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Wildnoob
06-05-2008, 11:55 AM
it's just my curiosity, but it's a subject I would like to know.

on the sim all airman where oxygen masks up to 3000 meters. wich it's logic, as to breathe above this altitude became virtually impossible in a aircraft.

we all know this, but I don't see this in many movies and even in real pílot's footage. in fact, I found wat I can say that are contradictions.

in all footage I see of Japanese pilot's, for example, they don't where oxygen masks.

the only footage of Japanese pilot's whearing masks I found is computer generated animation :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqulS54IURI&feature=related

but, even like that I found something strange. in a determined part, by wat I understand, the pilot spoted a formation of SBD's at 5000 meters. he and his squadron where at almost at same altitude, and he was not whearing his mask.

at 5000 meters using of oxygen mask was already necessary, in fact, he was in almost the double altitude necessary to starting to where it - 3000 meters. by wat I've read it's 3000 meters. please correct me if I'm wrong.

anyway, they show the pilot's whearing masks, wich I don't know if was in fact comm or not.

but, by other sources, even in real footage, I don't see the pilot's with it's masks.

tora, tora, tora, for example. a magnific movie, but don't show the pilot's with masks. the B5N's armed with bombs had make their fligths on the attack at 3000 meters. the zeros designed to escort then probably fligth at 4000/4500 meters (it's just my deduction).

I see just the attack part of this movie on Youtube. the B5N's armed with bombs don't have their crews using masks too. figther escort of then was not showed.

other way, on the animation I posted above, the TBD crews can be see with it's masks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w&mode=related&search=

it's a spoiler, not the entire video, it's the Hayabusa (KI-43) sound.

the pilot's in fligth don't where masks too.

I are a bite confuse with the wearing os mask or not by pilot's in early WWII. logic that pilot's flying in high altitudes whear their masks. I'm in doubth more at pacific theater at medium altitude.

oh, a movie wich show pilot's whearing masks is Battle of Britain.

THC dogfigth series also show the pilot's with their masks. I remember in the Flying Tigers episode, wich the mask of a Tomahawk pilot can be clearly see against the sun.

and, in the middle of all this we have IL2. the only aircraft wich I don't see the pilot whearing mask it's the Hurricane. logic must be some error.

if someone could explain this to me, just in few words, I would be glad.

JG51_Rudel
06-05-2008, 12:52 PM
Maybe the Japaneses aircraft had pressurized cockpits.

Wildnoob
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by JG51_Rudel:
Maybe the Japaneses aircraft had pressurized cockpits.

here's wat I found in the article about pressurizade cabin in Wikipedia :

"Prior to World War II the Boeing 307 Stratoliner had a pressurized cabin, though only ten such aircraft were produced. While the piston fighters of World War II often flew at very high altitudes, they were not pressurized; instead pilots used oxygen. However, in a larger bomber where crew moved about the cabin, this was considerably less practical. Therefore, the first bomber with cabin pressurization (though restricted to crew areas), was the B-29 Superfortress. The cabin pressure control system was designed for the B-29 by Garrett AiResearch Manufacturing Company, drawing in part on licensing of patents held by Boeing for the Stratoliner. Post-war piston airliners such as the Lockheed Constellation expanded the technology to civilian service, and as jet airliners were always designed for high-altitude operation, every jetliner features the technology.

Prior to World War II the Boeing 307 Stratoliner had a pressurized cabin, though only ten such aircraft were produced. While the piston fighters of World War II often flew at very high altitudes, they were not pressurized; instead pilots used oxygen. However, in a larger bomber where crew moved about the cabin, this was considerably less practical. Therefore, the first bomber with cabin pressurization (though restricted to crew areas), was the B-29 Superfortress. The cabin pressure control system was designed for the B-29 by Garrett AiResearch Manufacturing Company, drawing in part on licensing of patents held by Boeing for the Stratoliner.[4] Post-war piston airliners such as the Lockheed Constellation expanded the technology to civilian service, and as jet airliners were always designed for high-altitude operation, every jetliner features the technology.

Most turboprop aircraft also feature cabin pressurization due to their medium to high altitude operation. A very few piston-engined small private planes also do so; most do not routinely fly high enough to justify such a system."

can be, I can't say it could not. the BF-109 G-1 in fact have a pressurizade cockpit.

but, about Japanese aircraft, especially early models, I think it not. but, it's just a deduction from my part.

Zeus-cat
06-05-2008, 07:00 PM
You almost never see actors in movies or television shows wearing masks as they want people to see their faces. If you watch old movies or TV shows you do see them wearing msks - Twelve O'Clock High comes to mind.

zardozid
06-06-2008, 12:11 AM
My Dad told me story's about when he was a young man in Japan during the war, and he once told me that you could always tell a bomber pilot because he acted a little "dopey"...he says that bomber pilots flew without air and would have to fly in rotations (a few days flying and a few days off) because they got "slow" from all the high altitude flying without air.

My Dad is getting kind of old, but he's still pretty sharp so their must be some truth in what he says (even though it was a long time ago).

Hope this helps...

Skoshi Tiger
06-06-2008, 12:36 AM
Over here in Australia, we lost an F/A-18 and pilot a few years back. Apparently the pilot removed his mask on the way back to base after an exercise and fell unconcious. The plane kept on flying until it ran out of fuel (1000km or so)and then crashed in the bush.

Friendly_flyer
06-06-2008, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
You almost never see actors in movies or television shows wearing masks

I guess it's a bit like they never see them go to the loo either, though they certainly did back then too.

Wildnoob
06-06-2008, 07:56 AM
in the documentary Menphis Belle, wich use real footage, the narrator tell that if a person stay one minute without oxygen at 25,000 fet (it's 7500 meters if I'm not wrong). it gonna fell unconscious in one minute. and gonna be dead in 20 minutes.

I was seeing the zero cockpit on the aircraft guied, and it have the oxygen flow and amount indicators. they where on the left side below. damm, I are not in my PC and can't check the instruments indicator number.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Kate_B5N1_Akagi_dummy_torpedo.jpg

here we can see a B5N pilot whearing something in it's face. I can't say if was a rag or a oxygen mask.

Wildnoob
06-06-2008, 08:12 AM
it's probably a rag. I see a picture of Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and he was whearing something very similary on it's face.

p51srule
06-06-2008, 08:26 AM
Isnt the bf-109K suppost to have a preesurized cockpit?

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