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hi_stik
01-08-2007, 12:10 PM
Can I get a definitive answer on this from you guys...

I have tested it in the mission builder, using an A-20G, and could not get it to sink...

However, someone w/ whom I place great fidelity in has stated that it CAN be sunk, but the TOP of the boat must be strafed, not the sides...

Is this true?

EDIT: I meant "destroyed by MG's"...

F19_Ob
01-08-2007, 02:21 PM
I have not been able to do that either.
I have cheated though, while testing and tripled the firepower in difficulty settings and that way been able to sink one.

I think only the landing crafts and some more small boat is sinkable with mg's.

The il-2 with heavy cannons can sink a cargoship though but it'll take most of the ammo.

If I remember correctly this problem is due to that most boats have very simplified damage model.
It has been this way a long time and they perhaps can't mantain the balance between bombs, weapons and destruction if they make ammo stronger, or ships weaker.

I would very much prefer ships getting destroyed a little easier if I could choose.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lewicide
01-08-2007, 02:46 PM
As an expert in the sinking of the evil pinja infested fishing boats, I can tell you, no that can't be sunk by mg fire.

I recommend for fishing boat destruction satisfaction, and if gunfire is your chosen method;

The beaufighter, very nice and historical too.

IL2's of the 37mm variety or Bf 110's again 37mm

The 50mm Me 262, for a "quickie".

In all cases of destruction by gunfire of the hated fishing boats remember;

"aim for the fish"

death to fishing boats http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

anarchy52
01-08-2007, 03:35 PM
For even more fun, I recommend X-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DKoor
01-08-2007, 03:53 PM
Put fishing ship (static) in front of your A-20 on runway (using FMB) and fire away on infinite ammo. You'll have the answer you want sooner or later.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lewicide
01-08-2007, 08:08 PM
You have to belly-in the A-20 because if the gear is down it shoots over the deck of the fishing boat.

But the result is the same, .50 cals do not sink the fishing boat

proof that the evil fishing boat is mightier than a tiger tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the spit Vc 4 cannon works well on these ocean-going pests.

Tater-SW-
01-09-2007, 08:31 AM
Saqson (I think) claims they can be sunk, but I think attacked from above. They'd have been attacked from mast height in RL. Also, they should not be fishing boats, they are "sea trucks" used by the japanese as small transports. Made of wood (there were also steel versions), they should be extremely vulnerable to MG fire.

Also, the sails are just silly on them, they look totally wrong. One, they steamed under diesel power most of the time, two, the sails if rigged were gaff rigged or lug rigged. The triangular fore and aft sails are rediculously small, and make them look pretty bad. The statics should have the sails furled anyway (if the sails were up, they would not be "static," would they?).

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/SD1.jpg
No sails are shown in the line drawing, that is masts and rigging. The drawn picture shows the gaff rig (the top yard on the mas shows the trapazoidal sail shape between the 2).

This is what happens when a sea truck is attack with .50 caliber fire in RL:
http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/burning_sea_truck.jpg

tater

DustyBarrels77
01-09-2007, 12:34 PM
they can be sunk it just takes 2 or more planes to expend mg fire on them, when the first plane runs out of .50s the sail will have damage textures.

I must say that cannon and mgs not working on shipping takes so much out of the game, same for bombing where even 2 1000lbers hit like a 100-250lb bomb in real life.

This kind of makes using bombs pointless online and they need to be much more powerful.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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hi_stik
01-09-2007, 01:15 PM
please stay on topic. Have you seen/done a sinking of a tuna boat using machine guns only?

if so, state the aircraft used, and a guesstimate as to how much ammo expended.

Tater-SW-
01-09-2007, 01:58 PM
One, it has been posted that an attack from above can sink them, I think he mentioned an A-20G.

Two, dusty, if you think bombing ships is undermodelled, I'd say you are 180 degrees from reality. IMO it's way too easy to sink things in Il-2 right now. I'd love to see the smoking ship happen at a far lower threshhold, at the very least (I care far less about actually sinking a ship than I do about it looking right from the cockpit. Planes usually left ships burning, presumed sunk, it was far less likely to the target sink while spent cartridges were still warm like we see now with the 2 minute sinking time.

Wolkenbeisser
01-10-2007, 06:46 AM
F-4U-1C with its 4 20mm canons (but you need almost the whole ammo for one bark). But I guess this is not MG...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Fliegergrüsse

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Tater-SW-
01-10-2007, 07:47 AM
Just guns, one pass:

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/dead_dog_sm.JPG

tater

SeaFireLIV
01-10-2007, 08:20 AM
Obviously this can`t be right. Surely a fishing boat should be destructable easily or rendered useless whether attacked from the sides or above as long as you`re accurate... with ANY calibre aircraft weapon?

Something wrong there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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DKoor
01-10-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by hi_stik:
please stay on topic. Have you seen/done a sinking of a tuna boat using machine guns only?

if so, state the aircraft used, and a guesstimate as to how much ammo expended. I don't think it's possible in v4.071.
Expanded t0n of 7,62 ammo on boat other than sails nothing else was damaged. I even switch "realistic gunnery" off BTW.
With 12,7 I sinked it in the first pass with non realistic gunnery. With realistic gunnery I get zero results in regards of sinking vessel.
Conclusion: even if it is sinkable don't go for it with 12,7 guns only. Waste your ammo on something that you're sure you can destroy. Like trucks.
And it's likely wrong since 12,7 should tear apart stricken wooden boat structure with one good accurate long burst.

Perhaps the global DM is tougher now...?


Originally posted by Lewicide:
You have to belly-in the A-20 because if the gear is down it shoots over the deck of the fishing boat.

But the result is the same, .50 cals do not sink the fishing boat

proof that the evil fishing boat is mightier than a tiger tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the spit Vc 4 cannon works well on these ocean-going pests. Shoot with turret if you cannot get it with main guns... but you should get at least few parts with main gun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by Antoninus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
Perhaps the global DM is tougher now...?

This is nothing new, I tried it in previous versions with the same results. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes you're probably right... but still this new DM likely has some issues.

Antoninus
01-10-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Perhaps the global DM is tougher now...?

This is nothing new, I tried it in previous versions with the same results.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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bchivers3377
01-14-2007, 07:39 PM
Not a tuna boat but it is a ship.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/bchivers/ScreenShot003-1.jpg

StellarRat
01-14-2007, 11:24 PM
Well, if this was real life anything from a destroyer on down to a landing craft should be sinkable by .50s or larger aircraft cannons. Destroyers and anything smaller are all non-armored targets and can be pierced and set on fire or sunk by .50s in RL.

I think Oleg tries to model damage to ships in such a way that unless it's actually going to sink fairly quickly you can't see any damage. Being sunk by .50s or 20mm, etc...would take a long time even if the ship caught fire. Only a magazine or other explosive being detonated by the guns would be immediate.

Tater-SW-
01-14-2007, 11:47 PM
I don't have a problem with that, actually. All I'd like to see is the smoke happen sooner. More often than not the only time you see a smaller ship smoke in il-2 is when it's sinking.

In RL you'd fly away leaving smoking ships and claim them as probably sunk.