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RChianese
10-13-2004, 11:44 AM
I would really enjoy some feedback on the possible development of a WWII Tank Simulation game. Are there any plans for anyone to ever make one again? I must admit that I am not very good with computers and that I do not pretend to understand the limitations invloved with making games. However, I have played IL-2, SH2, and others and seen what is possible now with computers as opposed to what was being done just a few years back. Between Mr. Maddox and UbiSoft, I am convinced that a compitent WWII tank sim can be accomplished with such a reputable combination.
I could probably sit here for hours and explain the different ideas that I have for what a game like this would incorporate, but I am not sure anyone really would care. Thus I have posted this little medium.

Thanks
Robert

RChianese
10-13-2004, 11:44 AM
I would really enjoy some feedback on the possible development of a WWII Tank Simulation game. Are there any plans for anyone to ever make one again? I must admit that I am not very good with computers and that I do not pretend to understand the limitations invloved with making games. However, I have played IL-2, SH2, and others and seen what is possible now with computers as opposed to what was being done just a few years back. Between Mr. Maddox and UbiSoft, I am convinced that a compitent WWII tank sim can be accomplished with such a reputable combination.
I could probably sit here for hours and explain the different ideas that I have for what a game like this would incorporate, but I am not sure anyone really would care. Thus I have posted this little medium.

Thanks
Robert

faustnik
10-13-2004, 11:47 AM
Yes, Panzer Elite 2 is a possibility.

PE Board (http://www.panzerelite.com/panzerelite.html)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Mashie_Nibblick
10-13-2004, 07:26 PM
You're certainly not the first person to wish out loud that Oleg would make a tank sim for us. I'm with you, too. It doesn't look like that'll happen, as Oleg's interests don't seem to lie in armour. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be fantastic to see an Oleg-calibre tank sim?

NegativeGee
10-14-2004, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mashie_Nibblick:
You're certainly not the first person to wish out loud that Oleg would make a tank sim for us. I'm with you, too. It doesn't look like that'll happen, as Oleg's interests don't seem to lie in armour. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be fantastic to see an Oleg-calibre tank sim? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if you read Russian you might want to check out the T-72: Balkans on Fire demo. Not WW2 but very meaty looking all the same. Get it from here:

http://www.3dgamers.com/news/more/1095861662/

Btw, the demo doesn't like detonator 61.XX series drivers.

tracker_72
10-15-2004, 04:09 AM
I'd also love a good tankSIM and the link above doesn't seem te be it.(:
I didn't see a lot of interior views and accurate gunsight models which is dissapointing. It also seems to depend to much on exterior views which takes away a lot if exitement that is generated through limited views when operating a real tank.

I was a gunner in a leopard IV and know how thrilling action in a tank can be (luckely only did simulated battles in germany). One thing I miss in all tank-sims untill now is accurate modeling of weaponery (firing protocols, range finding etc) and driving (motor management etc).

One of the nicest tanksim thrills I had was with worldwarII-online. You could populate a tank with multiple persons (gunner, driver, commander etc). We where connected to eachother with teamspeak which is very similar to the real headset coms in a real tank. One day we formed a armoured collumn of 16+ tanks and hit the enemy big-time. It came really close to the real thing...

I'm investigating a game-engine called Torque at the moment but it will take atleast a year before I could attempt to create a virtual Leopard IV.

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El Turo
10-15-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tracker_72:
One of the nicest tanksim thrills I had was with worldwarII-online. You could populate a tank with multiple persons (gunner, driver, commander etc). We where connected to eachother with teamspeak which is very similar to the real headset coms in a real tank. One day we formed a armoured collumn of 16+ tanks and hit the enemy big-time. It came really close to the real thing...
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Accurate ballistics, suspension and physics-based penetration/damage modelling make WWII Online the finest tank simulation on the planet right now. You can download the entire program and play around with it offline for free and test out the functionality, but must pay a monthly subscription to get online in the 'real' war.

BTW.. in the last few months, they have enabled enhanced mode Track-IR as well, so you can look around in any vehicle (and infantry as well, I believe) using a TIR unit.. which is very, very VERY nice to have when scanning for targets (especially in an AAA unit, anti-tank gun or commander position on a tank.)

Best,

~T.

Capt_Haddock
10-15-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tracker_72:
I was a gunner in a leopard IV and know how thrilling action in a tank can be (luckely only did simulated battles in germany). One thing I miss in all tank-sims untill now is accurate modeling of weaponery (firing protocols, range finding etc) and driving (motor management etc).
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You should try Steel Beasts then. It has all the things you mentioned (Laser rangefinder, ballistic computer, thermal imaging systems, etc.) and you can drive a Leopard 2A4.

Here is the main website.
http://www.steelbeasts.com/

Don't be put off by the oldish graphics. The sounds and the general ambiece are just spot on. Really intense experience.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/efas.jpg

F0_Dark_P
10-15-2004, 05:10 PM
i agree with Capt_Haddock, Steel Beasts is realy good game one of my squadmates play it online also so it has a good online comunity to

tracker_72
10-16-2004, 06:29 AM
WW2online update....
There's a 14 day free trial available at the following url:

http://www5.playnet.com/bv/wwiiol/wwiimag_promo.jsp

go check it out everyone...

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Hartford688
10-16-2004, 06:48 AM
Re Steel Beasts, maybe have a look at Steel Beasts Pro:

From The Wargamer http://www.wargamer.com news:

A professional military, updated version of the original Steel Beasts tank sim will soon be released to individual users, developer eSim Games announced on Tuesday. Steel Beasts: Professional Personal Edition will be sold exclusively through the company's online store for an unannounced price. This Professional Edition is the same version of the game sold to the Danish military. Based on the original Steel Beasts (review), the game has been substantially updated for professional military use, including an all-new graphics engine, dozens of new vehicles (the M2/M3 Bradley fighting vehicles, the Leopard 2A5/1A5, the Humvee and M113, an artillery forward observer vehicle, and 26 other vehicles available in less detailed views), new minefields, encampments, and other obstacles.


"We're happy to announce this news to our customers", said eSim Games' president and programmer, Alexander H. Delaney. "Many fans have been waiting for this since the release of Steel Beasts Gold, our last consumer game version. We have spent the last years on a number of dramatic improvements to the product, largely influenced by the requirements of serious training.

"Experienced SB players and students of combined arms combat tactics will love the added depth to tactical versatility and the many new elements. It's a whole new experience that retains the strengths of the classic simulation game of the year 2000, while addressing many requests from our customers back then.

"Over the past two years, the new engine was prepared, and the focus shifted from a purely armor centric point of view to a simulation of company level combined arms combat tactics."
Because of the new DirectX 9-powered graphics engine offers significantly better 3D graphics (visibility up to 5 kilometers), an up-to-date 3D graphics card is recommended. Specifically, a GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500 card is recommended, alongside a 1.5 GHz processor, 256 MB RAM, and about 800 MB of free hard drive space.

Steel Beasts Professional should be released sometime this fall. For more information, visit the game's official web site. It's not immediately clear what has happened to the long planned sequel, Steel Beasts 2 (interview), but the web site indicates new details may yet be released this year.



Could be interesting.

tracker_72
10-16-2004, 06:50 AM
I checked out the steal beast site and it looks like a real tank-freak game (which is great!). Only problem is that you have to buy to check it out... Will do so probably after my free trial of ww2online has finished.

Another positive thing I can say about ww2online is that it is a huge total war theatre where you can fight as pilot (bit crappy if you know IL2 ofcourse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) , infantery or armour.


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Capt_Haddock
10-16-2004, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tracker_72:
I checked out the steal beast site[...] Only problem is that you have to buy to check it out... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The game is worth every penny, but there is a very nice demo out there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.download.com/Steel-Beasts-v1-19-demo/3000-7560-1931232.html

I think the demo only has the Abrams, but it gives a very nice idea of what the game is about. Make sure you try the tutorials.

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19banner.jpg
http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/efas.jpg

Resident_Jock
10-16-2004, 04:31 PM
The only experience I have with Tank sims is Armored Fist II and Operation Flashpoint, both of which were an absolute blast. I'd love to play a tank sim that was more realistic than those, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tracker_72
10-16-2004, 06:25 PM
thnx Haddock.... DLing now...

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badatit
10-16-2004, 09:07 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tracker_72:
I'd also love a good tankSIM and the link above doesn't seem te be it.(:
I didn't see a lot of interior views and accurate gunsight models which is dissapointing. It also seems to depend to much on exterior views which takes away a lot if exitement that is generated through limited views when operating a real tank.

I was a gunner in a leopard IV and know how thrilling action in a tank can be (luckely only did simulated battles in germany). One thing I miss in all tank-sims untill now is accurate modeling of weaponery (firing protocols, range finding etc) and driving (motor management etc).


Hey tracker_72,
look at this (http://t72.iddk.ru/en/project.html)
and this (http://t72.iddk.ru/en/files.html)

You'll need a word doc viewer to see the pic's in the translations.
If you have Word, great...if not, this (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9BBB9E60-E4F3-436D-A5A7-DA0E5431E5C1&displaylang=EN) will do it.

Basically, I stumbled on to this thread, d/l'd the T-72 demo, I dont read Russian, but managed to get the tank started, and drove it around a bit.
Then, went looking for the links I posted.
Good luck, have fun.
It's worth a closer look.