff to know...

My parents brought me up as catholic too, and my brothers and sisters are too, but after joining the army i went my own way..

I played the 17th mission..... first time i got killed in the campaign, apart from a stupid landing on the second... had several planes down, then took a hit to my controls and couldn't get out in time ... too low over the forest... was pissed off at the other Avg unit as they just hung around their station and didn't bother to follow the bombers after they caried on.... my boys do whatever i tell them...
I adjusted their waypoints in the FMB then re-flew, but they weren't much better... too many bombers for us to get so they still dropped some eggs

went after the nuisance raider .....laughed alot... remembered to switch off icons or it would be too easy.... better flown at night when you can put the room lights out... at first I went too high, then spotted a white feather where it had been hit by ground fire and had a fuel leak... fired a couple of bursts then lost it again... the searchlight never seems to be close, probably better when the plane is higher.... anyway, found it al right ... I collided head-on with it ....ha ha ha
re-flew but took ages to find it then after putting it down made a bad landing... got out OK but the plane was repairable

19th mission we did well as only 2 bombers got to our airfield and they had no bombs left to drop.... i downed a couple then my engine stopped, but i got another and a fighter whilst gliding then made a good landing in a tiny clearing in the forest.... stayed in my seat and directed my boys to keep attacking the bombers (they slack off if you aren't with them and you have to get on their case often)

the atack on Chiangmai was fun I did some of the lowest ground attack i've ever done (trying to get the AI AAA to shoot their own stuff up)

Chuck_Older
03-26-2005, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fabianfred: was pissed off at the other Avg unit as they just hung around their station and didn't bother to follow the bombers after they caried on.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifThis phenomenon is called "Mission Designer Laziness"

dazza9806482
03-27-2005, 05:11 AM
Hi Chuck

6 missions in and im really enjoying your campaign, excellent mission design and a real attention to detail.

the most staggering thing so far is the sheer amount of enemies (bombers), you really feel a dramatic sense of scale that just doesnt exist in dynamic campaigns

also the Hawk! its a plane i never thought about flyin before, but it a joy, the roll rate is incredible.

the ammo load and potential targets also makes u pick ur shots and spraying is right out.

really well done mate, thanks for making this campaign, IL2 as it should be played

tsisqua
03-27-2005, 09:02 AM
Yep, I am growing to love this plane. It won't be my regular ride, but I consider this tdy duty. I love campaigns that make me fly other planes than what I normally fly.

However, I never want to hear from anyone ever again about how hard the King Cobra is to takeoff and land. I had to spend a day flying the Hawk to even start the campaign.

Of course, I'm not the greatst pilot who ever lived.

Tsisqua

SeaNorris
03-27-2005, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dean_Clean:
I liked it so much I fear I have done something a bit off the deep end....


http://home.comcast.net/~mookie2600/avgtat_001.JPG

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Nice ink! Not my thing, but I know some tatoo artists and that's very good work <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep a very nice tatoo you got there.

fabianfred
03-28-2005, 08:30 AM
mission 22 was a bar-steward...those nip fighters were good...
they got me twice, then on the third re-fly wounded me and damaged my controls, but my mates came to the rescue in time...(of course, because we lead our flight we are the closest enemy to the AI when we get in range, so they 'lock-on' to us fanatically and ignore other targets.....sigh!) well I regained control and tryed to catch up with the bombers again.... very slowly gaining height and fighting the controls through a red mist.... eventually got within range after they had bombed their target, but got two before the ammo gave out... then decision time... bail over my field or try to land.... hell, they said our planes were in short supply so give it a go.... got down oK but couldn't hold it straight on the runway... hit the grass and almost nosed-over... but it was worth it, they gave me the silver star for that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

first go down the gorge was hectic... if we had stayed to expend all ammo the AA would have got us for sure....two runs was enough... tried the column on the way out, but it was all tanks and we didn't touch them...

big show with three flights against many bombers was good...none of the AVG went down and only six bombers survived

fighter sweep down the gorge was a lovely view of the mountain tops standing above the muck below..... a hard fight too, we lost four...


when I've finished I'll do it again.... but harder... no minimap path, no map icons, no speedbar.... may have a go as an indian istead of as a chief...

T_O_A_D
03-28-2005, 12:09 PM
Well I finally got a chance to fly it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I don't fly single player much, But I just got up to the 4th mission, I can't beleive how good this plane is against the Japenese. I got an Air medal in the third flight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
03-28-2005, 03:56 PM
Glad you're enjoying it!


There is one player who is having a very odd problem, however:

he cannot control the aircraft when playing my campaign. The only thing that will work is view commands. If he plays my campaign, or my single missions that make up the campaign, control of the a/c is impossible.

However, when he isn't flying (or rather, trying to) fly my campaign, everything works fine!

Does anyone have any ideas?!?

fabianfred
03-28-2005, 05:02 PM
was the hawk part f PF or did it come in a patch...
re-download, re-install patch
maybe corrupt somewhere
never heard of a plane specific problem of that sort before...

T_O_A_D
03-28-2005, 05:12 PM
No idea Chuck it all works fine for me. I have VAC so all I have to do is speak the commands. It really make single player alot more interesting.

Only odd thing I have about the game since last patch is it will no longer take screen shots. I have to use Fraps to get them.

One question is the mission set to raise your rank, Or is it just my succsess so far that caused me to get higher rank? Because after Mission 4 I became a Lt.Col.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Glad you're enjoying it!


There is one player who is having a very odd problem, however:

he cannot control the aircraft when playing my campaign. The only thing that will work is view commands. If he plays my campaign, or my single missions that make up the campaign, control of the a/c is impossible.

However, when he isn't flying (or rather, trying to) fly my campaign, everything works fine!

Does anyone have any ideas?!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wayno7777
03-28-2005, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Glad you're enjoying it!


There is one player who is having a very odd problem, however:

he cannot control the aircraft when playing my campaign. The only thing that will work is view commands. If he plays my campaign, or my single missions that make up the campaign, control of the a/c is impossible.

However, when he isn't flying (or rather, trying to) fly my campaign, everything works fine!

Does anyone have any ideas?!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm having a prob similar to that. Didn't have time to fiddle. When I start, after the movie the first mission loads and when it hits 100%
it shows a 2\3rds view. I hit F2 and can see my plane. But I can't start it. I wonder if I need to check the name of the folder the Hawk is in. Either that or I can check it in QMT.

fabianfred
03-29-2005, 04:54 AM
these people with problems are not using the PF only install are they...?

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 07:11 AM
T_O_A_D-

rank is like that because of your squadmate's skill. In order to keep them from getting slaughtered by the often numerous AI, they are veteran, usually. SO to lead the flight, you had to start at a high rank. I figured the gameplay benefit was worth to weird high rank

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Glad you're enjoying it!


There is one player who is having a very odd problem, however:

he cannot control the aircraft when playing my campaign. The only thing that will work is view commands. If he plays my campaign, or my single missions that make up the campaign, control of the a/c is impossible.

However, when he isn't flying (or rather, trying to) fly my campaign, everything works fine!

Does anyone have any ideas?!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm having a prob similar to that. Didn't have time to fiddle. When I start, after the movie the first mission loads and when it hits 100%
it shows a 2\3rds view. I hit F2 and can see my plane. But I can't start it. I wonder if I need to check the name of the folder the Hawk is in. Either that or I can check it in QMT. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The campaign makes the correct Hawk folder. When I tested it, I deleted my hawk folder, and the campaign install created the correct one automatically. I was very aware of the hawk folder issue that exists in the sim and took pains to ensure correct skin placement.


I'm unsure what you mean by '2/3rds view' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 07:21 AM
Oh, Wayno-

What else is running in your FB install? You have FB,ACE, PF, ok, but what about MAT manager, Il2 Stab, etc? DCG, perhaps?

wayno7777
03-29-2005, 08:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Oh, Wayno-

What else is running in your FB install? You have FB,ACE, PF, ok, but what about MAT manager, Il2 Stab, etc? DCG, perhaps? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I usually start with Stab. All I see is the sky. The bottom third is blank. I'm gonna go try again. Let ya know how it goes.

Oh, and I have it in the merged 3.04.

Here's a screenie
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Startofcampaignscreenshot.jpg

EURO_Snoopy
03-30-2005, 01:15 AM
That pic indicates that there is not a flyable aircraft available. The most likely cause is a bad install, somewhere along the way you missed a patch or the AEP install itself

Petey78
03-30-2005, 02:07 AM
I'm a few rides in on this campaign and am having a blast, it's an absolutely superb effort and very immersive. A big thankyou and much respect to Chris Blair! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

wayno7777
03-30-2005, 02:13 AM
It's there when I push the view keys except back to F1. The one behind starts up. The time and pause key still work. The plane works in QMB. I'm gonna try and reinstall the camp.
THx for the reply, ES.

marcocomparato
03-30-2005, 03:53 AM
http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_index.htm

FlatSpinMan
03-30-2005, 04:44 AM
No problems with my campaign except my utter inability to shoot down bi-planes! Has anybody else ever felt they are getting worse at this sim the longer they play??!!! But getting on topic again, no idea what could cause such errors in the campaign. As I said, mine goes great except for those god****ed twisty, turny bi-planes!!!!

FlatSpinMan
03-30-2005, 04:54 AM
Hey marcocomparato,
that is a great link you provided!! I thought I had played all the "Great" campaigns (or at least tried them and given up).

Does anyone know if Battle over Britain still works with FBAEPPF?
Quite looking forward to some of the lesser known(to me) campaigns on that link, like the Italian one in Greece. Plus that 109 one with CanonUk skins!! Worth it just for the skins!

Sorry to be off topic but IT WAS MARCO'S FAULT!!!

Sgt.Raptor2
03-30-2005, 06:17 AM
Is it possable to change any of the missions to coop ?? I have a friend that wants to fly some missions with me. Or are there any Flying Tigers coop missions ?? Great campaign I'm up to mission # 12

han freak solo
03-30-2005, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
No problems with my campaign except my utter inability to shoot down bi-planes! Has anybody else ever felt they are getting worse at this sim the longer they play??!!! But getting on topic again, no idea what could cause such errors in the campaign. As I said, mine goes great except for those god****ed twisty, turny bi-planes!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I think the bi-planes are built completely out of armor plate, offset with all the empty spots filled with helium to stay "light". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Getting worse? 50% percent of the time I'm a noob. 15% of the time I'm an ace. The remaining 35% I'm a veteran. This game takes so much thought and tactical planning, that if I'm really not into it for a given day, I SUCK!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Chewbacca006
03-30-2005, 03:50 PM
Anybody here ever read "Ding Hao"? Good Book

Chuck_Older
03-30-2005, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
No problems with my campaign except my utter inability to shoot down bi-planes! Has anybody else ever felt they are getting worse at this sim the longer they play??!!! But getting on topic again, no idea what could cause such errors in the campaign. As I said, mine goes great except for those god****ed twisty, turny bi-planes!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Then my plan was a success. I used those planes explicitly to give the player fits. Just when you're used to doing one thing, a diffrent enemy makes you learn a new way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If you get a good squirt of lead into them, they explode magnificently

Chuck_Older
03-30-2005, 04:47 PM
Wayno-

any progress? I agree with E_S, that looks to me like the campaign thinks no player aircraft has been selected- nothing you can do in-campaign. If you're handy with the FMB, you could go in an make the right planes the player's aircraft, but on one or two, it isn't obvious, and who knows what else you may be missing? I suggest a re-install of the campaign

can you play any of the single-mission versions?

wayno7777
03-30-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Wayno-

any progress? I agree with E_S, that looks to me like the campaign thinks no player aircraft has been selected- nothing you can do in-campaign. If you're handy with the FMB, you could go in an make the right planes the player's aircraft, but on one or two, it isn't obvious, and who knows what else you may be missing? I suggest a re-install of the campaign

can you play any of the single-mission versions? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just got home from work, it comes up as the player a\c in QMT. Good idea, I'll try the single mission before reinstalling. Then I'm gonna try reinstalling and if that doesn't do it, I'll try installing it manually. We'll get it going one way or another. btw thanks again for the help!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

wayno7777
03-30-2005, 10:35 PM
Still no joy. This is weird.
ed: changed to a P40B with QMT and could fly. My hawk 81A-2 folder must be screwy. Trying to find the posts on the subject, but search is useless. I posted to paint schemes to see if someone knows where it is or how to fix. btw I reinstalled the camp, single miss and even the 3.04m patch to no avail. Gotta go to bed, 5:30 comes quick.

EURO_Snoopy
03-31-2005, 02:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777:
Still no joy. This is weird.
ed: changed to a P40B with QMT and could fly. My hawk 81A-2 folder must be screwy. Trying to find the posts on the subject, but search is useless. I posted to paint schemes to see if someone knows where it is or how to fix. btw I reinstalled the camp, single miss and even the 3.04m patch to no avail. Gotta go to bed, 5:30 comes quick. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the only fix for this is to reinstall FB, I think AEP was missed out or got corrupted when when you installed last time.

Installation and Patching Guide (http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/patching.htm)

fabianfred
03-31-2005, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sgt.Raptor2:
Is it possable to change any of the missions to coop ?? I have a friend that wants to fly some missions with me. Or are there any Flying Tigers coop missions ?? Great campaign I'm up to mission # 12 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

open the single missions in FMB...find player's plane and untick player box....re-save in coop folder...repeat for each mission desired

or use Quick Mission Tuner to do the same without going into FMB

Sgt.Raptor2
03-31-2005, 06:22 AM
Thanks ....

gbollin
03-31-2005, 04:02 PM
This campaign is so good. I put it in its own
country folder. I got to mission 24 then
accidently deleted the campaign. Well
I will enjoy fying the missions again.
Great job Chuck.

wayno7777
04-01-2005, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:

I think the only fix for this is to reinstall FB, I think AEP was missed out or got corrupted when when you installed last time.

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/patching.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll fool around with it a little more and then I quess I'll go and do the shebang ri.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

wayno7777
04-01-2005, 10:42 PM
I tried Serval's Skinman but still no joy. Looks like it's time to start over. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Btw Chris, it looks excellent! I'm using a P-40B to see in single missions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
04-02-2005, 09:43 AM
Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help, Wayno http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

wayno7777
04-03-2005, 08:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help, Wayno http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've uninstalled the whole game (backed-up the important stuff), reinstalled it again and just added the When Tigers Could Fly and the RAF campaigns. No other missions or skins. I fired it up, started the camp and it's the same thing. I don't get it. The Hawk 81A-2 doesn't work even in the QMB. I looked around and tried some things yesterday to no avail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Could it be this cr@p computer? Probably not. Question Chuck, will the the skins work on the P-40B? I think they will.

fabianfred
04-04-2005, 08:01 AM
funny how things change....
3rd to last mission I think.... the attack on our airfield...
first time... I take off and look around for the enemy, but by the time I'm aware where they are coming from they are already over our field and my mates are crying that they are taking hits... I get a couple then a fighter gets me... as I'm going in I look at what the rest are doing but they're all gone...
next try I get up quick as I can and turn towards them.... don't get any on the first pass but my mates all get up.... we end up taking them all out except one for no casualties on our side
finished the campaign now.... great fun.... the attack on their field in vietnam was a bit too easy.... didn't realise they had put containers to be para dropped in the loadouts of C47's before...

Chuck_Older
04-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Hey, by the time you visit Hanoi, you're "winning" for a change. be grateful I wasn't in a nasty mood when I made that mission http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif they can't ALL be hard

Chuck_Older
04-04-2005, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help, Wayno http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've uninstalled the whole game (backed-up the important stuff), reinstalled it again and just added the When Tigers Could Fly and the RAF campaigns. No other missions or skins. I fired it up, started the camp and it's the same thing. I don't get it. The Hawk 81A-2 doesn't work even in the QMB. I looked around and tried some things yesterday to no avail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Could it be this cr@p computer? Probably not. Question Chuck, will the the skins work on the P-40B? I think they will. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

H81A-2 skins will work fine on P-40B and P-40C

Your problem is really really confusing

Wayno, you have FMB skills. Do me a favor. Open up the very first "WTCF" campaign mission in the FMB. You know by now where the player starts.

See if the Hawk 81 numbered "13" has the 'player' box checked


the only other thing I could possibly think of is that somewhere I remember reading that CD ROM players that can both read and write may cause issues with FB. Are you using a R/W CD player? Do you have a DVD ROM that you might try installing the sim on instead of the CD player?

wayno7777
04-04-2005, 09:44 PM
The really weird thing is that only the time and view keys work. The sound works. I hear the controller and the other H81A2 running. And when I hit F2 I see the plane but cannot control it. The same thing happens to it in the QMB.
Here's the drives that I'm using:
Field Value
Optical Drive Properties
Device Description LITE-ON LTR-40125S
Manufacturer Lite-On
Device Type CD-RW
Speed 40x/12x/48x

Device Manufacturer
Company Name LITE-ON IT Corp.
Field Value
Optical Drive Properties
Device Description LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
Manufacturer Lite-On
Device Type DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Speed DVD:16x, CD:52x/32x/52x

Device Manufacturer
Company Name LITE-ON IT Corp.
As you can see, right now I don't have a CD-ROM. I have the game installed on the Combo unit. If I can find the time I'll stick a CD-ROM back in to see if that's it.
And AFAIK the Hawk is the only plane I have this problem with....To answer your question, yes, the player box is checked.

I changed the plane to the P-40B with QMT and flew the mission.

I don't think your campaign has anything to do with this problem. Thanks again for your help!!!

Extreme_One
04-05-2005, 05:42 AM
Have you checked your HD for bad sectors Wayno?

Sounds like one of the sfs files has been corrupted - as it's happened the same since a complete reinstall I wonder if you may have a fault with the harddrive itself....

Chuck_Older
04-05-2005, 08:23 AM
woof, I hope it's an easier fix than that!


Wayno- if you made a quick and dirty H81A-2 single play mission in the FMB, would the same thing happen?

wayno7777
04-05-2005, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Have you checked your HD for bad sectors Wayno?

Sounds like one of the sfs files has been corrupted - as it's happened the same since a complete reinstall I wonder if you may have a fault with the harddrive itself.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've had the HD under a year and all the usual checks show it's fine. (Field Value
ATA Device Properties
Model ID Maxtor 6Y080P0
Serial Number Y2PH7GXE
Revision YAR41BW0
Parameters 158816 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 160086528
Buffer 7936 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 57
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 6 (ATA-133)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 4 (ATA-66)
Unformatted Capacity 78167 MB

ATA Device Features
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Not Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Not Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info
Manufacturer Maxtor
Hard Disk Family DiamondMax Plus 9
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 80 GB
Disks 1
Recording Surfaces 2
Physical Dimensions 146.1 x 101.6 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 630 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Interface Ultra-ATA/133
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 133 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB

ATA Device Manufacturer
Company Name Maxtor Corporation
Product Information http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/)

I'm still trying...
add: couple other things to look at, I just... maybe I should throw in the AEP 2.04 patch and see what happens?

Chris, I'll give that a try. THX
add2: nope, does the same thing. Trying the patch thing next.

Chuck_Older
04-06-2005, 10:17 AM
How will you even play it with v2.04? Doesn't PF update the sim to a later version? Without the merged PF, you won't even be able to fly the Hawk

wayno7777
04-06-2005, 09:53 PM
Yeah, that didn't work. Well, I'm backing things up cause I'm gonna redo the whole comp. Hopefully I'll be done and up and running by the weekend... Can't figure it out. I made a single mission like you said and the same thing happens. The mission loads, but when it comes up all I see is the horizon. When I hit F2 the Hawk is there flying, but with no control. The weirdest thing and it's the only plane that it happens to.

add: just thought of something to try before I wipe the HD, I'll reinstall the game from the CDwriter instead of the DVD-ROM combo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

fabianfred
04-08-2005, 05:43 PM
I've started the campaign again... this time with realistic guns..... why was the Ki 84 used in all the missions, were there no zero's in that theatre? The Ki's are so difficult to down.... even with good hits to the wings where those supposedly vulnerable fuel tanks were...

or I'm still useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

last go I finished the campaign with 82 kills, 7 medals and two ranks up from major which I started at..... using unreal ammo BTW, but limited ammo too...

Chuck_Older
04-08-2005, 05:59 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

They are all k1-43s, no Ki-84s are in WTCF


The reason that some aircraft were used and others were not is simply because it's extremely unlikely that any planes not used by the Imperial Japanese Army were ever used against the AVG. So by necessity, you will never see a flying A6m Zero in my AVG campaign (but there is one, single stationary object A6m in a mission, somewhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) So to that end, it's IJA aircraft, or planes they logically would have access to.

I push the possibility of Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft making an appearance a few times- but never with a fighter, only with dive-bombers.

One interesting thing about the Ki-43 was that it was very often mis-identified as a Zero, even by experienced pilots who knew the difference


In the sim, if you hit them just outboard of a wing root, they should become flying torches http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

fabianfred
04-09-2005, 07:23 AM
so I take it there were no zeros in that theatre?

I was looking at some of the links you gave.... some of the pilots mentioned zeros.... or were they just using the name generically for Japanese fighters...

certainly the super scores the AVG got against the Japanese make our poor efforts in PF seem bad....
even if I use unrealistic ammo myself the rest of our boys (AI) do not and also often go for the six O'clock attack which makes our losses unrealistic

the FMB seems to default speeds of all aircraft to 300kph if you don't alter them ...

I found with my Battle of Britain type missions and campaigns that it was too fast for the bomber formations, so I dropped them to no more than 240kph

this allowed the spitfires to look much better as they darted and swooped about and into the big formations, and allowed one to overtake to get ahead for a twelve O'clock attack on the vulnerable cockpits

before continuing with my second go at your campaign I've been playing in Notepad to alter these and other things.... no parachutes for the Japanese I'm afraid... in a bomber formation with many planes going down at once the chutes could hit the FPS a bit

I'm on NO minimap/map icons/padlock/speedbar/or cockpit off this time, and have the icons edited to almost nothing.... its hard work but fun.... i sweat more and nearly broke another joystick today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chuck_Older
04-09-2005, 07:57 AM
Any single seat, single engine Japanese aircraft with a 'meatball' (hinomaru) on it was typically called a "zero".

The zero was used in that theatre, but not against the AVG. It is almost certain that no Zero was ever flown against the Flying Tigers.

The problem is that the AVG faced Imperial Japanese Army and Thai units, that were equipped with Imperial Japanese Army aircraft. Since the A6M Zero is an Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft, the Japanese and Thai units encountered would not be using them.

In my campaign, I use a few IJN aircraft, but very, very sparingly. I use the B5N to represent a couple of different 'modern' (for the campaign) IJA dive bombers, not to represent IJN aircraft (see the readme for aircraft I used and why). Aircraft such as the Betty, which seem logical, are in the same boat, so to speak, with the Zero- it's a distinctly IJN aircraft that is easily identifiable as a plane the AVG didn't fight.

I think some of the cinfusion lies within the fact that japanese organisational doctrine is alien to a lot of players, and they use more familiar services' doctrine. For example: the betty was a heavy bomber, according to the japanese. For the US, that's a medium bomber. In either case, a heavy or medium bomber is not what the Navy typically uses- that's an Army aircraft- but not for the Japanese.

Some folks don't realise that many IJN aircraft were land-based later in the war. Some models of the A6m didn't have certain naval equipment, because at the time, the Japanese were placing these Naval air units on land bases. There has been some talk about "why doesn't this particular Zero have an arrestor hook??" and so on, and most player's never think to wonder about where that model Zero might have been intended to be stationed- most likely it was never meant for carrier use- it was land based.

Don't let your knowledge of what non-Japanese armed forces influence your understanding of what the Imperial Japanese really did

In the case of China, the Japanese had been in mainland Asia for many years. The Imperial Japanese Army was there. they had occupied Indochina and Thailand, and Burma was, in all honesty, on the fence about whether or not they should resist or welcome the Japanese (I toss a bit of propaganda into my breifings). The Japanese Navy wasn't doing the overland campaign towards Burma, and they weren't pushing up the country towards Yunnan.

It is almost certain that no IJN unit served in Burma or China that fought against the AVG. However, it is clear to my mind that several unique situations may have occurred- such as the IJA testing an IJN divebomber in-the-field in Burma.

But on the whole, I am very confident in saying with 99% certainty that no AVG pilot ever even saw a Zero flown by a Japanese pilot (a captured one was making the rounds as a demonstration aircraft for the allies in the area, however) during the time from Dec. '41 to July '42, which is the service time of the AVG in action. I can say with 99.5% certainty that no Zero was ever shot down by an AVG pilot during that same time period

fabianfred
04-09-2005, 08:30 AM
thanks for your fast and in-depth replies....
don't you ever sleep..... or are you on GMT +7 as I am in Thailand? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chuck_Older
04-09-2005, 08:55 AM
10:56 am here in Boston, MA, USA