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RS.Wedge
02-19-2006, 05:59 PM
I just saw a documentary on the Military Channel about the P-47. This plane was able to take off from CVs and played a role in fighting the Japanese. Is there a PF campaign for the Thunderbolt?

Interesting facts that I learned:
1. The P-47 was very heavy and was a great diving plane. It could out dive any plane in the WWII theater.

2. Pilots did not dogfight in the P-47. "Boom and Zoom" was the best strategy to stay alive.

3. Friendly fire was a problem because the plane was mistaken for the FW-190. The allies put white stripes around the engine and the fuselage to avoid any clarification problems.

4. Very durable aircraft - can take a lot of damage. Sometimes the enemy would run out of ammo trying to take down a P-47.

5. The modern day A-10 Warthog is a direct "relative" to the P-47.

Wild.Bill.Kelso
02-19-2006, 06:06 PM
I've been playing the Hells Hawks campaign flying the P47. So far it's just a great campaign, but in europe.

Professor_06
02-21-2006, 01:43 AM
The P47-N was built for the PTO.... we dont have the P47-N. The P47 late would work as a replacement but no missions for it. Heck, their aren't any good F6F missions for that matter. go figure.

tonyt1960
02-21-2006, 02:12 AM
http://www.p47pilots.com/

If anyone lives on Long Island. Take a trip to the 56th Fighter Group Restaurant and lounge at Republic Airport in Farmingdale. Its like walking back into 1943 or 44. Lotsa fun...
http://www.republicairport.net/pages/services/restaurants.html


http://www.web-birds.com/8th/56/56th.htm

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 02:12 AM
it has also be said that the IFF proplem with the Fw190 didnt exist in the pacific http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
the sole Fw190A5 the japanese had, didnt saw combat sevice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the P47 was a very important plane for the 5.Airforce. As they arrived atthe theater thier proplem was their range. the 5.AF led build droptanks in Australia to slove this proplem.. they fought the long way from eastern NewGuinea to the Phillipines !
at a short time the P-47 was the most numerous fighter of the 5. AF ! they couldnt get enough P-38 - Gen Kenneys favorite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-21-2006, 02:46 AM
I doubt, too, the P47 was taken for a FW190 in the Pacific war.

But it's true for Europe. The white lines on the rudder and elevators on olive and the black on metall P47s were introduced to be able to distinguish P47s from Fw190s. Additionally there was a white or black stripe around the engine cowling.

IIRC I read a pilot statement saying these were called "Europe-Stripes", because they were only used in Europe?

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 03:06 AM
318FG on its way to Saipan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.web-birds.com/7th/318/P-47D%20318th%20FG%201944.jpg

Capt.LoneRanger
02-21-2006, 03:20 AM
Actually this is one of 2 shots I found with this markings. No P47N with those kind of stripes. Maybe these were transfered planes from the Europe theater or at least planned to be transfered there?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

ElAurens
02-21-2006, 05:37 AM
P47s operated extensively in New Guinea.

The leading P47 Ace in that theatre was shot down by a Ki43. The USAF Museum recovered the vertical stabilizer of that crashed aircraft from the jungle, and it is now on display next to the Museum's P47D-15 razorback which is now painted to match the downed aircraft.

DoBravery
02-21-2006, 07:22 AM
Since it relates. . . (Europe)
From the P-47 Pilots Association

P-47 Reigns Supreme over P-51 Mustang
Don Whinnem B-17 Escort Mission
352nd FG ETO -

We were escorting B-17s. I was flying Al Marshall's wing. We got into a mixup and got separated from the Group. I looked over my left shoulder and saw something coming in. I called , 'Al, there's a bandit coming in at 7 o'clock high'.

We did a scissors. Al broke left, I broke right and when I completed my circle it looked like Al was being shot up by an ME109 I put the throttle to the firewall, poured on the water injection and got on his tail. When I got within 200 yards I started firing and got strikes all over the plane. But as soon as he was hit he broke up sharply, and only then did I see the square wingtips and square tail. It was a P-51!

I called our Group Commander, Col. Joe Mason, a real tiger, and said 'Sir,there are some P-51s in the area'. He came back, real caustic, 'The hell they are. They're 109s. Shoot the bastards down'. 'But sir, one of them is a P-51 and I just shot it up pretty good'. Silence.

Well, I located the P-51 again, and by this time he knew we were 47s, so I pulled up alongside to take a look. I didn't know it was Glenn Eagleston, but he looked like he was hurting. There was nothing I could do, so I left him and joined our formation.

I got part of the story later that day and the rest of it 3 months later. It went all the way up to the 8th Fighter Command Hqs......A p-47 had shot up a P-51. Col Mason had to go up there and explain it to the brass. But our story held up. The P-51 was 150 miles off copurse, and his camera film showed him shooting at a P-47.

The trouble was that an FW190 and a P-47 have the same silhouette. You have to see the planview to see the elliptical wings.

Three months later I crash landed near a 9th AF base, and was taken to their hospital with a banged up nose and forehead. Eagleton was stationed there and they knew my name from the flap at Hqs, so he looked me up and we drank beer at the club and flew the mission all over again.

Eagleton swore he was shooting at a FW190, and even my camera film looked like I was shooting at a 109 to our Intelligence Officer. Glenn said the only thing that saved him was the armor shield behind the cockpit.. The bullets came in over his shoulder, hit the instrument panel, knocking most of them out.. When he got to his base it was weathered in and he was forced to bail out. His instruments were too shot up to try it.

And that's how Don Whinnem shot down Glenn Eagleston - something no German pilot was able to do. Glenn ended up with 20 1/2 confirmed victories, tops in the 9th AF. Whinnem was no slouch either. He didn't get credit for that P-51, but he got enough 109s and 190s to make him an Ace.

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 07:35 AM
imagine the P47 would have had 4x 20mm canons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

airplane identification is always tricky - remembering commenwealth pilots reported Bf109s and Ju88 1942 over Singapore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

3.JG51_BigBear
02-21-2006, 09:15 AM
I've always gotten the impression that P-47 pilots were more than happy with the hitting power of their eight .50s

JG53Frankyboy
02-21-2006, 10:43 AM
the mentioned P51 pilot for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VF-17Glider
02-21-2006, 10:53 AM
There was an instance where P-47D's of the 318th were launched off of the Natoma Bay, CVE-62, at Saipan. They were being ferried and were launched for defense when the TF came under attack. We did a reenactment for one of our SNATF's. VC81 Bolter has made several historical skins for the 318th. These are available for download if anyone is interested at:

http://pacific-fighters.org/_wsn/page5.html

BOLTER_VC81
02-21-2006, 02:38 PM
The Thunderbolt did indeed operate in the Pacific! Visit this link for more information, about D and N models operated by the 318th Fighter Group from Escort Carriers and land bases.

P47 Page (http://www.vc-81.net/upload_download_files/downloadspage3a.html)

VW-IceFire
02-21-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
imagine the P47 would have had 4x 20mm canons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

airplane identification is always tricky - remembering commenwealth pilots reported Bf109s and Ju88 1942 over Singapore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
There were certainly alot of problems with this sort of thing. The 109 looked alot like a Mustang or a Spitfire depending on the profile.

Last night I was reading more from my new 2nd TAF books and there was an incident where a loan FW190A attacked a flight of Typhoons on a flak supression mission. Some Tempests happened onto the scene and shot the FW190 down.

The FW190 pilot later claimed two Tempests shot down and the Typhoons claimed that a Spitfire shot down their attacker. Chaos http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

berg417448
02-21-2006, 03:52 PM
So called "friendly fire" was a constant problem on all sides during the war. just a couple of examples that I found and saved in the past:

1.

€œThe Typhoon's first large-scale combat over Dieppe further proved that its rearward vision was wholly inadequate as they had been bounced from above and behind three times in the day's flights for the loss of two aircraft, one of which fell to a Spitfire€¦.As a side note Typhoon partisans might have been forgiven thinking that the Spitfire lobby was taking things a bit far when a number of Typhoons were shot down by Spitfire pilots who confused it with marauding FW-190 fighter-bombers before they learned to differentiate between the radial-engined German fighter and the inline-engined Typhoon with its massive chin radiator.€

2.

€œThe first combat sortie flown by a mixed force of Ta 152H and Fw 190As of III./JG 301 had taken place on 2 March 1945. That day a powerful 8th Air Force formation of 1,232 bombers screened by 723 fighters was dispatched to B¶hlen, Magdeburg and Ruhland. Airborne from Sachau behind Verbandsführer (formation leader) Oberleutnant Stahl, some twelve Ta 152s climbed away southwards and prepared to do battle with the Mustang escort screening the bombers heading for the Bohlen chemical plant near Leuna. The sortie ended in disaster when the Ta 152s were engaged. Willi Reschke has described the events of that day in his history of Jagdgeschwader 301;

€œ We reached grid square €˜Heinrich-Caesar€ now flying at an altitude of more than 8,000 meters and closed to formate with a Gruppe of Bf 109s that were wearing yellow and red fuselage bands. We could barely believe our eyes when, moments later, the first tracers split the air around us as Uffz. €Bubi€ Blum€s Ta 152 came under attack. The 109s had opened up on us ! We could hardly return fire on Kameraden from our own Jagdgeschwader and the sortie was a complete debacle €.

Tator_Totts
02-21-2006, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by BOLTER_VC81:
The Thunderbolt did indeed operate in the Pacific! Visit this link for more information, about D and N models operated by the 318th Fighter Group from Escort Carriers and land bases.

P47 Page (http://www.vc-81.net/upload_download_files/downloadspage3a.html)

Thanks all for bringing up the 318th. That was our old squad in hyperlobby. We dispanded but I made dynamic online campaigns for our squad the 318th. Also that historical takeoff frm carrier.

Flying for the 318th was a lot of fun.

Old Uniform
318th_Stanger X.O.

kearsarge007
02-21-2006, 11:33 PM
This pic shows the P-47 aboard a carrier underfire!

the navy is careless,splashes caused by enemy fire....

Are they in the process of taking off?
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8747/p47ferried9fv.jpg

berg417448
02-22-2006, 10:11 AM
This one is taking off from a carrier:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p47-8.jpg

lbhskier37
02-22-2006, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
P47s operated extensively in New Guinea.

The leading P47 Ace in that theatre was shot down by a Ki43. The USAF Museum recovered the vertical stabilizer of that crashed aircraft from the jungle, and it is now on display next to the Museum's P47D-15 razorback which is now painted to match the downed aircraft.

P47 shot down by a Ki43? I guess they weren't that indestructable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif (this is not a slam against the P47s relative durability, P47 should be tough, but I think all aircraft were weaker in real life than in this game)

chris455
02-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Yes,Neal Kearby was shot down in a P-47 by a Ki-43. He wasn't the only one.
Just an example of how deadly any WWII fighter could be when flown competently.

lbhskier37
02-23-2006, 05:44 PM
But from listening to people on here you would think a P-47, FW-190, Mossie, Lagg 3 (insert your favorite aircraft here)could always absorb tons of ammo. From the pilot accounts I have read, more often than not kills were achieved with one pass on an unsuspecting foe. These accounts are usually the same whether the attacker was in a 109 with only mg ammo left all the way up to a Tempest with 4 20mms. In reality anytime you got hit there was a chance you were in big trouble, and more pilots were killed by 1 or 2 hits than returned with multiple hits. In the books I have read, when a pilot returned with multiple hits to his aircraft it was a guardian angel type experience no matter what aircraft that person was in. IMHO all aircraft should be a lot weaker in this game, in real life a good solid burst from just about any plane would be serious and at least cause a person to have to break off an attack and more than likely head home or ditch. Right now in most planes one can completely ignore anything less than 6 .50s or cannon rounds and that was not the case even in the P47 or FW190.

Nimits
02-23-2006, 08:34 PM
On the other hand, alot of planes people thought they killed really did make it back home. The USAAF and USN, which both had more reliable kill confirmation systems, generally claimed 1.5 to 2 times as many kills as enemy planes actually shot down. The Japanese and Germans often claimed 2-3 times in excess of reality. Alot of instances when pilots though they were seeing an unsuspecting victim fall out of control after a short burst, the "victim" was simply diving away from danger.

It should be noted that even fairly fragile aircraft such as the G3M, G4M, A5M, and A6M were observed to survive multiple AAA and .50 cal MG hits and return to base. If anything, the planes in this game are too easy to bring down.