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TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:28 PM
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofright.jpg
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofrear.jpg

Check out the new demo..
http://media.naturalpoint.com/video/6dof/vector-commercial-640x480-1mbBitRate.wmv

Can you see what I mean? pun intended.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:28 PM
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofright.jpg
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofrear.jpg

Check out the new demo..
http://media.naturalpoint.com/video/6dof/vector-commercial-640x480-1mbBitRate.wmv

Can you see what I mean? pun intended.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-09-2004, 06:36 PM
Will this ever die.

harryklein66
12-09-2004, 06:39 PM
as u said the ONE thing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
Will this ever die. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by harryklein66:
as u said the ONE thing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactally.. But that one thing makes up for alot of the other things.. This is the best thing to happen to flight sims sense the introduction of the PC joystick!

SkyChimp
12-09-2004, 06:43 PM
Listen, if you keep saying nice things about CFS3, MS may get the gumption to make a CFS4. Now how would you like that? It would be like a grandmother that doesn't know here fruitcake sucks and keeps making it worse and worse every year.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-09-2004, 06:44 PM
I don't know why. It can't be done. I could see this in BOB but right now its just impossible for Il2 to support this and keep up any sort of quality standard as far as cockpits go. This is really cool but it can't happen here. It is unfortunate but its the truth and I doubt Oleg and his crew really appreciate all the advertising CFS3 is getting on his boards right now.

StG77_Stuka
12-09-2004, 06:47 PM
When does your vaction start? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charlie901
12-09-2004, 06:49 PM
I didn't know that the WWII pilots had a 360` HELMUT PROJECTED HEADS UP RADAR DISPLAY

Wow!
I guess MSFS does this much better after all.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Listen, if you keep saying nice things about CFS3, MS may get the gumption to make a CFS4. Now how would you like that? It would be like a grandmother that doesn't know here fruitcake sucks and keeps making it worse and worse every year. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually.. CFS2 was not all that bad.. The only thing that really sucked about CFS3 was it wasnt that much better than CFS2. That and IL2 was so much better.. Im willing to look past alot of bad things when one thing is done well.. For example, I wouldnt play a flight sim that came out today that didnt support TrackIR.. And.. it wont be long that I will be saying that about TrackIR Vector/6DOF. This is the best thing to happen to flight sims sense the intorduction of the joystick! The imersion factor is high on my list of important things! In that I will notice a badly dont imersion factor over an FM that is off by 5mph.

SkyChimp
12-09-2004, 06:52 PM
CFS2 was excellent for its time. CFS3 was an an unfinished pile of poop perpetrated on the flight sim community.

Korolov
12-09-2004, 06:53 PM
Wow! Butt-O-Vision!

I wondered when we'd catch up with the AI's view system.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I don't know why. It can't be done. I could see this in BOB but right now its just impossible for Il2 to support this <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>First you said you dont know why.. Then you said it is impossible for IL2 to support this? Which is it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
and keep up any sort of quality standard as far as cockpits go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont buy the cockpit quality thing, in that we have clipping issues now.. Without 6DOF.. And no body from the 1C qualty control dept is rushing to fix those! That and it could allways be an undocumented feature.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
This is really cool but it can't happen here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agree on cool.. But dont buy the cant happen part.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
It is unfortunate but its the truth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You really should stick with the first thing you said.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
and I doubt Oleg and his crew really appreciate all the advertising CFS3 is getting on his boards right now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah! They dont mind at all.. Not one bit! Because if they did they would be all over Stig's A about the Targetware adds he posts 24:7

VBF-83_Hawk
12-09-2004, 06:57 PM
EVeryone wants some sort of cheat device.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-09-2004, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
I don't know why. It can't be done. I could see this in BOB but right now its just impossible for Il2 to support this <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>First you said you dont know why.. Then you said it is impossible for IL2 to support this? Which is it?[QUOTE]

My sentence "I don't know why." Was in response to your answer to my initial question: "Will this ever die." There have already been multiple posts on the issue and Oleg has already said this is a no go.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VBF-83_Hawk:
EVeryone wants some sort of cheat device. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! You wouldnt know a cheat if it grew legs jumped up and kicked you in the face!

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
My sentence "I don't know why." Was in response to your answer to my initial question: "Will this ever die." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, ok, my bad! But just know your wrong.. It could be done.. And using cockpit art quality for not doing it is a a lame excuse imho.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
There have already been multiple posts on the issue <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! A first than! I didnt realise that nothing ever gets multi posted around here.. My bad again.. Do I get a prize or something for having the first multi topic post?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
and Oleg has already said this is a no go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I reall him saying something like that about the .50 cals too.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-09-2004, 07:03 PM
.50 cals were different. He never said they couldn't be changed, he said it would be incorrect to change them.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 07:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
.50 cals were different. He never said they couldn't be changed, he said it would be incorrect to change them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%

3.JG51_BigBear
12-09-2004, 07:04 PM
Okay

Fritzofn
12-09-2004, 07:27 PM
CFS3 is prob. THE worst flightsim out there....oh..."Chuck Yeagers air combat" is a tad worse....not much, only a tad.....but anyways, CFS3 is ON THE BOTTOM, and will ALLWAYS be there !

there, nuff' said

Tocca4
12-09-2004, 07:27 PM
I wonder how long it will take before someone, third party that is,releases support for 6DOF for IL2?
It was said to be impossible to get enhanced Track-IR support for CFS3 without rewriting the code. Then suddenly a small utility was released by a private person that made it work.
The same goes for a number of other games!

I'm just wondering WHEN it will be finished, not IF.

I haven't tested 6DOF, i have a Track-IR2, but the idea of being able to lean/zoom and so on isn't a new one and if it works like intended it will be very dull to fly a sim without it once you've tried i'm sure.
Just like it was after i got used to Track-IR, all flightsim without support for it very soon where uninstalled from my PC!

The IL2 series is so special that i find it hard to believe i would uninstall because of this, but i would surely miss it.

I don't think it matters whether Oleg does this or not, as i said i'm positive it won't be long before a third party solution is made.
When that day comes, i'll order a Track-IR3Pro.

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fritzofn:
CFS3 is prob. THE worst flightsim out there....oh..."Chuck Yeagers air combat" is a tad worse....not much, only a tad.....but anyways, CFS3 is ON THE BOTTOM, and will ALLWAYS be there !

there, nuff' said <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nice try.. but no sale.. If IL2-Pf was not on the market CFS3 would be the best WWII flight sim on the market.. As for CYAC.. CFS1 was better than that.. But nice try, big gold star for effort!

TAGERT.
12-09-2004, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tocca4:
I wonder how long it will take before someone, third party that is,releases support for 6DOF for IL2?
It was said to be impossible to get enhanced Track-IR support for CFS3 without rewriting the code. Then suddenly a small utility was released by a private person that made it work.
The same goes for a number of other games!

I'm just wondering WHEN it will be finished, not IF.

I haven't tested 6DOF, i have a Track-IR2, but the idea of being able to lean/zoom and so on isn't a new one and if it works like intended it will be very dull to fly a sim without it once you've tried i'm sure.
Just like it was after i got used to Track-IR, all flightsim without support for it very soon where uninstalled from my PC!

The IL2 series is so special that i find it hard to believe i would uninstall because of this, but i would surely miss it.

I don't think it matters whether Oleg does this or not, as i said i'm positive it won't be long before a third party solution is made.
When that day comes, i'll order a Track-IR3Pro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! That is good news! I didnt realise a 3rd party made a util that enabled 6DOF in CFS3! I should have know it didnt come from MicroSoft! Thier support ends the day the game ships! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well.. thanks for the info, Im sure we will see some 3rd party suport than.. Maybe that is why Oleg isnt doing it.. He can dodge all the cluless F's claming it is a cheat and avoid all the whine about clipping because it didnt come from him! If so.. SMART MOVE OLEG! Cuz nutting worse then the clueless crowd that allready thinks TIR is a cheat.. Imageing their whines once this util comes out enableing it for PF! LOL!

TheGozr
12-10-2004, 12:33 AM
Waaoooooo cool incredible, extraordinaire, fantastik, dream, the best waoooooooaoaooaoaoaoa! KIlllleerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i have to get the Track ir 3 pro ( i have the #2 )+ software + mu own tree big balls on my hat and i'm set..

The_Ant
12-10-2004, 12:47 AM
Stop promoting that sh1t BIASED game at this forum,if you people like too talk about Cr4p Flying Simulator 3,go to Simhq or anyplace else!

Barracus0411
12-10-2004, 01:08 AM
Why 'biased' Ant, I didn't play mine long enough to form an opinion before I binned it.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-10-2004, 01:18 AM
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The_Ant
12-10-2004, 01:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barracus0411:
Why 'biased' Ant, I didn't play mine long enough to form an opinion before I binned it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I shelved that game too after 1 hour off play.
What i mean biased is,the game is made by microsoft america,so go check the plane stats inside the game compare Us planes to british or German planes,some stats are plain stoopid.Against the luftwaffe the american planes should be good in almost every aspect.But check the plane stats about the mustang Vs the spitfire mk9 for instance,the mustang has a turnratio that outclasses the spitfire in lightyears,well i can agreed too it at highspeed in 700 km/h but at lowspeed phhhht.
I think the stats were something like spit turnratio off 13 vs mustangs 17 or 19 hahaha.

Barracus0411
12-10-2004, 01:26 AM
I see, bad research or deliberate favouritism?

Barracus0411
12-10-2004, 01:52 AM
Horses for courses, I just didn't like it.

actionhank1786
12-10-2004, 02:00 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/Halfwayhank/horse.jpg
I'm glad i uploaded this, it's really coming in handy.
C'mon Tagert stop with this.
Oleg said no, there's no need to drag this on for the next few months.
The Cockpits weren't designed for a view that deviated past the point the Camera is set in as the default position. Moving past that would show blank panels, and places where parts should be but arent. You may be able to look past that, and a few others might, but it would only be a few minutes before thousands of whiners flooded the boards whining and complaining about the Cockpits not looking right.
It'll be in BOB and there's no sense in everyone flooding the boards here with CFS3 Is so awesome, it's got 6DOF, why doesnt Il-2 and PF!?
It doesnt because Oleg said so.
his game, his call.

joeap
12-10-2004, 03:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofright.jpg
http://777avg.com/screens/6dofrear.jpg

Check out the new demo..
http://media.naturalpoint.com/video/6dof/vector-commercial-640x480-1mbBitRate.wmv

Can you see what I mean? pun intended. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tagert read this thread:
Why you is wrong (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=1771098052)

JG54_Arnie
12-10-2004, 03:24 AM
Me thinks some people are letting their emotions rule a little bit too much...

Fehler
12-10-2004, 03:25 AM
Hey Tagert, instead of typing replies here, why dont you start working on the 3D model fixes for all the planes, then submit them to Oleg so we can get this feature implimented in the game?

You wont get paid, of course, but neither would Oleg since this would all be a free add-on to the game. After all... it never said on the box that it supported this feature. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aaron_GT
12-10-2004, 03:27 AM
"CFS2 was not all that bad.. "

The flight dynamics are a bit suspect in the whole MS series according to a friend of mine who actually flies aircraft (light aircraft). He rates Xplane more highly in this regard.

CFS3 seems to have better flight dynamics then CFS2, and better scenery as well (but still nowhere near the level of IL2, not even as good as SDOE). It's not the worst flight sim, though. Jane's WW2 Fighters was excellent, Jane's Attack Squadron... now there is a terrible sim.

CFS3 has terrible AI (EAW is much better in this regard) and cartoonish explosions.

EAW beats CFS3 on most things apart from the 3D models, clouds, and dynamic lighting and can cope with lots of plane in the air.

SDOE gets closer on the 3D models and clouds, but also lacks the 3D lighting and can't cope with as many planes in the air.

If I had the disk space I'd keep SDOE and EAW on my hard drive but with all the add ons SDOE weights in at 3.5GB and I ran out of space (new harddrive required, perhaps).

Barracus0411
12-10-2004, 03:44 AM
I loved European Air War, it was my first WWII sim as I was more of a Flying Corps and Red Baron man. (I liked the way the wings ripped clean off the FE2b if the turning circle was too tight)

By far the best part of EAW was in the briefing room in the RAF campaign when the CO came out with the immortal line

"The Jerry flak's so thick you could call it a hedge".

Spoken in his best Eton English accent. Priceless

AFSG_Mshine
12-10-2004, 07:20 AM
Wow... people are touchy here! LOL

Dedicated group for sure. BUT, if you took out all of the flames, and repeated quotes, there is probibly 1 post worth of Pro, and 1 post worth of Con, and 1 post worth of usefull information.

The rest is flame flame flame, ***** and moan. I think some people spend more time on these boards complaining, and flaming people, than they do in the game.

Go spend more time in the game Target, and maybe you will see more of why TrackIR can be overlooked for the time being.

The CFS3 cracks are way to generalized guys, anyone can through out a 'that game 5ucks', and we all know why it is not good.

1. Cartoonish Graphics
2. Unrealistic Expectations by MS for users to tweak the **** out of their systems or game to get the thing to run right.
3. While the clouds ARE Dynmamic (awesome feature), they look more like they belong in a painting on a canvas, not a reproduction of realism.
4. Screwy mission goal behaviours. It has been a while since I flew it, but I remember dealing with games ending abruptly, once a target was destroyed? This is a sign of the market MS is targeting.. Get into the fight quick, kill, and then why bother finishing, just cycle the next mission. Nevermind that 4 other people in the game were right in the middle of a heated dogfight. Yes, I know someone has probibly figured out a way around this, BUT why must we always have to figure out a way around MS's mistakes or poor design?

I wish I could have TrackIR, because using the hat switch sucks, and in the heat of battle, trying to use your thumb to track a target going 450km past you, is next to impossible without losing your target. I know I would be more willing to fly no label games if I had track IR because it would not be as easy to lose a target. I do not think TIR is a cheat, but it is an advantage.

In today's society with all of the Political Correct speak, people always cry fowl when someone else has an advantage.

That's life get over it!

Now, how 'bout them RED SOX!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Tiger27
12-10-2004, 07:56 AM
Tagert, nice try, if Il2 had never appeared CFS3 would still not be the best FS, EAW and Rowans BoB are both better sims than CFS3, it was just an MS money spinner, had lots of promise if they had the love of the genre that Oleg has.

actionhank1786
12-10-2004, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vroelofs:
This..
http://www.cfcforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17620
And this..
http://www.cfcforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17720
..a new dawn for CFS3. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i cant see anything... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

vroelofs
12-10-2004, 09:52 AM
What do you mean,can't you see the images?

M_S_W
12-10-2004, 10:19 AM
I am a il2fb + PF fan first and foremost. I believe it to be superior to cfs3 and so I play it the most by far. When I got CFS3 (thankfully for only $20) I thought that it was a piece of ****, mainly because my system could not handle it at the higher settings in conjunction with some really good addons by third parties and because it was grossly unfinished. So I uninstalled it and shelved it. Now that I have a much more powerful rig I have reinstalled it again for another try (never could bring myself to use it to set a drink on....lol). With Foxes effects and Winding Mans outstanding scenery manager along with some other addons the game looks good at high level settings. I've always felt that high altitude graphics of scenery, clouds and horison is better than Sturmovik. 1% planes have taken care of the crappy stock flight models. However, there are other problems still there; multiplayer is the pits, AI behavior is the pits, down low scenery graphics are the pits (but getting better) and most important to me the cockpits are the pits. Apparently third parties have not been able to create two many good cockpits, although I believe the coding is there to do it. Coming soon is a WWI addon which promises to be good, apparently including some good cockpits and so far it will be a free addon.

So I play it every once in a while for variety. CFS3 can be OK but it takes a lot of downloading effort and some manual modifications to files. I think that over time the third parties will make it a decent flight sim/game.

actionhank1786
12-10-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vroelofs:
What do you mean,can't you see the images? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They didnt show up.
I just got red x's of doom

Cess_Wizard
12-10-2004, 02:51 PM
The reason why you cannot see the pictures is simple. You have to registered and logged in at the Outhouse to view attachments. Helps cut down on bandwidth leaching

VMF-214_Pappy
12-10-2004, 04:04 PM
Well I see it still has the yellow freesbie tracers and the ground that looks like poop. Not to meantion the icons that look like they came off a alarm clock.

I see your point though tagert that looks sweet, only if it was in fb

actionhank1786
12-10-2004, 04:12 PM
I agree with tager in the respect that yes 6DOF is a great looking feature!
But Oleg's said no, and there need not be 60 threads discussing it. Atleast keep all the whining in one thread.

USAflyer
12-10-2004, 05:17 PM
HEY TARGET GUESS WHAT:
I DISAGREE 100%
GET A LIFE

SeaFireLIV
12-10-2004, 05:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Nice try.. but no sale.. If IL2-Pf was not on the market CFS3 would be the best WWII flight sim on the market.. As for CYAC.. CFS1 was better than that.. But nice try, big gold star for effort! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! After my 2 month try on CFS3 I`d even go to LOMAC and fly something modern or even EAW! Don`t even try fightng this one TAGERT, you`re on a loser here!

heywooood
12-10-2004, 05:45 PM
if the feature could be 'moderated' to reduce the headvector enough to make it unnecessary to remodel the 'pits -it should be done. period.
Now - given that 1c has alot on their plate at the moment...it might take awhile to get to it...but that would still be ok ...just from my POV I dont want to speak for others.

Atomic_Marten
12-10-2004, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Listen, if you keep saying nice things about CFS3, MS may get the gumption to make a CFS4. Now how would you like that? It would be like a grandmother that doesn't know here fruitcake sucks and keeps making it worse and worse every year. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Argh. This is so true.

PriK
12-10-2004, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
if the feature could be 'moderated' to reduce the headvector enough to make it unnecessary to remodel the 'pits -it should be done. period.
Now - given that 1c has alot on their plate at the moment...it might take awhile to get to it...but that would still be ok ...just from my POV I dont want to speak for others. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed 100%

XyZspineZyX
12-10-2004, 06:04 PM
Regarding leaning around cockpit spars and headrests... When Oleg implements support for TrackIR's 6DOF, this problem will vanish!

I'm sure it's coming.

Sweetness!

And then IL2 will FINALLY be back to being better than CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Jester_159th
12-10-2004, 06:30 PM
Go read Gibbage's post on this subject. Once you see the screenshots he posted you'll see clearly that there is no PRACTICAL way Oleg could implement this feature even if he wanted to.

And with a totally new product in development as we speak why on earth would Oleg (or any right minded business man) divert resources into implementing this new feature into what is a reletively old game engine? Especially when all that time will be for no profit (in fact a huge loss when you consider the programmer's wages etc)

If it were practiacal it would be great. Unfortunately it's not practical. That's life.

You need to remember: This may be our passion, but it's 1C's living. Often the two won't meet. I'm sorry, but that's simple business sense.

...Oh and as far as CFS3 being better than FB/AEP/PF....Well it makes a better coaster for my cup while flying. Nothing more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

HW3
12-10-2004, 06:54 PM
Well said Jester! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Skycat_2
12-10-2004, 09:54 PM
Funny how this went from being a thread that merely uses "CFS-3" as an example for a viewing feature Tagert would like to see implemented into the IL-2 series or BOB, to becoming a thread about bashing (or defending) CFS-3.

I didn't interpret the thread title to be a promotion of CFS-3. I think the words "the one thing" in the title pretty much clued me in that he wasn't saying CFS-3 is holistically better.

Ahhhh, but let the bashing smashing crashing commence ...

I think Tagert was correct in saying that if there was no IL-2 series, CFS-3 would be the top-selling air combat sim. Well, maybe the top selling WWII air sim of 2003. Then again, IL-2's success probably drove the Microsoft team to take a risk on changing a tried-and-true formula in order to pump some life into their old engine ... without IL-2, CFS-3 probably would have been more like CFS-2. (That's just my opinion however).

You can find 8 million things to find fault with about CFS-3, but most criticisms come from one (or both) of two perspectives: 1) CFS-3 isn't as 'realistic' as IL-2; and 2) CFS-3 isn't IL-2, end of story. I also was disappointed by CFS-3 when it came out, but I enjoy it as an alternative to FB/AEP ... some things about it I like much more than FB/AEP. Yeah, I said it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If CFS-3 had been released in 2000 or 2001, it would have been the #1 WWII air sim sim to chase: in one package you've got "European Air War"'s air fleets and continental map: "Jane's WWII Fighter"'s 3-D cockpits and detailed ground vehicles, "B-17: The Mighty Eighth"'s flyable bombers (kind of); "Fighter Squadron"'s 3-D aircraft models and game interface (kind of); "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe"'s futuristic stuff; and the CFS series's modder expandibility and CEM. In theory, it could have been a brilliant combination of classic sims.

Now if you take CFS-3 lightly and with a grain of humor, it is fun to play with. I had a really great 'waitaminit' moment earlier this week with CFS-3 while playing the Typhoon campaign: My squadron had just changed bases, and as I took off from the airbase I noticed an odd structrue on the horizon ... I soon realized I was looking at the Eiffel Tower. CFS-3 isn't perfect, but it has some good features and it is fun to play ... especially if you enjoy seeing vehicles blow up in giant fireballs. In the end, CFS-3 and IL-2 are both simply toys for your entertainment, right?

I'm going to stop here because I don't want to look like I'm promoting CFS-3, especially on UbiSoft's dime and in a room full of IL-2 zealots. I just thought I'd chime in and add my thoughts -- just like everybody else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Tocca4
12-10-2004, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tocca4:
I wonder how long it will take before someone, third party that is,releases support for 6DOF for IL2?
It was said to be impossible to get enhanced Track-IR support for CFS3 without rewriting the code. Then suddenly a small utility was released by a private person that made it work.
The same goes for a number of other games!

I'm just wondering WHEN it will be finished, not IF.

I haven't tested 6DOF, i have a Track-IR2, but the idea of being able to lean/zoom and so on isn't a new one and if it works like intended it will be very dull to fly a sim without it once you've tried i'm sure.
Just like it was after i got used to Track-IR, all flightsim without support for it very soon where uninstalled from my PC!

The IL2 series is so special that i find it hard to believe i would uninstall because of this, but i would surely miss it.

I don't think it matters whether Oleg does this or not, as i said i'm positive it won't be long before a third party solution is made.
When that day comes, i'll order a Track-IR3Pro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! That is good news! I didnt realise a 3rd party made a util that enabled 6DOF in CFS3! I should have know it didnt come from MicroSoft! Thier support ends the day the game ships! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well.. thanks for the info, Im sure we will see some 3rd party suport than.. Maybe that is why Oleg isnt doing it.. He can dodge all the cluless F's claming it is a cheat and avoid all the whine about clipping because it didnt come from him! If so.. SMART MOVE OLEG! Cuz nutting worse then the clueless crowd that allready thinks TIR is a cheat.. Imageing their whines once this util comes out enableing it for PF! LOL! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

6DOF for CFS3 isn't 3rd party! It was ordinary support for Track-IR i was talking about that was made by 3rd party for CFS3 six months or so ago.
As far as i know, no 3rd party has been able to make 6DOF work in any game.... yet!

I'm just saying that for all the games, i'm interested in myself, that lacked Track-IR support a couple of years back, every single one has been fixed to include enhanced Track-IR support by 3rd party.
Even games that was said to be impossible to solve!

This makes my believe that this 6DOF feature also will be made functioning by 3rd party in time.

triggerhappyfin
12-11-2004, 07:05 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">The one thing CFS3 does much better than IL2-PF</span>

P****ng me off?

DuxCorvan
12-11-2004, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VBF-83_Hawk:
EVeryone wants some sort of cheat device. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! You wouldnt know a cheat if it grew legs jumped up and kicked you in the face! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ehem, Tagert, that isn't a cheat. It's a kangaroo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

See, see:

http://www.effect.net.au/lukastan/oz/2nd/Boxing-Kangaroo.gif

raaaid
12-11-2004, 08:15 AM
cfs3 also has problems with 6dof the gunsight doesnt move when you lean

microsoft games that dont give any support get 6dof, il2 series with all the support dont get 6dof isnt it ironic?

TAGERT.
12-11-2004, 11:34 AM
Typically I quote what people say in that there is usally something they said that is worth repeating.. But for the following there was nothing of value, so I simply just replied back.

@USAflyer, GFY!
@SeaFireLIV, GFY!
@Fritzofn, GFY!
@The_Ant, GFY!
@Tiger27, GFY!
@Fehler, GFY! Hmm wait, you might enjoy that? Just FO!
@tHeBLrOgRoCkS, ...j00h4^1n9
@joeap, Go read my reply to Gibbage and see why u r wrong!

DuxCorvan
12-11-2004, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Typically I quote what people say in that there is usally something they said that is worth repeating.. But for the following there was nothing of value, so I simply just replied back.

@USAflyer, GFY!
@SeaFireLIV, GFY!
@Fritzofn, GFY!
@The_Ant, GFY!
@Tiger27, GFY!
@Fehler, GFY! Hmm wait, you might enjoy that? Just FO!
@tHeBLrOgRoCkS, ...j00h4^1n9
@joeap, Go read my reply to Gibbage and see why u r wrong! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like when you get angry, you look sexy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TAGERT.
12-11-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I like when you get angry, you look sexy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the big red vein that does it for you right?

Jester_159th
12-11-2004, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Typically I quote what people say in that there is usally something they said that is worth repeating.. But for the following there was nothing of value, so I simply just replied back.

@USAflyer, GFY!
@SeaFireLIV, GFY!
@Fritzofn, GFY!
@The_Ant, GFY!
@Tiger27, GFY!
@Fehler, GFY! Hmm wait, you might enjoy that? Just FO!
@tHeBLrOgRoCkS, ...j00h4^1n9
@joeap, Go read my reply to Gibbage and see why u r wrong! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Totally uncalled for.

Sorry mate, but I'm afraid as soon as I see this type of kneejerk response I know that the discussion isn't worth continuing.

TAGERT.
12-11-2004, 05:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jester_159th:
Totally uncalled for. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jester_159th:
Sorry mate, but I'm afraid as soon as I see this type of kneejerk response I know that the discussion isn't worth continuing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, dont be sorry.. In that the only way it would affect me is if I gave a rat a$$ about your continued input. Take care!

Jester_159th
12-11-2004, 06:11 PM
Thank you for proving my point.

And of course you don't want my continued input. Since I'm one of the majority that disagree with you, you wouldn't. Would you?

TAGERT.
12-11-2004, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jester_159th:
Thank you for proving my point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now dont take it personal.. What would you rather I lie to you and tell you I care?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jester_159th:
And of course you don't want my continued input. Since I'm one of the majority that disagree with you, you wouldn't. Would you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, in that you have said nothing that I havnet allready addressed in other peoples posts.. Now.. if you come up with something orginal, please, enlighten us! But, just know that I dont care if you do or dont! Take Care!

Bearcat99
12-11-2004, 07:21 PM
Ill tell you a few things CFS3 does better than PF....
1)Makes a far better coaster...
2)Makes a GREAT shim
3)Works wonders for getting me in the mood to rip someones head off.......
and best of all......
4)It is one of THE most inspirational tool to get me to fly FB3.0..... aside from FB3.0 itself of course.

BSS_Vidar
12-11-2004, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VBF-83_Hawk:
EVeryone wants some sort of cheat device. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Track IR a cheat devise? I completley disagree. Whether you use your thumb, or use a mouse to panview... and yes even your head, it makes no difference. The view limits are the same no matter what techniques you use. At least it's not padlock, or what I like to call auto radar LOL. The key word here for advances in PC gaming like this is "IMMERSION". Being able to freely move your head in the cockpit as if you could in a real aircraft makes it that much more intence. When I fly PC sims, my set-up allows me to use both feet, both hands, and my head to operate the game. As a real pilot and retired Naval Aviator, this is second only to doing it in real life. Now, If we can only get them to support this in the finest flight sim ever made...LOMAC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TAGERT.
12-12-2004, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:
Track IR a cheat devise? I completley disagree. Whether you use your thumb, or use a mouse to panview... and yes even your head, it makes no difference. The view limits are the same no matter what techniques you use. At least it's not padlock, or what I like to call auto radar LOL. The key word here for advances in PC gaming like this is "IMMERSION". Being able to freely move your head in the cockpit as if you could in a real aircraft makes it that much more intence. When I fly PC sims, my set-up allows me to use both feet, both hands, and my head to operate the game. As a real pilot and retired Naval Aviator, this is second only to doing it in real life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agree 100%

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:
Now, If we can only get them to support this in the finest flight sim ever made...LOMAC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What is the word on that? Because it would sure help the LOMAC views if you could sit up or lean a little to see around that canopy bar!

Fehler
12-12-2004, 01:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Typically I quote what people say in that there is usally something they said that is worth repeating.. But for the following there was nothing of value, so I simply just replied back.

@USAflyer, GFY!
@SeaFireLIV, GFY!
@Fritzofn, GFY!
@The_Ant, GFY!
@Tiger27, GFY!
@Fehler, GFY! Hmm wait, you might enjoy that? Just FO!
@tHeBLrOgRoCkS, ...j00h4^1n9
@joeap, Go read my reply to Gibbage and see why u r wrong! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A true pixel warrior...