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ojcar1971
05-22-2007, 12:02 PM
I have a Trust QZ 501 Predator and it works very well, but the trigger is falling apart and I have to substitute it. I haven't much money nor space, so a Hotas is out of question. I'm also from Spain, and CH products are not easily available. All I want is a not expensive joystick, with rudder, to play IL-2, Red Baron 3D and Thirdwire Series. I don't need Force Feedback. I have read very negative reviews about Logitech, so I don't want any of them

ojcar1971
05-22-2007, 12:02 PM
I have a Trust QZ 501 Predator and it works very well, but the trigger is falling apart and I have to substitute it. I haven't much money nor space, so a Hotas is out of question. I'm also from Spain, and CH products are not easily available. All I want is a not expensive joystick, with rudder, to play IL-2, Red Baron 3D and Thirdwire Series. I don't need Force Feedback. I have read very negative reviews about Logitech, so I don't want any of them

Divine-Wind
05-22-2007, 12:24 PM
If you can get your hands on an M$ FFB2 or Precision Pro, that's great. Otherwise, Saitek is what I'd go with. (Evo or Av8r look like pretty darn slick deals at the moment)

Xiolablu3
05-22-2007, 12:54 PM
If oyu have a gameport, or have the knowledge to buy an old SB Live'! and fit it, then get yourself a MS Force Feedback Pro off ebay for around £10.

Old SB Live! with gameport is around £3

You can switch off the sound functions on the card and just use the gameport.

DKoor
05-22-2007, 01:02 PM
I'd go for Saitek EVO....... IMO you can't go wrong with that one. It's a good stick overall, just make sure you setup it properly (if you intend to use thumbHAT switch). Otherwise if not, just plug it in and fire away!

Bearcat99
05-22-2007, 01:48 PM
Don't get a cheap joystick.. think inexpensive and shop around.. you might be surprised what you may find.. but don't think cheap.. you are ahead of the game already though since you are avoiding Logitech.

Altocirrus
05-22-2007, 02:07 PM
When I was looking for a cheap joystick a couple of years ago, I settled on the Saitek Cyborg Evo, and it's been faultless all this time. Nicely adjustable, plenty of buttons, well made. Offers everything a casual flier like me needs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Matt812931993
05-22-2007, 02:11 PM
I use the logitech attack three,its neither expensive nor cheap however,it does work very well.

ploughman
05-22-2007, 02:29 PM
Don't get Trust, they're pooh. I picked up a Saitek Rumbleforce 3-D (twist for the rudder) and it's great. Well made, and accurate. It's got a sprung self centering mechanism that gets a bit sticky but a touch of something like vaseline and it's slick as you want for a month. And only a bit more $$$s than the crappy Trust PoS.

Viper2005_
05-22-2007, 02:54 PM
There are good joysticks, and there are cheap joysticks, but there are no good cheap joysticks.

DKoor
05-22-2007, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altocirrus:
Saitek Cyborg Evo
faultless </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Pretty nice summarization.

Two years.
Of use and it's still like new (green & red dot over each other).
I had smaller prob with trigger micro-switch (some wire detached) but it was easily fixable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW I fly almost every day (when I say almost that means at least 5-6 days a week for a few missions at least), so that can give a new user pretty clean picture about durability of this stick.

I have X45 too (brand new - currently collecting dust) but I prefer EVO for some reason.

Henkie327
05-22-2007, 04:09 PM
sidewinder 3d pro.

This is simply the best most accurate cheap joystick you can find.

No potentiometers, it's all optical. So no spiking ever. Nothing in that pricerange can touch it for accuracy and reliability.

Stew278
05-22-2007, 04:39 PM
I had a Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox 2 Pro for awhile. I wasn't very impressed with it. The POV hat is way too small and I just didn't like the overall feel of it. After about 6 months I upgraded to a Saitek X52. I haven't owned either of the 2 Saiteks you mention here, but I'd say that after CH products, Saitek are the best available now. Thrustmasters just aren't as good as they used to be in my opinion.

mynameisroland
05-22-2007, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Altocirrus:
Saitek Cyborg Evo
faultless </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Pretty nice summarization.

Two years.
Of use and it's still like new (green & red dot over each other).
I had smaller prob with trigger micro-switch (some wire detached) but it was easily fixable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW I fly almost every day (when I say almost that means at least 5-6 days a week for a few missions at least), so that can give a new user pretty clean picture about durability of this stick.

I have X45 too (brand new - currently collecting dust) but I prefer EVO for some reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a Saitek Evo and CH Combat stick. I got the Evo 4 years ago and it has been a great stick, slightly worn after 4 years but all the buttons work and its still my primary stick. The little throttle is great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sjeler
05-22-2007, 06:04 PM
Just don't buy Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. It's ****.

MAX_theHitman
05-22-2007, 06:29 PM
Now I read the bad news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I bought a logitech attack-3 stick because it was the only cheap one available on the shelve, but so far I ainĀ“t complaining a bit. It is sturdy and handles quite well. When my game improves an have some extra $$$ IĀ“ll get me a better one. For now this will have to do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Pollack2006
05-22-2007, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MAX_theHitman:
Now I read the bad news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I bought a logitech attack-3 stick because it was the only cheap one available on the shelve, but so far I ainĀ“t complaining a bit. It is sturdy and handles quite well. When my game improves an have some extra $$$ IĀ“ll get me a better one. For now this will have to do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't worry about it. The bad rap Logitech gets is mainly due to their fragility. There's no question they feel very slick and smooth straight out of the box but depending on the amount of use (or abuse) they have a reputation of collapsing not long after purchase. Your mileage may vary but Logitech are not well known for their mileage.

ojcar1971
05-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Thank you very much to all! Now I'm the proud owner of a Saitek Cyborg Evo

grndragon57
05-24-2007, 03:49 PM
I've used a cyborg graphite for 4-5 years with no problems(it will be retired as soon as my X-52 arrives).Nothing fancy.Although discontinued I've seen new ones for less than $15US.

Beaufort-RAF
05-24-2007, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ojcar1971:
Thank you very much to all! Now I'm the proud owner of a Saitek Cyborg Evo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I moved from a Trust to an Evo as well.

The Evo is miles better of course but it was weird at first as it was far more sensitive and it took a while to adjust.