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Alex_Voicu
09-15-2006, 03:42 AM
I made this just for fun using CAD software from work, which means it's made of curved surfaces, not polygons and it's not compatible with the file format required for PF or BoB:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon3.jpg

I started converting this model a few days ago, but's not easy and it's going to take another week or two to rebuild it using polygons. Maybe i'll do it for BoB, but i don't know if i'll have time for this. Anyway, it was the same for the Tempest when i started it.
I'm looking for images, drawings, anything that may help me, especially for the car-door version. If you have something like this, please contact me at a_voiku at yahoo dot com.
WIP pictures of the conversion process:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon1.jpg

http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon2.jpg

WOLFMondo
09-15-2006, 03:49 AM
Neat! You know allot of people would appreciate seeing the Tiffie in BoB.

Hanglands
09-15-2006, 03:52 AM
I dont know if youre in the UK, if you are you could do worse than to checkout the fine example at RAF Museum Hendon.

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/hawker-typhoon-1b.htm

stathem
09-15-2006, 03:57 AM
..already very beautiful, Alex, thanks, and good luck with it.

I daresay say you've already seen them, but there are some really pretty pics of Tiffies here (http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/fa_18492s.aspx) from 272/348 to 297/348. I think there are some bubbletop ones later as well.

The-Pizza-Man
09-15-2006, 04:21 AM
Out of interest what program did you do it in, Solidworks?

mynameisroland
09-15-2006, 07:10 AM
It looks like you are using a heck of a lot of polygons, particularly around the Chin intake and the nose cowling areas. One danger I have found from modeling in Nurb surfaces and then converting to Polygons is that to retain a faithful shape from the origional model the poly count sometimes needs to be larger than if you just modeled straight from Poly in the 1st place.

Nice work anyhow

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Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 07:16 AM
Really nice!

p1ngu666
09-15-2006, 08:13 AM
awsome http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ive read that sidney camm started meetings with a argument, the typhoon is a flying argument http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

gotta love its http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif looks.

faustnik
09-15-2006, 11:53 AM
What an interesting a/c! Wish we had it for PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hopefully we'll get a specific Channel Front 41-43 addon for BoB someday. There are some great matchups there! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Kuna_
09-15-2006, 12:09 PM
Nice work there.
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biggs222
09-15-2006, 01:26 PM
would it be ok if you showed us a wire frame render?... im interested in how u modeled the wing fillets... im working on a spit and an emil.

BillyTheKid_22
09-15-2006, 02:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Hawker typhoon!!! great NICE!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

VW-IceFire
09-15-2006, 03:14 PM
It brings me great joy to even consider the possiblity of flying a Typhoon in the future. Yes its similar to the Tempest...but it'd be nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
09-15-2006, 03:24 PM
One of my alltime favorite planes. This would be wonderful for ground attack - nice and stable I do believe.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2006, 06:50 PM
Well if it were to come true, then my squaddies and me would have our real official mount, which for the time being is the Tempest, because of the lack of the Tiffy.

Xiolablu3
09-16-2006, 04:51 AM
Its a really nice looker, thats for sure.

I wonder why Sidney Camm liked his thick wings so much? I guess his thought was that it could carry a lot of ordanance.

Xiolablu3
09-16-2006, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:


Hopefully we'll get a specific Channel Front 41-43 addon for BoB someday. There are some great matchups there! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

That would be a great addition. The Allies only really have the Spitfire V for that 1941-42 period right now, and vs the 109F4 and 190 its overwhelmed.

A Tiffie with its 4x20mm and lots of ammo would sure level the firld a bit!

DIRTY-MAC
09-16-2006, 05:54 AM
how fast were the Typhoon compaired to the other german fighters at the same time, when it came into service

major_setback
09-16-2006, 11:00 AM
I think this is a Tiffy:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/16.jpg

VW-IceFire
09-16-2006, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
how fast were the Typhoon compaired to the other german fighters at the same time, when it came into service
The Typhoon was rated at 404mph at maximum. I forget what its sea level ratings were, but it was higher than the jabo FW190s being used to his the English coast in 1942. For this reason, Typhoons were stationed on the coast waiting for a report of an attack and they'd go racing off after the FW190s. Commonly the Typhoon would run the FW190s down and often surprise them.

So as far as speed was concerned...the Typhoon was the fastest fighter on the channel front during 1942. Except at altitude. At 15,000 feet and higher the Typhoon was a beast and wasn't able to keep up with much of anything. So its use as a fighter was restricted. The problem with tail separation in high speed dives was also an issue which meant that the Typhoon was never ideal for high altitude fighting as it could never safely gaurantee chasing a fighter down from high to low. Tail separation was a mystery at that point...it didn't happen that often but just enough to put dive speed restrictions on the aircraft.

Around the end of 1942 the Typhoon was nearly cancelled as its attributes as a fighter were not living upto expectations and the Spitfire IX was proving to be a solid match for the FW190 and Bf109 at all heights. The Tiffy was saved because those who were flying it started to show how useful its heavy firepower and sturdy construction were against ground targets, low flying aircraft, and so forth. In 1943 bombs were fitted and in 1944 rockets were fitted and the Typhoon became a fighter-bomber or tactical fighter.

Sorry...just launched into a history lesson again! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

luftluuver
09-16-2006, 11:13 AM
It was not just in dives that a tail seperation could happen. It also happened in level flight.

tomtheyak
09-16-2006, 11:29 AM
I thought it occurred on pull out, i.e under 'G'.

stathem
09-16-2006, 11:54 AM
It was harmonics set-up by flutter in the elevator mass balances under the high and early compressability of the thick wing...or something. The strengthing plates visible in Major_Setback's photo were part of the solution.

spitfireperformance has curves for Typhoons. According to them it was capable of ~340mph on the deck thoroughout 1942 to summer '43 and then 357mph after the later Sabre and 4 blades were introduced.

What FW variants were operating in those timespans and how quick were they?

The 1.65ATA low-level seaside express special A5 was created for some reason...

BerkshireHunt
09-16-2006, 05:25 PM
Out of 3000 Typhoons built 23 lost their tails, some in level flight. So it was never a big problem - contrary to what you will read in many books. It occurred at about the same rate as the tail losses suffered by the early 109Fs.

VW-IceFire
09-16-2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
It was not just in dives that a tail seperation could happen. It also happened in level flight.
I've never read that anywhere.

Just dives...and as stathem points out...it was the flutter and harmonics that caused the failures.

Xiolablu3
09-16-2006, 06:26 PM
I believe it was just in very fast dives, as one of the reasons it was such a mystery for so long and not fixed was because no pilot ever survived to explain what had happened.

If it had happened in level flight, they would have been able to bail out.

In the high speed dive the pilot was always killed and so never lived to tell what went wrong.

Just looked it up, it was indeed in 'Power dives'

'An apparent structural weakness in the tail meant that it tended to break off when pulling out of dives, the Fw's favourite escape. Once again there was talk of killing the design. The cause of these tail-failures (in which only one of the pilots survived to give any clue to the reason) was found to be fatigue failure of the elevator mass-balance, allowing elevator-flutter to occur which was at its greatest when pulling-out of a dive. As a "temporary" measure, rectangular strengthening "fishplates" were riveted around the fuselage/empennage jointâ€"ťthe site of the failures. These fishplates remained a feature on all subsequent Typhoons.'


I love this plane

'During late 1942 and early 1943, the Typhoon Squadrons on the South Coast were effective in countering the Luftwaffe's "tip and run" low-level nuisance raids, shooting down a score or more of fighter bomber FW-190's. The first two Messerschmitt Me 210 fighter-bombers to be destroyed over the British Isles fell to the guns of Typhoons in late 1942, and during a daylight raid by the Luftwaffe on London on January 20, 1943, five Fw 190s were destroyed by Typhoons.'

A good read :-

http://www.answers.com/topic/hawker-typhoon

Blottogg
09-16-2006, 06:44 PM
Alex, there are some good early model Tiffie pics here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/fa_18491s.aspx

Along with Whirlwind, Spitfire, Lancaster pics, and others. I hope this helps.

luftluuver
09-16-2006, 07:40 PM
P/O Kilpatrick of 193 Sqd lost the tail of his Typhoon at 27,000ft in a turn. He survived by getting out at 10,000ft. He was lucky to get out of the wildly tumbling a/c. He was one of only 2 that survived.

Hawker test pilot Ken Seth-Smith died while doing spin testing when the Typhoon lost its tail.

A week later a 56 Sqd Typhoon disintegrated in mid-formation with 2 other Typhoons.

Roland Beamont

We were in a wing formation, about 24 Typhoons, when one of the chaps in front of me stopped being a Typhoon and became a mass of little bits flying about

....for the failures occured with no set pattern, at differing heights and certainly not during the high powered manuevers (like dives) which would put a strain on the fuselage. Some happened during gentile cruise; others as the a/c was approaching the airfield to land.

Alex_Voicu
09-17-2006, 10:31 AM
Update:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon5.jpg

http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon6.jpg

VW-IceFire
09-17-2006, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
P/O Kilpatrick of 193 Sqd lost the tail of his Typhoon at 27,000ft in a turn. He survived by getting out at 10,000ft. He was lucky to get out of the wildly tumbling a/c. He was one of only 2 that survived.

Hawker test pilot Ken Seth-Smith died while doing spin testing when the Typhoon lost its tail.

A week later a 56 Sqd Typhoon disintegrated in mid-formation with 2 other Typhoons.

Roland Beamont

We were in a wing formation, about 24 Typhoons, when one of the chaps in front of me stopped being a Typhoon and became a mass of little bits flying about

....for the failures occured with no set pattern, at differing heights and certainly not during the high powered manuevers (like dives) which would put a strain on the fuselage. Some happened during gentile cruise; others as the a/c was approaching the airfield to land.
Ahh interesting. I had not come across those reports. Thanks!

Xiolablu3
09-17-2006, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
P/O Kilpatrick of 193 Sqd lost the tail of his Typhoon at 27,000ft in a turn. He survived by getting out at 10,000ft. He was lucky to get out of the wildly tumbling a/c. He was one of only 2 that survived.

Hawker test pilot Ken Seth-Smith died while doing spin testing when the Typhoon lost its tail.

A week later a 56 Sqd Typhoon disintegrated in mid-formation with 2 other Typhoons.

Roland Beamont

We were in a wing formation, about 24 Typhoons, when one of the chaps in front of me stopped being a Typhoon and became a mass of little bits flying about

....for the failures occured with no set pattern, at differing heights and certainly not during the high powered manuevers (like dives) which would put a strain on the fuselage. Some happened during gentile cruise; others as the a/c was approaching the airfield to land.
Ahh interesting. I had not come across those reports. Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good find Luft.

major_setback
09-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Loading rockets onto one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/3_in_RP_60_pdr_Loading_On_Typhoon.jpg

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RP-3

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http://www.rafharrowbeer.co.uk/picts/Hulbert_plus_tiffy_lge.jpg

http://pages.intnet.mu/warbirds/Typhoon.jpg

The Aircraft resource centre has a site page dedicated to the (bubble canopy) Tiffy:

http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/301-400/walk327_Typhoon/walk327.htm

examples:


http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/301-400/walk327_Typhoon/images_Bryan_Ribbans/t16.jpeg

http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/301-400/walk327_Typhoon/images_Ken_Middleton/typhoon_ww_11.jpg

http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/301-400/walk327_Typhoon/images_Bryan_Ribbans/t03.jpeg

mynameisroland
09-18-2006, 05:17 AM
Bump for the wireframe please.

If you show us people like Gibbage can give you an idea if it would be possible to be included in SoW.

stathem
09-18-2006, 05:21 AM
Roland, you do realise that it was Alex_Voicu who built the Tempest?

OD_79
09-18-2006, 06:09 AM
I'd love a Typhoon, my favourite plane! Could really smash up the Wermacht then.
Got to admit I am looking forward to having the English Channel so we can do proper cross Channel raids with Typhoons, Hurricanes the lot.
And this model just looks brilliant. Wish it could be in IL2.

OD.

Beaufort-RAF
09-18-2006, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
P/O Kilpatrick of 193 Sqd lost the tail of his Typhoon at 27,000ft in a turn. He survived by getting out at 10,000ft. He was lucky to get out of the wildly tumbling a/c. He was one of only 2 that survived.

Hawker test pilot Ken Seth-Smith died while doing spin testing when the Typhoon lost its tail.

A week later a 56 Sqd Typhoon disintegrated in mid-formation with 2 other Typhoons.

Roland Beamont

We were in a wing formation, about 24 Typhoons, when one of the chaps in front of me stopped being a Typhoon and became a mass of little bits flying about

....for the failures occured with no set pattern, at differing heights and certainly not during the high powered manuevers (like dives) which would put a strain on the fuselage. Some happened during gentile cruise; others as the a/c was approaching the airfield to land.

This is from a book I have by a Typhoon pilot:-

However before the move something quite tragic and totally
unexpected happened to give us all a severe jolt.

Flying training was taking place as normal, many aeroplanes taking off and landing. Some of us were outside dispersal when an aircraft over flying the airfield at about 2000 ft before joining the circuit for landing, suddenly broke in two.

The entire tail plane had fallen off the Typhoon. The aircraft dived vertically and exploded at the end of the airfield, the tail plane landing simultaneously nearby.

There was a moment of dazed silence. We were stunned by the catastrophe and gloom and fear surrounded the flight office. There was obviously no chance of survival for the pilot. We hoped for a miracle but knew he could not be alive. We feared he would be so awfully burned and mangled we would not recognize him and our worst fears were realized.

At the subsequent emergency enquiry it was assumed that the pilots neck was broken at the moment of the fatal fracture, such was the rapid abrupt dive of the fuselage as the tail plane fell away.

Beechy was the squadron’s first fatality, but many more were envisaged as we became operational. He was a tall, pleasant softly spoken character who was well liked by everyone. They were not crocodile tears I shed in private over my friend. I vowed to myself never to make any more truly close friends for the remainder of the war.

JG53Frankyboy
09-18-2006, 09:52 AM
my personal wishlist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif for a possible SoW Channel 1941-42 AdOn regarding flyable planes:

1941/42

Hurricane Mk.IIb&c (Hurribombers !)
Spitfire Mk.IIa
Spitfire Mk.Vb (one with boost level for 41, one for 42)
Spitfire Mk.IXc (Merlin 61 or 63)
Typhoon Mk.Ib
Mustang Mk.I
Mosquito F.Mk.II
Mosquito B.Mk.IV
Boston Mk.III

Bf109E-7/N, /Z
Bf109F-2,-4
Bf109G-1
Fw190A-1,-3
Ju88A-4
Ju88C-6
Do217E


and yes, the Typhoon please with Sidedoor Canopy and 3 blade propeller http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xiolablu3
09-18-2006, 10:15 AM
You see how thick the wings are? Its almost ridiculous.

I wonder why Hawker made them so thick? They did the same with the Hurricane. Maybe for sturdiness?


Soon to be remedied with the Laminar flow wing in the Tempest.

OD_79
09-18-2006, 12:47 PM
They are far thicker than the Hurricanes. I think it is because they were meant for high altitude and the fact that they were designed from the outset to house 12 0.303 inch machine guns.
Made fitting the cannon easy enough as well I suppose, then the fact that they were so strong meant that they carried a ridiculous amount of bombs and rockets.
Only drawback was it made ditching in the sea far more dangerous than most other aircraft. (Read Tempest Pilot by Wng Cmd J Sheddan).
Looks like a mean b'stard though - especially with that radiator and the 4 20mm cannon sticking out like that...I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end!

OD

BerkshireHunt
09-18-2006, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by OD_79:
Looks like a mean b'stard though - especially with that radiator and the 4 20mm cannon sticking out like that...I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end!
OD

There was an infamous 'blue on blue' incident involving a flight of Typhoons which attacked a flotilla of British ships off the coast off France (in 1944 I believe). There was some correspondence about it in the London Daily Mail a few years ago. The naval officer in command of the ships failed to give the correct signal when asked to identify himself and although the Typhoons carried out a visual check and ascertained that the ships were probably British they were ordered by the sector controller to proceed with their attack.
Anyway, the ships were devastated and many crewmen were killed. One of the few survivors said later that being attacked by rocket armed Typhoons and strafed with 20mm cannon shells at close range was "a terrible experience - like receiving a broadside from a battleship".

p1ngu666
09-18-2006, 02:48 PM
tiffe was a continuation of the hurri, and this was before the thick wing was realised tobe bad...

the hurri had a thick wing, because its basicaly a fury, with biplanes wings made into 1, effectivly.

typhoon looks much more angry and badass irl, than it does in pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
09-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by OD_79:
They are far thicker than the Hurricanes. I think it is because they were meant for high altitude and the fact that they were designed from the outset to house 12 0.303 inch machine guns.
Made fitting the cannon easy enough as well I suppose, then the fact that they were so strong meant that they carried a ridiculous amount of bombs and rockets.
Only drawback was it made ditching in the sea far more dangerous than most other aircraft. (Read Tempest Pilot by Wng Cmd J Sheddan).
Looks like a mean b'stard though - especially with that radiator and the 4 20mm cannon sticking out like that...I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end!

OD
They actually spec'ed in the 20mm Hispanos as being the primary armament of the Typhoon right from the start. But the cannons weren't ready so the 12 .303 was decided to be equipped on the first Typhoons and quickly switch to the IB with the 20mm cannons.

I'll bet that the size of the cannon install was definately in their minds when they went to design the Typhoons wing.

Monty_Thrud
09-19-2006, 01:18 PM
Here are some more...

This is from Hawker Typhoon, Tempest and Sea Fury(good book)
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Typhoon-4.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Typhoon3884L.jpg

This appears to be an early 1b, similar to the enclosed 1a but filled with perspex??

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Typhoon17.jpg

luftluuver
09-19-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
They actually spec'ed in the 20mm Hispanos as being the primary armament of the Typhoon right from the start. But the cannons weren't ready so the 12 .303 was decided to be equipped on the first Typhoons and quickly switch to the IB with the 20mm cannons.

I'll bet that the size of the cannon install was definately in their minds when they went to design the Typhoons wing. Spec F.18/37 called for an a/c to replace the Hurricane and Spitfire with an armament of 12 Browning mgs (.303"). (The Typhoon and Tempeat Story, Thomas/Shores)

This is contradicted from another book which states that F.18/37 was to have 6 20mm cannon. This book also states that the thick wings were because of the bulky Oerlikon cannons than being studied by the Armamnent Branch. (The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest, Mason)

Alex_Voicu
09-20-2006, 01:20 PM
Added the elevators, ailerons, flaps, cannons, spinner, windscreen and a few other details:

http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon7.jpg

http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon8.jpg

p1ngu666
09-20-2006, 02:45 PM
ooh cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

major_setback
09-24-2006, 10:30 AM
A couple of detailed wartime pictures.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/TyphoonColour01.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/TyphoonColour02.jpg

Alex_Voicu
09-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Very nice images, thanks a lot!
Small update:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon9.jpg

MEGILE
09-27-2006, 11:07 AM
Dude, that is sweet.

p1ngu666
09-27-2006, 12:09 PM
yep, thats sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GBrutus
09-27-2006, 12:50 PM
Fantastic work, Alex. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Philipscdrw
09-27-2006, 02:23 PM
If I were silly enough to post a message consisting of only one smilie, it would be this: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
09-27-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
This appears to be an early 1b, similar to the enclosed 1a but filled with perspex??

Thats actually a later model Mark IB owing to the barrel covers on the cannons (early IB's had the cannon barrels partly exposed) and the rocket armament. I forget if rockets were fitted in 1943...but this picture may be from 1944.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
09-27-2006, 04:45 PM
Alex... Would you like to liase with Gibbage at a point in the not far future about a certain canon fighter Oleg was talking about for BoB and perhaps get some spec's from Oleg about how to make a model fit for BoB?

Thats a no then?

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/cwdt/CWDT_westy/cwdt_westy_09.jpg

Alex_Voicu
09-29-2006, 02:18 AM
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon10.jpg

stathem
09-29-2006, 06:43 AM
It looks fantastic.

I sincerely hope it sees the light of day, but whether it does or doesn't, may I just thank you for sharing the process with us.

stanford-ukded
09-29-2006, 07:04 AM
+1

Looks absolutely beautiful. Fingers crossed it can get used.

Monty_Thrud
09-29-2006, 08:31 AM
Is the CP the same as the Tempests?, i only have a cr4ppy pic of a Typhoon CP.

Wtornado_439th
09-29-2006, 12:23 PM
Typhoon glimmer of hope omg omg omg omg omg omg omg.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif(cries of joy)

Wtornado_439th
09-29-2006, 12:28 PM
On November 17, 1942, Wing-Commander Beaumont had flown a Typhoon on its first night intrusion over Occupied France and, subsequently, the fighter was employed increasingly for offensive duties, strafing enemy airfields, ships and railway transport. The success of the Typhoon in the ground-attack role led to trials with two 250-lb. or two 500-lb. bombs which were carried on underwing racks. This load was later increased to two l,000-lb. bombs, but the Typhoon was not to find its true element until it was adapted to carry airborne rocket projectiles, four under each wing. By D-Day, in June 1944, the R.A.F. had twenty-six operational squadrons of Typhoon IBs. Without its underwing load the Typhoon IB weighed 11,300 Ib.; and with two 500-lb. bombs and the necessary racks, 12,400 Ib. Maximum speed was 398 m.p.h. at 8,500 feet and 417 m.p.h. at 20,500 feet, and an altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 7.6 minutes. Between the prototype and production stages several design changes had been made. These included the re-design of the fin and rudder, the redisposition of the wheel fairings and the introduction of a clear-view fairing behind the cockpit. On the first few Typhoon IAs the solid rear fairing was retained; later a transparent fairing was fitted, but this was abandoned in favor of the first sliding bubble hood to be used by an operational fighter

Wtornado_439th
09-29-2006, 12:30 PM
Tempest was a V1 interceptor

The first squadrons to be equipped with Tempest Vs were Nos. 3 and 486 at Newchurch, Dungeness, the first of these receiving its equipment early in 1944. By May five Tempest Vs had been lost due to engine failure, and this was discovered to be due to an over speeding of the propellers, resulting in an uncontrollable increase in engine revolutions, the failure of the bearings and the collapse of the oil system. In June modified propellers were fitted which solved the problem, and two days after the invasion of the Continent, on June 8, 1944, the Tempests met enemy aircraft in combat for the first time, destroying three Bf 109G fighters without loss to themselves. On June 13 the first V1 flying bombs were launched against England, and the Tempest, being the fastest low-medium altitude fighter in service with the R.A.F., became the mainstay of Britain's fighter defense against the pilotless missiles, destroying 638 of these weapons by the beginning of September. The Tempest V was also employed on the Continent for train-busting and ground-attack duties

VW-IceFire
09-29-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Wtornado_439th:
The Tempest V was also employed on the Continent for train-busting and ground-attack duties.
Yes but so much more. The Tempest was assigned to the role of "tactical reconnaisance" which is more like recon in force or search and destroy.

Tempests from 3, 56, 486, and other squadrons making up the 122 wing on the continent were basically assigned from the fall of 1944 to the end of the war in 1945 to do sweeps of a certain area. They would fly low to medium altitude and hunt for anything of value to the enemy. Trucks, trains, supply depots, conventional aircraft of all types (frequently tangling with the likes of JG2 and J26), and jet fighters and bombers.

Its odd that the Tempest's V-1 role is always played up and yet it was used in greater numbers and in a more significant way from September onwards as a frontline fighter.

The Big Show very plainly illustrates that jobs not done by other wings or deemed too risky for other types of aircraft were assigned to the Tempests because of the combination of performance and firepower that the Tempest uniquely offered against tactical targets.

Just thought I would fill that in (not specifically at you). People often get completely the wrong impression about the Tempest...often assuming its exactly the same as the Typhoon in role and that its a ground attack aircraft and then come back questioning its effectiveness in air to air combat (which it proved in reality to be very adept at).

VW-IceFire
09-29-2006, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon10.jpg
Beautiful work Alex! Simply stunning. I'm curious as to how much you've been able to find on the "car door" style of cockpit which would obviously be closer related to the Battle of Britain timeframe.

Wtornado_439th
09-29-2006, 11:58 PM
There had to be a reason threw
Tempests in latefall to the end of
the war as RECON.And There were
no more fighters to sweep with
the Allied umbrella from late
fall to the end.

They threw the Typhoons into
battle into Normandy,Market garden
the Ardennes, the crossing of the
Rhine(often to take out flak batteries
and ground attack) and right to the
end of the war.

WOLFMondo
09-30-2006, 01:06 AM
The RAF 2nd TAF had tons of fighters. It had most of the Spit squardons within it since they were no longer needed for ADGB. The Tempest had the best low altitude performance characteristics suited to hit and run, armed recon, sweeps and rat catching.

The best book on 2nd TAF operations are the 3 2nd TAF Volumes. It wasn't short on planes, just short on planes it wanted i.e. Mustang I's and Tempest V's.

Alex_Voicu
09-30-2006, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

Beautiful work Alex! Simply stunning. I'm curious as to how much you've been able to find on the "car door" style of cockpit which would obviously be closer related to the Battle of Britain timeframe.

I couldn't find any images of the car door cockpit. I think i can build the external model though, but it would be useless if it's not flyable.

Badsight-
09-30-2006, 03:01 AM
nice to see it over at military-meshes.com :-)

major_setback
09-30-2006, 04:38 AM
I'm sure you've seen some of these as I found them via Google, but just incase you haven't..:

http://www.hawkertempest.se/beamont2.gif

The above is from:

http://www.hawkertempest.se/beamont.htm

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~nurmine/BoBM_Typhoon.jpg

Mark 1B:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/cockpit/Ha...yphoon%20Mk%20IB.jpg (http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/cockpit/Hawker%20Typhoon%20Mk%20IB.jpg)


http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/stoftyphoon3.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christophe.arribat/typhoon-canopy2.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfR7sOx5F9SMAwl2jzbkF;_ylu.../hawker/typhoon1.jpg (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfR7sOx5F9SMAwl2jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=11u5kmhj0/EXP=1159695724/**http%3a//216.219.216.110/hawker/typhoon1.jpg)

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfR5kPB5F9SMACXajzbkF;_ylu...rter2/typhoons-1.htm (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfR5kPB5F9SMACXajzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=1298fjgi7/EXP=1159695844/**http%3a//www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/typhoons-1.htm)

Some pics:
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/historical/typhoonlst_e.asp

http://www.ww2guide.com/typhoon_5.jpg

major_setback
09-30-2006, 04:42 AM
I found a larger one of Beamont:

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/oldstuff/2005/bee/04_Beamont_ww2.jpg


http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/oldstuff/2005/bee/05_Beamont_ww2.jpg

These too:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=13785

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=13788

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=13782

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=13781

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=13780

major_setback
09-30-2006, 05:22 AM
Some more:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=4593

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=4501

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5190

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5192

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5189

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5184

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5182

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/watermark.php?file=5183

VW-IceFire
09-30-2006, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

Beautiful work Alex! Simply stunning. I'm curious as to how much you've been able to find on the "car door" style of cockpit which would obviously be closer related to the Battle of Britain timeframe.

I couldn't find any images of the car door cockpit. I think i can build the external model though, but it would be useless if it's not flyable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've seen one picture of the car door style...I think. I had thought that there is one that is in a RAF museum somewhere.

major_setback
09-30-2006, 09:30 AM
I think there is only one Typhoon left in the world, but there may be parts, cockpit etc...seee the posts above for a Mk1 picture of the cockpit area.

Here's the bubble-top cockpit again:

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/photos/3/5/9/0818953.jpg

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/9/4/0412497.jpg

biggs222
09-30-2006, 10:10 AM
Alex now that your finished could you show us a wire-frame render?... im really interested to see what your mesh looks like.

Alex_Voicu
09-30-2006, 10:45 AM
It's not optimized yet, but here it is:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon_wireframe.jpg

biggs222
09-30-2006, 11:12 AM
thank you very much for the pic.

goshikisen
09-30-2006, 04:24 PM
Coming along nicely... great model Alex. Your Tempest is one of my favorites. As far as inclusion goes, BoB is a possibility and IL2 an impossiblility?

Regards, Goshikisen.

p1ngu666
09-30-2006, 05:22 PM
great work alex http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the last surviving typhoon is at hendon. there is a cockpit floating about somewhere, but im not sure how complete etc it is.

typhoon was a fighter, not a amazing one, but ok.

Wtornado_439th
09-30-2006, 08:12 PM
Very nice Alex http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif I am still choked up.

goshikisen
10-01-2006, 08:23 AM
In other words... 4.08 is out of the question? I'm sure Oleg would give special consideration to another tank-busting brother of the Sturmovik, wouldn't he?

Had to try... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Alex_Voicu
10-03-2006, 08:16 AM
Started detailing the wheel wells:
http://alexvoicu.domeniuweb.ro/typhoon11.jpg

major_setback
10-03-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
Started detailing the wheel wells:


Shame that link to a picture doesn't work (for me anyway).
I can only see the red cross.

Alex_Voicu
10-03-2006, 09:49 AM
Does it work now?

GerritJ9
10-03-2006, 10:05 AM
Nice work indeed, Alex! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
I wish I had those modelling skills- I would have made a Glenn Martin B-10 for PF if I did. Just learning how to use AutoCAD (2D) so it'll be ages before I can manage anything even remotely like thishttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

major_setback
10-03-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
Does it work now?

Yes. Very nice work! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Choctaw111
10-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Truly great work indeed. Are you going to model the gun bays also? I would love to see those!
How many polys are you up to by now?

Gibbage1
10-03-2006, 01:26 PM
Very nice work Alex. Some of those shapes can be a real pain, but it looks like you mastered them well. Whats the target polly count if I may ask? Im still interested in doing a few BoB aircraft if Oleg still plans on letting us add them outself. Like the Whirlwind.

Alex_Voicu
10-03-2006, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Very nice work Alex. Some of those shapes can be a real pain, but it looks like you mastered them well. Whats the target polly count if I may ask? Im still interested in doing a few BoB aircraft if Oleg still plans on letting us add them outself. Like the Whirlwind.

Well, i haven't talked to Oleg yet, so i don't know what's the maximum polycount for BoB. I just studied the development screenshots and i'm trying to keep the same detail level. Models like the Bf 109 E look very detailed and polycount doesn't seem to be an issue. 10000-15000 polys shouldn't be too much, considering that Bob will be released probably next year. If it's too much, there are ways to reduce the polycount...

WOLFMondo
10-04-2006, 03:18 AM
Really great work. I'd love to see the whole range of Typhoons in Storm of War....and all 4 batch versions of the Tempest V eventually.

The current Tempest cockpit is definately on par with the stuff seen in SoW so far anyway.