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LeadSpitter_
03-10-2005, 10:54 PM
Please allow refly only when a pilots feet are on the ground or pilot is dead/black screen.

Im so sick of people abusing the refly feature online in flight when at a disadvantage, in warclouds greatergreen and the online wars. For example with 1 death kick many people use refly when at a disadvantage will simply bail refly so fast and disapear when bullets are inches away from their aircraft which record stats to have no deaths.

I understand maybe it is to late for FB AEP PF but still hope you consider this if you plane on making the russian addons and definatly for BOB.

LeadSpitter_
03-10-2005, 10:54 PM
Please allow refly only when a pilots feet are on the ground or pilot is dead/black screen.

Im so sick of people abusing the refly feature online in flight when at a disadvantage, in warclouds greatergreen and the online wars. For example with 1 death kick many people use refly when at a disadvantage will simply bail refly so fast and disapear when bullets are inches away from their aircraft which record stats to have no deaths.

I understand maybe it is to late for FB AEP PF but still hope you consider this if you plane on making the russian addons and definatly for BOB.

RusskiyeVityazi
03-10-2005, 11:03 PM
I thought you didn't care about stats? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Galaboo
03-10-2005, 11:13 PM
He doesn't, read what he wrote, he's referring to the public...

Codex1971
03-10-2005, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Im so sick of people abusing the refly feature online in flight when at a disadvantage... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFL...I had witnessed it for the first time today when one of the AFJ guys did it on War Clouds...I couldn't believe it!

JG54_Arnie
03-11-2005, 01:58 AM
Make sure you surprise them and kick the cr@p out of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

pourshot
03-11-2005, 04:34 AM
This was happening to me on greatergreen the other nite. I only got into 2 dogfights both players bailed/disconnected when it looked like it was going bad, then I left the server very pissed.

Makkusu_244
03-11-2005, 06:20 AM
I'll Second that motion Lead.

OLEG PLEASE FIX.

Man if I had a dollar for everytime that happened to me in the Bellum War campaign, I'd have enough money to buy a second copy of PF.

It was getting really bad towards the end of the campaign.

Thats why I really try to adhere to JG54_Arnies prescribed technique above. I no longer let em be if there severely tore up. I pump em full of lead till there's nothing left.

=S= All

=244=_Makkusu

BBB_Hyperion
03-11-2005, 06:40 AM
Simple thing with the Stats and Deatkick severs the fun ends when people take it too serious.

Solution would be that the plane doesnt magicaly disappear and you can add some bullets to it or the pilot hangs on his chute for a limited time. In both cases the other guy would say that he couldnt do much after he bailed and you get some free points without an archivement. Dont know if that is better at all.

MD_Widow-Maker
03-11-2005, 09:33 AM
How I Cure this problem is simple.

The mission maker or server can simply go to HOME BASES and check the NO PARACHUTES box.

What this does is
(1) nobody can eject , the plane has to crash or pilot killed before Refly.
(2) a player that Disconnects instead of getting Killed the server Just KICKS when he rejoins.

Yes they say they lost there connection, bad Lag etc. But if you don't intend to Fight Fair and with Honor I don't want to be on the same server anyhow.

I Kill and get Killed and Both can be fun (depending on how it happens). Respect the skill or luck that took you out. If you have such a (TINY Fragile EGO) I suggest you play Solitare its a good game and with a little cheating you always win. But stay away from playing a game of Honorable Cunning.

Stiglr
03-11-2005, 10:40 AM
This is even MORE PATHETIC than the "screen grab" warp cheat.

If you have to win *that bad*, why bother???

crazyivan1970
03-11-2005, 11:35 AM
Probably main reason i stay off DF servers lately, esp if they have stats running. Do we need this option... i guess.

karost
03-11-2005, 01:30 PM
This kind of people just 0.5 % in the community, and he lost his respect event himself

BBB_Hyperion and Stiglr point out clear and I agree, so don€t take to serious just give his name and track file to admin, if he still keep do like this again and again.... then it belongs to host€s admin job. GG and WC admins don't like this people too.

This is not a popular behavior, shame on him and forgives him for his fool

in BOB should have these protection options in the list ....

Von_Rat
03-11-2005, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Please allow refly only when a pilots feet are on the ground or pilot is dead/black screen.

Im so sick of people abusing the refly feature online in flight when at a disadvantage, in warclouds greatergreen and the online wars. For example with 1 death kick many people use refly when at a disadvantage will simply bail refly so fast and disapear when bullets are inches away from their aircraft which record stats to have no deaths.

I understand maybe it is to late for FB AEP PF but still hope you consider this if you plane on making the russian addons and definatly for BOB. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK im confused,, i understand that if people bail out before they're even shotup and hit refly, that could be upsetting.

does anybody ever bail without even getting 1 hit on em, i haven't seen it. the way i understand it, if you hit em only once and they bail, you get the kill, at least in my experiance. ive hit guys who bailed and hit refly right away, i still got points.

if they're shot up and then bail, whats the problem. you get the kill, and if they're over friendly territory they don't get a death.

i could be wrong, but it sounds like you want people to stay in crippled plane just so you can kill them. in real life they'd bail.

as far as hitting refly to fast, i guess there should be a deley, but id rather not wait five mins to drift down to ground, hell the deathkick is only 3 min, it'd be better to die.lol.
i don't even wanna mention chute shooters.

Codex1971
03-11-2005, 03:38 PM
Hey Von,

The issue is that some pilots, and I have witnessed this personally, will bail and hit refly even if they suspect they're not going to win the engagement. You might not even fire a single round at them but the chicken will bail and hit refly to avoid the 3 min death kick if they suspect they€re not going to win the fight, and you can still see their name in the server list so they haven't been disconnected by lag or what have you. It's pathetic really.

On some servers there is a penalty in place where either side can loose one plane from its pool if a pilot bails from an undamaged plane which is one way to combat it I suppose.

Galaboo
03-11-2005, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MD_Widow-Maker:
How I Cure this problem is simple.

The mission maker or server can simply go to HOME BASES and check the NO PARACHUTES box.

What this does is
(1) nobody can eject , the plane has to crash or pilot killed before Refly.
(2) a player that Disconnects instead of getting Killed the server Just KICKS when he rejoins. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's pretty bad idea...

I would have some thing like this:

(1)When some one clicks on refly a virus is installed on their computer and your wallpaper turns into undeleteable horse porn.
(2) If you disconnect then the person who was shooting you gets a 1000 points (For you stat *****s).

Codex1971
03-11-2005, 04:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Recon_609IAP
03-11-2005, 05:05 PM
fly with honorable people.

The problem I've had, unfortunately, seems to be in the dedicated servers. Go figure, we beg for it, then we have it - then people abuse it.

My best times are hosting with some friends flying that I trust that fly with me every day.

Haven't hosted in awhile, mostly because of life, but when I did, the days are gone with 10-12 good pilots would join up. But those days are gone, we have FDDaemon servers with 30-40 people flying now and the sense of community is all but gone, instead I see more threads of 'who is the greatest pilot at gg? etc... with stats and kills and 'I smoked you' type attitude.

I'm glad I have FS to fly in, I trust our group, they are all honorable pilots - small group, but a good one. Makes you proud to fly with people who are respected and don't pull that garbage, I'm glad some of this exists, otherwise the time I spend, which has greatly reduced, would be all but gone.

Lead, perhaps it's that moving on point for you, perhaps you should look into flying with some of the guys in FS? You'll find the guys that fly in FS and the squads associated take honor to the level that you might be interested in?

Good luck!

heywooood
03-11-2005, 09:58 PM
funny how it is when there is no accountability...there is no character.
These forums can be a perfect example of that.

Only when some people are among friends will they do the right thing...but when it is an annonymous thing?....fogedaboudit.

Fly with friends or expect to see some cr^ptacular behavior...fact.

Henkie_
03-12-2005, 01:27 AM
LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Yes I saw it on Warclouds also. There was a P38 staying close to my spitfire. Then I saw cons and say on the chat: 2 badguys 10 oclock hi, and now 7 oclock hi.

Then after some seconds I saw the P38 bail out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

It was very strange.

He didn't tried to fight, he didn't shot one bullit, he just jumps out.

karost
03-12-2005, 07:00 AM
Henkie_ , that is a big funny http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

seem 1DK in WC is work ...! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LeadSpitter_
03-12-2005, 03:13 PM
I dont care about stats at all, but i hate that i see so many people bailing when at a slight disadvantage as soon as the pilots jumps and feet are by canopy. They hit esc refly immediately, before the pilot bailing is even 3m away from the plane and no parachute even deployed and simply disapear, They dont get booted they simply hit esc refly.



Also we need externals options for coops that after the pilot is dead or bailed people can watch the fight.

Almost every single coop has externals and people use them to check six or find enemies position.

ECV56_Rolf
03-12-2005, 03:56 PM
Just ask the hosts to change the penalty to 3 Bail outs or 3 Deaths.

If it is not possible from dedicated server, I don´t believe it to be so much work to do it from the outside.

If stats are the cause, bring the same penalties for bailing, dying, or disconnecting.

We happen to use dedicated server for testing, and not being able to do a quick refly will be annoying in most cases.

Tvrdi
03-12-2005, 04:08 PM
bigger community is the bigger % of idiots implemented into the game..hopefully most of us are not such idiots....but I have an idea...if u notice such refly jerk kill him even if he is on ur side....keep killing him until he goes mad... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Chivas
03-12-2005, 04:47 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your shooter gets the kill as soon as you bail out. What I have seen are players disconnecting from the game while being shot down to avoid a death and kill for their opponant, then reentering the game right away.

GT182
03-13-2005, 01:56 PM
I don't fly in DF rooms, but isn't there away to permanently kick someone that does this?

Or if you remember who it is, kick them when they rejoin. The Server Host would have that control I'd think. Or better yet, embarass the living h*ll out of em. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DarthBane_
03-14-2005, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Please allow refly only when a pilots feet are on the ground or pilot is dead/black screen.

Im so sick of people abusing the refly feature online in flight when at a disadvantage, in warclouds greatergreen and the online wars. For example with 1 death kick many people use refly when at a disadvantage will simply bail refly so fast and disapear when bullets are inches away from their aircraft which record stats to have no deaths.

I understand maybe it is to late for FB AEP PF but still hope you consider this if you plane on making the russian addons and definatly for BOB. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One thing makes me more sick: guys who live on online servers with saliva droping out of their mouths for statistics. That thing keeps many normal people from playing there, luckily there are coops wich are great fun and servers without statistics, where people will do anything to protect bombers or each other. Nobody thinks about hitting bail and refly there. But stats are important to you right? Hurts not to be on the list among best flyers listed some time a go? That saliva leaves bad impression. There are other things besides statistic in this game.

bolillo_loco
03-14-2005, 05:12 PM
I quit playing in warclouds for many reasons. One of them is the general attitude of players in war clouds. an uptight bunch if you ask me that keep tossing around words like honor. This is a video game meant for amusement, to have fun, not to be turned into some uptight 50 cazillion rules, be shunned, your a noob if you do this, your that name calling match.

when playing in war clouds and reading what people type to each other both in game and at forums, I am reminded of being at a little league game. kids are playing and enjoying the game, but are quickly reminded by their angry uptight fathers that they must win win win and they arent playing right, pull up your boot straps and have some honor, take some pride in yourself.

FatBoyHK
03-16-2005, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Codex1971:

ROFL...I had witnessed it for the first time today when one of the AFJ guys did it on War Clouds...I couldn't believe it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who did that? Pls report the incident to mastiff or mantis.

WOLFMondo
03-16-2005, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
OK im confused,, i understand that if people bail out before they're even shotup and hit refly, that could be upsetting.

does anybody ever bail without even getting 1 hit on em, i haven't seen it. the way i understand it, if you hit em only once and they bail, you get the kill, at least in my experiance. ive hit guys who bailed and hit refly right away, i still got points.

if they're shot up and then bail, whats the problem. you get the kill, and if they're over friendly territory they don't get a death.

i could be wrong, but it sounds like you want people to stay in crippled plane just so you can kill them. in real life they'd bail.

as far as hitting refly to fast, i guess there should be a deley, but id rather not wait five mins to drift down to ground, hell the deathkick is only 3 min, it'd be better to die.lol.
i don't even wanna mention chute shooters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed there, If I get controls shot out to the point I no longer can steer the plane in level flight or the plane is so badly shot up its pointless continueing I bail out, theres no point trying to land a plane thats going to almost guarenteed to blow up on landing. I do what a real pilot did...get the hell out of that plane and fight another day.

Besides, there is no refly option when your plane is in the air, you still have to bail out before you get that option and you still get the kill for that plane. The people who disconnect are a problem, the people who bail at the slightest scratch on there plane are loosing planes and sometimes pilots for there team.

One thing to point out though is do you really know how much that few rounds of damage has done to your opponents plane? Just a few rounds can take out all your controls and ruin the engine and it might not be obvious to the person shooting how much damage they've actually done to there opponent.

Henkie_
03-16-2005, 11:24 PM
I think you don't understand it.

I saw it myself. On warclouds only. There was a P38 who was a bit afraid to fly alone I think. I shot down a 109 and the P38 saw me and he stick to my tail. I continue the flight to the blue side with the P38 stick to me like glue.

During that time there was no attacking no shooting no chasing no fighting. Just general flight.

Then I saw some dots at higher altitude that were appeard behind us, the P38 and me in the spitfire. I called the cons over the chat and direct after I saw the P38 guy bailed out. Then on the scorepage I saw him refly, again in a P38.

It's stupid gameplay like that, and I will never do that. But I can understand why that player did it. It's because he was afraid to get kicked if he died. Much more easy to bail out and refly then to wait again some minutes before to reconnect.

It is just the result of the deathkick. For me deathkick is stupid also, but the server is the boss. Only this is not Olegs problem to solve.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-17-2005, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Probably main reason i stay off DF servers lately, esp if they have stats running. Do we need this option... i guess. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ashame you feel that way Ivan because you are missing out on one of the most enjoyable servers around...Zeke_vs_Wildcat. Try it out and jump on TS. I dont think you will be dissapointed.