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Unknown-Pilot
11-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Why is there an RPM guage in it?

Is it just me, or do a lot of guages not move at all?

Is there a bug that allows it to have brakes? When you hit the B key, you hear the brake noise, which I thought was odd.

Why does the engine overheat when you leave the throttle at max when there's no fuel? (and then go back to normal only have you throttle back - again, long after the fuel has run dry) That makes the entire overheat aspect for all engines rather suspect. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

FritzGryphon
11-19-2005, 09:42 PM
On all skid planes (the B-1, and Gladiator too), you can hear the brake noise. I'm not sure if it actually slows you down more, though.

In other planes, shutting the engine off causes the engine to cool, not overheat. It must be specific to the Komet. And kind of irrelevant, if the engine is out of gas anyway.

Unknown-Pilot
11-19-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
In other planes, shutting the engine off causes the engine to cool, not overheat. It must be specific to the Komet. And kind of irrelevant, if the engine is out of gas anyway.

In this case, throttling it off does cause it to cool, but not shutting it off via fuel starvation.

It worries me because it seems to not be based on engine operation, but rather throttle position (directly) and a timer, and if so, would be something of a kludge, and rather inaccurate.

Dunkelgrun
11-20-2005, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
Why is there an RPM guage in it?

Is it just me, or do a lot of guages not move at all?

Is there a bug that allows it to have brakes? When you hit the B key, you hear the brake noise, which I thought was odd.

Why does the engine overheat when you leave the throttle at max when there's no fuel? (and then go back to normal only have you throttle back - again, long after the fuel has run dry) That makes the entire overheat aspect for all engines rather suspect. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


The 163 engine and instrumentation in-game is not too hot (pun intended).

1. The engine starts without the need for the 'i' key. Open the throttle and it fires up. I asked for this to be corrected but no luck.

2. The engine (pre 4.01) had far too great a burn time; the proposed burn time rather than the actual. In its original configuration it was possible to climb up and past 100,000 feet altitude. It was so far out that I recommended that anyone flying my 'Against Overwhelming Odds' campaign take only 50% fuel for a 'realistic' experience. Someone who did the campaign with 100% scored over a hundred kills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif in the 20 or so missions.
Again, no admission that anything was wrong when I asked the dev team about it.

3. The 'rpm gauge' is actually the turbine tachometer.

From 'Komet' by Jeffrey Ethell:

The throttle had five positions: Off, Idle, 1st Stage, 2nd Stage and 3rd Stage. When the throttle was placed in the idle position, the starter button was exposed and pushed by the pilot. This activated the T-Stoff steam turbine, which pumped T-Stoff to the power plant. After the turbine was started (4 to 5 seconds), the pilot released the button, at which time the turbine tachometer usually read 40 to 50% and the engine was firing.

The starter button isn't visible in-game; there is just a round grey mark on the throttle where the hole should be. The turbine tachometer in-game is set to 6 (should be at 0) when the engine is Off, and never falls below this mark.

4. The temperature gauge to the right of the turbine tachometer jumps from 0 to maximum as soon as the engine fires - whether this is correct or not I don't know but if it is then it was a spectacularly useless gauge as a simple light would have sufficed.

5. With the release of patch 4.01m the FM of the Komet changed drastically, and it now has very poor acceleration and climb rate and all of the aerodynamic qualities of a bar of soap.
If you fly my campaign now you will need to take a full tank simply to get to where the briefing sends you, but when you do the aircraft that you are supposed to intercept will be long gone as the Komet is now so slow.

This too has been mentioned to Oleg who insists that the FM as present in 4.01 and 4.02 is the correct one. He also said this about it pre 4.01; he was more correct the first time.

6. As mentioned above, all aircraft have brakes whether they have wheels or not; yes, they do slow down the Komet. Oleg said that they couldn't remove them for just a few aircraft without a lot of extra work, which is ok as it's no big deal. After all, we don't have to use them.

I was and still am very disappointed with the changes to the Komet, and that the original bugs were never fixed. My campaign needs a thorough rewrite in order to make it play as it should. As if I didn't have enough to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers!

Feathered_IV
11-20-2005, 03:28 AM
I took it for a spin the other night against a mixed bag of B17s and B24s. I got hit by return fire and recieved a fuel leak message.

Gradually, my vision became redder and redder. Thinking I was on fire and didn't know it I flicked to oustide view to have a look.
Nothing.

Things were getting very red and very dark when I realised what was happening. Fuel was leaking into the cockpit and dissolving my little guy alive. Throttle back, pull up to shed speed and try to bail.

Too late - Player killed.

Zeus-cat
11-20-2005, 09:36 AM
Feathered_IV,

What happened to you simulates the effect of one of the components of the two part fuel leaking into the cockpit. The stuff is highly corrosive and will literally eat the skin off of you. A number of Komet pilots died this way, usually after crashing on takeoff. They wore heavy rubber flight suits to help protect them, but...

Zeus-cat

Unknown-Pilot
11-20-2005, 12:02 PM
Dunk,

Thanks for the responses. I had no idea it was so far off, but then, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

I also noticed that the ASI doesn't work right - just like in the 262 and 229, only the TAS needle works above a certain point, and onlt the IAS needle works below a certain point. Even after repeated requests for it to be fixed (in the jets). The 162's ASI works properly. Why the difference? (Also, I've heard somewhere the the 109K had that same ASI, but we don't in game IIRC)

I did notice that it doesn't like to turn for ****, but then, it seemed it never did for some reason. Which always seemed odd because it looks like a lot of wing for a small, light plane.

Why is it that certain planes don't get quality cockpit treatments? The Hellcat's is completely off too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

OOC - Where is the Komet's fuel guage?

hobnail
11-20-2005, 03:35 PM
The FM, climb rates, range and burn-time are pretty much accurate IF you use 50% fuel (even better if mission planner uses .53 fuel to be exact).

Once you forgive Oleg for doubling it's fuel load (and in the process adding another 4,000lb to the gross weight...) the only things that are still off are best angle of climb and acceleration at SL.

Dunkelgrun
11-20-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
Dunk,


OOC - Where is the Komet's fuel guage?


It doesn't have one.
I misled you slightly in my previous reply. The gauge to the right of the turbine tachometer is in fact the T-Stoff consumption gauge; it should be incremental according to the throttle setting but, as noted above, goes straight to max and stays there until the fuel runs out. Just above this is a red warning light, which should come on when you have one minute of fuel remaining (I think). I seem to remember it working properly but it doesn't appear to give you much warning now - if that comes on you're nearly out of luck!
The temperature dial is actually to the right of the consumption gauge.

Cheers!

Unknown-Pilot
11-20-2005, 03:53 PM
All those pit and guage problems really kills immersion capabilities. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Where can I get your Komet campaign? (Komet Kampaign? lol)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hobnail
11-20-2005, 04:04 PM
Against Overwhelming Odds by Dunklegrun

First campaign at the top of this page (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/games_elts/missions.php). Note that the author has stated that this may not work as intended with the current patch but it shouldn't be too mussed up.

nakamura_kenji
11-21-2005, 05:48 AM
why have propellor on nose? J8M Shusui no have

http://www.ijnafpics.com/JB&W2/J8M-11.jpg

airspeed measure?

Dunkelgrun
11-21-2005, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
why have propellor on nose? J8M Shusui no have

airspeed measure?

It drove a generator for the electrics. I don't know why the J8M1 didn't have one; unless it carried batteries.

Cheers!