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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:24 AM
Ok so firstly I would like to thank you all for opening this post and giving me a chance. So I'm about to buy a new machine with a bloody big budget, I'm gonna build one myself probably but would like to here everyones opinion on the spec of my new pc and what i should buy. I'm gonna get the lot from Dabs.com and i want a Frame Rate moster for FB, what do u all recomend?

thanks in advance

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:24 AM
Ok so firstly I would like to thank you all for opening this post and giving me a chance. So I'm about to buy a new machine with a bloody big budget, I'm gonna build one myself probably but would like to here everyones opinion on the spec of my new pc and what i should buy. I'm gonna get the lot from Dabs.com and i want a Frame Rate moster for FB, what do u all recomend?

thanks in advance

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:57 AM
I would actually wait to see whats coming out next, as of now the p4 3.06 800 fsb runs FB much better then the fastest amd

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:08 AM
well my athlon 2600 333fsb ,with kt400a mobo runs FB very well indeed,with most settings maxed except perfect and running a slighty overclocked gf3ti200 i get in cockpit 50plus fps with heavy graphical content,which is pretty fine by me

all this business about p4 runnnig better than amd is news to me and anyway a few fps here and there make no differnce up at 50 -60 fps area!

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:08 AM
"p4 3.06 800 fsb"

Thanks, but wait till when? theres always something new in the pipeline in the PC world, IMO you've just got to buy what you think you need and accept that by the time you finish building ur PC it will be not quite so upto date

any idea as to what is coming out next and when it will be out?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:12 AM
Best prices I could find:

Abit IS7($103)
Intel 2.4C($185) or 2.8C($287)
2x512mb PC3200 C2($195)
Antec Sonata Case 380W ($104+$15 Shipping)
SB Audigy 2 OEM($68)
ATi 9600 Pro($170) or 9700 Pro($295)

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:16 AM
Classicaero wrote:

- any idea as to what is coming out next and when it
- will be out?

This is a great time to get a computer IMO. The next big thing in the Processor arena will be the long overdue AMD Hammer or the 775 Pin Intel procs. No idea about the Hammer processors but the new Intel chips should hit the market second quarter of next year.

Video cards are really confusing right now. There is no clear winner in the mid range arena, but if I had to choose one the ATi 9600 Pro would be it. The new Nvidia cards based on the 5900 should be good but I am waiting for the reviews. The 5600 Ultra should be one heck of a card as well, i have heard very good things about it. Assuming it is going to be under $200 I would recommend that when it comes out, but once again always wait for reviews.



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:28 AM
Hi Classicaero,

I personally think the decision between AMD and Pentium is a very subjective one, as the tests don't really show all that much difference in speed between top models of Pentium or AMD.

If I were to upgrade now, I would take the ASUS P4C800 Deluxe Mobo, chuck in a +3GHz p4, install the ATI 9800 pro 256MB with at least 1Gb ram.
But as I said, that is mainly because I have always had ASUS boards and have always been happy with them.



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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:41 AM
ok so can someone explain a few terms to me pls,

i assume mobo = motherboard but just cant figure out

fsb what does fsb mean?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 11:45 AM
Classicaero wrote:
- ok so can someone explain a few terms to me pls,
-
- i assume mobo = motherboard but just cant
- figure out
-
- fsb what does fsb mean?
-

fsb = front side bus

i am not all too great explaining these terms, but I believe it has to do with how much data the processor can shovel from and to the mobo (motherboard).

ASUS has fsb from 333Mhz up to now the new 800Mhz front side bus. It is important to have the same fsb specs on the processor as on the mobo.

I am open to be corrected.





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Hawgdog
06-19-2003, 11:48 AM
Classicaero wrote:
- ok so can someone explain a few terms to me pls,
-
- i assume mobo = motherboard but just cant
- figure out
-
- fsb what does fsb mean?
-
-

Front Side Bus, a speed term. Good processor, you wont be unhappy, DONT forget lots and lots of cooling, get a case or chop up one to accept a huge fan in the side blowing directly onto the mobo and processor, in addition to a high end (they are cheap) processor fan
good list of goodies posted here. Stuff is cheap now, cheaper than in a long time

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:04 PM
Check this link out:-

http://www.simhq.com/_technology/technology_002a.html


Also AMD Hammer and Intel Prescot is scheduled for release this 4th quarter to 1 quarter next year.

Personally I'm trying to wait till PCI Express comes out early next year.


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:06 PM
I am no professor so I would appreciate if someone could correct me if I am wrong here:

Think of a computer as a pyramid. At the top you have the processor, which is the fastest component. For example, a 3 Ghz Intel CPU(which is really just the FSB with a mulitplier). Anywho, every time you take a step down the pyramid you decrease the speed of the component but increase the "size", its ability to hold data. Cache for example is very small (currently 8k/512k on Northwood Intel procs and 128k/512k on AMD), but runs at very high speeds. The FSB(front side bus) is the speed at which the processor communicates with the rest of the computer(via the Northbridge I believe). Then you have system memory, and then your Hard Drive. Hard Drives are at the bottom of the pyramid, holding tons of data but are very slow compared to either the memory or cache. That is why we have memory because accessing the Hard Drive directly would slow your fastest processor to a crawl.

Concerning the never ending battle between Intel and AMD:

You will find that AMD has many a diehard fanboy. So does Intel but not as many, at least not PC Enthusiasts. The truth is that they both release good processors, often outdoing each other. Which is better? The answer changes every time one of the companies releases a new product or cuts its prices. Intel is very definitely in the lead right now. Their new C line (800FSB) is both faster and cheaper(:O, yes, its true) especially at the high end, than AMDs solutions. 6months ago the oppossite was true. Six months from now? Who knows, but right now go with Intel.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:36 PM
thanks guys for all your help, now only if i could get broadband in this damned area i live in.