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Xiolablu3
09-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Just thought I would give you guys a heads up on Bioshock. Its a serious clssic, in the mould of Dues Ex1, System Shock2, Halflife 1/2, Far Cry etc etc.

The Hype is justified, its just amazing. I dont want to spoil it for anyone, so I wont elaborate, but safe to say you MUST buy this game!

ALSO, For people with Pixel Shader 2.0b cards like the Radeon X800 :-

I bought this game without realising that it required Pixel SHader 3,0 officially. (thats at least the 6XXX serious of Nvidia cards and at least the X1XX serious of ATI cards (X800/X850 etc NOT supported officially). I was going to take it back to the shop this week, HOWEVER!! :-

Some cool guy has made an almost perfect Pixel Shader 2.0b patch and the game looks amazing, very close to the full PS3 version. Here is a Link to his page :-

http://www.gamedev.no/projects/BioShockSM2Hack/BioShockSM2Hack.html

Just replace the one tiny shaders file in the zip with the one in the Bioshock folder.


Here is Bioshock on a PS2.0b card Radeon X800, it plays really smooth, graphics look amazing, just turn of shadow maps, everything else leave on full.

http://www.gamedev.no/projects/BioShockSM2Hack/images/after2_v2.jpg

http://www.gamedev.no/projects/BioShockSM2Hack/images/after1_v4.jpg

You MUST play this game!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-11-2007, 04:39 PM
I enjoyed the demo a good bit and it ran smooth as silk on my moderate rig at 1680x1050. My bud is tearing through it on his Xbox360 and loves it. Im going to have to pick it.

S!

Xiolablu3
09-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Good plan mate, the game is a 'must play' game like Dues Ex 1, STALKER and System Shock 2.

However, I cannot help but feel cynical about the fact that Pixel Shader 2.0 (the pixel shader used on a lot of still owned, still powerful radeon cards) was not available in the game, effectively FORCING people to upgrade to a newer card if they wanted to play Bioshock.

YET - within 2 days of Bioshocks release, some programmer guy in his bedroom, has managed to make the game playable on X800 and Shader 2.0b cards, and in a week has it almost perfect. There is even a version of his SM2 patch for RAdeon 9XXX series cards.

Is anyone really going to tell me that Irrational games could not also implement this PS2 shader on the game? Something really stinks here.

You think it could be something to do with the game being sponsered by Nvidia? (Its a 'Way its meant to be played' game...)

WHatever is going on, it seems pretty shady to me..Pixel Shader 2.0b cards (basically older ATI cards which are VERY capable of running the game) have been purposefully not implemented for no good reason... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

SeaFireLIV
09-11-2007, 05:16 PM
I am considering it.....

Korolov1986
09-11-2007, 05:42 PM
I'll stay away until the storm regarding copy protection is solved and blows over.

Maj.Kaos
09-11-2007, 06:06 PM
Demo crashes to reboot at various times, just like every other game I've installed since installing IL2 '46. I think '46 has a jealousy issue.

Demo looks beautiful though, and am eager to see it through to end.

Monterey13
09-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Demo has frozen twice so far. Had to restart once.

Nice graphics, game looks great, but not my cup of tea.

Banger2004
09-12-2007, 06:06 AM
Been playing the full game for several days now, no problems whatsoever. I agree with Xiolablu, it is a very good game. Sound and graphics are spot on.

Bewolf
09-12-2007, 06:39 AM
Have it at home already. Unluckily it requires some internet activation, and my crappy new Vista OS (which i bought to play this game on Directx 10) hhas a big problem connecting to mmy provider.

Even if it manges, it only with with 28,8 k/bit.

I can't even activate Vista over the internet.


Bummer.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-12-2007, 06:51 AM
On a fairly fast rig with full PS3 support (7900GT sli) it looks amazing...simply amazing.


TB

WOLFMondo
09-12-2007, 02:01 PM
Got it for the 360. Fun and great looking but shallow game. The game didn't live up to the hype.

Lucius_Esox
09-12-2007, 05:07 PM
Sadly I agree with you Mondo. I bought it and found myself playing it a lot,, then my interest just evaporated. It is pretty different but I don't think it is as good as Deus Ex or the original HL.

I think the gfx are a matter of taste. I'm playing it on a 1950 pro, everything maxed at 1280x960, 2xaa, 4xaf. Hmm, again, for me something about the game just doesn't do it. But there are many like Xiolablu who just love it,, might be me then!.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
09-12-2007, 11:22 PM
I disagree - I didnt pay any atention to the hype for the game, so it came as a totaal surprise.

IMO its by far the best game released this year so far.

SO imaginative, great atmos.

Maybe the fact that I didnt listen any hype has something to do with me enjoying it more than others?

FritzGryphon
09-12-2007, 11:33 PM
If you're playing it 6 months from now, it's a good game.

If not, it's just another Quake, Half-Life, FEAR, etc.

$50 is too much for disposable entertainment. If I wanted a movie, I'd go to the theatre.

With the millions that are spent on mass market games nowadays, the developers could make groundbreaking and innovative games with lots of replay value.

Instead, it's usually a matter of licensing an existing engine and making some content for a game to be played once through. Planned obsolescence so you'll buy their next title.

Thank god for the sim genre! It's the only genre where things change from one title to the next.

zardozid
09-13-2007, 01:09 AM
I tried the "demo" and my first impression was WOW! I was worried (at first) that my "rig" might not be powerful enough to run the game but my fears where allayed when the opening "crash scenario" booted up and I was able to paddle away from the burning wreck...

But STILL the "demo" would crash on me 50% of the time (even after downloading the Nvidia driver-"fix")...Has anyone out their had that problem???

To this day I compare "scary" FPS to one of my first FPS experience's "Castle Wolfinstein" (the one with the zombies in it). I would play late at night and get all "creeped out" by the sound effects of the zombies sneaking up behind me in the dark. I remember having a wonderful time wondering around that castle exploring all the hidden chambers...This game "seem's" to have a really similar "feel" to it, but how it would compare to my "Castle Wolfenstein" experience I can't say...For one reason I have not been able to get past how good it looks (and the thrill of having it, sort of, run on my computer). I would like to play this game long enough to have the "gee-wiz" factor ware off, but $50 is a little TOO much to spend on a game that crashes on me half the time...



http://web3dnews.com/images/stories/wolf_800x600.jpg

Xiolablu3
09-13-2007, 08:51 AM
Wierd - it sounds like the game runs better on a unsupported X800 series card with the homemade SM2.0 patch than on supported cards!

I have not had one crash....

It actually cost me 29.99 which with the dollars terrible exchange rate is actually $60! That is the usual price for a PC game in the UK, and much cheaper than new release console games which are 39 ($78) and even 49 ($98) sometimes!

MEGILE
09-13-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Got it for the 360. Fun and great looking but shallow game.

That is console games in a nutshell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Freelancer-1
09-13-2007, 10:08 AM
I tried the demo.

Looks good and plays well.

But what kills it for me, and this seems to be the trend since NWN2 came out is the cut scenes that you have to sit through with no option to skip.

But the deal breaker is the load times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I don't know if it's Steam or what but even with a P4 3Ghz and 2 gigs ram, I can go make a cup of coffee waiting for the loads between areas to finish.

Totally ruins the mood.

WOLFMondo
09-13-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Got it for the 360. Fun and great looking but shallow game.

That is console games in a nutshell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm holding out for Assassins Creed and a few other 360 titles later this year but my opinion is slowly coming to that conclusion.

roybaty
09-13-2007, 10:39 AM
The game is gorgeous, eerie, and actually had me jumping now and again. The last FPS I played off line was FEAR and this is up there.

As for crashing I had to disable advanced shaders http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, but after that no real issues.

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2007, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
If you're playing it 6 months from now, it's a good game.



This is how I measure most of my games quality. In fact I`m not that stringent as 3 months at 30 a game is worth it for me, and not 3 months plus a fee to play the game as some still try. It has to be 30 all in.

MTW2, IL2, BObwov, Oblivion (heavily modded) and funnily enough the original Unreal tournament http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif passed this test. Though with UT it was a few years ago.

Games like the standard FPS such as Fear, I wait until they`re at least half price before buying them and that`s when they`re usually worth the cash (and have been patched up to work flawlessly). Games such as half-Life2 are good, but not worth the noose around the neck with Steam - it`s just not that good (that`s why I`ve not touched the sequel). Of course, now I can`t get rid of the game and have to keep it forever- or pay a fee.

Red Orchestra passed the 3 month test, but caught me out early on with the Steam trick, but it won`t happen again. I lost the internet for 6 months once and even though I had already verified RO over the net it wouldn`t let me play it offline which was a pain. Still I do still play RO now I`m back online so I live with it.

zardozid
09-13-2007, 01:18 PM
The game is gorgeous, eerie, and actually had me jumping now and again. The last FPS I played off line was FEAR and this is up there.

As for crashing I had to disable advanced shaders Frown, but after that no real issues.


Mmm....Thanks, next time a little room opens up on my hard drive I might try downloading the demo again. I will give your "advanced shader trick" a try...(I wouldn't mind exploring a little more of that "under sea paradise").

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
09-13-2007, 03:53 PM
Seriously its worth it Zarzoid.

The combat feels a bit clunky at first, but you soon get used to it.

I find that playing the game in short bursts is not good, but the longer you play in a session, the more you get sucked in to the atmosphere and great gameplay.

I seriously find it strange that people are not enjoying it, I love all the different options, from the plasmids, hacking, big daddys, cool weapons and addons, I love the different ammo, anti personel rounds really make a big difference to normal rounds for instance.

Hacking turrets to fight for you, hacking the robots so you have a guardian.

Hypnotising the big daddies to protect you. I once had an 'army' of 3 security bots and a big daddy as my protection http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Headshots really work well, the photograpohy and research feature works really well.

The plasmids and all the different skills you can get are awesome.

I am sure I have missed loads out, but these are just a few of the reasons I am loving the game. SO much more than a boring corridor shooter.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-13-2007, 04:03 PM
For those considering buying this game you may want to look into googling the activation/rootkit issues thsi game has been having. You are only allowed to install on one machine at a time and can only reinstall on the same machine TWICE! After that you must purchase a new copy! The maker is trying to resolve some of these issues but still make public statements like "every member of the family should have to purchase thier own copy", unbeleivable.

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2007, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
For those considering buying this game you may want to look into googling the activation/rootkit issues thsi game has been having. You are only allowed to install on one machine at a time and can only reinstall on the same machine TWICE! After that you must purchase a new copy! The maker is trying to resolve some of these issues but still make public statements like "every member of the family should have to purchase thier own copy", unbeleivable.

Now i`m glad I waited. Stuff like that guarantees I will not purchase the game, no matter how wonderful it apparently is. there`s a limit to how much I want a game.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-13-2007, 04:14 PM
Thats my feeling about it, I will wait till someone hacks it, then buy a copy (yes, I buy my games), and run the cracked version. Everyone says the game is one of the best to come along in a while, but the DRM stuff turns me off.

Viper2005_
09-13-2007, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
For those considering buying this game you may want to look into googling the activation/rootkit issues thsi game has been having. You are only allowed to install on one machine at a time and can only reinstall on the same machine TWICE! After that you must purchase a new copy! The maker is trying to resolve some of these issues but still make public statements like "every member of the family should have to purchase thier own copy", unbeleivable.

Now i`m glad I waited. Stuff like that guarantees I will not purchase the game, no matter how wonderful it apparently is. there`s a limit to how much I want a game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

polak5
09-13-2007, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Demo has frozen twice so far. Had to restart once.

Nice graphics, game looks great, but not my cup of tea.

Same here, tried it at my friends but was all drunk and it was noisy, guess I didint give it a fair chance. The graphics are really cool though. Wish I could have gotten into it, might go try it tonight.

Dance
09-13-2007, 06:09 PM
'Tiz a silly game, broken up with the wrong period music, setting is in an art-deco format, but set in the late 50's. The visuals are nice, gameplay is repetative, but I like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lurch1962
09-13-2007, 06:43 PM
I'm not sure what this "Steam" thing is, but it reminds me of a quite irksome situation...

I picked up a copy of Red Orchestra at WalMart for CHEAP after hearing snippets about how good it was on this forum (already have COD2). Didn't read the fine print on the box (at my age, I need reading glasses for that wee stuff!). Got home and read through the manual--which I always do before installation.

Eeeeek! I need to register online, but am not connected at home (I do this kinda' stuff at work, after hours.) So I have an unused copy of RO sitting on a shelf. Aaaarrrgh! Why do they do this to us off-liners?

--Lurch

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2007, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Dance:
'Tiz a silly game, broken up with the wrong period music, setting is in an art-deco format, but set in the late 50's. The visuals are nice, gameplay is repetative, but I like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's the wrong period music and look for New York City, 1959. But you're not in NYC. You're on the bottom of the sea. Rapture is one man's general vision of his own society

You have missed about half of the story in the game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Anyway, turn on a radio station right now- do you hear music from 1987? Even on 'new' muic stations that are 'alternative', I hear 15-20 year old songs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

SeaFireLIV
09-14-2007, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Lurch1962:
I'm not sure what this "Steam" thing is, but it reminds me of a quite irksome situation...

I picked up a copy of Red Orchestra at WalMart for CHEAP after hearing snippets about how good it was on this forum (already have COD2). Didn't read the fine print on the box (at my age, I need reading glasses for that wee stuff!). Got home and read through the manual--which I always do before installation.

Eeeeek! I need to register online, but am not connected at home (I do this kinda' stuff at work, after hours.) So I have an unused copy of RO sitting on a shelf. Aaaarrrgh! Why do they do this to us off-liners?

--Lurch

Because basically, they don`t care for people who actually don`t have the net at home. They know not every has the net, not everyone wants it or has the facility connection or earns enough money, but they don`t care, reckoning that there are enough who are connected to make it worthwhile forgetting those who aren`t.

It`s this kind of blinkered greed of programmers that I am always against. I know they need cash, I know they have to prevent piracy, but there are other, better ways than this.

carts
09-14-2007, 01:50 PM
Bioshocks forums are full of wailing and gnashing of teeth,esp re Securerom and the"how many installs" issue,2K have promised a revoke command,so you can install up to 5 times.
My proplem is the Nvidia beta drivers they recommend really screw up my 1946 install! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
And i can only play it with shaders off,or it crashes all the time......Beta testers anyone?

carguy_
09-14-2007, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
If you're playing it 6 months from now, it's a good game.

What do you call a game that`s on hard drive for 8 years? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
If you're playing it 6 months from now, it's a good game.

What do you call a game that`s on hard drive for 8 years? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I call it

Grand Prix Legends

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/jacques-breuer20bw.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/lotussc2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/lotus_c49.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/lotus_a49.jpg

carguy_
09-14-2007, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:

I call it

Grand Prix Legends


Huh?You mean the "!@#$#! the day I get through the 2nd corner flawlessly is the day when hell freezes"?

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2007, 07:17 AM
If there's no GPL in Hell, I can't see the point of going there