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LLv34_Jani
09-04-2003, 06:32 PM
Well, here's the first bug i found and i really wonder how this got past the betatest /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Bf109 K-4 Rudder is dead, it simply don't work at all.

I tried many of the other planes and rudder works just fine on them.

Anyone else care to verify this please?

Thanks.

LLv34_Jani
09-04-2003, 06:32 PM
Well, here's the first bug i found and i really wonder how this got past the betatest /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Bf109 K-4 Rudder is dead, it simply don't work at all.

I tried many of the other planes and rudder works just fine on them.

Anyone else care to verify this please?

Thanks.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:34 PM
That's almost funny.


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:34 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:35 PM
B239 Brewsters sea level top speed is incorrectly at 400kmph. Real one is approx 430kmph.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:46 PM
Thats a big yes on your inop 109K rudder same here inop no movement.

Think they forgot to hookup the pushrods this time!!!!!


LOL

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:50 PM
Yep. Won't be seeing any 109Ks for a while.

No rudder whatsoever.

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LLv34_Jani
09-04-2003, 06:51 PM
LOL i almost find it unbelivable that they missed this in beta testing.
Its so sad about the rudder, im in mission 67 with 103 kills flying K-4 and now i cant continue it untill its fixed.

Im also abit disapointed that the ME-262 front wheel has not been fixed either. Taxiing this plane is a nightmare.

Well, back to more testing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Message Edited on 09/04/0306:54PM by LLv34_Jani

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:52 PM
I saw this in the readme, and thought i'd see how they fixed the compass.

Fixed Yak-3 magnetic compass reading


What am I missing? I don't see anything different.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:53 PM
Wow now thats lame, hopefuly they fix this like ASAP!, and not for next patch lol

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 06:57 PM
LLv34_Jani wrote:
- Bf109 K-4 Rudder is dead, it simply don't work at
- all.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Ok, I'll stop the download right now.
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:00 PM
Oh brother and i was hoping K4 could be restored to almost like it was in 1.0 LoL dumb me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Now im downloading and il see whats diff...

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:10 PM
They never did fix the He111 feathering problem where the prop, when feathered, ends up spinning backwards. Oh well, it seems the aforementioned rudder problem on the K4 is a much bigger priority though...I hope. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


It's only funny til someone loses an eye....then it's hilarious

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:13 PM
Weather_Man wrote:
- Yep. Won't be seeing any 109Ks for a while.
-
- No rudder whatsoever.
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LMAO.. but there is not many of them anyway, every1 fly's FW

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:15 PM
Has anyone verified whether the K4 rudder bug is present in both the "upgrade" and "full" patches? I suppose there's a slim chance that it's in one and not the other.


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:22 PM
P-47 roll rate still porked

Brewster is way too slow now.

Still no Drop tanks for 109 F-series!

and Indeed no rudder for 109 K4.. funny! How is that possible to forget bug like that to a game like this..
I could imagine, that the betatest team is drunk all the time.

EDit:

109 F2, F4, G2, G6 ammo count for MG151/15 and MG151/20 is certainly still not 200..

And what the hell is wrong with Emils now? I can't get her over 410 at sea level! I mean I-16 is faster now (I mean all E4, E7/B, E7/Z)! And engine is very wierd. I blow her engine at 2650 RPM, What the F***? It should go 2800 RPM with ease.. Emils are total crap now.. Auto pitch works at 2200 RPM, and it is WAY too slow.. if you use manual you blow engine..

Omg how can you make mistakes, like these for final patch? I find this hilarious (i'm lying, im Shocked!.. omg).. looks like back to 1.1B soon. I just want the sound from 1.1 Final..



Message Edited on 09/04/0308:34PM by Vipez-

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:24 PM
F4 still woefully short on 20mm ammo.

I fired of each cannon round individually and counted them....83 shots.

Now if it's firing 2 for 1 that means we have roughly 160 rounds. Not 200.

If it's firing just one round per squirt then it's seriously serious.

I hope to god it's not firing 3 rounds per trigger squeeze.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:25 PM
LLv34_Jani wrote:
- Well, here's the first bug i found and i really
- wonder how this got past the betatest /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- Bf109 K-4 Rudder is dead, it simply don't work at
- all.

Well, I'm glad I don't really fly this 109. Mostly I fly all the others up to and including the Gs (hope no probs emerge with them). But this is really unbelievible. I feel bad for all who had this as their fave bird. Shame on the beta testers!

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:26 PM
Emils burn up engines at 2700rpm very quicky.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:36 PM
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You guys are all wrong.
K4 never had movable rudder,in FB there are not such bugs.
This is first time in PC Sim that real things are modelled
Please show Movie or Pictures of same Plane with diffrent ruder Positions in Air!
And please dont post Blueprints these arent moveable and show nothing!

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:36 PM
Vipez- wrote:
- P-47 roll rate still porked
-


Not at the correct speeds. Test the roll-rate between 300 and 400 kph. Remember, airspeed greatly affects roll-rate.

Tsisqua

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:39 PM
Still no sound when you are getting hit. This is so basic to game play that it is taken for granted on every other flight sim I have ever played.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:44 PM
Sound is still rubbish. What a load of Crap!

"the empty can rattles the most"

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:44 PM
Is there a way to pull out the files that get hosed by the patch and then put them back in or are they compressed into a huge .DAT file? Just curious I love flying the Emil...glad they fixed the Stuka and HE111. To bad about the K4 love that beast also.



Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:49 PM
- You guys are all wrong.
- K4 never had movable rudder,in FB there are not such
- bugs.
- This is first time in PC Sim that real things are
- modelled
- Please show Movie or Pictures of same Plane with
- diffrent ruder Positions in Air!
- And please dont post Blueprints these arent moveable
- and show nothing!


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:49 PM
tascaso wrote:
- Is there a way to pull out the files that get hosed
- by the patch and then put them back in or are they
- compressed into a huge .DAT file?


All coded. Sorry. No way to do that.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:49 PM
Col.Kurtz wrote:
- <img
- src="http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.
- com/images/07-minister.jpg">
-
- You guys are all wrong.
- K4 never had movable rudder,in FB there are not such
- bugs.
- This is first time in PC Sim that real things are
- modelled
- Please show Movie or Pictures of same Plane with
- diffrent ruder Positions in Air!
- And please dont post Blueprints these arent moveable
- and show nothing!

ROFL!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:02 PM
Silly looking plumes of smoke (reminiscent of marge simpsons hairdo) still present.

"the empty can rattles the most"

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:07 PM
DrDave242 wrote:
- Has anyone verified whether the K4 rudder bug is
- present in both the "upgrade" and "full" patches? I
- suppose there's a slim chance that it's in one and
- not the other.
-
-

No K4 rudder in 1.1 final, "upgrade" and "full" patch makes no difference.


This must be fixed ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


schofei

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:13 PM
hi,

I have flown for a half hour and i stated the following:

not only the rudder of the bf109k4 is broken but
the rudder of the p40 doesn`t also work 100%.

The sound is the same as in v.1.1b.

With my fw its easy to take out the p39.

rgds


Martin van Vuuren
Rotterdam/Holland
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:15 PM
i forgot something,

When you shoot with the p40 the enginesound disappear.

Martin van Vuuren
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:20 PM
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Rudder Ducky, you're the one,
You make bathtime lots of fun,
Rudder Ducky, I'm awfully fond of you;

(woh woh, bee doh!)

Rudder Ducky, joy of joys,
When I squeeze you, you make noise!
Rudder Ducky, you're my very best friend, it's true!

(doo doo doo doooo, doo doo)

CHORUS: Every day when I
Make my to the tubby
I find a little fella who's
Cute and yellow and chubby

(rub-a-dub-a-dubby!)

Rudder Ducky, you're so fine
And I'm lucky that you're mine
Rudder ducky, I'm awfully fond of you.

(repeat chorus)

Rudder Ducky, you're so fine
And I'm lucky that you're mine
Rudder ducky, I'm awfully fond of -
Rudder ducky, I'd like a whole pond of -
Rudder ducky I'm awfully fond of you!

(doo doo, be doo.)

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:23 PM
the rudder of the K4 will be a 15kb payware addon! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:29 PM
Stop!~ your killing me LMAO!...owell sound is much better, and no studder, where getting closer, just need my rudder-ducky

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:30 PM
K4 rudder.....dead.

!!!INCREDIBLE!!! !!!INCREDIBLE!!! !!!INCREDIBLE!!!

No no guys, now stop please. Give us a FINAL patch in the ADDON and NOT FOR FREE. Now i want ABSOLUTELY pay for it....is better for all.

K4 bug is really incredible, i want a very little patch on friday, for the development update.

K4 out of line.............sorry pilots.




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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:33 PM
Did the German planes have automatic mixture controls? The P-47 have maxture control but the P-40 and the P-39 don't have their mixture control functioning.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:33 PM
Veltro wrote:

-
- No no guys, now stop please. Give us a FINAL patch
- in the ADDON and NOT FOR FREE. Now i want ABSOLUTELY
- pay for it....is better for all.
-

Then you'll have a buggy payware addon instead of a freeware buggy patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
C'mon, dont take it so seriously Veltro /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Message Edited on 09/04/0309:33PM by Abraxa

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:36 PM
there is still a sound problem with the me262 where the sound of the second engine does not come up. not for a while anyway.



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:39 PM
Abraxa....ma ti rendi conto. Lo so c'√¬® di peggio nella vita.....ci mancherebbe, per√¬≤ ma che cavolo fanno? Adesso il K4 manco lo possiamo pilotare.

Ma √¬® roba da pazzi, ricominciavo a prenderci la mano........

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 08:53 PM
Last night I flew the 109-F4. 100% throttle, CEM, 75% fuel, auto radiator control.

I was able to set prop pitch so the engine stayed at around 3000 rpms, which was great for climbing quickly.

Today, with the new patch - go over 2500 rpms and the engine burns out in absolute seconds.

I don't know which was historically accurate. But I do know the F4 now "feels" slower in climbing than it did pre-patch.



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:08 PM
This is as it should be.

According to Russian tests performed on a captured K4, the K4 suffered from no rudder movement at all.

Many documents outside of Russia testify that the K4 did, in fact, have rudder control, and many LW pilots who flew it insisted it was very useful in controlling the plane.

However, those documents are inaccurate and you know how unreliable anecdotal accounts by actual pilot's are.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:09 PM
Low level AI formations still porpoise around all over the place. It's caused by the lead plane flying more slowly than the rest!! Looks like an aerobatic team on speed. Bah humbug.
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:11 PM
Wring it out for a day or so guys. Then let's talk.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:11 PM
Sound much improved, except:

1. two sounds are still far too loud in level: the ships firing and the sound of water impacts. You can here ships firing and shells hitting the water even when you are several kilometers inland. They are as loud, if not louder, than the sound of flak bursting near your aircraft.

2. No flaps, landing gear sounds in 109s, 190s (other than horn in 109. Perhaps this is intentional.

I can, however, report that impacts on your aircraft (and many other previously missing sounds) are now audible. They don't sound the same as in 1.0, but they are there and can be clearly heard if your engine is dead. Also shrapnel and bullet impact sounds are different, which is pretty cool. If you are not hearing them, try adjusting your settings some or at least try taking some hits with dead engine to confirm that they are not totally missing on your system.


The only other problem I've noted (well, other than the "fixed" rudder trim on the K4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) is that the automatic radiators never fully close, at least visually. The only way to have them completely closed is to use the "closed" setting, even on a cold engine. Perhaps this is intentional, but seems strange.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:14 PM
Veltro wrote:
- Abraxa....ma ti rendi conto. Lo so c'√¬® di peggio
- nella vita.....ci mancherebbe, per√¬≤ ma che cavolo
- fanno? Adesso il K4 manco lo possiamo pilotare.
-
- Ma √¬® roba da pazzi, ricominciavo a prenderci la
- mano........


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:15 PM
Abraxa wrote:
- the rudder of the K4 will be a 15kb payware addon!
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:17 PM
Thanks....thats what I feared we are hosed .... one step forward two steps back....to much VODKA I fear!


Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:22 PM
I`ve just discovered that the final patch is out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif ! You guys sure are fast to find the K4 prob. If true, it`s pretty much inexcusable and released way too soon.

I personally believe in giving the patch a proper test. We`ll see what happens in a day or so. If the K4 thing is right, Oleg better bring a patch out for it in 24 hrs!

It`s like an artist forgetting to add the Blue to the Yellow to make the Green!!



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:46 PM
Seafire, k4 problem is there. when you get the patch, just fire up a QMB with K4, and have a look /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:01 PM
What about the Me262? Does the zoom climb still leave her gasping for air under her wings at the top?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:05 PM
Yep 262 at high alt loses energy VERY much.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:07 PM
Jani and others: please don't **** off the beta team - this wasn't sent to any beta team. The Ubi internal team should have caught it though.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:11 PM
So the 262 still can't fly over 7500m? That is really terrible. I hope they have it fixed by the time the B-17 comes out. Does the 262 still bleed too much energy in a climb, or has this been fixed to the pre-patch version? What exactly have they done to my bird? I'm on duty and I can't try the new patch out for another three hours. They say they've changed/tweaked the FM further. Can someone please provide details?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:15 PM
- Sun is not shining through instrument panel in B-239 any more.


oh , didnt know developers cared about that one , if i did i would have mentioned that he111 instrument panel is semitransparent to sun too !

This patch really is a "blast", big enough to damage some planes in the game (e.g. K4)



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:22 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:11 PM
i hate this so much. my joystick is broken and untill i get the new one in the mail(its still under waranty) i cant play:-( but i tryed it a lil with keyboard and the main things that were bothering me seem to be fixed. i really do want to play it online tho

P.S. for those who have saitek x45s, have u ever had the wire from the joystick to the throttle stop working making the throttle not work? thx

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:53 AM
My sound problems were not fixed....just as bad as 1.1b. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:30 AM
1. ME 262 top speeds corrected.
Took her past 10000m alt.
Zoom climb is still very much porked and she can't beat anything in that without at least 750Km showing initially.
2.No K-4 rudder probs here.
My stick doesn't have rudder controls anyway/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:38 AM
NOOOOOOO!

what did they do to meh baby!!!

*cries*

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09-05-2003, 01:42 AM
WOW...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I gotta say I am surprised....... I tried it and yeah it is porked......no rudder , no trim nothing....I just hopped into my Jug and loved it..... man.....Now i think I'll fly every plane just to see. I must say I am surprised that that one slipped by the testers......../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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09-05-2003, 02:31 PM
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