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gsosolid
08-27-2010, 07:56 PM
Okay so on these forums, I always hear people talking about how Altair, Ezio AND Desmond have Eagle vision and therefore there's a huge story behind that.

You know, they're chosen ones, or that must mean the whole lineage would have it, or does that mean Desmond's dad has it... Oh and a huge one... Subject 16 had it which means he must be Desmond's father because everyone from that lineage had it.

What I think many people are forgetting is, Desmond WASN'T BORN WITH IT. He got it through Bleeding effect! Ezio and Altair naturally had it! So in truth, no, not the whole lineage has it! Desmond didn't have it!

Oh and before you tell me, "Those who came before" made Desmond get it through this method as they knew he would use the animus whatever! NO. If they wanted they would have given it to him from birth.

Oh and let's not forget, this NOW OPENS UP A NEW THEORY (Well I think it's new).

SUBJECT 16 MAY HAVE ALSO GOT IT THROUGH BLEEDING EFFECT AS WE ALL KNOW HE DID SUFFER FROM BLEEDING EFFECT.

A possible argument to back up my theory is: Subject 16 was also a descendent of Ezio right? (If that's is wrong, the whole ARGUEMENT, not the whole theory, goes bang). And he was crazy about Italy, so maybe he got it from being too long in Ezio's memories? I for some reason can't word this point (maybe it's because its 2:55 in the morning) as good as it should be, but I hope you understand what I'm saying.. (Subject 16 got Eagle vision through Ezio http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

Thank you, rant, argument, and point, over.

EmperorxZurg
08-27-2010, 08:03 PM
you could have just posted it in the thread but okay...

this was already discussed though. It took some time and influence from the bleeding effect to gain it because after SO many generations of people who didn't have it muddling with those who did, the gene pool got more varied and that trait became more dormant. Like someone could be a carrier of a cancer and not have it. So he still had the Eagle Vision, it just wasn't awakened until some bleeding effect from someone closer to having it pure awakened the trait basically

gsosolid
08-27-2010, 08:12 PM
And I've just read another thread which gave a few arguments which would give another look on why Desmond did get the Eagle vision, the arguments are:

1) He had it, but he just didn't know how to use it
2) It was dormant
3) His distancing from the assassins made him forget etc.

But that's just a load of... not the truth.

If you remember, he was in training to be an assassin and THEN left.
Now, if you're argument is, he was distancing himself from the assassins, then you're also wrong. Because he was in training at a young age, and therefore he would have discovered this "hidden" talent of his THEN.

But he didn't? NOW, if you go further and say, he had it, but then lost the power DUE to the distancing, OR he forgot it, once he "learned" it again, it wouldn't be so shocking as it was to him at the end of AC1. It would kind of be like... "Wait, I remember this". But it was just purely "Wtf?" And he would, when he was Altair, be like "This is familiar?" But he wasn't?

So all 3 counter-arguements, kind of countered http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Account_Deleted
08-27-2010, 08:16 PM
well, if subject 16 was desmond dad he must of knocked someone up at the age of 12 or so
since the voice of subject 16 seems around the age of desmond


also
Daniel Cross, had the bleeding affect with the absent of an animus or being told
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Daniel_Cross

EmperorxZurg
08-27-2010, 08:18 PM
uhhh actually...mine wasn't even about that... training can't awaken a genetic trait so he would have never had it then. The Bleeding effect almost merges DNA and awakens (this is the fiction in this sci-fi) the ancestors DNA where the trait is wide awake and not muddled with by other DNA that do not have it. With this trait awakened, it awoke the dormant DNA inside Desmond. again, like a cancer carrier that doesn't have cancer. It's there, it just needs to be awoken. This is what the bleeding effect can cause.

gsosolid
08-27-2010, 08:24 PM
Yes sorry I just read that thread after I made this one.

That theory is more hard to argue against, but if you think about it... Most people would eventually have a sliight bit of that gene but just extremely recessive as the gene pool would have mixed a LOT by the time it was to Desmond's time. If you get what I'm saying?

So wouldn't that mean, LOADS of people will get Eagle vision through the animus if they use it? Because obviously there would be millions of decendents of Altair.
Now, if you think of it like this, that trait, skill, or power, didn't start of at Altair, but Adam and Eve, then wouldn't that skill/trait/power also be "dormant" in Altair as the gene pool would have ALREADY mixed so much by that time? But it wasn't, he was born with it. As was Ezio, which by then the gene pool would have mixed EVEN more, but he still had it.

Why was it not dormant then? You can't say it wasn't mixed enough at their time, because that's just a few 1000 years of mixing. And then all of a sudden it becomes too much to handle around 600 years later?

Caligula__
08-27-2010, 08:25 PM
it's like Skulduggery Pleasant says: "You can have magic and go your whole life without knowing it. It's quite funny actually"

gsosolid
08-27-2010, 08:26 PM
I didn't say Subject 16 was his dad, but it is actually a very common theory.

And Disturb, that first post wasn't a reply to you, it was just me backing up by first post. You posted whilst I was writing it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EmperorxZurg
08-27-2010, 08:27 PM
actually in family marriage was more common around that time so a lot of the genes stayed the same (the non mutated ones at least 0_0) so that's why Altair kept it. Ezio just kept his by the random chance of probability genes have. but by Desmond's time there were so many variables created in the gene pool that his went dormant. it's actually quite logical

EDIT: ah okay, it did seem a bit quick to write all that XD

gsosolid
08-27-2010, 08:31 PM
Yes but I'm sure Giovanni hinted that not only did Ezio have it, but so did he? I can't remember when, but I think it was when you talk to him from the prison cell window.

Caligula__
08-27-2010, 08:32 PM
he said: "Luke, use your secret ability you must"

EmperorxZurg
08-27-2010, 08:32 PM
either the probability went crazy (like the dice sometimes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) or he was in contact with something that was able to jog that DNA awake I guess

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 02:04 AM
giovani didn't have, we know from various dev diaries and articles, that ezio's father knows about this ability, yet doesn't know 'what' it is probably meaning that he himself doesn't have it, hence little succes, whereas ezio had a lot.

also we don't know if eagle vision is actually a sort of 'power' specific to that bloodline, or weather it is just some super mega kind of intuition ability, although that still wouldn't allow you to see blood and fingerprints.

since it is likely that it is some sort of power from TWCB, then that would mean that Desmond would have already had it, just dormant. this is because through animus you can only learn abilities that are physically possible, it wont creat new genes, such as an eagle vision gene. desmond was able to use it because he 'remembered' how to do it, and i dont mean that as in he used to be able to do it. i mean that in the terms of his bloodline, as the genes where diluted, and the world changed, his bloodline 'lost' the ability.

Also we don't know that subject 16 had it although it is quite possible as he lived as ezio and probably altair. but i strongly doubt that 16 is desmonds father as he sounds too young, he will be some relative though, as they share ancestors, desmond wouldn't know him though, its probable the only family he knew where his parents and he ran away from them.

We also don't know that the 'farm' which desmond was born into was an Assassin training camp (i mean as in assassin creed assassins) so thats no reason to suggest he would learn it there. if he knew about the ability and he concentrated on it im sure he would probably be able to use even if he hadn't entered the animus.

Caligula__
08-28-2010, 02:11 AM
u get it if ur half human and half Those Who Came Before

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 02:37 AM
well half and half isn't completely right, more like 0.00000001% TWCB
and the rest human, but that'll be how powerful the TWCB genes are that they can still show through after many many many ganerations, jus too many generations and inlucky probability in the case of desmond.

Caligula__
08-28-2010, 02:42 AM
*throws a shiny red ball onto the middle of a really busy road*

look a shiny red ball on the middle of the road!!!!!!

*watches mario chase it and then a car hits him*

*chuckles* it never fails http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 02:48 AM
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Caligula__
08-28-2010, 02:50 AM
have a few choc chip cyber cookies

*hands 5 choc chip cyber cookies to mario*

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 03:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif trying to reduce my number of cookies.

Caligula__
08-28-2010, 03:38 AM
kk *hands 10 cyber cookies to mario*

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 03:42 AM
*clears cache*

*gives mactavish the gift of a large horse*

Account_Deleted
08-28-2010, 03:45 AM
by gsoslid : Subject 16 had it which means he must be Desmond's father because everyone from that lineage had it.

you said


I didn't say Subject 16 was his dad, but it is actually a very common theory.

cases closed

Caligula__
08-28-2010, 03:48 AM
u forgot to bang the gavel

*bangs gavel*

magesupermaster
08-28-2010, 03:51 AM
I still stick with my theory; the Eagle Vision ability was dormant inside desmond.

When the Bleeding Effect occurred, the ability was "awakened".

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 03:51 AM
also

*lots of old men wearing wigs get up and start exclaming undisipherable words.*

itsamea-mario
08-28-2010, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
I still stick with my theory; the Eagle Vision ability was dormant inside desmond.

When the Bleeding Effect occurred, the ability was "awakened".

well that seems to be the most logical.

magesupermaster
08-28-2010, 03:54 AM
Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Caligula__
08-28-2010, 05:51 AM
I concur, but i like my way of expressing it:


Originally posted by Vx_McTavish_xV:
it's like Skulduggery Pleasant says: "You can have magic and go your whole life without knowing it. It's quite funny actually"

OMG! I haven't read Skulduggery Pleasant Mortal Coils all day!

gsosolid
08-29-2010, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Account_Deleted:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">by gsoslid : Subject 16 had it which means he must be Desmond's father because everyone from that lineage had it.

you said


I didn't say Subject 16 was his dad, but it is actually a very common theory.

cases closed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you being serious? That's out of context you fool.
Read it properly. I was stating some of the theories which people believe, and one of them is Subject 16 is Desmond's father. I actually don't believe that theory myself.

And that's coming from the best source possible... myself.

itsamea-mario
08-29-2010, 04:58 PM
oooh someones moody.
well you did contradict yourself, by saying he was his dad, in wat was clearly your opionion, then you said that you didn't say that.

now please dont throw a brick at me.

gsosolid
08-29-2010, 05:04 PM
LOL I'm not mardy I just found it stupid that he would try and quote myself out of context.


"Okay so on these forums, I always hear people talking about how Altair, Ezio AND Desmond have Eagle vision and therefore there's a huge story behind that.

You know, they're chosen ones, or that must mean the whole lineage would have it, or does that mean Desmond's dad has it... Oh and a huge one... Subject 16 had it which means he must be Desmond's father because everyone from that lineage had it."


I was mocking the people who said those rumours, I never said I myself believed them.

itsamea-mario
08-29-2010, 05:05 PM
well, we dont know if every descendant had it, although Lucy seems to know about it, so i suppose all we can do is guess.

gsosolid
08-29-2010, 05:13 PM
*Face palm*

BigredInfinity
09-16-2013, 09:17 AM
I slightly disagree on that, i highly doubt desmond can obtain genetical skills due to bleeding effect. yes he can learn physical skills through it, but you cant learn Genetics.

desmond is blood relative to Altair&Ezio so was subject 16, theres a reason not everyone can acces those Memories

The reason desmond got eagle vision in the end of AC1 was in my oppinion because, after using the skill while "becoming Altair" he didnt "learn" it he just unlocked something he had lying dormnant inside him already.

Azurefeatherfly
09-16-2013, 12:30 PM
Eagle Vision clearly explained: Start at 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46FRp7dIn80 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46FRp7dIn80)

roostersrule2
09-16-2013, 12:42 PM
Haha the bots are getting smarter.