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robban75
12-09-2004, 09:25 AM
This plane speaks to me, and I'm not sure why. It isn't pretty in any way but it really has this "move out of my way" thing written all over it. I find it to be quite dull in its behavior, but I like it nonetheless. It's not very fast and the climbrate is mediocre. Turn is ok, and so is the rollrate.
I'm sure there are people out there that feels the same way I do about this giant. It will never best my 190, but it stirs up a similar feeling whenever I fly it.

Are there any Hellcat aces out there that might want to share with me the pro's and con's of this bird against a realistic opposition?

Any reply is welcome!



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robban75
12-09-2004, 09:25 AM
This plane speaks to me, and I'm not sure why. It isn't pretty in any way but it really has this "move out of my way" thing written all over it. I find it to be quite dull in its behavior, but I like it nonetheless. It's not very fast and the climbrate is mediocre. Turn is ok, and so is the rollrate.
I'm sure there are people out there that feels the same way I do about this giant. It will never best my 190, but it stirs up a similar feeling whenever I fly it.

Are there any Hellcat aces out there that might want to share with me the pro's and con's of this bird against a realistic opposition?

Any reply is welcome!



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actionhank1786
12-09-2004, 10:13 AM
Pros: Wings, Machine Guns, a seat with a view.
Cons: no Sidewinders, no rocket engine.
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haha i dont know specifics about the Hellcat, but it is a nice piece of machinery

Baletzan
12-09-2004, 10:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Pros: Wings, Machine Guns, a seat with a view.
Cons: no Sidewinders, no rocket engine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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ZG77_Nagual
12-09-2004, 10:37 AM
The hellcat is pretty good in 1v1 or 1v2 matches - but against multiple late war opponents speed becomes an issue. Zoom climb and accel are not terribly exciting either compaired to aerodynamically cleaner planes like the mustang and corsair. However - against what it was designed to fight - zeros - it is very effective. I agree it has the same sort of appeal as the 190 - a more or less difficult plane that is all the more rewarding once you get it down. My problem is I just like the way the corsair looks better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But the hellcat has been getting more of my time lately - though the Bristol beaufighter is my current fav dogfighter.

ucanfly
12-09-2004, 10:40 AM
With the latest patch I like it now. It doesn't do anything spectacular but holds its advantage against all Zeroes and is now a more honest plane. Just wish they would clean the windscreen (but that's another thread).

The190Flyer
12-09-2004, 11:32 AM
Not very fast? It was one of that fastest of the war, behind the Corsair. It was basically the Corsair's cousin. Turn radius was great, sufficient armament, I would take it over a Corsair in a dogfight! There wasn't too much difference in the F4 and the F6 unless you get technical, but the Hellcat is great.

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Diablo310th
12-09-2004, 11:43 AM
I love flying teh Hellcat. I don't find it as fast as a Corsair but it does hold it's own fighting Zeros and Ki's. I would fly it alot more if all that puke was off teh canopy.

Fliger747
12-09-2004, 11:44 AM
The F6F wasn't the best at much of anything, but pretty good at everything! A combination which made it the right plane at the right time, to spearhead the central Pacific drive. It was easy to fly, rugged, well armed, and had range and load carrying ability. It was even approved for torpedo drops and equipment needed to do that was sent to the fleet, but not used.

Thought by many to have been one of the most important fighters of WWII.

Another great airplane, made great by the unsurpassed R2800!

fordfan25
12-09-2004, 11:51 AM
other than its low top speed it was a super plane. good fire power.could take a pounding and still get ya home. turn like a feinding crack head. dive like the japanes navy at midway. could hold its liqueur and still pass a highway patrol sobriety test. and was willing to date your girlfriends ugly room mate so you could gets some happy time. it was all that and on cold nights soooo much more

robban75
12-09-2004, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
other than its low top speed it was a super plane. good fire power.could take a pounding and still get ya home. turn like a feinding crack head. dive like the japanes navy at midway. could hold its liqueur and still pass a highway patrol sobriety test. and was willing to date your girlfriends ugly room mate so you could gets some happy time. it was all that and on cold nights soooo much more <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BuzzU
12-09-2004, 12:15 PM
I'll fly it as soon as I can see out of it. What the hell were the beta testers doing with this plane? Did they fly it?

IL2-chuter
12-09-2004, 01:24 PM
Top speed of 371mph at 23,400ft achieved at military, not WEP, power. Makes one wonder what the WEP power top speed was. It could also use landing gear as air brakes, as Corsair. The five or six Japanese veterans that I have read accounts of that compared the Hellcat and Corsair all feared the Hellcat more because of its turning ability over the Corsair.



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horseback
12-09-2004, 02:03 PM
Robban-

Your best source of RL Hellcat use and operations in WWII is Barrett Tillman. His Osprey Aircraft of the Aces volumes on both the Hellcat and Wildcat are quite good, but he also did one called The F6F Hellcat in World War II, published by the Naval Institute that is the definitive work on the subject. He did companion volumes on the Corsair, Wildcat, and SBD, which are also solid works.

If you ever see the Hellcat and P-47 together, you may come to the conclusion that the Hellcat is the only World War II fighter that makes the Jug look umm, delicate. By all accounts a very easy aircraft to fly, in the hands of a master (and if you study the Pacific theater at all, you'll come to the conclusion that US Naval aviators included some of the very best in their ranks), it was ****ed near unbeatable in a stand up fight below 25,000 ft.

We were going to offer them to the Russians under Lend Lease until we saw what happened to the ones we gave the Brits (they painted them slate grey and duck egg green!), and realized that the Russians would give 'em even uglier paint jobs, so...

cheers

horseback

robban75
12-09-2004, 02:37 PM
Thanks for the book tips Horseback, and thanks all for your inputs! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Zarathael
12-09-2004, 03:00 PM
There's a really good article in the "German Fighters" special issue of Flight Journal right now that describes comparison testing a captured FW-190 against the Hellcat and the Corsair. Interesting read.

DangerForward
12-09-2004, 03:36 PM
It's purty...

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Hades_Dragon
12-09-2004, 03:42 PM
The Hellcat is very unique and balanced as far as perofrmance goes. As with all aircraft, one area of performance usually means a trade off in another where as the Hellcat was balnced through out the entire perofrmance spectrum. While perhaps not the highest performing aircraft of the war, a green horn pilot is going to have the greatest chance of scoring a kill in an F6F over probably any other plane.

That was the Hellcat's most powerful weapon, the fact it was such a simple killing machine you it didn't really matter whther it was a hardened veteran or pilot who hasn't seen combat as the Hellcat wouldn't as harshly punish mistakes in combat like most other fighter aircraft.

mortoma
12-09-2004, 03:48 PM
Does anybody kow how many ( if any ) Hellcats are still flying?? Never see 'em in airshows, unlike the much more common P-40s and 51s. Never see Wildcats either.

To change the subject some, I did see a P-38 at the Mt. Comfort Airshow this year and was amazed at how big they are!! Looks more like a bomber up close.

lbhskier37
12-09-2004, 04:14 PM
I think there is one flying somewhere near SE Wisconsin. On the 4th this year I saw something fly over and I swear it was a Hellcat, I only got a quick look though.

fordfan25
12-09-2004, 04:25 PM
i just figured out what the hellcat reminds me of. a Great Whight shark. look at the pics above of the one on display in the hanger with the whight under belly fadded to blue on top. that thing looks like its ready to rape a surfer to me lol.

DangerForward
12-09-2004, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
i just figured out what the hellcat reminds me of. a Great Whight shark. look at the pics above of the one on display in the hanger with the whight under belly fadded to blue on top. that thing looks like its ready to rape a surfer to me lol. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this one is kinda like a shark too, but it's not so nice to our Hellcat.

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Fliger747
12-10-2004, 12:36 PM
Hard to say how legitimate this one is, but regards to the top speed one source claimed 403mph was seen at altitude with Water Meth Injection.

Your mileage may vary! In the field some mechanics 'adjusted' the maximum boost allowed on the R2800. The engine was somewhat tollerant of higher boost, though detionation was a potential problem, but not at all of higher RPM. If 3000 RPM was seen, expensive, terminal sounds usually resulted.

actionhank1786
12-10-2004, 12:43 PM
I dont want to hijack this thread, but i was driving past EAA in Wisconsin. And my dad, brother and myself stopped at a KFC to meet some friends. While we were standing outside waiting, a Spitfire flew over. I stood there in awe just watching it fly around.
**** that planes beautiful in person.
Now if i could find one, with no one watching it, and a "Flying the Spitfire: For Dummies" book in the seat, i'd be set!

Eldon45
12-10-2004, 01:26 PM
I found a copy of "The Encyclopedia of WWII Aircraft" (ed.Paul Eden) on sale cheap at Border's yesterday. Although it's not a "must buy" volume, I did find a paragraph in the Hellcat article that made me think of many of our complaints about the "muck" on the Hellcat's windscreen. Here it is:
"Grumman and the Navy improved the Hellcat as the war progressed, in the much the way that any aircraft receives improvements over time. In the case of the Hellcat, however, there was little to improve and changes were minimal. At one juncture, an improved windshield resulted from US Navy complaints that dust was accumulating between the curved windshield and the bulletproof transparent plate. In what might have represented a bigger change to the Hellcat, consideration was given to fitting the aircraft with a bubble canopy, but the idea was rejected because it would have dramatically decreased the aircraft's production rate."

I wonder if Oleg and crew actually factored those complaints about dust into the product we have? (Not that I really mind it, myself).

geetarman
12-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Great plane Robban! I fly it much of the time now. It turns as well as some of the later, faster planes. I love to mix it up with 109K's, LA-7's and Franks.

If you fly those, the Hellcat is slower. But, don't start turning with it (particularly in a late 109).

I had a five minute furball with a Spit VIII pilot. He attacked in the vertical and I responded in the vertical. The F6F easily stayed with the Spit by use of flaps and throttle/rpm adjustment. Just keep it in its powerband. Finally got on it's tail and shot it down.

As with most US planes, it gets better as you go higher. At 12,000-18,000, it is very good and maintains power thanks to its supercharger. I love going after Franks at those alts.

A little more twitchy than a Corsair, but I find, more agile.

fordfan25
12-10-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eldon45:
I found a copy of "The Encyclopedia of WWII Aircraft" (ed.Paul Eden) on sale cheap at Border's yesterday. Although it's not a "must buy" volume, I did find a paragraph in the Hellcat article that made me think of many of our complaints about the "muck" on the Hellcat's windscreen. Here it is:
"Grumman and the Navy improved the Hellcat as the war progressed, in the much the way that any aircraft receives improvements over time. In the case of the Hellcat, however, there was little to improve and changes were minimal. At one juncture, an improved windshield resulted from US Navy complaints that dust was accumulating between the curved windshield and the bulletproof transparent plate. In what might have represented a bigger change to the Hellcat, consideration was given to fitting the aircraft with a bubble canopy, but the idea was rejected because it would have dramatically decreased the aircraft's production rate."

I wonder if Oleg and crew actually factored those complaints about dust into the product we have? (Not that I really mind it, myself). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well any plane can get dirt and dust ect on it. what it looks like to me is thay tried to make it look like the green inside of the canopy was reflecting on to the glass. you can see it in the wild cat as well just not as pronotced. what ever the case i wish thay would remove it or at least give an option for the player to remove it. not only is it distracting but its ugly looking to boot. IMO. i dont care weather its ment to be there or some kinda mess up i just wish thay would get some frign windex and clean it up. lol

Fliger747
12-11-2004, 12:12 PM
Mirrorglaze, that's the stuff for plexiglass! One can appreciate how important canopy cleanliness is to a fighter! The early R2800's had a problem with leaking rocker box covers, and resultant oil finding it's way aft. The early Corsair had a likewise (additional) problem with leaking hydraulic cowl flap actuators.

One of the biggest differences between machinery of that era and now was the quality of gaskets and seals (not so good then).

It's probbaly semi realistic, just not all of the planes have it!

IL2-chuter
12-11-2004, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eldon45:
I found a copy of "The Encyclopedia of WWII Aircraft" (ed.Paul Eden) on sale cheap at Border's yesterday. Although it's not a "must buy" volume, I did find a paragraph in the Hellcat article that made me think of many of our complaints about the "muck" on the Hellcat's windscreen. Here it is:
"Grumman and the Navy improved the Hellcat as the war progressed, in the much the way that any aircraft receives improvements over time. In the case of the Hellcat, however, there was little to improve and changes were minimal. At one juncture, an improved windshield resulted from US Navy complaints that dust was accumulating between the curved windshield and the bulletproof transparent plate. In what might have represented a bigger change to the Hellcat, consideration was given to fitting the aircraft with a bubble canopy, but the idea was rejected because it would have dramatically decreased the aircraft's production rate."

I wonder if Oleg and crew actually factored those complaints about dust into the product we have? (Not that I really mind it, myself). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The windshield in the game is the new, improved model with the armor glass as the front windscreen plate. The Corsair in the game, though, has the armor glass behind the windscreen, as do the razorbacks (Jugs).

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flyingbullseye
12-11-2004, 03:24 PM
Saw a Hellcat fly at Thunder over Michigan here in Detroit this last August. I watched it fly with an acquince friend of mine who flew the F6F in combat, he went from 83-20 in seconds. Seeing the cat fly it just looks like it means business.