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robban75
12-05-2004, 02:21 PM
Or will they stay this way? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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robban75
12-05-2004, 02:21 PM
Or will they stay this way? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/porkedgun.jpg

VW-IceFire
12-05-2004, 02:27 PM
I noticed a minute improvement in the last 3.02bm patch. Maybe just insanity creeping in! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

meh_cd
12-05-2004, 02:30 PM
lol

Love the drawing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Von_Zero
12-05-2004, 02:33 PM
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LStarosta
12-05-2004, 03:50 PM
Real men use 8mm MG's.

OldMan____
12-05-2004, 04:20 PM
At least offline where I can make controled tests..they are as powerfull as Shvak..and not far from Hispano. Although online Hispanos seems to have a greater effect.

Copperhead310th
12-05-2004, 05:41 PM
same can be said for the Brwoning M2's.
needs improvment.

Hunde_3.JG51
12-05-2004, 06:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Robban. But don't exaggerate, maybe give the 151/20 guy a sock with a bar of soap in it like in Full Metal Jacket.

_Neveraine_
12-05-2004, 06:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
same can be said for the Brwoning M2's.
needs improvment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats news to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LeadSpitter_
12-05-2004, 06:23 PM
comeon 20m is more accurate then smaller cal here and has a faster rof becuase oleg has all .50s fire at once giving us recoil shake of all at once. when the real ones fired 2x 2x 2x giving the more .50 a faster rof and harder hitting power.

the 109g2 g6 20m can saw the wing off anything us or british in one burst wing root wing tip or middle wing shot but the dora seems to take alot of hits unless hitting at the exact convergence at the weak point I noticed. The 109 g2 g6 seem 100 times more accurate at placing shots then convergence with 20mm cannon, take a look and see what i said in game and let me know if you see the same as me.

This game always has leading edges of wings absorbing immense ammounts of hits it always has since sturmo. You just need to know where to hit and im sure you do.

You also take great tests on many aspect of the game using devicelink and have the most accurate tests of dive speeds etc and other tests robban.

Your one of the few here I agree on these forums and produce the same results you do in your tests.

great drawing btw but hispanos seem awfully weak now as well as .50 cal I do think 20mm is rather weak as well especially against russian aircraft but it still kills in one pass everytime weather the ac explodes into nothing or clips all cables kills pilot or engine.

to me the weapon strenghts seem more accurate when unchecking realistic gunnery it makes weapon strenght 4x the strenght it is with realistic gunnery checked.

S` robban75

Sig.Hirsch
12-05-2004, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
At least offline where I can make controled tests..they are as powerfull as Shvak..and not far from Hispano. Although online Hispanos seems to have a greater effect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL , no offense mate , but i'd love to have your version of FB , with the Dora , i need minimum 2-3 passes at high speed on a P-51 or P-63 unless i hit the engine , with Hispano 1 pass is enough to cut the aircraft in pieces .

HE rounds seems too weak in FB , i advise you to check 20 mil. HE rounds impacts on a real plane , you'll see how devastating it is compared to AP rounds which only make "small" holes .

NorrisMcWhirter
12-05-2004, 06:48 PM
Hi,

Hispanos are weak? What planet are you accessing the forum from? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I've seen no improvement in the 151/20 since AEP - they are still as *inconsistent* as they were before. In particular, they are worst when used on Laggs and Yaks but I suspect this is largely do to their never updated simple Il-2...er..I mean..delta wood driven DM (convenient, huh?)

Seriously, the 151/20s are the weakest of those three, and I'd still say the Hispanos were the strongest, so the picture is about right.

Cheers,
Norris

Sig.Hirsch
12-05-2004, 06:51 PM
LOL , great picture BTW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

OldMan____
12-05-2004, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sig.Hirsch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
At least offline where I can make controled tests..they are as powerfull as Shvak..and not far from Hispano. Although online Hispanos seems to have a greater effect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL , no offense mate , but i'd love to have your version of FB , with the Dora , i need minimum 2-3 passes at high speed on a P-51 or P-63 unless i hit the engine , with Hispano 1 pass is enough to cut the aircraft in pieces .

HE rounds seems too weak in FB , i advise you to check 20 mil. HE rounds impacts on a real plane , you'll see how devastating it is compared to AP rounds which only make "small" holes . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can post a track whee wiht an A4 I destroy 2 Spitfires with a single burst (just hope the track was in ntrk not trk)

BBB_Hyperion
12-05-2004, 07:47 PM
Great Picture Robban75 .)

Well the reasons for mg151/20 being weak is the 50 % armorpiercing beltload that is indeed correct for eastern front. (And the non explosive tracers may take their part too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) So we have a gun that is good but ammo that is not best suited for any case. The ap rounds lack of effect cause of the limited dm . So do the mine shells the structural damage (deforming frames and ripping skin) of pressure burst is not modeled.

In general i would tend to say most guns are too weak .

1 mk108 should be enough for a fighter(if you hit but 4 to 5 needed in average(tracer not modeled as mine !))
4/5 20 mm rounds(hits) should be enough for a fighter.
50s 2 or 3 seconds burst should be enough to give heavy structurel damage that takes the plane out.

WUAF_Badsight
12-05-2004, 09:13 PM
FB/PF vavours AP over HE

why ?

AP does the damadge it should , whereas HE power isnt moddeled as good as it should

thus HE rounds can be seen to give excellect puffs when they explode , but the damadge comparativly isnt as great

Vladimir_No2
12-05-2004, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Real men use 8mm MG's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I concur- there would be no debate over the power of the MG151 if we all flew biplanes, p.11s and Tb-3s...

VW-IceFire
12-05-2004, 09:58 PM
Yep, online and offline seem to varry a good deal. Offline the MG151/20 now seems to do a good deal of damage. Online its hit and miss. Must have something to do with complexity of explosive blasts and packet loss.

OldMan____
12-06-2004, 06:11 AM
In fact I think is just precision... 151 is not very accurate.. and since online the inacuracy of any weapon is multiplied byt the lag..... Hispanos are VERY accurate, as well as the Shvak.


Does anyone wants to make some online ballistic tests? My ICQ is 49864649 we can arrange something.

Vipez-
12-06-2004, 07:13 AM
accurasy is not really the issue Oldman.. i dont think many of us even opens fire at longer ranges than 200 (atleast not me), so its not an issue.. (atleast with mg151/20)

just the differences in damage values..

NorrisMcWhirter
12-06-2004, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
accurasy is not really the issue Oldman.. i dont think many of us even opens fire at longer ranges than 200 (atleast not me), so its not an issue.. (atleast with mg151/20)

just the differences in damage values.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. I can't even imagine opening up at 500m these days, never mind 600m. 200m is more the norm which doesn't give you long on target in a bnz. To think of being stricken at 0.6km just gets more ridiculous the more I think of it.

Cheers,
Norris

Hetzer_II
12-06-2004, 10:30 AM
@OldMan____

The a4 you took agaibnst the Spts is also weaponed with 2 mgff... which currently do much more damage than the mg151/20... take the d9 or a6 for your test you will see...

Sig.Hirsch
12-06-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sig.Hirsch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
At least offline where I can make controled tests..they are as powerfull as Shvak..and not far from Hispano. Although online Hispanos seems to have a greater effect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL , no offense mate , but i'd love to have your version of FB , with the Dora , i need minimum 2-3 passes at high speed on a P-51 or P-63 unless i hit the engine , with Hispano 1 pass is enough to cut the aircraft in pieces .

HE rounds seems too weak in FB , i advise you to check 20 mil. HE rounds impacts on a real plane , you'll see how devastating it is compared to AP rounds which only make "small" holes . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can post a track whee wiht an A4 I destroy 2 Spitfires with a single burst (just hope the track was in ntrk not trk) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Antons have 4 X 20 mil. , RAF pilots used to call it : "The Butcher Bird" , it was not for nothing .
Now try with a G2(1X 20mil.) or a Dora (2X 20mil.) , i need (at high speed of course ) 2-3 good passes to hope for cutting a wing .
I regularly cut planes in my P-38 (1X 20mil.) with just the HS gun in one pass at high speed
In term of destructive power (the result on the flying target ) both HS and MG151 were about the same power , with a slight advantage for HS in Kg/j .
anyway , i fly the planes like they are , i 'll get on with it , i just don't understand why the difference in so huge in the game .

regards ,

OldMan____
12-06-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
accurasy is not really the issue Oldman.. i dont think many of us even opens fire at longer ranges than 200 (atleast not me), so its not an issue.. (atleast with mg151/20)

just the differences in damage values.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really think MG151 dispersion is an issue as it was for .50 .. may not be the whole story.. but I think is a factor. When I get to point blank range I usually can put any enemy on fire or explode it with 2 MG151/20.. but at more than 150 meters..I start having more eventual problems.


And HEY.. I DO open fire at 400 -500 meters! :P WQell most of time somewhere between 300 and 400