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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:24 PM
I guess this is OT, but it does involve the Red Army, so please don't lock? >8)

Who caught that T-34 Tank show on Histtory Channel the other night? Very very interesting, IMO. Really showed how those poor guys lived through that period. I don't know much about WWII tanks, but the sheer amount Russia was able to produce was incredible. I think over 60,000?! Wild...

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 03:24 PM
I guess this is OT, but it does involve the Red Army, so please don't lock? >8)

Who caught that T-34 Tank show on Histtory Channel the other night? Very very interesting, IMO. Really showed how those poor guys lived through that period. I don't know much about WWII tanks, but the sheer amount Russia was able to produce was incredible. I think over 60,000?! Wild...

fluke39
07-17-2003, 03:32 PM
If it was the battle stations one - yeah seen it loads - good series that nice mix of wartime and modern footage - also good to have a programme focussing on just one thing in detail - as opposed to mentioning several briefly


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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:32 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- If it was the battle stations one - yeah seen it
- loads

I want to say it was the Modern Marvels show. Not sure... I watch so much damn History Channel it all runs to gether sometimes. And, it seems that HC pretty much puts the Modern Marvels "wrapper" around any footage they come up with and call it a show. Not that I'm complaining... I love it! But what exactly is "modern" about a 60 year old tank? >8)

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 04:56 PM
It was a great show, showing what the working conditions were like for the steel workers at the plant in Siberia, also what it was like for the tank crews of the T-34

An intresting point they made was that the Germans could not reproduce the T-34 because the German steel was inferior to the Russian steel.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 05:15 PM
Ya, I remember the part about German steel being inferior to Russian steel. Was this true? I've always read that German "Krupp" steel was an advance over most of the world.

I was astonished that the Russians produced 60 T-34s per day at that one factory. Considering that the Germans only produced ~2500-3000 Tigers and ~6000 Panthers, that means that the Russians could have matched Germany's entire Pz5 and Pz6 production with 5 months of T34 production. Amazing. The Russians must have had a 20:1 tank advantage, considering that Germany was fighting two fronts.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 07:19 PM
Achilles97 wrote:
- Ya, I remember the part about German steel being
- inferior to Russian steel. Was this true? I've
- always read that German "Krupp" steel was an advance
- over most of the world.

Well, they also mentioned that their methods were given to them by the US and they received help getting set up, I believe. So, they didn't have much trial & error. They were basically handed a working system and they just expanded on it, as the increasing production numbers show. A lot of women in those factories, too! Well done, Ladies!

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 07:25 PM
papaboon wrote:
- An intresting point they made was that the Germans
- could not reproduce the T-34 because the German
- steel was inferior to the Russian steel.


Allegations of German inability to match the quality of Russian steel are utter hogwash. There was great support within the Wehrmacht to duplicate the T34. After the Germans thoroughly examined captured examples of the T34, Henschel and MAN both developed prototypes based more or less upon the basic principles of the T34 design. The Henschel version followed the original T34 design quite closely - forward located turret and sloped hull sides. The MAN version incorporated the basic T34 design principles of sloped armor, good hp/weight ratio, and low ground pressure within a distinctly different design, which was ultimately adopted as the PzKpfw V Panther.

If anything, there is good evidence that the quality of Russian armor plate varied quite widely from factory to factory and year to year. Wartime photos show catastrophic cracking and destruction of T34 hull plating, which indicates excessive brittleness. Certain plants built turrets of thin exterior and interior shells of homogeneous steel, with the intervening space filled by poured cast iron.


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