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pugo3
07-29-2011, 03:04 PM
I originally inquired about this in the Community help thread, but I didn't get much feedback. I really just want feedback from average users rather than highly techinical fixes (though I'll take them if you have them!) to see if anyone has experienced a loss of aircraft performance, not computer performance, moving from XP/Vista to Win 7? I previously had a Toshiba laptop with a ATI 9000 Radeon graphic and now have a Gateway P-7809u duo core with Nividia GeForce 9800M GTS. I can't distinctly recall if it began with Vista or when I upgraded to Win 7, but I now have 2 distinctly new problems:

1) aircraft performance, ie speed, power is reduced approx. 10-15%. This heavily effects acrobatic performance and gunnery,as you can imagine. Try flying with your throttle setting at 80% and see the results! Definitely makes the game less fun. Really downgrades the game experince
2) I never touched the elevator trim control with Toshiba with XP - now I must always crank in a good 1/4-1/2" min. turn of the trim wheel to invoke decent turning, and this of course results in the aircraft being more unstable in hard manuevres. As one example, the Me 109 was a dream before, now it's greatly degraded due to this loss of turning ability, and I've lost a friend!! I could fly the Ta-152C successfully against the Oscar before, but now it wallows and struggles.

Is this a result of the Graphic cards having grossly different interpretations of the software or a Win 7/Il-2 combo issue?? Any basic user feedback and suggestions would be so greatly appreciated. I fly offline, so it's not a online issue.

Thanks for anything you can put forward to help. It's a real heartfelt loss, hope it can be made right.

Stiletto-
07-29-2011, 07:59 PM
There is no way this has to do with changed hardware, if anything it has to do with you installing a new operating system and some previous settings getting altered.

What kind of joysticks and other controls are you using?

Tully__
07-30-2011, 07:05 AM
Ditto on the joystick question, sounds like your stick is getting old. When the output from a potentiometer based stick starts to become unstable it can seriously affect performance in IL2. Try cranking up the filtering slider on all your primary control and trim axes and see if it improves matters.

pugo3
08-01-2011, 10:55 AM
thank you for your replies, I was unavailable over the weekend. I have CH Products Combat Flight stick and Rudder pedals, approx. 3 years old but I have sent them in and received refurbished replacements, and have not seen any improvement in the problem. I have not altered any settings as I lack the know how and play pretty much with the default settings.

Aside from the turning capacity diminsihment, how would you account for the loss of aircraft performance, ie speed? Is there a setting I can adjust this with? This is the greater loss of the two issues as it seriously degrades the acrobatic capabilities, gunnery precision and fun of the game. No one else has experienced this loss of performance going from XP to Vista/7?? I-yi-yi. Anyone who can, please advise me on what I can check or any possible causes I can address, thanks again for any input you can provide.

WTE_Galway
08-01-2011, 04:25 PM
OK ... let me get this clear

If you slide your throttle slider fully up and hit the WEP key the ingame HUD shows WEP is on and tells you 110% throttle, however the aircraft no longer accelerate to the same maximum speed they did before with WEP and 110% throttle?

Is that what is happening ?

FoolTrottel
08-01-2011, 09:11 PM
I fly offline, so it's not a online issue.

My guess is you've re-installed the game to a different a different patch level than you had before on the Toshiba.

This time you either did not patch it up completely to the same level as you had on the Toshiba, or you patched it up to a higher level than on the Toshiba...

Just guessing...

So, what version is currently installed?

Tully__
08-01-2011, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I fly offline, so it's not a online issue.

My guess is you've re-installed the game to a different a different patch level than you had before on the Toshiba.

This time you either did not patch it up completely to the same level as you had on the Toshiba, or you patched it up to a higher level than on the Toshiba...

Just guessing...

So, what version is currently installed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or flying with a bigger fuel/weapon payload than previously...?

FoolTrottel
08-02-2011, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I fly offline, so it's not a online issue.

My guess is you've re-installed the game to a different a different patch level than you had before on the Toshiba.

This time you either did not patch it up completely to the same level as you had on the Toshiba, or you patched it up to a higher level than on the Toshiba...

Just guessing...

So, what version is currently installed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or flying with a bigger fuel/weapon payload than previously...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hm, Yes, or flying with different difficulty settings now?

pugo3
08-02-2011, 01:21 PM
embarrased to say 4.07, yes, the original U.S. installation DVD! As I said, non-tech guy combined with a business start up absolutely consuming my life and computer problems along the way kept defeating my having time to batch. I played 4.07 with my Toshiba with XP with no patches, but I guess I should have started with that, but I thought the patches dealt with corrections of aircraft and maps and schemes.

OK ... let me get this clear

"If you slide your throttle slider fully up and hit the WEP key the ingame HUD shows WEP is on and tells you 110% throttle, however the aircraft no longer accelerate to the same maximum speed they did before with WEP and 110% throttle?

Is that what is happening ?"

Yes, that's correct.

I fly with the same settings re payload and fuel (25% against AI @25%)

pugo3
08-02-2011, 02:09 PM
One other thing I should have mentioned - I have CFS-3 installed with the Power Pack add on from Shock Wave, which also was installed on my Toshiba/XP/ATI Radeon 9000. Here again the turning radius is notable diminished in the Gateway/Win7/Nividia current laptop, and I now need to crank in trim for turning whereas I never even thought to add trim before. So it's not necessarily the Ubisoft software...

I mentioned in the Community help posting that I have the CH Products Controll manager 4.51 installed and calibrate my joystick and pedals with that. I show no game controller installed in my current computer when in Devise Manager, but I would think the CHPrd. CM plays that part(?)
Also, when in the Il-2 hardware set up window, my rudder pedals show up in the screen with the moving box indicators, but not my Joystick. I seem to recall a special set up software available for this from Ubisoft, or a outside vendor; please advise me as to how to address this or direct me to a posting or link where newbees can find help. Also any links as to how to adjust settings for my Nvidia to best optimize Il-2.

Thank you to everyone for your assistance.

Tully__
08-02-2011, 07:08 PM
It could be a joystick axis profiling issue then.
Links in my sig for IL2Sticks or IL2 Joy Control. Either version in my links will do the job up to v4.10, you may need an updated version of IL2 Joy Control for 4.10.1

pugo3
08-03-2011, 01:53 PM
Thanks again for your help. I will proceed with these steps.

One last inquiry re the loss of speed, or percieved loss - any explanations for that? Dogfights were faster in the XP/ATI Radeon 9000 set-up; I could hold a Corsair just off the water in canopy rolls with a opponent if I handled my throttle and controls correctly; the same with the heavy Ta-152C when dogfighting an Oscar. These examples illustrate the loss of top power with my Win7 set up. Dogfights were faster, therefore more exhilerating. Again, same 25% fuel/AI fuel set up and difficulty level. If I patch up to current level, will this correct that? Will the Il-2 JoyControl have any impact on speed control? I may have overstated at 20%, but definitely 5-15%. Thanks to all respondents, very grateful for your inputs and taking the time. I will dedicate more time now that I have it!!

pugo3
08-03-2011, 02:12 PM
Thought to add for others experincing similiar problems with CH Products Combat FlightStick and Pro Pedals: Though I very much like the product, I have had to send these in too many times over the past 1 1/2 years with problems with buttons and the main gun trigger sticking. And I noticed the refurbished units come in a new box and are undistinguishable from new product. As I purchased these from a discount online seller, it may be that I unknowingly purchased a refurbished unit. Check to make sure you are getting a new unit when you purchase. One of the above respondents mentioned older joysticks, maybe this is not a factor, but something to consider.

While Im offering feedback on CHP, also note that the main trigger sometimes sticks due to an apparent problem with the outer casing. If you encounter this, make sure to strongly insist that the tech person not disregard the problem because his test screen shows it working it produces an intermittent problem, ie, a ghost, sometimes works fine, but then sticks. They sent me back my same Combat Stick as the tech believed his test screen and dismissed my input. Be advised, UPS back and forthing that you get to pay for are the results!

VW-IceFire
08-03-2011, 03:09 PM
What you're describing is really not possible. At least in terms of speed of the aircraft. The speed of the aircraft, by hard numbers, will be for practical purposes identically the same on two computers. Going from one OS to another OS will not affect the game at a level like that. The only thing I can think of is that you were playing the game on a pre 4.01m installation before and then upgraded to something post 4.01m later and there were some pretty big changes in how aircraft handle... But then you say you were flying with the Ta152C before and that arrived in 4.07m. So not likely then... Really it shouldn't be any different.

I think unless you can show definitively that on one computer the speed of the aircraft was X and on the other computer the speed of the aircraft is now Y I think it may be purely perception based. It could be the result of higher or lower frame rates or a different quality of monitor or something like that affecting perception only.

As far as the controls. I can think of a few instances for myself where the config.ini was slightly corrupted (missing a 0 or two) in the joystick section and that was causing some less than pleasant maneuvering.

I realize this now requires some technical abilities although limited ones.

Do the following:

1) Open Notepad
2) Go to 'File', then 'Open' and then locate the IL-2 directory. It may be located in: C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946
3) Find the file called config.ini and select that as the file to open (Note: You may need to select All Files as files of type instead of just .txt)
4) In the Config.ini file find the section called [rts_joystick]. Copy everything under that section here. For reference, mine looks like the following:
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=1 6 15 24 29 33 42 53 61 86 100 0 0
1Y=0 11 14 23 30 39 40 56 62 71 100 0 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RZ=0 7 12 19 26 31 36 44 54 67 92 0 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
</pre>

We may be able to spot something out of place and tell you how to correct it.

Tully__
08-03-2011, 09:49 PM
Achieved speed in this game (and in real aircraft) is affected by control inputs. Your control inputs are affected by (excluding human factors such as practice, fatigue, alcohol etc..) hardware condition and joystick axis profile (the sliders in the Hardware Setup / Input menu option which is the same thing as the numbers posted by IceFire above).

If you're slider / conf.ini settings are different, small physical joystick movements may be resulting in larger control surface movements than in your previous setup. This would cause more impact on performance than you were used to on your XP installation.

This may seem unlikely, but I've seen a pilot online unable to keep up with another human pilot until the impact of control movements is made clear and a couple of months practice at smooth flying has been applied. The difference can be so subtantiantial that I've seen cases (in older game versions) where the "faster" pilot had to fly at 60% throttle to allow the "slower" pilot to keep up @ 100% throttle setting.

pugo3
08-04-2011, 07:30 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
What you're describing is really not possible. At least in terms of speed of the aircraft. The speed of the aircraft, by hard numbers, will be for practical purposes identically the same on two computers. Going from one OS to another OS will not affect the game at a level like that. The only thing I can think of is that you were playing the game on a pre 4.01m installation before and then upgraded to something post 4.01m later and there were some pretty big changes in how aircraft handle... But then you say you were flying with the Ta152C before and that arrived in 4.07m. So not likely then... Really it shouldn't be any different.

I think unless you can show definitively that on one computer the speed of the aircraft was X and on the other computer the speed of the aircraft is now Y I think it may be purely perception based. It could be the result of higher or lower frame rates or a different quality of monitor or something like that affecting perception only.

As far as the controls. I can think of a few instances for myself where the config.ini was slightly corrupted (missing a 0 or two) in the joystick section and that was causing some less than pleasant maneuvering.

I realize this now requires some technical abilities although limited ones.

Do the following:

1) Open Notepad
2) Go to 'File', then 'Open' and then locate the IL-2 directory. It may be located in: C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946
3) Find the file called config.ini and select that as the file to open (Note: You may need to select All Files as files of type instead of just .txt)
4) In the Config.ini file find the section called [rts_joystick]. Copy everything under that section here. For reference, mine looks like the following:
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=1 6 15 24 29 33 42 53 61 86 100 0 0
1Y=0 11 14 23 30 39 40 56 62 71 100 0 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1RZ=0 7 12 19 26 31 36 44 54 67 92 0 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 0
</pre>

We may be able to spot something out of place and tell you how to correct it.

Here is the copied file:
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 6 12 21 29 36 44 53 64 75 85 0
1Y=0 6 14 20 28 34 40 49 62 75 87 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1X1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Y1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

pugo3
08-04-2011, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
Achieved speed in this game (and in real aircraft) is affected by control inputs. Your control inputs are affected by (excluding human factors such as practice, fatigue, alcohol etc..) hardware condition and joystick axis profile (the sliders in the Hardware Setup / Input menu option which is the same thing as the numbers posted by IceFire above).

If you're slider / conf.ini settings are different, small physical joystick movements may be resulting in larger control surface movements than in your previous setup. This would cause more impact on performance than you were used to on your XP installation.

This may seem unlikely, but I've seen a pilot online unable to keep up with another human pilot until the impact of control movements is made clear and a couple of months practice at smooth flying has been applied. The difference can be so subtantiantial that I've seen cases (in older game versions) where the "faster" pilot had to fly at 60% throttle to allow the "slower" pilot to keep up @ 100% throttle setting.
I had related above that when in the Il-2 hardware set up window, my CH Products rudder pedals show up in the screen with the moving box indicators, but not my CHP Joystick. I read another post mentioned problem with CH gear. You refered me to the JoyControl, which I will be setting up shortly, so hopefully this will help me to adjust the settings as required. Is there a possibility that the throttle slider setting is somehow not correct, and that therefore even in top speed setting [110%] that the aircraft is not in fact at top speed? It may be in fact as IceFire said a perception matter, but it seems damn real to me. As to the control movements, I just recently read a German pilot relate that he would adjust the trim control via the horizontal stabilizer during dogfights, but that one didn't fly that way to long or you would bleed off speed..." - I'm more closely monitoring my use of trim and that is producing some improvement. I will be continuing to work on the problem with your inputs and guidance, and I will post the results afterwards. Thanks again to all, much appreciated.

Tully__
08-05-2011, 06:14 AM
If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.

pugo3
08-05-2011, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.

"IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation."

I seem to recall that I could adjust my joystick when I had the XP set up, but it's been some time now and I don't know for sure. I will set up the JoyControl and follow the advise from the forum here and see how I fare.

As far as subtleness of controll movements, understood, but my most favored fighting is the close in, and I mean close in swirling dogfight, which of course is where the 190 comes into it's own. When I mentioned loss of power in my postings, I was not so much referring to top end, rather during a swirling dogfight close in, ie, F4U or Ta 152C vs Oscar. I flew this so much that I am more sensitive and aware of the flight characteristics, as I'm sure you all have inimate knowledge of your favorite most flown machines. The power loss is therefore much more critical with these heavier beasts and hard to mistake! But I hope I achieve improved results as I perform these suggested installs and adjustments. Thanks for your input and help.

pugo3
08-05-2011, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
If your throttle is showing 110% then you're getting 110%.
What I'm suggesting and the information you've provided confirms is that your joystick (the axes labelled 1X1, 1Y1 and 1Z1 in your conf.ini rts_joystick section) are set up with maximum sensitivity. The sensitivy screen in game only recognises the first controller in Windows game controllers regardless of whether that's the controller assigned to your primary flight controls or not. IL2 Joy Control allows you to adjust sensitivities on other controllers using an interface similar to that built in to the game. I think it likely that this was not the case in your WinXP installation.

When you move the controls and the aicraft manouvers, this almost always causes an increase in drag even for tiny movements. Thus, frequent control inputs slow you down and the larger the input, the more it slows you down.

When your joystick sensitivity is at maximum (all sliders at 100), even very small movements of the joystick can slow you down quite a bit, a 5% joystick movement will give you a 5% control movement. If you have the sliders corresponding to small movements turned down to 10, a 5% joystick movement will only produce a 0.5% control movement.

It's perfectly possible to fly smoothly and quickly with all sliders set to maximum... provided you adjust your flying accordingly. If however you're accustomed to the early sliders being set much lower and you haven't adjusted how you handle the joystick to compensate for them now being at maximum, you'll be slowing yourself down quite a lot in situations where you're manouvering frequently. If this is the case, either use Joy Control to bring the sliders back to something you're used to, or get used to the sliders where they are and try to develop a much more subtle hand on the stick during gentle manouvering.

What about video cards influence on these issues? I mentioned in the Community help re the improvements from driver updates with my ATI 9000 that allowed very good control of the high G black out by varying the speed and tightness of the turn, whereas my newer Nvidia 9800M GTS initially gave the 'lights out and crash' interpretation, and apparently a Win7 automatic upgrade [I did not install or upgrade anything] subsequently improved that. Do video card give the exact same interpretation? I've seen websites where they are passionately discussed and rated from best to worst, and it seems performance issues were mentioned. Just one last inquiry while I'm attempting to understand the reason for this issue. No one has discussed video cards as being a possible contributing factor, so any thoughts you can offer on this?? Thanks Tully__

Tully__
08-05-2011, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by pugo3:
What about video cards influence on these issues?
My response there: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...481030049#1481030049 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7711073939?r=1481030049#1481030049)

Tully__
08-05-2011, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by pugo3:
When I mentioned loss of power in my postings, I was not so much referring to top end, rather during a swirling dogfight close in, ie, F4U or Ta 152C vs Oscar. I flew this so much that I am more sensitive and aware of the flight characteristics, as I'm sure you all have inimate knowledge of your favorite most flown machines. The power loss is therefore much more critical with these heavier beasts and hard to mistake!

The control input issue affects not just top speed, but acceleration at all parts of the performance curve. If you're manouvering, you're not getting best speed / acceleration. The more vigorously, frequently or abruptly you're manouvering, the greater the effect.

pugo3
01-21-2012, 12:06 AM
Hello, just want to update my progress here for others who may have noticed a change, or perceived change in aircraft speed and performance.

I have used Open GL mostly during my years using IL-2, and occasionally Direct X, and was too busy with another project to devote sufficient time to exploring the problems origin. I have recently switched over to DirectX on my computer, with good results. I have read on other forums those who have stated that Direct X works better on their computer, and this seems to be the case for mine. I hadn't paid much attention to my airspeed most of the time in the past years, I don't normally use the speed bar and played mostly for brief relaxation.

My control with Direct X is steadier; the aircraft can be deftly maneuvered at slower speeds just above stall, and are more stable for gunnery. My landscape clarity is better as well (keep in mind I have a duo core, 2009 gaming laptop, good but not able to power up all the goodies available with Open GL) As I have stated that I am a close in fighter rather than B&Z type, this is critical for my purposes, while a b&z flyer might never encounter or care re this flight quality, and therefore the incredulous, doubtful responses I received.

I have turned on the speed bar for now, and now can see that I can more readily negotiate slow speed flight maneuvers than in Open GL, wherein the aircraft was unstable, wobbly, and prone to fall out of climbs or subtle maneuvers’, with corresponding poor performance in gunnery. This contributed to a feeling or perception of slow speed.


I also found I had a subtle ‘ghost’ problem with a defective USB hub that my joystick was connected – this negatively affected my input response for months, quietly diminishing control input response and making the aircraft respond more sluggishly, furthering the impression of slow speed ‘near stall’ flight dynamics. [this faulty USB eventually developed into input interruptions, ie momentary elevator input nulls, helping me to finally discover the problem – CHECK YOU USB]

While some respondent stated herein that the speed difference is impossible or a perceptional matter, I will say emphatically that the flight characteristics on my old Toshiba ATI 9000 Radeon WERE FASTER - PERIOD. It was not merely perception, absolutely a faster interpretation – how that is I don’t know, but definitely faster than my current computer.


I played on that set up for over two years and had exhilarating close in dogfights, often exclaiming with shouts or sudden delight as I pulled off edgy maneuvers or had a canopy roll, roll over, roll under ' symphony with an Oscar or other fast AI opponent. I rarely exclaim out loud like that anymore. I only wish I had saved the tracks I recorded to post on this forum to demonstrate the difference to the pure rationalist and naysayers.

Hopefully these inputs will help some who are experiencing aircraft performance drop.

Thanks again to all respondents.

pugo3
08-15-2012, 11:48 PM
UPDATE: POSSIBLE ELECTRICAL SURGE DAMAGE MAY EXPLAIN THIS PROBLEM

To help anyone else suffering the symptoms I outlined in this thread, here is an update. Note that all my flying is offline.

I now believe that my laptop sustained some electrical surge damage, which I believe was mostly absorbed by my CH Products Joystick at the time the surge occured, and yes, I have a surge protector/battery back up unit installed. This would also account for the defective USB I described, the surge dissapating into the USB and the Joystick and the CH joystick acting as a lighting rod, so to speak. This would also explaim why a recently factory refurbished CH unit began to exhibit nulls and other control problems so soon after my receiving it back.

A surge also explains a large part of the diminished aircraft performance, as now the AI mostly fly lazy evasive patterns rather than the aggressive characteristics they exhibited on my present Gateway Laptop and especially compared with my old XP/ATI Radeon 9000 set up (my 'Mystify' screen saver is also a lazier and slower pattern/performance, seeming to verify my conclusions]

Also, in the Crimea area, [I believe that's the one with the adjacent sea], the large Soviet ship accompanied by the 2 small craft is not rendered at all now. I believe my processor is damaged/diminished due to the surge, and therefore the decreased renderings and complexities of manuevre that I experience previously are absent or greatly lessened.

I still note the diminished performance of the aircraft vs my old computer with Pent. 4 and ATI Radeon 9000 card. I have since tested IL-2 on another computer loaded with XP, dual XEON processor, and Nvidia Quadro card, and have a replacement CH joystick . The performance is improved, the Soviet large vessel is rendered as before, the AI engage quite aggressively, but with all this it is still not as fast and furious as my old Toshiba laptop P4 ATI Radeon 9000. If anyone has likewise encountered this and can offer a solution, it would be wonderful. For now, I am enjoying offline flying as much as I can, but I will never forget the exhileration I had with my older Toshiba and Il-2. I only wish I would have saved some of the dogfights with Oscars 20' above the sea, canopy rolls and using flaps and throttle settings more than any other control, it was intoxicating!! Maybe with the next generation of software, I will be able to finally realize that level of fun again.

HORRIDO!

p3

gothkrieger
08-16-2012, 03:58 AM
My response there: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...481030049#1481030049 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7711073939?r=1481030049#1481030049)


In relation to the topic, where is this link taking me? For me it takes me to an overall index rather than a specific topic.
Thanks

Tully__
08-16-2012, 07:15 AM
In relation to the topic, where is this link taking me? For me it takes me to an overall index rather than a specific topic.
Thanks
The person to whom I was responding had also posted in another thread and the link originally went to my response in that other thread. Unfortunately that was before we moved to vBulletin and the link structure has now changed so the link doesn't work right anymore. The server is now set to redirect to the main forum index when it gets links from the old UBB/Eve forum.

Edit: I was going to search and link the original post but unfortunately the search function doesn't always bring back a full list of results on posts before the migration when searching on a username.

pugo3
08-17-2012, 08:06 PM
Hello,

My original post Tully is referring to is in the Community Help forum here:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/536582-Need-help-re-loss-of-aircraft-performance-in-Win-7?

Tully__
08-18-2012, 05:20 AM
Hello,

My original post Tully is referring to is in the Community Help forum here:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/536582-Need-help-re-loss-of-aircraft-performance-in-Win-7?
Thanks for finding that :)

pugo3
11-06-2012, 11:05 PM
Hello,

Just to provide closure to this problem, finally sent in the computer for analysis and confirmed, motherboard damaged. I finally figured out that even with a battery back up surge protector, if someone uses a high draw appliance on another outlet on the same circuit, the surge does get through, though diminished, and cause damage with repeated incidents over time. Hence the puzzling loss of aircraft performance over time, pretty straightforward really. Lesson: Make certain your supply is on a ciruit not shared with other outlets that may be inadvertently used. This one crept up on me slowly, very frustrating as I continually tried software/OS solutions to no avail.

Hope to help others not get snake bit by this hidden critter.

p3