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jugent
11-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Why doesâ´nt any server set up the clash between the gigants.
I want to match RAF/USAF vs VVS. Unfortunatly my security doesnt allow me to set it up myself.

Xiolablu3
11-06-2005, 12:59 PM
You can fight LA7 vs just about any late war planes on lots of servers.

Just not US/UK VS VVS

Jaws2002
11-06-2005, 02:00 PM
Because La-7 is ghey and should only fly against ghey planes like I-185, Ki-84C,Yak-3P, Bf-109Z.

FinnBird
11-06-2005, 03:22 PM
Who decides, what's ok and what's not?

It's up to you, jugent, it's your sim.

Play what you like, fly what you like, don't listen to the whiners.

VW-IceFire
11-06-2005, 04:59 PM
Even a COOP setup to simulate or recreate the encounter between Kozhedub (I think it was him) and a flight of Mustangs in which he had to shoot them down or be shot down.

As I recall, he dispatched two fairly quickly...

Daiichidoku
11-06-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Even a COOP setup to simulate or recreate the encounter between Kozhedub (I think it was him) and a flight of Mustangs in which he had to shoot them down or be shot down.

As I recall, he dispatched two fairly quickly...


yes....

at an altutude far more suited to an La7

and likely the 51 pilots were joe nobodys from nebraska

and prob after coming QUITE a long distance, away, spendiing several hours in the air before the engagement

granted, they bounced him first...

but still, put it into perspective



and also what Jaws said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and la7, 51 and spit are gigants?
the Me 323 is more of a gigant than those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
11-06-2005, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Because La-7 is ghey and should only fly against ghey planes like I-185, Ki-84C,Yak-3P, Bf-109Z.

This just made me laugh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Personally i think the planeset your proposing is kinda bland and i wouldnt fly it myself, but most servers will allow you to fly La7's against P51's.

Frequent_Flyer
11-07-2005, 07:45 AM
There was also an incident, on a shuttle mission where P-38s of the 82nd accidentally attacked a red army column and killed a Soviet general. The Yaks that were assigned to protect the column attacked the Lightnings, three Yaks were shot down and one Lightning, all pilots were killed.

stathem
11-07-2005, 08:44 AM
greatergreen used to run a map based on early Korea, Spit HF, P-51Ds, F4U's vs Yak9u,La7, Il2.

This was back in 3.04 iirc, and was a lot of fun, although the lack of late 45 Western allied planes made it a little one sided.

I had one of my most memorable scraps on there, dicing with a Yak and a La. Think I got the La, got shot by the Yak.

Proper dogfight, neither side inclined to run away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BaronUnderpants
11-07-2005, 05:26 PM
Funny how people seem to bad mouth what they fear the most http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BaronUnderpants
11-07-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Even a COOP setup to simulate or recreate the encounter between Kozhedub (I think it was him) and a flight of Mustangs in which he had to shoot them down or be shot down.

As I recall, he dispatched two fairly quickly...


yes....

at an altutude far more suited to an La7

and likely the 51 pilots were joe nobodys from nebraska

and prob after coming QUITE a long distance, away, spendiing several hours in the air before the engagement

granted, they bounced him first...

but still, put it into perspective



and also what Jaws said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and la7, 51 and spit are gigants?
the Me 323 is more of a gigant than those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Put into perspective? Ok, the P-51 got the **** kicked out of them, no ifs or buts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

If the altitude suited the La7 better, the P-51 where to low, apparently http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If they where Joe Nebraska they had no place being there to begin with.

If they where sleepy.....take a nap, dont take a fighter into combat.

THEY bounced HIM, as in several vs one.....they must have done something very wrong, or maby they just flew a inferior plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

lrrp22
11-07-2005, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Even a COOP setup to simulate or recreate the encounter between Kozhedub (I think it was him) and a flight of Mustangs in which he had to shoot them down or be shot down.

As I recall, he dispatched two fairly quickly...


yes....

at an altutude far more suited to an La7

and likely the 51 pilots were joe nobodys from nebraska

and prob after coming QUITE a long distance, away, spendiing several hours in the air before the engagement

granted, they bounced him first...

but still, put it into perspective



and also what Jaws said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and la7, 51 and spit are gigants?
the Me 323 is more of a gigant than those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Put into perspective? Ok, the P-51 got the **** kicked out of them, no ifs or buts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

If the altitude suited the La7 better, the P-51 where to low, apparently http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If they where Joe Nebraska they had no place being there to begin with.

If they where sleepy.....take a nap, dont take a fighter into combat.

THEY bounced HIM, as in several vs one.....they must have done something very wrong, or maby they just flew a inferior plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


IIRC, there is much doubt that this Khozedub incident ever occurred...

.

BaronUnderpants
11-07-2005, 06:18 PM
I wouldnt know, where just in a flaming mood http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Think there is a few far beter suited canidates for the noobplanes hall of fame than the La7

My favorite ufo of all time is with out a doubt late 109`s...K4, G6AS for example. Slow speed handling and slow speed climb is redicolous and dont get me started on the 1 hit wonder, the 108....only plane to mach that besides Fw 190 is the Ki84c....but that is of course a noob plane to, we wouldnt want a plane that outmanouvers, outrun AND outguns the presious Bf and FW`s.

To be honest, flew Ki84c on AFJ reasently, and it felt........well, wrong to use the 2x30 mm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif to easy, same reason i only fly Fw with default wepons, 4x20 mm + 2x13 mm, i think. Plenty of fire power to get the job done.

Daiichidoku
11-07-2005, 06:56 PM
uhh Baron...

i DID mention THEY bounced him...plz dont say that like i missed it or something

im sure it could be the other side of the coin, if, say, it was two La7s flown by the Dumasakov brothers from *Irkurkst found themsleves over the Rhine at 20,000ft bouncing a Bud Anderson or somesuch



the 109s are way more managable now, with the BS prop pitch cheat/exploit now gone

totally agreee with ya on the ki84C tho...funny how many ppl you will see flying Franks when its the B offered, compared with how many when its the C...too bad, cuz the B is quite lethal as it is

VW-IceFire
11-07-2005, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Even a COOP setup to simulate or recreate the encounter between Kozhedub (I think it was him) and a flight of Mustangs in which he had to shoot them down or be shot down.

As I recall, he dispatched two fairly quickly...


yes....

at an altutude far more suited to an La7

and likely the 51 pilots were joe nobodys from nebraska

and prob after coming QUITE a long distance, away, spendiing several hours in the air before the engagement

granted, they bounced him first...

but still, put it into perspective



and also what Jaws said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and la7, 51 and spit are gigants?
the Me 323 is more of a gigant than those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I probably should have never mentioned it in the first place. My bad! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

alert_1
11-08-2005, 12:47 AM
This fairy tale about La7 vs. P51 looks more like a marketing effort by Joe Stalin...

BaronUnderpants
11-08-2005, 03:26 AM
Quote:
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i DID mention THEY bounced him...plz dont say that like i missed it or something
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End quote.

I know u did, my " I wouldnt know im in a flaming mood " reply refered to the bit about there being doubts about the event ever taking place. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Quote:
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totally agreee with ya on the ki84C tho...funny how many ppl you will see flying Franks when its the B offered, compared with how many when its the C...too bad, cuz the B is quite lethal as it is
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End quote.


Abselutly, Ki84b has plenty of armement and is a very good plane, one of the best, to bad it lights up so easiely, like all Jap. ac.

Looks to me like a lot of people/servers are using more and more early/middle war planesets. Seems like many are getting bored with latewar mastodont canon equiped uber gunships.

Even though i havent got anything against La7 as such it does get a bit boring meeting 4-6 at the time every time u take of, same as it gets a bit boring having your wing torn of from 1 singel snapshot hit from a 108.

BBloke
11-08-2005, 04:43 AM
What he said! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

But if they put it in the list then someone's gonna use the Ic. I've removed all of the above mention "none" uber planes that out class ET and there are more coming through the ranks. Especially those with very very limited traces. I185, I153P, La5.

Now the new patch is here there seems to be the "magically bullets" that dont hit but whip wings off; but everythings ok folks "its just a game".

Or, its not the plane its the pilot. So you're saying the pilot has an anti-gravity unit plumb into the fuselage and switch it on and off at will and defy the laws of physics!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I prefer 41-43 planeset and love the Hurri IIc. It seems a lot more steadier than the Vc(4)

Slickun
11-08-2005, 08:38 AM
On the subject of US vs VVS fights, Eric Hartmann recalled one he witnessed. It was in an issue of "WW2" magazine, and was billed as his last interview.


A bunch of P-51's and Soviet types got into it, with the US coming out on top. I've got the issue around somewhere.

Interesting also in the issue was Hartmann's statement that they knew the US Mustangs were better planes than the 109's they were going to face them with.

Hartmann used his tried and true tactics and downed several Mustangs. The unobserved bounce, practiced by the ultimate master, worked as well against US planes as anybody else, as we all should know.

However, the rest of Hartmann's comrades were worked over pretty roughly by the P-51's.

Also, Hartmann has stated several times that he was never shot down, never listed as a kill, never an iron cross painted on an opponent's plane representing a victory over him. In one of the go's he had with the Mustangs, he had two flights persuing him when he ran out of gas just short of his airfield and bailed out. I promise everyone reading this it went as a kill for someone, and rightfully so.

That said, Eric Hartmann was the Man.

Daiichidoku
11-08-2005, 08:53 AM
@Baron

ok, i didnt miss the bounce thing, but i missed the "you flame" thing..apologies

yeap, odd, with the ki84s having fuel tank protection just about as good as any western type, IRL, that they light up as easily as totally unprotected early war JP types

guess stigma plays a large part in DM/FMs..look no further than the P 38 compressing under any condition or altitude, given enuff speed, while 47s can dive to over 1000kph, even to low alts, and still retain excellent elevator authority

only the B1 rocket has a compress, aside from the 38, no other types in game will compress http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif