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del130528032037
04-17-2006, 10:39 AM
It is important that Rainbow Six stays original. There are people who want other game aspects to be in Rainbow aswell. We cannot have that.

I know that I used to say that Vegas should be like old bow, but I have overcome that. Vegas is a different game. I accept that fact. So, if Rainbow six 3 fans want a game like Rainbow

Six 3, then go play Rainbow Six 3. Do not hender the new and broadened Vegas by saying that it should be like Rainbow Six 3, because it shouldn't! It should be better! AMEN?

Now, with that said and done Vegas is going to be not just a hit, a smash hit. Why? Think about it. Ubisoft knows that a lot of people hate Lockdown and Critical hour. That's all people say anymore.

Vegas is a 360 console opener. The 360 is known for it's technology. With the game being on 360 it's safe to say that the graphics are going to be fine.

I also think that it's safe to say that the gameplay is going to be different from all other Rainbow Six games. It wont even be like any game you have ever played.

Why? Take a look at the past. Ubisoft and Redstorm have been trying to come up with something new, but everytime they fail. I expect to see the same thing happen, but with a different outcome.

In the future...just because Vegas is going to be good doesn't mean that we will give up playing Rainbow Six 3. I wouldn't doubt it if I heard that Vegas caused more people to flock to Rainbow Six 3.

Yes! I can't put my finger on it, but I'm certain that this whole thing was a market strategy by Ubisoft's financial experts. It's just to fishy, that's all. You have to admit that things seem a little strange.

Real720
04-17-2006, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by MightyLordRay:
Now, with that said and done Vegas is going to be not just a hit, a smash hit. Why? Think about it. Ubisoft knows that a lot of people hate Lockdown and Critical hour. That's all people say anymore.


That's what I've been saying for the past few months!

KungFu_CIA
04-17-2006, 07:13 PM
It will be a hit... But with more of a crowd who likes a Hollywood-esque version of what "Counter-Terrorism" is all about.

Granted, we have absolutely ZERO in-depth info. about Vegas except for the EGM article...

But if half of those things stay in the final version, I.E. Halo-style health, I gurantee it will NOT do well with gamers who want a more tactical (relative term for console systems) first person shooter experience because this is NOT who it is targeted at to begin with.

There have been a lot of discussions recently -- on this forum in particular -- About game companies walking the thin-line of trying to please its current customers, the so-called "hardcore" veteran gamers and attracting new gamers at th same time.

The problem arises when this is interpreted by game devs and publishers by dumbing-down the gameplay mechanics that made the original games in series (like R6) unique and challenging to make the game itself more appealing to non-gaming types, I.E. casual gamers.

What they should be doing is making the overall gaming experience more simpler and easier, but NOT the gameplay.

The other part of this problem is exactly what appears to be happening with Vegas -- and specifically, Lockdown -- And that is they add in elements from other games that sell (sold) well in a vein and blatant attempt to try and grab players from those games as well.

For example, PEC and adding instant respawns to R6 is a blatant attempt to grab MMORPG and BF2 players more than appeal to gamers who want a more thinking and semi-realistic tactical experience.

So, yes, Vegas WILL be a hit. I have no dout about that... But the real question is WHO will it be a hit with?

Yen Lo
04-17-2006, 07:29 PM
I hate to be a negative Ned I'll betcha a Pepsi or whatever you prefer this ones gonna bomb too? WHY, you ask? Becuase Ubi did a real number on their reputation. Yknow all I want is gg's, truthfully, but I think peep's are gonna be standoffish, then again, I dont mind being wrong.

Choke_A_Smurf
04-17-2006, 09:50 PM
I'm only giving this game a rent at first. Lockdown really messed up my faith in them being able to make a new Rainbow. If it's good, I'll definately buy.

KungFu_CIA
04-17-2006, 11:51 PM
If GRAW (Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter) for PC is a hit... I seriously think R6 should be handed over to GRIN before it is too late.

While GR and R6 are extreme opposites with one game focusing on ranged battles and the other CQB, a lot of the general development choices and design decisions GRAW has promised would actually fit the next version of R6 quite well and they could adjust various aspects to fit the CQB setting in my humble opinion.

del130528032037
04-18-2006, 09:00 AM
I have to dissagree with you kung fu. I'm sorry man, but I gotta do it. LOL.

Rainbow Six Vegas will appeal to most of the R63 fans, because with regular console releases of Rainbow it was hard to shake the fact that lockdown and c hour weren't R63. With the

Vegas release on the 360 gamers will expect something new, and better. It's a scary world out there, but changes are going to happen. with the 360 being in mind, those changes don't

seem that bad. Yeah! You can think about how much you don't want this game to loose it's originallity, but the truth is that it will differ from every other game out there like R63 did.

The reason why I say that is because Ubisoft isn't stupid. R63 was original. It sold! Lockdown and C hour were mutts in the gaming industry. They were thrown together with other pieces of best selling games and it just didn't work.

Popullarity in R63 was the only thing that kept these games selling. Popullarity is running out. With Xbox 360 Rainbow Six takes a huge leap for gamer kind. Popullarity is back, and that game sells extremely well.

See what I'm getting at.

del130528032037
04-18-2006, 09:23 AM
Sorry for double posting, but this will open your minds for sure!

Put 2 and 2 together.

Vegas: So far, one shot one kill.
Health regenerating.
Probably No medics

That means that if you get shot in the head you die, but if you get shot in the torso or the limbs one time then you regenerate your health. No more firefights that you win just to be set up against a four barred opponent

with only one bar. Guess what if you regenerate health, then why do you need a medic? Huh! Very interesting.

It already sounds like a newer and better gaming experience to me. HA HA HA HA

Halo gives you a shield that runs out and any damage after that is death.

I think that the health regeration system will be a different experience than the halo one. The bullets and other damaging products introduced in the game will do more dammage.

probably every hit you take in the center mass will be 25% to 50% damage which means that the fire fights you get in will be like you loose a regular R63 bar, but when your done or if you get out of the fire fight and into cover you

get your health back. THAT to me is something that I can't wait to see. ORIGINALLITY BABY! Told ya!

Spec260
04-18-2006, 02:06 PM
I hope R6 Vegas will please.

I hope it is about skill, with precise aiming and one to three shots your enemy should be dead. Not no lame run around each other for 30 secs shooting each other and wonder whos gonna die.

I dont want this to be quake/unreal or even halo ( even tho I love the game! )

I hope the game makes useing teamwork a major aspect to winning. I dont wanna just see people running around waiting to run into a enemy.

Maybe certain parts of the maps can have names like the bathroom, warhouse,casino level 1,2,3 etc... wrote over the map overlay and when your team mate talks it shows his name on the screen along with his location wrote beneith. He could also mention what location he saw a enemy and you can pop your map up if you dont remember that location and see where it is.

capteenix
04-19-2006, 07:43 AM
OMG Super GRAPHICS, BEST GAME EVER.....yeah, what about Gameplay? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif damn people are dumb. especially 12yrs old ones

del130528032037
04-19-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by capteenix:
OMG Super GRAPHICS, BEST GAME EVER.....yeah, what about Gameplay? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif damn people are dumb. especially 12yrs old ones

Whoa there partner. Easy, I'm not leaving out gameplay. Game play is a big part of what I'm talking about. You know, ONE SHOT ONE KILL. Rainbow 6 style gameplay. I also have a poll set aside for opinions on gameplay.