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Kaleun1961
09-28-2005, 06:45 PM
I just finished watching another episode of "Over There," a show about Americans serving in Iraq. I'm wondering what others think about this new series.

I think it's a well done show, reflecting the moral dilemma of young soldiers serving in a controversial war. It shows the racial tensions, moral and morale, male and female soldiers under fire, and the often unsaluted folks, the family left home while their loved ones are "over there."

WilhelmSchulz.-
09-28-2005, 06:55 PM
I think its a good show. Like you said It shows men and women fighting in a unpopular war.

Kaiser_W
09-28-2005, 08:20 PM
Yes, it's a very good show. Not unlike Tour of Duty.

Gunnersman
09-28-2005, 08:42 PM
I would love to watch it. But I really dont watch too much tv anymore. At least not scheduled programing. I catch shows as they come on. Although, when it comes out on DVD I would really like to watch it. It looks good.

If I had TiVo Id watch it regularly. Same with 24. I wait til the DVD comes out before I watch 24.

At any rate, I'd love to hear the reviews.

Kaleun1961
09-28-2005, 08:49 PM
Tonight's episode was pretty good. The squad has to watch a village where they suspect somebody is spotting for mortars that bombard a bridge. The main suspect is a family man, with a wife and little kid. they then have the moral dilemma as to whether to kill him, while not being sure if he is guilty.

The squad includes two Black guys, a White college kid, an Arabic American and a White sargeant, who has to hold together this diverse bunch. I won't tell you how it ended, but it was well done who they show the squad coming out from cover, as a convoy goes by in slow motion. You are left to wonder how they deal with their emotions afterward.

Better than Tour of Duty, in my opinion. The dialogue is more realistic, the scenery gritty and the human drama more "in your face." This one is definitely going into my DVD collection when it is released.

paulhager
09-30-2005, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
I just finished watching another episode of "Over There," a show about Americans serving in Iraq. I'm wondering what others think about this new series.

I think it's a well done show, reflecting the moral dilemma of young soldiers serving in a controversial war. It shows the racial tensions, moral and morale, male and female soldiers under fire, and the often unsaluted folks, the family left home while their loved ones are "over there."

I don't watch it, however, there are plenty of reviews from people who have:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>TV Reviews From Those Who Have Been "Over There" (http://www.dartblog.com/data/003310.html)
<LI>"Over There" (http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/2005/07/over_there.html#)
<LI>Over There report (http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/004376.html)
<LI>Not really "Over There" (http://www.facesfromthefront.com/content/view/104/3/)
[/list]

The last link is a fisking of the show.

Wars are never ultimately "popular" in a democratic system. They are unfortunately a sad necessity on occasion. There some some arguments against going into Iraq that are legitimate though I find them unpursuasive. I've laid out my views in several pieces starting with A walk down memory lane (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=7) and Preemptive war against Iran (http://paulhager.org/wordpress/index.php?p=8). For other pieces dealing with Iraq and Iran, you can do a search of the site.

Aside from all of the ethical considerations, war is bad for business. Capitalist democracies can support necessary, short wars but anything protracted is going to see an erosion of support. This is a good thing in general. But if it is necessary to see a war through to the end it can be a problem.

There was a recent History Channel program on the decision to drop the A-bomb that pointed to the increasing serious problems being encountered by the planners for the invasion of Japan. There was an item mentioned in the program that was new to me: scientific opinion research (still relatively new at the time) revealed that around 3/4 of people, though supporting "staying the course" in the war against Japan, preferred to defer an invasion if at all possible since everyone knew it would be a bloody affair. The militarists running Japan were calculating that they could obtain a favorable negotiated settlement if they made an invasion costly and were prepared to do just that. The dropping of two A-bombs caused them to reevaluate.

Kaleun1961
09-30-2005, 01:31 PM
Thanks for the links, Paul. It's good to hear from the people who have really been "over there." Although I think it is a good show, based on its own merits as a "show," anybody who has served in the military or police would of course take exception with the depiction of tactics.

I view this show purely as entertainment, not even as semi-documentary. Being Hollywood scripted, it typically pushes the politically correct, multicultural loving, feminist perspective. They certainly do seem to keep pushing those females into those heroic combat situations, don't they? Then this is counter-balanced by showing "Sergio," a Hispanic pathetic excuse of a man, crying at the "wives" support group, sensitive modern "wuss" man.

As long as I am prepared to overlook these things when I watch the show, I enjoy it nonetheless. The one thing that seems to be missing is the depiction of the average Iraqi. I really don't know what Mr. Every Day ordinary Iraqi citizen is like. Is he a raving fundamentalist, an ordinary Joe just trying to survive, or somewhere in the middle?

pmatthews83
09-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Having been a soldier (although not sent over there, we intel guys didn't go very often), I find the series very accurate and exciting. What you see in the show is very much what it is like over there. I have several buddies who went and came back, and that show depicts the war well.