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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 02:48 PM
No, I do not want to start another trim foodfight, I am just curious.

I think that the load limits of a real aircraft would be broken by those pilots who use the trim too mutch to get an edge on maneouvrability, especially at high speeds.

I fly gliders, and in some of these you can move the trim as fast as in a Hotas, but if you fly on the yellow range of the speed indicator and you move the stick too much you will overstress the glider with posible fatal consequences.
In some gliders I only use the trim to control pitch from 80 to 180 km/h because pitch control is so sensitive that using the stick feels clumsy. But I am careful with trim control specially at high speed or I will get more G's than I and my glider can handle.

Maybe the problem in IL2 is the modeling of the aircraft integrity at high G maneouvers. Would like to know Olegs opinion about this. If this is really the problem then there is no need to change trim control; if you overtrim your fighter over its load limits you will break your fighter in pieces or at least damage it in some way. It will no matter what kind of control you have: hotas, macros or parkinson's, everybody will be on a more level ground.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 02:48 PM
No, I do not want to start another trim foodfight, I am just curious.

I think that the load limits of a real aircraft would be broken by those pilots who use the trim too mutch to get an edge on maneouvrability, especially at high speeds.

I fly gliders, and in some of these you can move the trim as fast as in a Hotas, but if you fly on the yellow range of the speed indicator and you move the stick too much you will overstress the glider with posible fatal consequences.
In some gliders I only use the trim to control pitch from 80 to 180 km/h because pitch control is so sensitive that using the stick feels clumsy. But I am careful with trim control specially at high speed or I will get more G's than I and my glider can handle.

Maybe the problem in IL2 is the modeling of the aircraft integrity at high G maneouvers. Would like to know Olegs opinion about this. If this is really the problem then there is no need to change trim control; if you overtrim your fighter over its load limits you will break your fighter in pieces or at least damage it in some way. It will no matter what kind of control you have: hotas, macros or parkinson's, everybody will be on a more level ground.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:06 PM
alfgonza wrote:
- No, I do not want to start another trim foodfight, I
- am just curious.
-
- I think that the load limits of a real aircraft
- would be broken by those pilots who use the trim too
- mutch to get an edge on maneouvrability, especially
- at high speeds.
-
- I fly gliders, and in some of these you can move the
- trim as fast as in a Hotas, but if you fly on the
- yellow range of the speed indicator and you move the
- stick too much you will overstress the glider with
- posible fatal consequences.
- In some gliders I only use the trim to control pitch
- from 80 to 180 km/h because pitch control is so
- sensitive that using the stick feels clumsy. But I
- am careful with trim control specially at high speed
- or I will get more G's than I and my glider can
- handle.
-
- Maybe the problem in IL2 is the modeling of the
- aircraft integrity at high G maneouvers. Would like
- to know Olegs opinion about this. If this is really
- the problem then there is no need to change trim
- control; if you overtrim your fighter over its load
- limits you will break your fighter in pieces or at
- least damage it in some way. It will no matter what
- kind of control you have: hotas, macros or
- parkinson's, everybody will be on a more level
- ground.
-
-

Finally someone gets it !!


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:17 PM
Just an example, at 10,3G a Mustang wing should break!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:19 PM
And I repeat, structural damages can happen in a matter of seconds in case of G overload.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:26 PM
Yep, that's missing! Redwulf__48 calculated some 20g in one case of "trim cheat"... That should break every wing in WW2.


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:34 PM
there were many cases of P-39's warping controll surfaces under relatively " nornal" conditions.



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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2002, 03:47 PM
Excellent idea! It should not be so hard to implement either!

regards, GurraZ

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:53 AM
agreed



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T_O_A_D
09-09-2003, 09:19 AM
I agree

It was brought up a long time ago but I don't remember what the Oleg answer if any was. The trim control we have now is crap compaired to the Original IL2. I would like to see this implemented aswell. There is no reason why our elevator trim has to be so fussy. Our rudder trim isn't and neither is alerion, as long as the aircraft has those two trims modeled on it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:13 AM
hmmmm is anyone else's trim really un-responsive? I posted about it but it seems I'm the only one. What I mean by this is I hold crtl and press up about 20 or more times before I even notice a change in trim. That how ever is much better than it used to where I simply had no trim at all. Please, if someone else has had this and overcome it I need help.

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